Hello!
You should make an appointment with the Brazilian Consulate in your region and take a list of your queries. They will answer all your questions. That is what they are there for. Alternatively, send me a private message and I will give you the details a specialist English speaking lawyer in Brazil who can tell you exactly what your options are and how everything works. However, your first stop should be the Brazilian Consulate.

Also, have a look at these links:

http://montreal.itamaraty.gov.br/en-us/permanent_visa_(viper).xml

http://www.brazilgovnews.gov.br/welcome-to-brazil/coming-to-brazil/what-you-need-to-know-to-visit-brazil

http://www.brasil.gov.br/economia-e-emprego/2015/12/concessao-de-visto-a-investidor-estrangeiro-tem-novas-regras (in Portuguese)


Please contact me if you need further information.

By the way, your wife will have to live in the UK for 3 years in order to get her British citizenship.

Good luck,

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Thanks for the response. It's nothing urgent, obviously. We're gonna be in the UK for a decent amount of time, but I wanted to know if I could do it all from London and then in five or so years' time go to Brazil. I'll check in with the Brazilian consulate for sure; I just wondered if anyone here had had first-hand experience of my situation.

I'm aware about the situation of my wife. The laws are incredibly difficult just to get her in to the UK, but that's for another time...

I'll send you a PM closer to the time. Cheers.

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Cant help you with anything to do with the UK, would think it's expensive to live there unless you have a great job or skills.
How was it you were illegal in BR ? Did the Federal Police figure that out ? Did you just overstay your tourist visa ? Believe you can do that and pay a fine. Not sure if that would affect your ability to get a perm visa. You'd have to ask the FP about that. Your wife can visit their website and see.
I am married to a Brasilian, we got married in Recife in 2005.
You can immediately apply for a perm visa and work visa in Brasil. The Federal Police have a new expedited visa process now, only takes a few months. You can get married in BR and then go to the FP and apply. Probably need to prove some long term relationship.
Only problem with the perm visa is that you cannot be OUT of BR for more than 2 years or it cancels itself. Think that once you have your perm visa for 5 years you can apply for citizenship. Again you have to state that you plan to live in Br long term.

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Dude I'm English. Even being English, bringing my wife over who isn't from the EU is a nightmare. I have to leave her here in NZ and go back to UK alone and get a job and stuff. Then she can come join me. Anyway...

It was ok except for the stigma and lying to my students to whom I was teaching English (privately). Never had any encounters with the police. When I left, the guy looked at my passport a while then stamped it and waved me through. Didn't even have to pay a fine or anything. Not sure what will happen when/if I return.

If I go back to Brazil it's for the long-term. I loved Rio and although I know I might look back on it with nostalgia, it is still a magical place.

My question though is I really want to know if I can do all that paperwork from the consulate in London. I don't want to have to fly over to Brazil as I don't have much money and when I go back to the UK I'm going to be studying.

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Believe if you are married to her for 2 years or more, then got divorced, you'd still be able to claim a perm visa in BR.
See FP or Consulate BR website
Brasil is a mess right now and not looking like it will get better for a couple years. Few jobs, high unemployment.
IF you have a retirement or social security it's a good cheap place to live right now.

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Haha I'm 30 with barely a cent to my name! People will always want to learn English, perhaps even more so, so they can leave Brazil and work in the first world. How's your Portuguese?

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If you want to live in Brasil I don't understand why you are going to the UK now, if it's because you need to make some money, ok. You won't be making much money in BR for years to come unless you have some in demand skill.
I believe your BR wife can get into the UK now without a visa. Guess I don't understand why you have to leave her in NZ. She is your wife. Once landed you both could start the process if you want to live there.
I'd hate to get my wife all settled into the UK to pick up and move to BR ?? OR is it just a dream to go back to BR at some later date ?
Maybe things were great there when you were there last time but BR is in chaos now, political and economically.
The only good thing is that rentals are cheaper now - R$2200 vs BR$1200 a month.
Been to RIO many times and love it but would NEVER live there, too dangerous, especially now with these political wars going on.
I guess the other questions is - WHY do you want to get out of NZ if things are working ok there ?
There should be answers to your questions on any BR embassy website or for that matter you can go to one in NZ, answers will be the same.

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Ok well everyone has their reasons for why they do things. Firstly, my girlfriend doesn’t want to go back to Brazil. Secondly, I want to study. So UK it is. Last time I taught English in Rio I was making $2500-$4000R a month which is easily enough to live on, even more with a second income (my gf). Well, she can’t lol. We need to get married and I either need to have $100,000 in savings or have a job in the UK. Tell me about it, it’s a load of rubbish but that’s the UK law. It’s put in place to stop all the poor immigrants bringing their families over, or something to that effect.

It’s a dream. I just want the freedom to do it. I probably won’t be doing it for another 5 or so years but I want to be able to do it. I loved it there and if it all goes to sh1t in UK I want to be able to jump on a plane and start again in Brazil. I know about the situation there now but honestly I don’t care. Brazil will always be beautiful. Just gotta be careful. Cheap rentals? Even better! Where did you stay when you went? South Zone (Zona Sul) is always pretty safe.

I don’t necessarily want to leave NZ but my visa here runs out in September next year and like I said I want to study and also I miss friends and family in UK. I might even go to one in NZ then. Thanks.

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IF you are like me, I get tired of being in one place after a year or so. I'm lucky I can go to BR, Canada or stay here in the US.
Maybe you can renew your NZ visa and stay there, go to school and keep making money - then take a vacation to the UK to get that out of your system.
I would think NZ is cheaper to live in than the UK. My wife and I were in NZ for 3 months vacation. From what I heard while there from many people, they prefer to move to AUS, they can double their salary and have a better life.
Maybe going to AUS vs the UK then to BR would be a better option.
Brasil will wait on you, the longer you wait, the better it would be.
You must have been in BR in the early 2000's (I got there in 2001) because that is when BR was hot. NOT any more. I got offered R$16 an hour, best I could find. There are English schools on every block, it's way over saturated.
When I went to Brasil it was in 1980 the first time, on a container ship. Didn't get till 2001. Started in RIO, SP then ended up in the south - Camboriu SC for 4 years. Then drove up the BR-101 all the way to Paraiba in the NE. Lived there and in Recife till 2008 when I came back to the US. Been back once in 2015 for 6 months. Going back next year.
IF I was to live there again, it would have to be in the south from Camboriu to Porto Alegre. Lot cleaner, safer, has seasons and a real winter. Hate the heat in the north.

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That’s true but I’ve been on the road since 2011 and want a bit of routine. I looked in to studying here in NZ and it’s $33,000 a year as an international student. Ridiculous. I’ve worked in Australia for 2 years and what you say is true. The wage there is much better. I tried to get sponsored so I could stay and get residency but it didn’t happen. Same here, probably won’t happen in NZ. It’s expensive in NZ. You can save a bit but not as much as compared to Australia, I find.

It will wait for me but I don’t want it to become a distant memory. I was there 2011 for 3 months then 2013-2015. I taught privately. I lucked out with one student who I taught 4 hours a week for $70 an hour. She was a godsend. I bet you’ve had some amazing times. What did/do you do for work in Brazil? Fala fluente?

Rio does get disgustingly hot, especially around Dec-Feb but the winter is amazing. I hate the cold.

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Yeah, you were lucky to find that student. One time. Have a college prof friend from Canada lives near RIO, gets R$25-30hr, for a college prof !
Weather in BR is funny.
Summers in the north AND the south are brutally HOT, hot as any summer in S Florida. I sweat my ass off in SC in the summer. BUT, when winter comes it's cool and rainly in RIO and SP, and cooler yet as you work your way south.
Camboriu has about the same weax as where I am in central FL.
I've seen snow on the ground in RS, Porto Alegre area.
The interior winter weax is much colder, I'm talking about from Curitiba down to Argentina. Curitiba normally gets snow at least once in the winter.
Other reasons to hate the north ; crime, 5pm sunsets EVERY DAY of the year, relenting heat, poor infrastructure.
Fortaleza is 10 degrees hotter than Paraiba. In the shade it feels like you are in front of an incinerator, unbearable.
I worked on ocean going container ships for 3-4 months at a time and was off as long as the money lasted. Many years I only worked once a year. In 2001 the reai was 5 to 1 and 'things' cost 30% of what they do now. Lived in a hotel 1 block from the beach in the south for R$50 a day, or US $10 a day - included a huge breakfast spread. Had 6 different cars while in Brasil. Those days are gone !

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