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kshareef
1/15/2012 20:47 EST

Can anyone tell me how Brazil receives African Americans, who want to live in Brazil. I went to Salvador Brazil. I did not see any African Americans there.

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exnyer
1/24/2012 08:35 EST

Brasil is a mixed society. European, African, Native Indians, Japanese decent, German, etc. Racism is a Anglo thing, it really doesn't play here. Class and connections are what matters in Brasil. Be friendly always, generous-when possible and always remember, the people of Brasil have been waiting for a very long time for the prosperity they deserve.

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Doondi69
1/24/2012 10:47 EST

There is a concept that in Brazil everyone is treated equal....
I've been going there for the last 5 years and brother let me tell you that it's not true.

to belabour the point. Blacks there have been locked out of the financial market.
As evidence by answering the following.
What portion of land under black ownership
What portion of private companies are under black management
what is the distribution of directorships/ P&L responsibility of public companies are under black management
What portion of government offices/budgets are under black management

Once you look at these numbers you’ll see that Brazil is no paradise for blacks AT ALL.
They have been effectively locked out and most of Brazil likes it that way..
What will get you around their racism is your Americanism.....but only so far.
It took me four months in Fortaleza to find any blacks presences of note.....

I plan to move to Brazil and start business to help lift those people out of their squalor.
When they like you they don’t hold back….
When they don’t like you they don’t hold back…..

Each time I go I get a new deeper appreciation of Dr. MLK.

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kshareef
1/24/2012 13:31 EST

WoW!!! That was a LOT to take in. I had no idea that Brazil was so racist!! Pres. Obama want to build a relationship with Brazil. This was the reason why I had an interest in moving there. I am a black female. Single. I may have to reconsider moving there. I was in Salvador this past August. Everyone that I asked told me that Brazil was not racist. I found that hard to believe, though. When I was in the mall, I was shoved by the lighter skinned Brazilians on several occasions. When I was in the high end restaurants of high end grocery stores, I received funny looks from the lighter skinned Brazilians. I thought that those were isolated incidents. But after reading your email, I do not think so. Also, it's weird that only one person responded to this topic. Thanks for responding and PLEASE keep in touch with me. Thanks

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Marlington
1/25/2012 15:22 EST

Hi, I am afraid that everything said on that reply is true. Unfortunately, Brazil is a country with one of the largest afro populations in the world outside Africa but whites rule at all levels. I think it would be wise for you to reconsider your plans. Maybe because you are an American impact may not be as bad in terms of receptivity, but, yes, it will not be easy. Today, there is a piece of news on the press saying that Brazilian TV is getting 'whiter and whiter'.
I am sorry to tell you this about the country we chose to live in 35 years ago but unfortunately it is absolutely true. People either do not see it or do not want to see it or simply see it and are not brave enough to acknowledge it. Also, the level of self-criticism Brazilians have is very low so they tend not to take in true facts and objectively analyse them. Complicated... Good luck, Margaret

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Doondi69
1/25/2012 15:26 EST

some how my RANT got cut off...

as with the USA there is a strong 50% of people who can't stand your swarthy face.
As with the USA there is a 25% of people who don't give a rip if you are from Mars as long as you can bring something to the table.
That something being relationships with powerful or useful people, votes or the capacity to generate money.
as with the many European countries in Brazil 25% are totally in love with your Americanism.

So to add to this I'd take this in documentary
www.pbs.org/wnet/black-in-latin-america/

Brazil is the place to be BUT go with intent...!!!
Do go there thinking that you are going to be welcomed without regard to ethnicity.

My plan is to try and get some business going and make sure that Afros are represented --- 2:1.

We can help our peeps there.

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kshareef
1/25/2012 15:45 EST

Thank you, Marlington.
Are there any protections under the law that protects darker skinned Brazilians from racism, like here in the U.S.? When I was in Salvador, I experienced what I though was ill treatments by a few whites, but did not realize that racism was so wide spread. I will re-consider. Maybe I will go to Africa, instead. Can you recommend an area of Brazil that is not as racist? Such as areas heavily populated with darker skinned Brazilians. That's on the coast. I do not speak Portuguese. I will be looking for a school that teaches Portuguese to Americans.

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Doondi69
1/25/2012 15:58 EST

as with the USA there is a strong 50% of people who can't stand your swarthy face.
As with the USA there is a 25% of people who don't give a rip if you are from Mars as long as you can bring something to the table.
That something being relationships with powerful or useful people, votes or the capacity to generate money.
as with the many European countries in Brazil 25% are totally in love with your Americanism.
 
So to add to this I'd take this in documentary
www.pbs.org/wnet/black-in-latin-america/

Brasil is the place to be Go!
but go with intent, plan and eyes open.

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kshareef
1/25/2012 23:00 EST

Thank you. I have a lot to think about. I definitely plan to be a contributor, wherever I decide to live. However, Brazil may not be a 1st choice anymore. Thanks for the link. I'm going to look at the video, now.

I will definitely keep in touch with you.

I live in Charlotte, N.C. Are you still living in Brazil?

Kim

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nickfla1980
1/26/2012 14:30 EST

First of all, racism is everywhere. Brazil compare to South Africa and The United States that also have a large black population is less racist. Second, racism isn't an Anglo thing. It also existed and still exist in Africa where tribes dislike/hate each other. Let's not forget, blacks in Africa in the past also sold their own people exchange for whatever they wanted. That is a fact if you read history. Third, I constantly read that the majority of the Brazilian people are black, what is nonsense. The Facts are, white brazilians since the first golden age of immigration became the largest group and still are the majority in Brazil (Immigrants from Roman language speaking nations in Europe, Gemanic/Anglo , Slavic, and minorties from Scandinavian countries and they arrived also in the North East of Brazil). Not my opinion, that is a fact. Secondly, the Brazilians (Brazilian is a nationality, not a race) from multi ethnic descendants are the second largest group in Brazil. What the Media from northern countries does not understand or isn't willing to understand is, that in fact not all mixes are between white and black. Fact is, majority of mix brazilians are between white and indigenous and white, second black mix with white, though it's growing, third and are minorities: White mix with Asian, Black mix with indigenous, indiginous mix with Asian and very small, black mix with asian. Asians are know for staying within theirn own, but the one that do mix with other races, does exist, though very small ( 0.1%). the so called 100%Black brazilians (and they do not call themself Afro Brazilians, but Brasileiro/Brasileira) are around 7% and is shrinking because of mixing. Another fact is Brazilians that name them self MULATTO (term that most so called Afro American does not understand or simply ignore) are light skined, brown or have black skin but have features of the white race, for example blue eyes. You find many of them in the State of Maranhao. There is my father from who is a mix of a German/Norwegian mother and a Mulatto of black and Portuguese mixed father. Yes, Brazil is far more complex for foreigners who don't know it's history than the US or South Africa. People from the United States must understand that Brazil is not waiting for you, but if you qualify to stay (yes they have that right to decide who stays between their borders), you won't have any problems except if you have that idea that you're from the US and think you're some big shot there. Black, white (include the Arabs/lebanese christians and jews) Asian, indiginous and mixed Brazilians do not tolerate that kind of nonsense and aren't impressed. Brazil is changing and is open for foreigners, doesn't matter the religion and color. They have that reputation, for years, but it's been proven that majority doesn't like the trend that's blowing from the United States about the subject of dividing people with the so called Afro Brazillian title. Those are US NGO'S that started that nonsense, pushed behind the scenes for the same jokes they invented in the US and where people can see the result, what is a disaster. Good news is, people in Brazil are aware and do what must be done. final, black Brazilians or Brazilians with black ancestors are much closer to their african roots (religion and music) than the so called African American that knows NOTHING about those cultures, thus if you go to State of Bahia and only believe, pure on the base of being black, you got it all wrong. If you go there with a very openmind and improve your life and community, you will be welcomed very warmly by the majority, no matter the color.

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ParaibaDouglas
1/27/2012 10:32 EST

A repost from Economic topic: Race in Brazil : http://www.economist.com/node/21543494/comments#comments Note the comments, one stating that Brazil is probably the least Racist nation of multicultural societies. In Portuguese pointing out that in Brazil it is less about "Race" than economic status: http://www.observadorpolitico.org.br/2012/01/a-participacao-do-negro-no-brasil/

The richest woman in the world is........black! Ask Oprah why? It is not about her skin color, but about her education and exposure to success minded people, and ultimately her ATTITUDE! In the end it is always about what we chose to believe, to be a victim or a warrior regardless of what is covering our skeleton. Get over it! Or not! So is it where you live that is important or what consciousness you carry with you wherever it is?

Additional thought: Race is like everything else a construct in the mind. The more one uses terms to separate themselves out, like African American or Asian American, White, Black, Yellow, Brown, Purple, Gay, Christian, Muslim, Jew, Rich, Poor, etc etc. etc. the more the mind focuses on the divide and brings it into it's reality. What if we got smart and stopped doing that? We are a human race and just like one can learn to judge by color one can learn to not even notice it. If one is to judge how about by character for starters? Or whether your hips are loose or not when you dance? (-:

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Doondi69
1/27/2012 15:03 EST

kshareef | ParaibaDouglas
Not to make this a tit for tat.
But Herems stopping Oprah from entering their store had less to do about her ATTITUDE and more to do with the size of her lips, the width of her nose, the size of her butt.
The same Oprah minus her normal makeup got barred from even entering (not even thrown out) because her skin colour.
Had she but had the majic formula .... (money + powerful relationships + votes) then she would have been let in the door.
The moment they did not recognize her as such a person, they treated her just as they do all other standard Blacks (not non-Blacks).
No fear of being shamed for discrimination.
So then same Oprah when not recognized as OPRAH gets a completely different treatment.  The same person and therefore same attitude.
 
This is the same as in Brazil.
 
So again the true measure of systemmic "equality" (Hermes is on the micro / cultural accepting all equally - or not) is better measured..
Racial Distribution of % of Land Owned
Racial Distribution of % Public Office/Budgets
Racial Distribution of % of Administrators and Directors / P&L
Racial Distribution of % of Business
Racial Distribution of % of Mayors/Judges etc..
Racial Distribution of % of Engineers
 
Sorry but that's the truth.
 
So the sooner you get in your mind the majic formula the better.
Put it together and then GO.....
 
I spent 4 months in Marahao and am planning to go back again to Natal....
Start a family there....
But don't allow yourself to believe that Brazil is a place where skin colour does not matter.
It does. Those who have had doors closed in their face simply because of their skin colour realize that it's not just in your mind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-a_-GGaq3w
and again... the PBS show Black In Latin America.
 
Get this into you!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUdCIfPEJdE&feature=related 
 
 
Brazil just recently has its FIRST black congress woman in 1997....think about that.
We have a Black president.....
But if you listen this twice you won't wnt to come back to the USA...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjxVeZnrsHc&feature=related
 
However...if you let this play TWICE you won't want to come back to the USA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peyigHoh3qk&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLF61553136B5B3B65
 
 
That is Brazil for Blacks... a great paradox! of passions, curses and potential.

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ProfBill
8/13/2012 23:31 EST

I got the strong impression that older Brazilians were, on average, more racist than younger Brazilians. The racism I observed in Brasil seem more focused on status and one's economic situation than on skin color.

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kshareef
8/14/2012 21:32 EST

ProfBill. Thanks for responding. I've heard many people say that your economic status is what yu are judged on and not your color. I want to move to Brazil, but do not know which state would be a good fit for me. I 'm single. Not rich, but will have a lump sum of money coming in soon. I want to live in a love rent area. But near the coast. Any suggestions?

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brotee
9/4/2012 08:55 EST

I'm Black British born of Caribbean parents. I visited Brazil in 2009. I literally tripped over two people sleeping under cardboard boxes in the streets of Rio. BOTH poor black teenagers. We got it hard there and we are mostly at the bottom of the pile. 'Try before you buy' by all means as no two experiences are the same. But the way I see it, Africa is the new land of opportunity. Most African economies are on the rise. I would recommend you visiting either Ghana, Gambia/Senegal, Equatorial Guinea, Botswana, Zambia, Namibia, South Africa, Kenya/Uganda, Angola. Not saying its paradise and the infrastructure needs to be built up (the Chinese have realised this and they are 'colonising' Africa in return for minerals). I have been to South Africa 3 times and it is time the Black diaspora started rediscovering Africa. I know a white woman from London who loves The Gambia so much she is about to relocate there this month to teach.

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treisand
9/4/2012 11:45 EST

LOL

Are you trying to say that Africa is better than Brazil??? Ok lets be serious... Brazil is not so developed as USA or Western Europe (No Country in Latin America is) but its FAR from being such messed up like Africa. And when i say FAR i mean REALLY FAR.

You can compare Brazil to Argentina, Uruguay, Mexico, Malaysia or Romania but you CAN'T compare Brazil to Africa.

Many people see Brazilian favelas and it gives them a wrong view of Brazil. Actually not all people that live in Favelas are POOR. Actually most part of them are NOT poor... The poorest Brazilians live in isolated parts of Amazon rain forest and desert countryside of Northeastern Brazil.

But even the poorest region in Brazil, Northeastern, have better social and economic indicators than South Africa, for example.

I won't even mention the employment generation.. Brazil generates about 2 million jobs per year and the average wages of those jobs are around 1,750.00 reais (US$ 860.00) while in Africa, average wage of the 3 million generated jobs in 2011 were about US$ 210.00.

The worst point about Brazil is violence but even Brazilian violence is "softer" than African. First because its decreasing (From 25 homicides per 100,000 inhabitants to 21 per 100,000) while African average are much higher and at the same time, African sources are NOT reliable. And second because if you don't get yourself lost in the middle of some slum AND don't get business with Brazilian drug dealers, the possibility for you to be murdered or robbed, drops VERY significantly.

So although i still think Brazil is not a great country live (Depending on the city of course), DON'T even try to compare it to Africa. The only thing alike to Africa Brazil has is some of the worst slums and some black people.

Economically there's no arguing. Brazilian economy is almost the same size of Africa's but Brazilian population is just 191 million people while African population is has surpassed 1 BILLION.

So let's be serious... Oh you've found some people living in streets? BIG DEAL! I saw people living in streets in New York City, Toronto and Paris... So?

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treisand
9/4/2012 11:57 EST

You're completely WRONG.

I'm BLACK brazilian and i can tell you: Brazil is RACIST? What PART of the Word is NOT? But if you ask me again, i'll certainly say: You can't compare Brazilian Racism to US or South African or even European Racism.

Brazil is NOT a racist country. And i MEAN IT. Its not. The point is that Brazil is SOCIALLY RACIST, lets say. If you're rich or upper class, doesn't matter your color. If you're poor, doesn't matter as well. You'll be treated like poor or rich. That is it.

First of all, you guys need to understand that Black Brazilians are not so expressive in numbers as international media wants to show. They're less than 7,5% of the Brazilian population.

Brazilian population by color:

47,3% white: 91,2 million people

43,1% mixed: 83,1 million people

7,3% black: 14,9 million people

2,1% yellow (Asians): 4,2 million people

0,3% native americans: 800 thousand people

So being this way, we can assume that you will NEVER see many black people because they're are not expressive in Brazilian demographics. What you'll find are mixed Brazilians.

Brazil was a slave-holding country. It's demographic and social map will show it. There is no big deal about it, just the point that the inheritance of the slave-holding Brazil still endures. But its changing, and that is what is important.

But compared to USA, Europe or South Africa Brazil is NOT

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skateboardstephen
9/18/2012 04:32 EST

he he lol kshareef how could you see an African American in Salvador?I'm a Black American and i am going to Salvador to marry my fiance who is a Black Brazilian women who looks no different from an African American women up until she opens her mouth lol.Are you trying to move to Salvador?I want to stay there i don't really have any intentions on coming back to the states.

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IndiraMunoz
9/28/2012 14:33 EST

I'm a afro latina and my family is all over Brazil. Its not a race thing, its a money thing. I've never experienced racism in any part of Brazil and thinks its mainly because of the company I keep when I'm there. I've lived in the U.S. my whole life and I've received shade from the african americans here then anywhere I've ever been

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duparc
11/16/2012 21:28 EST

dumb ass. Africa is a continent. just look up the gdp/capita of countries of africa, you will be surprised to see that many countries in africa are ahead those countries u named. jsut like you said Many people see Brazilian favelas and it gives them a wrong view of Brazil. same thing applies with africa. people have a very wrong view of africa, yes some oart are messed up ( 99% the east and central part) but other parts of africa are great. i visited some small countries in africa where people live well, with nice houses and low unemployment rate, but those places will never be on tv, irecently visited, gabon, angola, ghana, and i lived in this city called abidjan plateau, just google it ,and you will see how it looks like. of course brazi is getting there, and better than most countries in africa, but some african countries are getting there as well but more slowly. do not be fooled by the media. you will be really shocked if you visit the west , north and south parts of africa. it has nothing to do with what you see on tv. there is a reason why there millio s of chinese people in those spot.

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kshareef
11/16/2012 23:02 EST

No sure if you are calling me a dumb ass, but just in case... Dumb Ass?!!!! WoW!!! For your information, Black people living in American refer to themselves as "African" American... My question had NOTHING to do with AFRICA!!!! So who is the dumb ass. YOU ARE!!! So if you were calling me a DUMB ASS, YOU need to learn how to read and COMPREHEND what you are reading. Your reply to my post has NOTHING to do with my question... Reading is fundamental... Dummy!!!!

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vidapreto
6/8/2013 20:43 EST

You can't compare apples to oranges or in this case white to black. From the white supremacist, master race culture of the US, a drop of African blood makes you impure, soiled and savage- aka Black. In Brasil, the ideal social class to be in is the lightest skin color or white and so the more drops of whiteness that you have give you a better opportunity to move up and have a higher station in life.
In other words, your numbers are wrong. There are over 98 million Black folks representing over 54% of the population.

What I know and consider to be white people here in the US are not the same as what people consider to be white in Latin America. The Spanish and Portuguese had been interacting with Black Africans for hundreds of years and so there was more of an acceptance to have Africans exist in and interact with and even contribute to the general society and culture - slave and freed man alike.
The white people that infected north america were of a different, more sinister type of humanity. They saw all beings not white as being savages, uncivilized, animal like creatures. In the colonies of North America, Africans were treated with the highest most unimaginable degree of cruelty, evil and hatred. Equally treated were the indigenous natives who were given gifts of small pox infected blankets and king james bibles.

Whites in the northern colonies of the americas stripped all dignity of manhood, erased all memory of culture, religion, family and civility from each African that was dragged off of slave ships. White people maintained control of their property using terror, extreme violence, rape and the total disregard for human decency. That deeply ingrained mentality and attitude still exists today and the black people whose ancestors were brought here as slaves, understand this reality and either just accept whatever the master government can give to them, or break free of those chains determined to earn a life of respect, decency and equality.

And so what about a Black president? Mexico had one 200 years ago. The road to the White House (which was built by slaves) has been a very violent and very costly one. To this day, 8000+ Black men are murdered every year in the US - no longer from the direct action of cowards wearing white pillowcases over their heads but with the saturation of US favelas with white powder and lead bullets.

And yes slavery was 'officially' abolished in the US was before it was in Brasil but slavery still exists in the US- there are over 2 million US citizens in prison today. Many of these people are earning pennies on the dollar doing manufacturing jobs for the prison industrial complex. The Black and Brown men on the streets of the US face discrimination, racial profiling and a glass ceiling that castrates them from being men and responsible fathers.

Now, I'm not saying slavery was a walk in the park for anybody but I have not seen any evidence of extreme horrors existing in Brasilian slave history. It is documented history that Africans fought freely alongside of Portuguese soldiers in the 15th century in defense of this new land that became Brasil. Even slaves had access to culture and justice. Africans were allowed to keep their African heritage and family units.

I understand that Brasil's Black and Brown people also have a tough go at life these days but they have an advantage. There are over 100 million of them and so they have within their numbers the power to change the conditions of their existence- by vote of by force. They don't have 5 year old children calling them nigger and spitting on them, they don't have to avoid driving through communities where it is ok to hang with a noose an effigy of your president from a tree in their front yard. Brasilians don't have thousands of (truly) white people stockpiling up weapons and survival gear in preparation for the day when they take their country back from the mongrels.

And so all of this to say that Brasil has an opportunity to change its course in wanting to be like the current models of 1st world civilized society and can embrace its wealth of natural resources and culture that every bit includes the Blackest samba dancer the Brownest remote Amazon villager. Brasil has a chance to be the world's true melting pot. and an economic super power - surpassing the hypocrisy of the US and the ineptness of the Chinese.

The US African Americans who are able to should invest in Brasil. They should invest in providing the tools to empower their extended family with self sufficiency, education and mobility. Brasilians must make the climb out of poverty and out of their marginal communities by their own bootstraps but we can show them the way.

We can break the cycle of the great white saviors with their bibles and blues eyes always coming to rescue what they see as poor helpless degenerate ghetto people from poverty.

So don't worry about racism, its nothing like what we have here in the US. But DO worry about corruption and thievery as the government and ruling class has for so long been trying to be something they are not, a 'white' North American, North and eastern europe society (which is full of corruption and theivery). Brasil is something better than that and it is time for every single person there recognize their uniqueness and to seize this golden opportunity of having the world stage the next 3 years to show the world what is truly Brasilian - ther world cup soccer team,the carnival, the samba and hip hop, the feijoada, the beautiful big butt women, the vast oil and natural gas supply, the labor force of 130 million people all wanting the same thing - to live peacefully with order and progress.

So to the US Blacks- get your head out your ass and go help Brasil if you are able to. To the Blacks and Browns of Brasil- look around you and realize there are no white people holding you back, everybody has an equal chance to live the Brasilian dream. All you have to do is help your neighbor get there to.

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zenobiaO
12/23/2013 17:32 EST

Hi, I really loved this great comment. Any suggestions on how U.S. blacks exactly can help Brazil. I have been wanting to move there for a while. What avenues to you recommend for a black American moving to Brazil to help the black community there?

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freddh
12/23/2013 19:10 EST

Wow!! I have to second zenobia0. An impressive post. Please keep me on this thread as I've the resources, knowledge and willingness, and energy to make a contribution. I'm looking for that one place where, perhaps, I can make a difference and be made to feel part of a great country.

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novelaprincess
1/19/2014 15:50 EST

Like you kshareef, I am a black American female who aspires to live in Brazil one day. When I would ask the question of how blacks are treated in Brazil of both white and black Brazilians, the answers were usually different. I haven't gone to visit yet, but I must. Till then, I try to educate myself with films like the one Doondi69 mentioned by Dr. Henry Louis Gates on this topic. Also, there's a great documentary filmmaker ,Joel Zito Araujo, who is a black Brazilian, who makes films on this issue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Zito_Araújo
His "Denying Brazil" on the history of black in brazilian soap operas (novelas) is excellent as is "Cinderellas, Wolves…"

As a filmmaker, I would love to go to Brazil and work in the film and TV industry, but as a poster had commented, this will likely be much more challenging to do there than here in the U.S. I still have hope of doing this because the reality is the entertainment industry is challenging to achieve success in worldwide.

Good luck to you and let me know what happens!

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BlackLotus
7/2/2014 12:46 EST

Brazil experiences racism because, simply, they do not like or perhaps they find disgusting those of African descent. And correction, racism in Africa is officially a product of colonization and imperialism. It would be wise for you to read history instead of telling others to do so. Truly read - I don't mean a blurb in some newspaper. Read history and you will find yourself quietly shamed. With regard to the mixing you described- that's all good and well but is reflective of a societal understanding that everyone wants to claim a non-African origin or relationship which is racist. Features mean nothing and is a ridiculous standard to determine heritage particularly in a country with massive mixing of human beings. Have you ever seen people from Africa for real?!?! Straight nose and silky hair with very brown skin not light skin but a rich and dark brown complexion. It's not good to be so superficial that you bend backward in order to not claim a race that enslavers or immigrant enslavers have brainwashed you to prefer. Really think about it fairly and attempt to see another side. My two cents ...or real.

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BlackLotus
7/2/2014 12:49 EST

This is true race is a mental construct. And for many in the States it is a difficult one to remove once placed.

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zenobiaO
8/27/2014 11:02 EST

You do believe that Africa is an entire continent right? You are comparing 1 country to an entire continent of countries.

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exnyer
9/9/2014 10:28 EST

It seems that no one has had a good experience here in Brasil. I LIVE here. I grew up in NYC and spent my middle adult years in Tennessee where I was subjected to DAILY RACISM. I say again, Racism is an Anglo thing It is NOT A NATURAL CONDITION. The hate sent towards me was based on my position on the job that until I TRANSFERRED in with seniority and a perfect record was held by only one other Black who was run off within a few months. I stood my ground and actively fought the bigotry which included threats on my life and the shooting of my car. The reason? Fear-Not of what I would do but of what I'd already accomplished. I don't think anyone responding here cares about my story but I put it here to illustrate my understanding of the difference. Here in Brasil where I've visited for 15 years and am now residing, has been fun relaxing and friendly to me. I caution you that if you look to come here without REALLY KNOWING YOUR SITUATION. You might confuse racism with competition. Learn the language, Have an independent source of income to carry you, Know someone here who can guide you. Lose the impulse to COMPARE USA to Brasil. Any angry advice will be from those who did not prepare. SMH

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exnyer
9/9/2014 10:37 EST

The African in Brasil is seen as a very powerful spiritual being. Mixed marriages are normal not just common. I understand that African Americans are CONDITIONED to believe we are "Unpretty", but here you have the opportunity to build your relationships on your personality. BTW to be truly successful in politics here the candidates always claim African decent.

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exnyer
9/9/2014 10:37 EST

The African in Brasil is seen as a very powerful spiritual being. Mixed marriages are normal not just common. I understand that African Americans are CONDITIONED to believe we are "Unpretty", but here you have the opportunity to build your relationships on your personality. BTW to be truly successful in politics here the candidates always claim African decent.

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exnyer
9/9/2014 10:40 EST

If you want to make a film about The real Brasil, I offer my home in the city of Senador Canedo Goiaas state as a base.

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exnyer
9/9/2014 10:55 EST

Just to follow up. Are you here yet? Hows it going?

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aaronbennis
9/17/2014 06:59 EST

Firstm you need to understand that you are the exception, to the norm of AA, to begin with. AAs do not travel to SA, as a rule. Most AAs travel to places like "no soul food, music or rhythm" Thailand & the Philippines (for some unfathomable reason). And to only to a limited number of locations in the Caribbean. However, there are many AAs in Brazil, but they are not concentrated in any particular location. Dao Paulo is where you'll most likely find "the AA brothers". My question is why not put effort into making some solid contacts among the AAs of Brazil. Their life circumstance (as blackman) is exactly the same as your's,anyway. So, why not get aquainted with "the brothers" from Brazil. They're a lot more African than most AAs in the US. Guaranteed.

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aaronbennis
9/17/2014 07:33 EST

I can guarantee you, with an absolute certainty, that even an "uneducated" black Brazilian woman has definitely got her act together, when it comes to the "stand-by-your-man" lifestyle. They are totally different from any of the highest educated black woman "sistas"from the US. Finding an Black Brazilian woman, who's "in-your-corner", is like striking gold. Don't screw it up, like we normally tend to do. Brazil is a totally different black world.

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aaronbennis
9/17/2014 07:41 EST

Why did you bother to even reply to such a negative reply? Why not try and put that "childish" reactionary tendency (that has done more to HURT black people, than HELP them) to rest. Time to grow-up, and learn to ignore the AHs of the world. They will always be among us. Ignore them , then put your energy into a replying to the more progressive members, on this forum. OK? Cheers, :-)

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aaronbennis
9/17/2014 07:47 EST

Again, the African community in Brazil really doesn't need your help, and it is very "white-boyishly" arrogant of you to presume they need you. Go to Brazil, with the humble attitude of the student. You'll be amazed @ how much you do NOT know, as an African from the USA.

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aaronbennis
9/19/2014 08:18 EST

Wrong! Racism is definitrly not an Anglo "thing". Racism among black Africans, in Africa, was in full bloom 4,000 years before the Anglos ever left their European cave dwellings. In fact, it is the racism (tribalism) among blacks today, is the root cause of all the chaos that prevails among blacks everywhere. The civil disobedience behavior reputation of blacks (even in the USA) has reached the point where every other ethnic group, including Hispanics, has begun to keep considable distance from black people. We are Africans. The world considers black people (collectively) to be the least productive people on the planet. Just the facts.

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Saracen1
10/20/2014 21:33 EST

I loved your article except when you grouped all American blacks in the same realm, assuming that they all know nothing about their african history. This is not true and I for one, pride myself on knowing my history and the history of blacks in the diaspora. I'm interested in the history of blacks in brazil, its differences and it's similarities.

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Saracen1
10/20/2014 21:43 EST

You're comparing a country to a continent! Brazil is a single country while Africa has over 56 different countries. This is not a good comparison.

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aaronbennis
10/27/2014 10:47 EST

Which post are you referring to?

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aaronbennis
10/27/2014 10:52 EST

I'll visit this forum on Mon., Wed., Fri. from now on.

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aaronbennis
10/27/2014 11:05 EST

Despite the fact that they may be viewed as a powerful "spiritual" force, the African Brazilians have absolutely no significant economic or political power.

Would anyone, on this forum, care to venture an honest guess, as to the reason why that is?

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aaronbennis
10/29/2014 11:25 EST

How could you possibly know there are no A-Americans there, since the population of Salvador is at least 70% African?

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marcdawg
11/1/2014 21:51 EST

I am not sure about lighter skin Brazilian looking at you differently. I lives in brazil for 10 years. There is racism for sure in Brazil but it is less if you have money or social rank.

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aaronbennis
11/4/2014 03:57 EST

In that regard, Brazil is not better, nor worse than any other country. The size of your bank account, determines the level of your social status, regardless of your skin color.

If you are poor, then it's better to be white-skinned, instead of black. That's just the reality of life, in the REAL world. End of story.

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tunjio
2/16/2015 00:59 EST

This is an old topic but people are still reading.. Cant say much about brazil, but its good to know in terms of racism, that there is everywhere on earth towards black african people especially..
Socio economic factors would be the real focus in modern well informed society such as these days with social media to air the nature of everybody's lives.. racism still exist and reinforces socio- economic disadvantage for black people... Even being rich doesnt make one safe from a racist who simply chooses to decide on skin color..

I lived in Africa, and i mean black africa / west africa with no white rule.. White people there are rare and there on business or married to a black african.. The black people there actually give preferential treatment to whites, as a socio economic bias and also as a fancy for the novelty of a rarity...
It would almost seem that the balck people there prefer the white people there, but its hard to call racism because its actually the balck people giving it over to the whites and also under no real oppression from the whites.. So mostly a socio economic thing.. I am a product of a white american mother who married my black west african father.. He took us to live in Africa for far too long, in my view.
Now they have chinese , middle easterns and Indians from India working in black Africa, in top positions of course, and the stories of the chinese and middle Easterners physically abusing their african citizen employees.. One Indian company is reported, has seperate toilets for the african employees in africa and separate toilets for their Indian employees in africa.. Maybe they claim religious merit for it as it falls under the whole hindu caste system mentallity. RACISM.
Yes africans in Africa- in their own countries being treated like this by other races coming to work there in favorable positions.. And these other races are an extreme minority..
Many White majority racist countries usually like to attribute it all to a misperceived bias due to white majority.. But these cases in africa show that it is not a majority influence mispercieved bias, but a serious issue all around the world with racism at the heart of the racist, rather than a mirage caused by their majority status.. Go figure though that where they have majority status, it was garnered through savage decimation of the people they replaced and oppress.. Nothing defacto about their majority position, it was mauraded into that position..
And even when there is racism, it is for the purpose of competition and that is for gain of position and power which all translates to Economic status in the so called democratic world...
Its all connected... Racism in Brazil cant be that bad because the ultimate measure of interacial tolerance is people physically eloping and having children that bridge the gap between the races. Hence the large percentage of mixed population there.....

Many places in the US with large black populations and large white populations, but still a very well pronounced white side of town and black side of town with little mixing in between.. Even towns in america that have all residents there including town officials and authorities, colludeing to keep all black people from moving in, stopping by to stay in a motel, or eat or anything.. I have been through a few of those and thats just in Tennessee.. I found out the hard way its not the same for a black person to ride a bike cross country for travel adventure.. There are still more than a few states with many such towns..

I know of no town in Central or south america that would chase me out for being black or Moreno as they often called me .. I have been to 17 countries and includes every country in central america and two in south america..
The only place i ever got chased out of, two towns for passing through while being black, was in Tennessee USA, and even the sheriff was involved even though he was more proffesional or kinder about it,(Probably because i showed my military ID and he feared a federal case if i showed up damaged or had to go to court for frauduaoent charges) he just insisted i not stop over because he didnt want trouble with me being overun and lynched by the towns people... That was in 1997.. Still many of those towns continue like that today... Morgan freeman did a docufilm on HBO about a town like that in Mississippi or georgia, this past decade..
If you worry about Racism, get out of USA. Brazil cant be as bad...

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exnyer
2/18/2015 06:36 EST

For the love of GOD, please stop posting to this ancient question. The person who posted it has not followed up in FOREVER! By reopening this useless subject, we doom ourselves to a "Groundhog Day" scenario. Lets all just move on already!

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aaronbennis
2/18/2015 11:49 EST

Obviously, you, yourself haven't "moved on" already. If other posters want to dwell a particular topic that impacts with their particular sensibilities, then into infinity, let them do so, to their hearts content. I'm certain that "GOD" is not concerned about it, in the least bit. Cheers!

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exnyer
2/19/2015 09:29 EST

aaronbennis- It seems you believe I'm somehow "hooked" on this stupid non issue. Not so. I point out again that the author of this post has not checked in, in forever. If you really want to be useful, please tell me how to stop receiving update to this particular line of nonsense.

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DaphneyTennard
7/6/2015 19:14 EST

Coming from a black person,, we have become non-productive as a race. People to do not dislike us for so much of our color it is our attitude and laziness. It is hard to get us to see this, we have to work together and make it happen. We di dit in slavery and after slaver and we can do it now!

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DaphneyTennard
7/6/2015 19:24 EST

Hate too see what it is like if you strike the gold! First it was the light skinned black women then the white woman, Asia and Hispanic now you are back with the black Latino woman, what race of women will it be next,the black America men are never satisfied no matter what race you are with. Soon she will be a problem. Who's next!

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dannyofphilly
7/9/2015 03:10 EST

Jeeeeeeesus... do some people ever stop talking about their own skin color? It's like a mental disorder. If you spend this much time thinking about the color of your own skin... it's you that has the problem. Please don't move to Brazil. The USA has enough people who spend their entire day complaining about how people are being racists towards them. The USA is a lost cause because people love to blame everything on racism there. Don't bring that attitude to Brazil... just stay.... right where you are. People in the USA have been brainwashed to blame their entire lives on racism... even though they're killing each other in the streets and doing more damage to each other than anyone else.

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aaronbennis
7/16/2015 03:35 EST

Dannyofphilly - AMEN to that, bro. And the US "Sistas" are still scratching their "pointed-heads", trying to figure out why the "conscious brothers" are cutting them loss. I couldn't have written a better reply to that non-sensible post. Thanks for saving me the trouble. Cheers!

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aaronbennis
7/16/2015 04:11 EST

Baby Girl, the reality is that there is a severe genetic flaw that afflicts black people, on a global scale.

The Civil Rights Movement theme song "We Shall Overcome" had less to do with overcoming "the ways of the Klan", as much as it did (and still does in 2015) with the ways of "overcoming" ourselves. We blacks are the least productive, most "self-destructive" collective of people, on the entire planet.

We black people are "collectively" our own worse enemies, as the current events of continental, black-ruled Africa, historically & clearly portray. Blacks, in the Americas, are the same people.

It doesn't matter what our ancestors achieved, 4,000 years ago. The rest of the world is asking the collective of black people, "What have you "collectively" contributed or produced lately, to benefit the rest of the world?" Huh?

Women create, maintain and perpetuate the culture of a people. If the womenfolk are "out-to-lunch", then the menfolk are soon to follow.

Now, if wish to refute these facts, take a trip to East Jerusalem, where you can debate with the "Wailing Wall". Capiche?

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cjp724
9/14/2015 14:00 EST

I suggest watching this You Tube video with host Professor/Writer Henry Louis Gates. The question he asks is if Brazil is a racial paradise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh7c46U5hhY

It might not answer the question of how an African-American will be treated in Brazil, but will give you a good sense of the racial climate there.

When I lived in Brazil in the late 1960s, shortly after the Civil Rights Act passed in the U.S. I found it refreshing that no one batted an eye when a mixed-race couple walked by and there were families with members who had skin of ten different shades.

Salvador seems to have the most Afro-Brazilians and Gates found that it was almost like an African city.

But there is subtle racism. For example, when I lived in the northeast, two people of the same color might be called "black" or "moreno" (mixed race) based on their economic status. And Gates found that in popular culture, nearly every magazine cover has an image of a beautiful white or near-white woman.

Brazil never had formal segregation, but didn't have a civil rights movement, either. No one admits there is racial discrimination ---they says it's an economic problem or an education problem, or give other excuses. Gates thinks that the only way to elevate blacks in Brazil is to have an affirmative action program that will give more blacks the opportunity to become economically equal.

Due to recent events in the U.S. we well know that if we think 50 years after the Civil Rights Act that racism is gone, it certainly isn't. But in most places in Brazil, I think the situation is better than in the U.S. However, I would think most Afro-Brazilians think the situation is worse than most whites realize or want to admit.

Note that there are more blacks than whites in Brazil and it has the 2nd largest black population in the world, yet blacks are treated as 2nd-class citizens unless they have managed to transcend their racial identity through social status, fame or wealth.

I lived in a small town in Sergipe. I only heard of one instance of racism. One of my students who was dark-skinned, was interested in a light-skinned girl and she was reluctant to date him. He was one of my favorite students ---older than most because when he was high-school age there was no ginásio in the town. I invited him to be my partner at a São João quadrilha. Maybe seeing me (fair, blond) choose him as a partner changed her mind, but soon after, they started to namorar. I understand they were on-again, off-again for about 10 years. When I visited the town in 2011, they had been married for about 30.

I would think that especially in Salvador, an African-American would feel comfortable. But some of your acceptance will have something to do with your education and economic status. Also, the fact that you are an American will give you a bit of an advantage, too. (For example, I got away with things that Brazilian women would not, because I was from the U.S. and it was simply assumed I would do things differently.)

But still, the races are greatly mixed in Brazil and when Gates had DNA tests done on people who he interviewed, their skin colors often didn't predict how much African or European or Indigenous blood they had.

We know beauty is only skin deep, but apparently so is race.

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aaronbennis
9/15/2015 00:50 EST

Dear cjp724,

Your reply is absolutely the best, most factual explanatory reply to the original 2012 question.

Thank you for finally giving us ALL, the clarity that the original question begged for, to begin with.

Sincerely, best regards, Cheers!

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sohelsaheen
9/19/2015 08:26 EST

Hello to all,
I am not African American , I am also not European. But I was in Brazil and was living there for a time being. I can speak Brazilian language . To me Brazil is a miserable RACIST country. They discriminate people in each and every angle like color, economical status, religion etc etc etc. The fact is Brazil was founded for the consumation of 21 families by the Portuguese King and nothing has changed since then. The country is based on DISCRIMINATION. The people are friendly but also stupid.It is very difficult to get anything from Brazil except some easy going women.They DISCRIMINATE the Black people miserably.I have had many Brazilian white friends and I used to be with them , speaking them with their language. I saw that they extremely DISLIKE the Black people . I guess nothing has changed yet.

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dannyofphilly
9/19/2015 11:24 EST

If your response is "Brazilians are the worst, they discriminate against everything." then the problem is not Brazilians, the problem is you. The great thing about Brazil is that most people have mixes of all skin colors in their family so most people are all just different shades of the same color. So Brazilians don't care about skin color that much. But the problem occurs when people like this original poster and the most recent commenter come to Brazil. Black people in the US are OBSESSED with their skin color. Any time something goes wrong, they call it racism. So someone like sohelsaheen thinks that everybody is racist and is talking about Portuguese Kings, which literally has nothing to do with modern day brazil. The only people who seem to have a problem in Brazil are people who have a very strong identity as "black" and every time something goes wrong, they blame the fact that they are black. My fiance is afro-brazilian from Sao Paulo and she does not have issues with discrimination and she also does not look for racism every time something doesn't go her way. The truth is that people who want to see racism will see racism EVERYWHERE they go, even if it doesn't exist. The original poster will definitely find racism in Brazil because black people from the US will invent racism everywhere. But for anybody else who reads this and does not create racism everywhere, they will probably find that Brazil is very accepting if you are a kind and intelligent person.

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dannyofphilly
9/19/2015 11:33 EST

please don't go to brazil. you sound like a terrible person who will make sure you feel discriminated against anywhere you go.

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dannyofphilly
9/19/2015 11:44 EST

@Doondi...
Hermes stopping Oprah from going into their store had less to do with the size of her lips and more to do with the fact that she arrived after the store was already closed. Idiot. You're a pathetic human being and apparently will look for ANY reason to call someone a racist or bring race into a situation.

"Oprah Winfrey didn't waste any time in the new season of her syndicated TV show to revisit her summer feud with luxury store Hermes.

Halfway through Monday's premiere of "The Oprah Winfrey Show," the talk-show host addressed the incident in June when she was turned away from Hermes' Paris boutique. Winfrey was denied entry after arriving at the posh store 15 minutes after closing time — even though others continued shopping inside."

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dannyofphilly
9/19/2015 11:44 EST

@Doondi...
Hermes stopping Oprah from going into their store had less to do with the size of her lips and more to do with the fact that she arrived after the store was already closed. Idiot. You're a pathetic human being and apparently will look for ANY reason to call someone a racist or bring race into a situation.

"Oprah Winfrey didn't waste any time in the new season of her syndicated TV show to revisit her summer feud with luxury store Hermes.

Halfway through Monday's premiere of "The Oprah Winfrey Show," the talk-show host addressed the incident in June when she was turned away from Hermes' Paris boutique. Winfrey was denied entry after arriving at the posh store 15 minutes after closing time — even though others continued shopping inside."

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dannyofphilly
9/19/2015 11:45 EST

@Doondi...
Hermes stopping Oprah from going into their store had less to do with the size of her lips and more to do with the fact that she arrived after the store was already closed. Idiot. You're a pathetic human being and apparently will look for ANY reason to call someone a racist or bring race into a situation.

"Oprah Winfrey didn't waste any time in the new season of her syndicated TV show to revisit her summer feud with luxury store Hermes.

Halfway through Monday's premiere of "The Oprah Winfrey Show," the talk-show host addressed the incident in June when she was turned away from Hermes' Paris boutique. Winfrey was denied entry after arriving at the posh store 15 minutes after closing time — even though others continued shopping inside."

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dannyofphilly
9/19/2015 11:49 EST

at Prof Bill... so if the "racism" is not focused on skin color, but on economic status... then it's not really "racism" is it? Grab a dictionary and use it.

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sohelsaheen
9/20/2015 07:27 EST

Dude...seems to me you are overjealousy for Brazil without having any sound knowledge about Brazil. It seems to us you are just there as there are huge Easy Going whores are there. Wake up!

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dannyofphilly
9/20/2015 07:49 EST

it shows that the only thing you think about for Brazil are "whores." you sound like a scumbag and a loser and a very simple and stupid human being.

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sohelsaheen
9/20/2015 08:22 EST

Dude, I perfectly understand who are ? Your level of education, cultural back ground. I met a lot of STUPID US guys like you in Brazil. Please donot teach me who are the Yankee dudes and what EXACTLY they are looking in Brazil. I have many US friends as well as African-American friends whom I met in Brazil. They used to express their desires to me . So PLEASE DONOT at least TRY to TEACH me about your desires in Brazil. May be you can try with the other people , not with me. Take care.

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dannyofphilly
9/20/2015 09:29 EST

maybe your mother is a whore and that's why you feel that way.

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dannyofphilly
9/20/2015 09:29 EST

maybe your mother is a whore and that's why you feel that way.

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aaronbennis
9/20/2015 09:31 EST

That type of reply was totally uncalled-for. sir. "danofphilly" your handle is, eh? Do you mean "Philly", as in PHILADELPHIA (the City of Brotherly Love)? Huh?

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dannyofphilly
9/20/2015 09:41 EST

nah. one does not get to tell me I'm ignorant and that I only go to Brazil for easy whores and then get to hide behind a veil of "civil discussion." nah. you want to take the low road... I'll take it with you.

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aaronbennis
9/20/2015 09:57 EST

Looking @ your posting history, just for today, speaks volumes about your personhood, sir. If it is at all possible, strive tohave a happier, more substantial life than the one you are currently living. You do not have any enemies on this forum. So whats with all the hostility? Chill-out, dude :-)

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sohelsaheen
9/20/2015 10:33 EST

@dannophily...hehehe...pls donot waste time to know the mother of other guy , just invest your time to know about your mother. If she was good so nice to know it. But I am afraid you were grown up by some wrong person who was involved wrong doing. What I told about Brazil is 100% Correct. It was my personal experiences by living there , not as a tourist or bring a big money to catch the easy going women. I was living there and I have had pure Brazilian friends and most of them are white. Hope this is enough for you to know me.

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aaronbennis
9/20/2015 20:02 EST

Obviously you are a bonafide member of the Richard Forbrain Society from South Philly.. You have issues with EVERYBODY and EVERYTHING in life, even when being paid a compliment..
Do yourself a huge favor, for a change. GROW UP, for heaven sake. Later, chump!

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dannyofphilly
9/20/2015 20:05 EST

hey aaron... fvck off.

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aaronbennis
9/20/2015 20:11 EST

:-)

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fasubiaro
11/5/2015 18:41 EST

Hi, I live in US but I am Originally from Nigeria West Africa a Yoruba Descendant called ODUUDUWA, also have a Dual Citizenship and I am interested in Visiting Brazil Next Summer for about 3 Month hoping to find African Brazilian Woman for Marriage. Could You Advised me on the best place to Visit in Brazil in Order to Accomplished My Goals. Will be Greatly Appreciated. My mail Address fasub03@gmail.com.

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fasubiaro
11/5/2015 18:55 EST

Hi, I live in US but I am Originally from Nigeria West Africa a Yoruba Descendant called ODUUDUWA, also have a Dual Citizenship and I am interested in Visiting Brazil Next Summer for about 3 Month hoping to find African Brazilian Woman for Marriage. Could You Advised me on the best place to Visit in Brazil in Order to Accomplished My Goals. Will be Greatly Appreciated. My mail Address fasub03@gmail.com.

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aaronbennis
11/6/2015 08:02 EST

If you are a more "Americanized" Nigerian then consider Salvador, Brazil. However, if your basic mentality remains fundamentally Lagos "Nigerian", then Brazil is definitely not the place for you. You will not survive.

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chenierkmer
11/6/2015 12:40 EST

Come to Nairobi Kenya or Mombasa it's a blast no language barrier , the culture is like no other the banking transfers are easy from the US I'm African American
Chenierkmer@yahoo. Com

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choctaw1997
8/13/2016 23:38 EST

You probably just have a different idea of what constitutes what you wanted to see. People in Latin America are all shades of brown and most of the countries are "mestizo" cultures, a concept which African Americans simply can't wrap their heads around. America (meaning, what the world calls just the United States) simply has no concept of there being anything between black, which they call "African" American regardless of where the brown skin actually comes from, and white, and to most Americans you have to be ALL-white to be considered white anyway. I mean, I had an Irish/Eskimo father and a Choctaw Indian/French Polynesian mother and AmeriKKKa calls me "black." Or "African" American of which I am NEITHER.
That being said, I myself am wondering where in the world I can go where I can get and keep a job in my fields - Math, Physics, and/or law - getting it past the interview and keeping it past racist sabotage on the job, somewhere where "brown" Amerindians can get jobs in our fields with "only" a Master's and Law degree. I've started applying for PhD programs in Computational Physics but except for one in Sao Paolo and one in El Salvador the rest of them are in Europe and I know I'd be treated like dirt by the societies there (if not on-campus then in the cities by people there). I'm wondering how the BROWN Amerindians fare in terms of professional education-required jobs in South America. I came across this because in my google search I found that after hours I had to put in "Brasil" and pretty much look up information country by country. The long, tedious, hard way.
It bothered me to read that black Brasilians are being "thrown out at the interview" when I did manage to find articles on discrimination in the job market in Brasil - I'm wondering about BROWN people, though. I've noticed that for the most part, better than their US or KKKanadian counterparts, Latin Americans seem slightly more able to tell mestiza, brown, Amerindian, from "black."

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FloridaGuyinBrasil
8/14/2016 14:09 EST

That is pretty interesting




I am a US and Canadian citizen with a perm visa for Brasil.

My suggestion to you is to go to Canada.
BUT I see you are living there now ?
What is so terrible that you don't like about Canada ?

Canada is the kind of country that no body wants to bomb and nobody hates Canadians like they do Americans (US)

NO weekly mass shootings here. Canada has pretty strict and tight govt. A lot of things you can do by mail here in the US, you can't in Canada, you have to show up IN PERSON. That makes them a little more secure than the US.

Like I said, nobody HATES Canadians.

Their economy is pretty strong, never did really have a big recession like the US.

BIG negative is it can be COLD. Vancouver is the warmest year round but full of Asians. I've taken the subway there and was the only 'white' guy. Toronto looks like a really diverse city with a lot to do.

Take a look at Trip Advisor's guide to Toronto. 20+ pages of things to see and do?




The other place you'd probably fit in well in New Zealand, if you want to go that far.

They have Mauri (natives that probably look a lot like Polynesians) and are well respected there. NZers are friendly people

NZ is a little boring by my standards.

Australia is also another choice, huge country with freezing weather to the equator. Aussies can be a little racist so I don't know how they'd treat you. Some place I'd call totally redneck like Texas but I am sure big cities are not




I lived in Brasil off and on from 2001 to 2008 and those were the great days of when Brasil had a booming economy and everybody was really happy

Today Brasil is totally different, upside down government who forced out a democratically elected President who helped lift up huge portions of the lower class by offering them education and help up

The new Brasil is a total mess, right wing thieves took over and are selling off Brasil's resources and killing many govt programs to help the poor or anyone that needs a lift up.




The middle upper class acts very much like they do here in the US, feel the govt should NOT use taxes to help ALL people but sure like getting 'their dole and tax relief" but hate it when 'undeserving people' get a penny.

The Brasilian upper class looks down on the brown people and blacks. They are also the ones who are the most dishonest.

The finest people I met in 8 years were poor, high quality, trustworthy and just really good people




The economy is crashing and there are NO jobs anywhere

People are being robbed in mass on buses and on the streets

I would never dream of going back to Brasil to live while it is like this.

I've seen Brasil go from boom to bust in 15 years. The way it looked there in 2001 was that it would continue improving and really become a great place to be. That has NOT happened, it looks like a cycle of bust and boom.

I'm so glad I left and have no property there, I would have lost my ass




Good luck

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studio54
8/14/2016 14:14 EST

Well said:)

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FloridaGuyinBrasil
8/14/2016 14:57 EST

There must be some there.
I met a black girl from Atlanta who bought a small hotel there.
Don't know how you would seek them out except for this forum.
There are other Brasilian forums online like gringos.com , try there.............
You might also try OLINDA in Pernambuco state, sort of the Salvador of the north.

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studio54
8/14/2016 15:09 EST

Where are you based now Floridaguyinbrasil?

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dannyofphilly
8/14/2016 16:09 EST

FloridaGuyInBrazil. You are delusional. It's not the rich in Brazil that are out in the streets robbing people at gunpoint. It's not the employed who turn the favela into war zones and recruit preteens into a life of crime. Maybe you should reconsider spewing your propaganda. Maybe you're doing it for political purposes.. or maybe you're just ignorant to reality. Many of the poor turned on Dilma while she was still in office. They were in the streets trying to have her removed with everyone else. Maybe you're one of the few idiots on the planet that still haven't realized that communism and communist ideology doesn't work. Dilma and Lula "lifted millions out of poverty" by redefining what was considered poverty... not by doing any great economic miracle. They changed the standard and redefined "being out of poverty" as being a person making the equivalent of $97 USD per month. Does that sounf like being out of poverty to you? And, by the way, Dilma was impeached, per the constitution. Please educate yourself and stop spewing ridiculous propoganda. Everyone seems to know how socialism/communism ends except for you.

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dannyofphilly
8/14/2016 16:21 EST

Choctaw. You're an idiot. You will undoubtedly have problems anywhere on this earth that you go because you are delusional and you yourself appear to be a racist. "Knowing that you'll be treated like dirt anywhere in Europe and the USA?" You're definitely racist against whites, huh? That is certainly the karma for racist black/mixed people. They hate all the people in the lands that offer them the greatest opportunities. Good luck with that mental disorder. I doubt anyone is racist against you.... they just don't like you because you are so obviously racist.

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FloridaGuyinBrasil
8/14/2016 17:01 EST

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, right or wrong.
FYI- the new Dilma and Lula minimum salary is R$800
You haven't been there for a while I see
From what I see there are plenty others who ARE NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR OPINION

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dannyofphilly
8/14/2016 17:28 EST

Right. Because manipulating statistics, taking away low-paying jobs and sticking those workers on Bolsa Familia (to buy their votes), while simultaneously raising taxes on job creators is a sure-fire way to create economic success for the poor. Lol. /s. You're clearly an economic genius. Educate yourself or keep your propaganda to yourself. Incentivizing unemployment while further burdening revenue creation. Truly an incredible way to grow an economy.

Just kidding... it's the perfect way to Kickstart a massive recession. See one of those anywhere lately, skippy?

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FloridaGuyinBrasil
8/14/2016 18:04 EST

Hey, don't bother me again
I'm not interested in your ignorance

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dannyofphilly
8/14/2016 18:27 EST

If you had anything resembling any level of intelligence... you would just stop replying if you didn't want me to write back. Clearly you posses nothing that could confused with intelligence. When you don't have some pre-crafted propaganda message to spew you have nothing to say. Feel free to not reply.

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FloridaGuyinBrasil
8/14/2016 18:51 EST

YOU continue to prove my point, thanks

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FloridaGuyinBrasil
8/14/2016 18:54 EST

Back in central FL
You ?

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dannyofphilly
8/14/2016 20:06 EST

You continue to not be smart enough to figure things out. Kind of like your opinions regarding Brazil.

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studio54
8/20/2016 09:07 EST

Hiya FloridaGuyinBrasil,

I am based in London England, hoping to go back to Brazil but instead of Rio i am planning to go to Bahia.

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FloridaGuyinBrasil
8/20/2016 09:55 EST

Have fun but be careful
Brasil is becoming more violent, as if we need that !
I am going back to Recife in 2017 for a few months

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OnlyRodd
8/13/2017 03:21 EST

Good evening lady,
Show me one country without racist.
Like Thomas Sowell said is there no solution only trade off .
But you should visit a few time Brazil and other countries and get some information.
Then make an informed decision.

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OnlyRodd
8/13/2017 03:21 EST

Good evening lady,
Show me one country without racist.
Like Thomas Sowell said is there no solution only trade off .
But you should visit a few time Brazil and other countries and get some information.
Then make an informed decision.

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OutOfHereUSA
8/13/2017 05:33 EST

Sorry but I don't know much about how Brasilians will act towards a black American.
Brasil, the US and any country who received black slaves from Africa have the same racist mentality towards most blacks. Brasil has advanced way past the US because there is relatively little overt racism and anger towards blacks like in the US. It is reprsented mostly as social or class discrimination. Most blacks are on the bottom of the economy. I would say white Brasilians including Morenas don't have a problem with Mulatas or blacks, they just don't associate much with them much but I would say that they respect eachother.
Lula and Rousef did a lot to help the lower classes rise up into the middle class.
IF you experience an upper class Brasilian looking down on your or just making you feel like you don't exist, it doesn't necessarily have a thing to do with racism, it's total arrogance from egomaniacs who think they are better than you. As a white 60'ish white American I experienced this on a daily basis in my own apartment building in an upper class area in the nordeste. Because they had a business or good jobs by BR standards, they thought they were the greatest thing since sliced bread, while I was making $15,000 a month but didn't flaunt it.
Some of the FINEST people I met in Brasil were relatively poor. One of the porteiros at my building was one of the finest human beings I've ever known.
Those upper class real estate owners I've encountered in the north and south were the biggest liars, crooks and thieves I ever met in 8 years there.

You should check out a series of videos a Dr Henry Louis Gates of the US has made some interesting studies on blacks in Brasil, you might take a look at his documentaries and others too. Lots of good info on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh7c46U5hhY&list=PLwbQCdHvOOGHBDtDiezFvXzUkJgEWFO8Z

I think Brasil is a more advanced melting pot than the US as far as blacks go. Having enforced laws against using racist names towards blacks shows they have made more progress. You can go to jail for calling a black person the 'N' word.

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OnlyRodd
8/15/2017 20:52 EST

Thank for the information.

I wish to visit and then move to Brazil.
Any information I can get it wonderful.

I wish to find a quiet, safe and not too expensive place.
Not too far from the beach,
I wish to meet beautiful black Brazilian women.
But I need to leave the Matrix Babylon.

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triffic
10/9/2017 08:48 EST

why are you posting this in every country

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