dwbo
7/1/2016 19:44 EST
Does anyone know what is required for a minor child leaving Chile with both parents? PDI has told me that we need the original birth certificate, a translated copy, and it must be "certified" by the Ministerio de Relaciones Exteriores in Santiago.
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liewald
7/2/2016 00:30 EST
Here you can find the requirements: http://www.minrel.gov.cl/prontus_minrel/site/artic/20080619/pags/20080619154040.php
But basically if traveling with both parents only a copy of the birth certificate that actually should have been presented when entering the country.
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dwbo
7/2/2016 11:09 EST
Thank you for your reply, and for this reference to the page on the MRE page. I would never have found it.
Even so, I don't understand what they are saying. There are no custody issues. Both parents are traveling with both minor sons.
We have original birth certificates, a translated, notarized copy of both. Plus the boys have cedulas showing Permanencia Definitiva.
PDI in Temuco called the PDI at the airport and they said the translated birth certificates have to be legalized or certified at Ministerio de Relaciones Exteriores in Santiago.
How would I have understood that from reading this website page?
Will they do it in one day if I make a quick trip to Santiago?
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liewald
7/2/2016 13:40 EST
I think the PDI person is mixing procedures, Yes a foreign document to be valid in Chile needs to be validated by the MRE in Santiago, but before that it needs to be validated by the MRE equivalent in the issuing country AND the Chilean consulate with jurisdiction over the issuing place, without that, the MRE here can't certify that it is valid.
As a note, one of my friends had to translate her birth certificate to get the visa and it was translated and certified for free, same day in Santiago. But this certificate was previously certified in the US as mentioned above.
I'm not a lawyer but I have a 6 years old that has been traveling with us to 4 or 5 countries and the 3 of us have different nationalities. Always travel with the birth certificate. I don't remember any migration police asking for it and for sure, no need for having it legalized.
If all 4 of you have Chilean residence, your information should be at PDI system from the time you registered your visas, so you should be fine. The civil registry also writes a note in their system with the name of both parents when issuing the ID card.
Here is another LINK http://www.bcn.cl/leyfacil/recurso/salida-de-menores-al-extranjero They are very clear, none of them mentions the need to legalize the birth certificate at the MRE.
Bottom line, my suggestions are: 1 If your documents were legalized in your country, and you want to make the trip to Santiago, it won't harm having that extra legalized copy. 2 Take with you a printout of both links and a copy of the Visa issuing letter for each kid, showing they are your dependants.
Finally, you could ask the same question in this other forum:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/thechileexperience
Best Walter
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dwbo
7/2/2016 14:12 EST
Thanks very much. I appreciate your thorough and very helpful response. I will follow your suggestions, especially about bringing a copy of the original documantation re: visa and permanent residence. We have been here 15 years and always carried their birth certificates and that with their cedulas has always been sufficient. Last year, on leaving, the PDI man at the airport became very severe with us, and told us we had to have birth certificates translated and certified or legalized. So in the US I had them translated and notarized. But I asked PDI here in Temuco and they were very unaware of such a rule until I insisted they call their colleagues at the airport, who told them the birth certificates have to be legalized at MRE. I agree with you that what we have should be sufficient. We are in their system. But the thought of being prohibited from leaving has unnerved me, and I just want to be absolutely sure. Again, thanks for your help, and I'll check out the other forum. I have an attorney here looking into it, too.
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CaptainJT
7/3/2016 08:35 EST
What Liewald is telling you is pretty much correct, except that I have found in my travels all over Chile is that very few people in the government know what is going on in their own country. For example, I drove to Arica and Iqueque, both in the "free zone", with no problems. On my first return to the "tax zone" I was stopped by customs so they could be sure I had the correct documents for my vehicle so I did not have to pay a tax. The agent was very nice and helpful. He checked my documents, the VIN on my van and stamped my paper so I could get past the guard. I later returned to Iquique with no problem. On my return, and going through customs again, The fat female agent told me the documents for my van were not correct. They were the same documents I had used before! A fat male agent jumped in to stress that my van was illegal to pass without my paying some tax. I repeatedly showed them the legal documents. Without even looking at the documents they repeatedly told me they were not legal. I finally got pissed and yelled at them to read the damn documents because they are legal! I then told them to check in their system and they would see that I had passed that very same location a few weeks earlier. They obviously did not like being yelled at, but, it worked. I think yelling worked because at that point they knew I was not going to put up with their stupid BS!. The fat male waddled with me to my van and asked me for my passport. I opened my glove box and gave it to him. He did a cursory "inspection" of my van. He told me to close the glove box. I refused. He at no time looked at the VIN to validate the van was the same one on the documents, as the previous agent had correctly done. We walked back to their booth. The fat woman agent handed me my documents, and, I'm not sure but I think she waddled to the toilet. When she returned she gave me the paper with the stamp so I could pass the gate guard. By the way, one hell of a crowd had built up and stood around watching the "fun" of the gringo kicking the asses of the stupid jerks of the Chilean government. One of them that spoke some English told me that! As I walked to my van to leave I got a standing applause by all of the poor Chileans who have to put up with the stupidity of their government. Before I came to Chile on line a guy told me that how government agents acted depended on if he/she had an argument with their spouse that morning; if they were in a bad mood there is nothing you can do to get them to do their jobs! I learned that lesson at the Registure Civil in Santiago when an agent made up a story only to try to confuse me. I went to another facility and learned what he had told me was ridiculous! But, I had already figured that out. What I have learned after traveling more than 12,000 kilometers all over Chile is if you cannot get something done at one government location try another one and you may fly through with no problems at all! That is only one of the many reasons I have decided not to move to Chile! If I wanted this kind of stupid government I would remain in the USA, the Union of Soviet America! I certainly wish you the best.
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