Welcome to the Colombia forum, Thinking.

Trying to gauge the important issues you raise, on a nationwide basis .. is probably a fruitless effort. City by city or departamento by departamento .. is probably smarter.

Trying to gauge the quality of food by knowing how often the locals get sick ..
is not within the competence of Gringos to evaluate.

Weather: avoid the lowland and coastal areas unless you like it hot and sticky. Here in Juan Valdez Coffee Country at 5,000 feet, it's about 80-82 F. daily (highs) except in the 70's on rainy/extra cloudy days and months.

Bogotá is so cool it's known in some other areas as "la nevera." High altitude there with corresponding low oxygen levels can be an issue for some. Traffic is another problem in Distrito Capital.

Air pollution in Bogotá and Medellín are problematic .. and you should probably determine this issue by a visit to these cities or wherever you might be headed in Colombia.

Judging how much corruption there might be in DIAN, the customs agency, is also something Gringos don't know. They may think DIAN's charges are too high .. procedures are daunting .. or processing takes too long. But they don't know the corruption level unless they personally and successfully bribed someone or made a payoff -- which they wouldn't be discussing on this forum.

If in doubt... toss, sell, give away everything you can and come down here starting fresh with just a few suitcases.

Most important of all: don't even think about buying a farm in Colombia at this time. Right now is the rocky start of the peace-implementation process.

Also, the farming-in-Colombia learning curve is too steep for newcomer Gringos, unless you have money to burn.

In South America -- outside of Venezuela or Brazil -- it's doubtful you could find a worse country at this time to buy and try to run a "remote" farm.

Security issues alone .. rule it out.

cccmedia in Juan Valdez Coffee Country

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To be 100% honest, the "Tipico" food the locals eat in Colombia sucks , is bland and and is very unhealthy.

But that being said , if if you live in a big city (over 300,000) you can get what you want.

And if you hunt around, lots of choices in fresh fruits (and less , but still passable for vegetabes)

In Manizales (Pop 500,000) there are a couple vegetarian restaurants and one very healthy restaurant non-vegetarian I know of.

Just cant expect to go into your average street restaurant and get good food.

And major stores like Exito and Carulla are expensive or have a poor choice.

Have to travel around and go to the farmers markets, tiendas in smaller cities, barrios for fresh fruits and vegetables. Fresh blueberries are at times impossible to find.

If you are on the road, travelling between cities it is really difficult finding healthy food. Way harder than in the in US.

So Monsanto is producing some kind of drug that effects peoples will power and makes them over eat?

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Your other questions (Like buying a farm) other tahn climate and crime, are way beyond my expertise.

Like the other fellow said, climate and crime can depend soley where a(what part of Colombia,city what barrio) and when (wet season, dry season, night, day) you are talking about.

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Sickness- I wilmake a comment on sickness.

The peple (espescialy the woen) "Look" great, but in the lower Barrios anyway, sickness is much more common than in developed countries.

This is due to bad diet , domestic and societal traumatic stress during upbringing, the prescription by doctors and overuse of antibiotics upbringing, and in some cases, genetics, due to inter-breeding (as a cultural tradition) in previous generations.

Only my personal observations.But I came from Western Canada, from a relatively healthy and affluent society , so I cant compare it to say, the mid-west or deep south in the US, where there seems to be serious obesity and oter health issues.

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One thing ccmedia dint mention-if you dont like rain, dont come to the eje cafetero. It tends to be very rainyduring the wet season.

Of course Armenia isnt as bad as Manizales.

Very few places in Colombia have a climate like San Diego. for example.

More like Houston in summer(Coast) or Oregon (Coffe distict) or BC Cnada (Bogota) .

Medellin gets quite a bit of rain , has a better climate, but a lot of polution.

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One thing ccmedia dint mention-if you dont like rain, dont come to the eje cafetero. It tends to be very rainyduring the wet season.

Of course Armenia isnt as bad as Manizales.

Very few places in Colombia have a climate like San Diego. for example.

More like Houston in summer(Coast) or Oregon (Coffe distict) or BC Cnada (Bogota) .

Medellin gets quite a bit of rain , has a better climate, but a lot of polution.

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CC is correct that you should bring as little as possible. Expect total costs to be $12 to 15k without insurance which could run another $5k. If you don't have Colombian wife you will also pay 20% import duties.

The wife and I moved almost everything - mostly because she refused to turn loose of anything. Customs went though everything unpackingeverybox and repacking but not allways into the same box. Nothing was pilfered along the way but every piece of furniture recieved damage - pretty sure that was from the Colombian side of the move.

As far as buying rual property here I do not concure with CC, there are plenty of areas that are quite safe but you would need a local contacts to steer you in the right direction. You should rent first in your chosen area because it could take years to sell if you chose poorly.

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Great advice. Im a priest and mayby customes will give me a break or make it easier for me if i ship my items? I have liturgical items and medical equipment id like to take with me.

Good idea about renting first. in the country side what would the average rent be for a house and a hectaria or two of land? I bought a property in Argentina and could not sell it for 4 years due to the crash....

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Great advice cccmedia! Thanks.

I noticed in my travels that you can almost judge the quality of food (nutrition wise not style of cooking) by the looks of the people. Gmo of its nature (depending on the sellection of genes, and its resistance to pesticides, always causes health problems. Diabetes, obesity, heart y immunal issues... the list is endless. I noticed in southern S America the obesity is rather low, whereas in Central America its higher. I ask because i have not seen the people in Colombia. In Ecuador they look healthy.

Are there places in Colombia that have moderate elevation (say 3000-4000 ft) with nice sunny weather? I stayed in Quito for one week y it almost killed me. I got bronchial edema.

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There really isn't any "average" rent for a house with a hectare or two of land, except in the strict mathematical sense, like if someone makes 10,000 a year and someone else makes 990,000 their average salary is $500,000...which is not very useful information if you use it to describe how much each makes.

It varies with the location. Closer to bigger cities is liable to be more costly, because lots of people want a country house but close to amenities. You can do searches for

Colombia arriendo casa campestre

or

Colombia alquiler finca

and the like and get lots of hits which will include working farms as well...

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Reference over weight folks, I came here 12 years ago. When I first came, I did not see many overweight people. That has changed dramatically in my opinion. Just today I mentioned this to my colombian wife, asking if she had any idea why. I would guess that over 30-40% are overweight seriously. Especially over 30 y.o.m men and women and more and more children.
My only idea is that they have more money for food than they did 12 years agao. Misterioso to me. Joe

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Afraid of the fatties lmao...
The stores like Exito ate loading up their shelves with comfort food, more Micky D's etc will get you larger pants...

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Adam C.,

The capital of the Santander departamento, Bucaramanga, might fit the bill -- 3-4,000 feet elevation and less rain than Eje Cafetero.

Despite elevation as low as Cali's, Buca is widely reported to be cooled by wind patterns, keeping it more comfortable.

Monthly weather statistics year-round show Buca with 77-degree highs, although some sites put the average higher than that. You may have to visit to see if the temps and the humidity suit you.

Go ten minutes out of Buca and up about 1,000 feet (to about 4,2oo feet of elevation) and you find residential condos and homes at Mesa de Ruitoque. The Jack Nicklaus golf course and country club are there. It's said to be about four degrees Celcius (or perhaps 6 degrees Fahrenheit) cooler than Bucamaranga city.

Bucaramanga is famous for its many parklands, the beauty of the city .. and since about 2004, major shopping malls have been popping up in Buca and sister city Floridablanca.

A weekly event called Gringo Tuesdays brings locals and Expats together.

Buca's got a population of about half a million .. and the Santander-capital metro area is over a million.

cccmedia in La Zona

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Nope. Bucaramanga sucks. Don't come here.

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Safe places for a newly-arrived Gringo to operate a remote farm?

There are none -- not at 2 a.m., not anywhere in Colombia.

The Ex-FARCs, ELN's and former cartel soldiers have been marginalized from many of the cities, often to border locations. But don't think it's beneath them to do a little traveling if word reaches them that a green Gringo on a remote finca is about to harvest his first crops.

They'll cut your fence, put your dogs to sleep, harvest your crops and head off in half a dozen directions in their 'camión y motos'.

Who's gonna stop 'em? Do you think the 'policia nacional' is instantly going to send armed officers to a remote farm in the middle of the night to protect a new Gringo's vegetables? Do you think any policemen who value their lives will want to put those lives on the line against desperate, armed 'despiados' .. in the name of produce protection?

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If you want a farm in South America, Ecuador is a better choice. You even have a ready-made mentor who farms in Ecuador and writes about it at ecuadorrealestate.org ... In Ecuador, you might have a chance.

cccmedia in La Zona

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If you're bolting the USA because of corporate fascism then I'd wager you'll very likely just be substituting one set of anxieties and problems for another.

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Thanks cccmedia. I agree. Your preaching to one of the choir. I lived in Argentina and i had ladrones attempt to enter my property twice by poisoning my dogs. I had Rotis and Cane Corso dogs, not ones to mess with. Fortunately i saved both of them.

I take it you dont like it there in Colombia?

I like Ecuador except i was ill the time i visited. The elevation just about killed me.

Let me clarify about my idea of buying a finca. I have no intentions to grow crops to sell. I learned in AR that the gov is heavily involved in the farming. Now the gov, argro, banks and petro are ONE. The rule with tyrany, fear and absolute extortion. Probably the same there, because its big $, big manipulation and control to be above the food industry. All governments are adicted to power, control and greed. So i have no intention to produce a product, filed under their corporate fascist system nor even registered as a "finca".

My idea is i plan on raising food for myself. Need little land for that, which can be nicely fenced in. Im skilled in free energy and plan to do that also. Its just to hunker down and plan for the best y worst to come.

Seems like you are up on things. How are the chemtrails there? Here its out of control. Trump is all for them. Species are dying off fast, well, yah, look at the deadly chemicals their using... its a constant battle just to be basically healthy here for me and many i know.

If you dont believe in that manipulation, this one site of the thousands doing the research ..it ought to do http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org

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I agree to a certain extent geoffbob. Corporate fascism is everywhere. Its the hip thing for the governments. Earns the $$$$ and power without a single lawsuit over riding their destructive agenda. When a corporation is a government agenda and the government is the corporation, who can touch them when they comitt some grave injustice? You can count on one hand the persons who won a case against the government.

However, corpfascism is seen indifferent degrees in every country. Like, i saw corpfascism in Argentina but its degree was so far short of usa. In time, they will all admire the version we have here and impliment the same, creating two classes, dirt poor and absolute out of control rich.

What im looking for is a place where you can just be left alone. Cant do it here in the States bec they are in your face and in your business in whatever you do.

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On the contrary, I love Colombia. I just registered my brand-new TP-7 visa on Friday (March 25, 2017). I'll be able to get my cédula in about a week.

On my first day driving in Colombia (last December) I learned the hard way first-hand about the nighttime dangers in unpatrolled rural areas.

18 miles south of Popayán, two maniacs on a moto approaching from behind suddenly started throwing rocks at my Chevy Sail in a rainstorm, destroying the rear windshield.

They pursued me toward Popayán at high speed until my car went into a spin-out on the slick Panamericana highway. That's when the 'malditos' fled the scene. I was lucky to get out of that mess uninjured.

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As for chemtrails, I agree that's an important issue. I have no knowledge of the extent of it in Colombia or in Ecuador, where I had been living for three-plus years.

cccmedia in La Zona

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Most today attribute obesity to over eating. I saw all the CBS, NBC, NY times etc, paid by Monsanto "studies"... all garbage and lies. Told constant lies, they then become truth, until you look into them.

Actually, we have had fast food restaraunts since the 20's. We had heavy unhealthy dishes for thousands of years. The problem today IS the food, no the people eating the food. Watch a ball game from the 60's until early 80's and look at the people in the stands. Rather thin and healthy, right. Look at them today.

Just do a little research in how they farm nowadays, under the fascist corp of Monsanto, and you will quickly understand why people are blowing up in the gut area.

Seeds now have infused pesticides. As the plant grows, the deadly chemical grows with it and in every part of the plant. What happens if bugs eats the vegitable? The gut of the insect explodes! Thats how Monsanto made it. Now Look at people today, their intestines are 2-6 times LARGER than before. If insect guts explode, our will not?¿!

The other type of "food" we are eating now is called Round Up Ready. The plants are impervious to the deadly Round Up sprayed on them. Round Up impedes essential mineral absorption, damages liver function, causes hypothyroidism, hardens arteries, kills good bacteria.... hmm...sounds real healthy to me.

The most common gmo out there is Monsanto's pride and joy, called gene receptors. They select and deselect certain gene trates in the vegitables. This is why you now see perfect tomatos, lettice, corn etc. The problem with this type is the gene receptors in the plant we eat, wake latent genes. Genes from various diseases we thought were no longer around, This is why doctors are seeing deadly viruses, bacteria, once know hundreds of years ago, returning. Sounds like healthy food to me. cBS, NBC, CNN.... ..

lastly, and certainly not least, gmo food are spliced gene created plants. What genes are we talking about? Are they apples and oranges, pairs and grapes?? No, the splicing is with plants and animals, insects with reptiles, fish with pigs etc. Did God create plants like this? No. So the question is, what form of proteins are produced with such diabolical splicing of genes? They are called foreign protiens. Our body only knows, can only process, and convert known proteins in the plant and animal world we live in. The Thymus does this sorting. If it detects a foreign unknown freaky protein created by the Monsanto world, it alerts the body to either attack it, because it is a danger to the body, or it stores that foreign protein as FAT. This answers a lot of questions why people have chronic fatigue and obesity, doesnt it? If your body is exhasting its immunal defense just from eating "food" and that "food" due to gmo created foreign proteins is turned into fat, again taxing the heart, clogging the arteries, taxing the liver....no wonder.

Anyone object?

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No, no one objects. Kooky theories about chemtrails and GMO conspiracies are what this forum is all about! I'm sure the Colombians will all welcome the opportunity to be enlightened by you.

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Those 'perfect' tomatoes -- and perfect corn ears -- are in the supermarkets in Quindío, Colombia.

Since this thread is called Thinking About Moving to Colombia....

How can Expats evaluate how bad the modified-food/chemtrail situation is here?

cccmedia in La Zona Cafetera

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I wish they were all just kooky theories. When you have thousands of drs in usa, canada, europe trying to stop gmo, and many orginizations including the UN before it was baught off by Dynacorp about the impending doom of chemtrails, they r no longer conspiracies, but a fact something is seriously wrong. Im not here to enlighten anyone whoanellie, i just hate how people force me to accept fake news paid off by corporate y gov agendas. History chanal has always been known to be a mouth piece for the us gov. For years it keeps airing clips from the past in russia, germany, italy like as if those were the worst, like no men today would do such evil like that. Those days of killing are Seseme Street and Mr. Rogers Neighborhood compared to day. There is no justice for the injustice now, just comply.

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u got gmo. Who doesnt. Gmo is 89% of the planet food supply. Those countries that banned it crops, import it. Russia is the only largest country which banned its seeds, growing and imports. Again, look at the people in Russia. They are all very healthy for a country that has low amount of sun and warmth. Evaluate the gmo is seen in how big a gut people have in a particular area. Here the people are so hugh, they couldnt fit threw the door of my rv. A person cannot normally eat that much. Its the food. Its deadly. Evaluate chemtrails? Its easy, just look up. Here, i see 30 and more a day when traveling. if thats for this small town, who is flipping the bill for all those chemicals, fuel, planes, man power???

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Heard this guy, http://www.drjoemacinnis.com
on public radio say there is zero evidence of harm from GMOs. He has no agenda. Consuming too many calories and a sedentary lifestyle are the main causes of obesity.

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I think the OP would get along good (or maybe not-they might be argueing like cats and dogs over counter-conspiracy theories). with a guy who is been in Medellin about 20 years, and used to post on the old PBH forums and others.

He goes by the moniker "Gringoloid"

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Adam, I sentyour theoryto my sister who has her PHD in agricultural genetics and she said, and I quote

"This wing nut is off his rocker"

But then she is probably "mind-controlled" by the corporate fascist lizards in thier "human suits"right?

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Have you ever been to Russia? I have lived there, and Kazakhstan, and they arent so healthy, espescially the men. They die off at least 10 years earlier than in North Americaa.

And te reason isnt the food. Its the copious quantities of vodka they drink and cigarettes they smoke.

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this post turned into sort of a discussion of food, so I will return to your questions... climate - I have visited much of the country in my 10 years here but always prefer the climate in Medellin. As most countries, there are a variety of climates (VERY hot near the coast, very cold in higher elevations - Bogota) but at an elevation of 4,500' this seems to be a perfect environment. The city of Eternal Spring (as it is called) is a very tropical area in the mountains, with temperatures of 72 EVERY day and 65 at night so great for sleeping. The river valley setting provides protection from storms so normally receive a little shower in the afternoons to keep vegetation always green.

The history of the 30+ years before has died many years ago but the news is slow to change. As with any large city you can find problems if you venture off but actually is more danger in the USA - St. Louis, Detroit, New Orleans, Washington, DC have much higher crime rates.

Prices - depends on what you want. Your idea of a farm may be a little primitive here as living outside the city could be difficult. In the city are huge new shopping centers and all the services required for life as in the USA at a cost of approx $500 / month (including health, ALL utilities, food, transportation, etc.). Water is drinkable, natural gas for hot water (heating not needed), and high speed fiber optic internet (US phone, TV), as well as high speed trains so a car is not necessary. Most people from the USA (10k+) live in new higher rise condos with beautiful views of the mountains and city, as well as very tranquil without close neighbors. You may find NEW 3 bedroom condos starting in the US$70's. Write to me if you would like more information (rssatl@gmail.com) and I can give you a call also.

Regarding the move, if you have a complete home in the USA, bring it as you may miss some of your memories. I moved a 40' container and was money ahead compared to buying all new. The aduana in Colombia was actually very good, only lost some larger items in USA because movers did not pack well and said there was no space (at the other end nearly 1/4 empty). Do NOT use Move Management in Miami - very unprofessional, inexperienced crew.

In closing, I see this option as the ONLY alternative for the more than 60+ million (going to 120m+) people on social security. You can live as a king here on the pension in paradise, without the cares and concerns as you mentioned in your post. Cheers!

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Well u proved my point. We can over due anything. Smoking y drinking can do it. But eating what we hope is regular good food should not. I see these obese people and i would never call them as gluttons as some here are doing. Its the chemicals and alteration of the food.

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Hey elepretriado, let me answer it this way. If we were talking about petrolium, and someone here said the entire petrolium industry is corrupt, with its own men in the government, trading market, legislation, banks, etc. And i try to refute that by asking my brother in law who works for a petrolium branch, think ill get a fare answer? monsanto is everywhere, in the government, in the argo, in the universities... Ask your sister to send me independent studies on the good qualities of glyphosate. After that, ill send some more of Monsanto "yummy ingrediences" which they sue if farmers do independent tests on. This topic is heated, why? Because people care about their food. If we talked about what window shade color looks best in the kitchen, i dont think we will have much going on. The truth is sometimes a very scary thing. we can all see something happening, right? Obesety is out of control, cancer, far more disease... I feel its better to know the truth of whats going on then just drink the cool aid everyone else is.

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Hey, pocopelo, i hit that link. Scrol down and look who supports that dr joe, Cocacola, disney, ibm, natural geographic, visa, rolex and they are labeled as CLIENTS. hmm yah, he is not bought off. Again, if we discussed pharma drugs and health, the topic would naturally lead to the same conclusion, pharma is controled and controls the market.

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I, for one, always believe poorly-written, misspelled and barely-literate screeds espousing any and all paranoid fantasies and conspiracies, especially when they have little to nothing to do with Colombia. It just makes life more interesting.

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Thanks whoanellie, i agree, i write terrible. "Any and all paranoid fantasies and conspiracies, especially when they have little to nothing to do with Colombia?" Food is in Colombia, right? My question was an honest one, what kind? Gmo created by Monsanto or the food God created was my concern. Am i the only one that holds these views that gmo foods are not healthy? I dont think so. If you do a search, you will be reading a ton of studies done by universities, independent firms, doctors, common laypeople, lawsuits stacked high against Monsanto paid by your tax $, because gov y Monsanto are one... i love it how when the truth scares someone, they attack the messanger and not the message.

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Adam,

No use in going to Colombia to plant and eat non GMO...it's to late. I have some land that we lease to a local farmer, and everything is modified, chemically sprayed, etc. It's the only way they can compete.

He tried to plant organic, and lost his shirt. Maybe you can do this to live off of yourself, but not much luck finding it.

You'll also have to put up with a lot of theft. He's constantly mending fences and calling the police to no avail.

Security will be a BIG issue, not for the land/product, but for yourself. When I go visit, we don't tell anyone that I'm going to be there. There was another gentlemen on this forum that was held at gunpoint and tied up while they searched his home. He was lucky.

2 hectares and you'll need a gas driven tiller. Quite expensive and they make their own chemtrails.

Obesity in the US is more to do with it becoming a more sedentary lifestyle. It's becoming the same in Asia and S. America too. I was in China 15 years ago for a while, and returned about 3 years ago for a stint. Obesity has exploded and it has more to do with lifestyle and bringing more people out of poverty (ability to feed themselves and have 'down' time)...just like in the Western world.

I can understand some concern over what we put in our bodies...but you lost the whole conversation when you mentioned Chemtrails.

How are you getting to Colombia without making some? Your just contributing more. Anyone who believes the Chemtrail conspiracy theory is a complete nut job.

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Calories in > calories burned = weight gain. Period, end of story. It's really that simple.

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Thanks for that info on agro in Colombia mtbe. I see you have been there and done that. I appreciate the wisdom y input.

Yes one of my questions was on crime there. I now see it is probably higher than Argentina. I owned 3 hectaria there and only utilized 1/3 for raising protection dogs and my personal food. I never was heldup at gun point bec i owned one. They all knew it too. When i shot a wind pig in the heart at 40 meters away with a simple 9mm bursa, some neighbors saw it and word spread fast. Neverthless, like there, they always watch you. They attempted to break in twice by poisoning my dogs but i returned and saved them in time. So i appreciate the honestu.

I used to think too that the chemtrail was a joke. Again, if you accumulate the facts, and the purpose is the truth, then you begin seeing things differently.

Look at how the UN admitted it in this video http://www.globalpossibilities.org/the-united-nations-admit-chemtrails-are-real/

Go to http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org

And see how a small team collected a ton of facts.

I was going to send you a local news report on a Dyncorp plane which crashed on take off spilling aluminum and other chemicals, but it was pulled.

So what im saying mtbe, is that, if i stated here that Colombia is a safe place, low crime, perfect place to start a farm BEFORE looking into it or asking persons like yourself, who lived there, you could rightly call me a nut job. But why call me a nut job when you obviously blanketly accepts the notion that chemtrails are natural in the sky?

If you have a theory as to how and why contrails remain in the sky and block sun light, id love to hear it.

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If that is true, show me these same fat people you see today in films from the 40's 60's 70's...?? People had the same food then as today whoanillie.

Prove to me that this is totally incorrect. http://gmofreewashington.com/our-experts/nancy-swanson/

Again, its easy to state something without facts backing them.

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"If you have a theory as to how and why contrails remain in the sky and block sun light, id love to hear it. "

Contrails are in effect Man-made clouds and they form and dissipate for the same reasons natural clouds form and dissipate. As jet fuel burns the major byproducts are water vapor and carbon dioxide. Burning 1 gallon of jet fuel actually produces about 1.3 gallons of water. Depending on atmospheric conditions a contrail may or may not form, and it may or may not persist for a long while, just like a cloud.

The effort and self-delusion required to believe in "chemtrails" is astounding. It would take literally thousands of people to be in on the conspiracy, to develop the chemicals so they could burn along with jet fuel and not be rendered ineffective or broken down into their elements and molecules by the heat of combustion, and further to store, transport and deliver them, to secretly install spraying systems into the airplanes that could not be detected but could be activated somehow with thousands of pilots either being in on it or not knowing what goes on in the planes they fly, not to mention the fuel companies and ground crews.

You literally have to be at least mildly insane to believe in chemtrails, or maybe just be completely clueless about how so many things in the real world actually work.

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No it's not that simple. I recommend everyone read "Salt, Sugar, Fat: How the Food Giants Hooked Us" by Michael Moss. It's a miracle any of us are not obese. Btw, I'm the gentleman who experienced the home invasion in the finca south of Medellin. I'm now in Envigado and loving it.

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Never underestimate the power of the ignorant in large numbers.

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"If that is true, show me these same fat people you see today in films from the 40's 60's 70's...?? People had the same food then as today whoanillie."

More assertions masquerading as facts, that just aren't so.

For instance just since 1970 our caloric intake has increased dramatically.

"We're eating more now than ever. A lot more.

In 1970, the average American downed 2,169 calories a day, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture. By 2008, we were consuming 2,674 calories daily.

That's a 23 percent increase. "

The above from:
http://www.cleveland.com/fighting-fat/index.ssf/2010/04/americans_are_consuming_more_calories_than_ever.html

Further, food production in general has increased astonishingly from say, 1940 to day. Search for "corn yield 1940 vs today" and you will get many hits showing the yield has increased sixfold or more. This chart in this article is informative, going back to 1865 and up to 2010:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2012/08/16/a-brief-history-of-u-s-corn-in-one-chart/?utm_term=.11e327a2c6a9

From under 30 bushels an acre to over 160 bushels an acre means food (in the USA) is cheap and available like nowhere else on Earth, although the whole world has benefitted but almost nowhere else has farming progressed as much as it has in the USA. You may not be aware of this but in many places in the world, people spend half their income or more on food whereas in the USA it's under 10%:
http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/03/02/389578089/your-grandparents-spent-more-of-their-money-on-food-than-you-do

Worldwide it's not nearly as rosy a picture. Colombians spend more than 25% of their income on food, and many countries even more. I daresay you could find a strong correlation between high food costs and rates of obesity - if something costs more, people can afford less of it:
http://wsm.wsu.edu/researcher/wsmaug11_billions.pdf

As YOU say, it's easy to state something without facts backing it up. Even more so when it's crazy theories that are out on the fringes of reality - or that never have been even close to reality.

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Funny, I handg around athletic people, mountain bikers, back country skiers, rock climbers, marathon runners, natural body builders ..

They all seem to be mysteriously unafected by those Monsanto chemicals.

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So I suppose you will be avoiding the Oil industry and not flying to Colombia, but going there in a row boat?

I misspell all the time as well, dont worry about that part..

It has little to do with sanity or insanity or is relevance to the discussion either,

Not exactly as if we are getting paid to do this,

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elex...do you think you could allow some room for some other posters ? It just might be a good idea. As I understand it.....no one knows everything about a country, ever...even after living in it for many years. Insight into a question is good...a totally totalitarian post accomplishes zero...in terms of relevant information on any website. Traquilo y Paz a todos.

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If you visited just these two cities for just a short while, say, Denver, CO and Memphis, TN you would be gobsmacked at the relative differences in the general physical appearance of the populations...Monsanto doesn't have anything to do with it!

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SkyMan..you are invited to make whatever input and posts you want..won´t hear a peep out of me

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I admit to a lack of knowledge about chemtrails and GMOs, but I do know that the "a calorie is a calorie" theory is no longer held as a mainstream idea. Health pros now know much more about such things as sugar and carbs etc. and their effect on metabolism and overall health. The modern diet is not similar to that of decades ago and diabetes in only one of the consequences.

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At least this thread has become a good chuckle...

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What was once called wacky, soon becomes the mainstream truth. Thanks for the info everyone. Im done with colombia. You all can go back to drinking the coolaid and be at peace with Monsanto and chemtrails. Chau!

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@Woahnellie.......Gobsmacked? You must be English.........I picked that word up from my English friend here in Panama......Dont remember having ever heard it before so I assume its an English creation.........good word tho......I use it now.......Yes, yur right! We can blame a lot of stuff on MOnsanto.......They are definately in the corporate crown of evil along with Halliburton, Carlysle Group, CocaCola, McDonalds and many more who seem to be intent on undermining the general health and well being of the public while enriching themselves......But in this particular case, it comes down to general education, knowledge, discipline and physical exercise.........These folks you are talking about in Den Co or Seattle for example as opposed to Tenneses or Mississippi, etc are no doubt more likely to be shopping at Trader Joes and going to the gym or out for some extreme sports than the average joes and janes in the deep south.............But they got soul down there, and lots of it............But no, Im gonna have to give Monsanto a break on this one.........despite the fact that I despise them and see them as part of the problem, not the solution.........

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"But why call me a nut job when you obviously blanketly accepts the notion that chemtrails are natural in the sky?"

Asking about living in Colombia and believing in Chemtrails are too dissimilar to even try to combine.

The second is not even worth the electrons it takes to type this note...

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Me, I can never get enough about chemtrails. And I love the idea that Monsanto is responsible for the world's waistlines. It's certainly been a growing thing in my case, and it's a comfort to let the blame fall elsewhere. Alternative facts are all the rage, but once our alien overlords finally return, why, it will all become clear, you bet.

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Tranquilo y paz a todos.

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Best to get your info from expats that have or actually do own farm land in Colombia.Plenty of pros and cons.

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Hi Dan welcome tthe Forum

They guy is not interested . He gave up on Colombia.

Too bad he would have been a good buddy for Gloid. They could have spent hours discussing "Chemtrails" and "Black Swan " events together

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Hey Hi

Find a place in Colombia that fill all this requierements is not to hard.

In the North Zone "Caribe Colombiano" many foreign people found a great place to live.

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I already sent u a private message, if other members have questions about it, feel free of contact me.

Cheers!

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Hi

i think that this option can fill all your requirements; http://www.expatexchange.com/eetr/78830/32/6/real-estate/colombia/Farm-for-Rent-and-for-Sale-in-Santa-Marta-Km-27-Colombia

Here many foreign people found a great place to live. The north coast of Colombia is Safe.

If other memebers wana more information related feel free of contact me!

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