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mchrismsw
6/5/2017 19:35 EST

I am new here and Maybe I can get your two cents as I am in the midst of a major transition in my love and is excited and scared as hell!!

Background
52 years old this Jun 29th!
I am retiring on October with a small pension from my government job as a Child Abuse Investigator and Manager for Social Services in Alameda County in California.

I am single and no longer have any real ties to the San Jose Bay Area. All my family has passed away over the last 10 years.

I am Italian and Spanish, I speak a little Spanish but open to embrace the language of my host nation.

Masters Degree in Social work and besides social work, I have over 15 years of teaching experience and a local college.

I been planning my move to Latin America or the Caribbean for 17 years. In the mean time,
I have spent a lot of time in the Dominican Republic, Trinidad and Tobago, Columbia and some Asian countries like Philippines and Thailand. Lived short times in India and Singapore but my heart has always been over seas rather than staying in the USA.

The DR is in my top 3 so far but I wanted to give Brazil a chance. I been to Bahia only once about 10 years ago and loved the culture, how much slower it is compared to the USA. I also loved the colorful colonial style buildings and had a great experience with the locals.

Now I am 4 months away from early retirement so it's getting REAL!! LOL
I am looking for a place that has the following requirements:

Meduim sized city vs a capital city. I am tired of the crowds living in the Bay Area California.

Access to fresh and healthy food, a good gym, tropical weather. I have degenerate bone disease in my shoulders and the tropical weather really relieves arthritic pain for me and allows me to have little pain and still be active and workout.


Affordable housing. I have budgeted about 1500 USD per month for living expenses and about another 500 USD if I need to go over. Ultimately were and when I land safely, I have budgeted up to 275, 000 USD max for a house. I am not rich but just a poor civil servant LOL :)

Eventually I would like to add value to my host community. Maybe teach English part-time or start a small business or invest in some rental property for passive income. I spent my whole life as an educator and social worker so giving back and being a helper is important to me.


Women?
There's angels and crazy ones in every culture but what I love about Latin women in general is that the ones I have met ooz with sensuality, are uber affectionate and value men more than western woman in general. I am hopeless romantic so I would like to get married again one day.

Overall, I am simple man, easy to get along with and make friends, looking forward to and really enjoy and value a simple life (We in the west have gotten so far away from what really matters). And time to recover from a career of seeing some of the worst imaginable things happen to children,10 hrs a day everyday over my career. Any advice based on my criteria would be helpful. Blessings and thank you!

Michael
mchrismsw@gmail.com

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OutOfHereUSA
6/5/2017 21:50 EST

I've been to most of those places too and lived in Brasil for 8 years from 2001. Back then Brasil was wonderful.
Today Brasil sucks; crime continues, many people are unemployed, buses are being stopped and robbed often, you can't wear anything nice for fear of having it taken from you violently. I would not go back there till the politican climate settles down and the economy picks up. AND you will get tired of making that 10-20 hour flight from the states and paying $1200-1500 each time.
MY RECOMMENDATION - DR is ok but also dangerous. Columbia has come a long way and is very popular and safe now. Microsoft and other big US companies have moved there.
Costa Rica is pretty safe, you have to like the country because that is mostly what CR is, a big forest. Another pretty safe place that has all of what you like is PANAMA. Lots of expats there, pretty women, cheap SHORT flights from California, reasonable real estate.
Don't under estimate the easy short trip, it makes a big difference.
Have you considered Mexico ? I have never been there but I am sure there are plenty of safe and very nice areas, just search out where expats are.
How about Europe ? Portugal is the cheapest country in the EU right now. It's unbelievably beautiful like Italy or Greece.
Outside of Lisbon there are plenty of Americans and real estate is cheaper so are rents. Weather is moderate, not freezing or baking. Check facebook group "Americans living in Portugal".
IF YOU want useful info on various countries (BR, Portugal); real estate, rentals, cars etc - go to OLX.com.
You mention Asia. I spent a lot of time over there, lots of fun. I found their culture too different from mine for anything serious. Are you ok with your wife frying up some scorpions for dinner and worshipping BUDDA ?
Of all the places over there - JAPAN is #1 for me. ZERO crime, honorable people, very pretty and sensual women. Japan is spotlessly clean.
Look on this website, Escape Artist, etc.

Expats who go to Brasil typically run out of there in 1 to 3 years max. Just too much downside. NOT worth it. They tried like hell to clean it up for the Olympics but it didn't work. Brasil has such potential if they could fix the poverty, lack of jobs for the poor, corruption, etc to become 2nd world. NOT going to happen any time soon.

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pensadenos
6/6/2017 10:41 EST

Michael, my name is David Fuller and I live in Praia de Pipa, Brazil and have been here since July 2015. If you like we can take this off line and discuss some of the things that have helped me and discuss the bad and the good things about Brazil that may effect your decisions going forward. My email is pensadenos@yahoo.com.

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OnlyRodd
7/15/2017 04:10 EST

Good morning
Where did you live in Brazil ?
How much does cost for a condo ?

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OutOfHereUSA
7/15/2017 11:26 EST

Not sure who you are asking ?
I lived in the south of Brasil ; Balneario Camboriu SC for about 3 years (2002-2005) then decided to drive north and stop when I found a place I liked. Drove the coastal highway BR-101. Ended up in Joao Pessoa Paraiba. Nice quiet town then, still is. (2005-2008)
Today I however would NOT live in the north - too hot, too poor, too much crime.
I'd go back to the south from Curitiba to Porto Alegre, just about anywhere would be fine. Joinville to Navagantes is pretty dead and boring. GOOD -Florianopolis, Blumenau, Novo Trento, Garibaldi, Novo Petropolis, Porto Alegre - all good.
I love RIO but would never live there - way to dangerous.

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OnlyRodd
7/30/2017 23:19 EST

Thank

I wish to move in the next 2 or 3 year.
But I 'm not sure where to go.

I wish to find a place with those attribute:
-safe
-not expensive
-decent social life
-not too far from the beach
- possibility to start a business
- possibility to buy land or house or both at a decent or cheap price



Is there some web site to learn about the social life and the real estate ?
Do you have any tip before I move to Brazil ?


Those cities sound good.
Florianopolis, Blumenau, Novo Trento, Garibaldi, Novo Petropolis, Porto Alegre - all good.

Regard Rodd

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OutOfHereUSA
7/31/2017 00:30 EST

Maybe Brasil will be better in 3 years, no way to tell.
Otherwise I'd say do what a lot of Brasilians are doing ; move to Portugal. It's safe, cheap, cosmopolitian.
Try OLX.com.br or OLX.PT for real estate, rentals, cars and anything else used.
Biggest problems in both places, few jobs and lousy pay.
Check out the FB page for Americans Living Portugal, expat.com or INTERNATIONALLIVING.com

And ask yourself ; Do I want to be shot by some drug thug on a public bus or on the street ?
Forget wearing jewelry, watches, rings.
They just sent 10,000 cops/military into the slums of RIO to see if they can get a handle on the drug wars there. (Been trying for 20 years).

Only other suggestion I'd consider is Canada if you like civilized people and a safe environment.

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OnlyRodd
7/31/2017 01:20 EST

It possible to go outside Rio and big city.
And it possible to buy cheap.
Is there no paradise on earth.

Is there no solution only trade off.
Canada is golden Prison.
You are familiar with the rat race.
Thank!

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exnyer
7/31/2017 09:37 EST

I retired early to Brasil and like you I planned for it. Let me tell you the MUST HAVES to retire here successfully.
1-You will have to live in a gated community. Its expensive but you will not feel like a prisoner in your home.
2-Avoid living in Rio or Sao Paulo. Crime is huge in Rio and the police are no help. SP is better but not by much.
3-Bring your furniture with you. You can buy imported furniture here that you will find comfortable but, IT WILL COST YOU.

I should end with this. Brasil is not the place to retire to if, like me, you want a stress free lifestyle. Crime is rampant, the police apathetic and the government is a mess.

All of this is documented on YouTube and reliable news outlets.

FYI my wife is Brasilian and asked to move back to care for her parents.

As to the European Union, I found that because of the exchange rate, my money did not go as far but the quality of life was better.

You should consider that wherever you go, it would be a substantial investment to set up your life. If the DR is comfortable for you, go for it and visit Brasil. You can stay with us.

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exnyer
7/31/2017 09:37 EST

I retired early to Brasil and like you I planned for it. Let me tell you the MUST HAVES to retire here successfully.
1-You will have to live in a gated community. Its expensive but you will not feel like a prisoner in your home.
2-Avoid living in Rio or Sao Paulo. Crime is huge in Rio and the police are no help. SP is better but not by much.
3-Bring your furniture with you. You can buy imported furniture here that you will find comfortable but, IT WILL COST YOU.

I should end with this. Brasil is not the place to retire to if, like me, you want a stress free lifestyle. Crime is rampant, the police apathetic and the government is a mess.

All of this is documented on YouTube and reliable news outlets.

FYI my wife is Brasilian and asked to move back to care for her parents.

As to the European Union, I found that because of the exchange rate, my money did not go as far but the quality of life was better.

You should consider that wherever you go, it would be a substantial investment to set up your life. If the DR is comfortable for you, go for it and visit Brasil. You can stay with us.

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pensadenos
7/31/2017 12:06 EST

Rodd, I noticed that you gave a thumbs up to cities mostly in the south of Brazil. I have retired in Rio Grande do Norte located on the NE Coast of Brazil about a 1 hour drive south of Natal. Natal has an International Airport (although they service mostly flights from the EU), and Natal Metro area is just over 1.1 million people so finding things you need and medical care are close by, I live in a small village of Praia de Pipa with a population of about 12,000 and a tourist population of about 8,000 per day during high season. It is a tourist area with the beaches but he advantage is that it is very safe. I have lived in Sao Paulo for 5 years and traveled extensively throughout Brazil while employed with Wal-Mart, International from 1998 - 2004. I have owned a villa in Pipa since 2008 and we have lived full time in the villa since July 2015. I chose Pipa after doing extensive research on the computer and then flying in to Natal with my wife for week to meet with a Real Estate agent and look at various properties. Pipa came up after I arrived in Natal and after driving down and meeting with the contractor building the condo I live in, we decided on Pipa. At 3 am you can walk down the streets of Pipa without fear of assault and major crimes are rare here. If you like, you may contact me by email at pensadenos@yahoo.com and I can send you contact names, emails, and website addresses. Even if your not interested in the NE some of the information will be good for giving you ideas of what to look for on the web for other locations. You are going about it the correct way by doing your research and decision making 2 and 3 years out. I recently met and watched an American move here from the USA in November 2016 fail and then move back in March of 2017. It was very expensive for him and it came down to his failure to plan ahead, visit the locations for a longer period of time, and making the wrong decision once he arrived. The real estate agent I worked with is English and has been in country for over 20 years. He is very reputable and has dealings in several States and with houses from R$200k and up into the millions.

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