PRS
3/29/2017 10:09 EST
The incessantly barking dogs of Panama are unbearable. All day and throughout the night. There are also plenty of crowing roosters, but my main complaint with them is they wake up too early.
Do Armenia, Pereira, and Manizales have the barking dog problem?
Thx.
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regnatarajan
3/29/2017 11:07 EST
I think that's going to be a neighbourhood-specific issue. Live in a gated community and the odds are high there'll be no dog barking noise.
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afarestegui
3/29/2017 12:58 EST
In Pereira, estrato 6 Pinares neighborhood, there are barking dogs every morning. Between 5AM to 6AM every morning, several dog walkers with as many as 15 to 20 leashed dogs sound their barking alarm. For those of us that do not own dogs as pets, we have to put up with the barking on a daily basis. This is the unfortunate reality of living in an estrato 6 apartment tower community. In addition to the barking, there is the problem with owners as well as dog walkers not cleaning up after the dogs "needs". To make matters worse, there are many street dogs roaming the neighboring streets as well, and these dogs will bite if you turn your back on them. The whole dog issue has been one of my biggest disappointments of living in Pereira.
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cafetero
3/29/2017 13:38 EST
I second what afarestegui said, the dogs have been one of my biggest challenges for nearly 8 years in Colombia. I have actually moved a couple times because of dogs, and roosters.
One next door neighbor would put her dog on her balcony every morning at 5 am and he would bark for a solid hour. Then when she came home from work at 6 pm she would put him out there again and he would bark for a solid hour. I asked her why, and she said she did it so he could exercise. True story.
Another next door neighbor had a German Shepard that she would lock on her balcony every day while she was at work, then when she came home she would hose off the balcony washing the dog excrement onto the sidewalk below. That dog barked at every thing, a taxi going by, kids in the street, a plane overhead, music, street vendors, all day long that son of a perrita barked and barked. I wanted to poison the son of a perrita. After that I moved to a pueblo, and son of a perrita, my neighbor had 3 dogs and 5 roosters. I lasted three months there and moved again. Then, in another pueblo I was walking across the central park one night on my way home from class and three dogs rushed me and one latched onto my leg and left parallel three inches scars four inches long on my calf. He literally dragged me down like you see in the wildlife videos when the wolf takes down the deer. Luckily two men where nearby and they rushed to my aid, otherwise I would have been badly mauled. After that I moved to a gated community and found some peace and quiet. Except, about 100 yards away on a balcony outside the gates a man puts his dog on the balcony all day long when he is at work and that damn dogs barks at everything. Luckily it is far enough away I can ignore it most of the time, and luckily he brings the dog in at nights. You get so pissed off at these dogs crapping all over the place you sometimes harbor maniacal schemes to grab them all and neuter them on the spot. NO body neuters their dogs here and there are no leash laws and no noise laws. You just have to live with it. As stated before, the dogs and their excrement everywhere, and the roosters, has been my biggest disappointment in Colombia.
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PRS
3/29/2017 13:50 EST
Thanks, afarestegui & cafetero.
I recall you live just outside Pereira, cafetero. These two posts alone are enough to cross Pereira off our list and hope for better in Armenia, possibly even Manizales.
Thx.
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dliss62
3/29/2017 14:05 EST
Odd that some here seem to blame the dogs. There are no bad dog... just bad owners!
Dogs don't know that it's not ok to poopie on the sidewalk, but the owners do. Dogs don't know that it's not ok to bark at 5am, but the owners do.
I do agree that people in Colombia need to neuter their pets. We have the same problem here in the U.S., which leads to millions of pets euthanized (slaughtered) every year.
Some people should not be allowed to own pets and I wish there was a type of license and training requirement to own a pet, but that's just wishful thinking.
It's a persons right to own pets, but I don't see where he/she has a right right to abuse them.
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cafetero
3/29/2017 15:18 EST
its not just Pereira, its everywhere. I´ve lived in most of the major cities of Colombia and half a dozen pueblos as I move around for teaching jobs and its the same everywhere, even Armenia and Manizales and the pueblos of Quindio and Caldas. There are street dogs everywhere and they aren´t neutered or rounded up, they just keep breeding and reproducing. When a disease breaks out, like mange or distemper, its pretty horrific to see so many sick dogs. and yes, the owners are very inconsiderate. They open the door at 5 or 6 and let their dogs run free in the street to crap all over the place. Nobody picks up nada. At least in the gated communities you see some owners following their dogs with a plastic baggie, but not always even in the gated communities.
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cccmedia
3/29/2017 15:42 EST
Buried somewhere in this thread was Reg's astute comment that this problem is often neighborhood-specific.
If you live in a gated complex where dog insanity is not tolerated .. and know how to buy Flent's Ear Stopples to guarantee good sleep .. you're two steps ahead of the game.
Double-paning your windows is another concept -- even it you're a renter!
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novato1953
3/29/2017 20:21 EST
Cue the amplifiers, the roosters and the fireworks celebrating many, many dates pertaining to blessed saints and past battles. Remember kitchen gods are never discussed, because if you need to ask you shouldn't know.
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novato1953
3/29/2017 20:36 EST
Home in a few drone overflight infrared-cameras crossfeeds with high-quality digital audio to help remove all doubt about a neighborhood you're thinking of moving into. Bring that little baby to a-hover six or seven feet above the suspect area and take a casual looksee. You may thank me later. Lest shotguns get involved, best leave some other unfortunate's passport aboard the aircraft. The same cabal of Ukrainians recently getting rich hacking John Deere farm implements in Nebraska might have posted on this a while back. Makes you stop and think.
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dumluk
3/29/2017 23:18 EST
Ohhhh noooooo.............So do you mean that there is no respite from barking dogs and crowing roosters in Colombia either? Tell me true.......is there neither respite from the horrible gut wrenching reggaeton here in Panama? So youre telling me that my quest for peace is not to be found anywhere in Colombia except maybe FARC controlled territory? I too have been driven out of several local barrios becuz of barking dogs and roosters.......But I can also tell you that a few of those rooster ended up in the pot of my workers for a nice sancocho...........and at least a few of the most pernicious out of control dogs were put out of our misery.........I as the only gringo in the barrio was blamed, but I swear it wasnt me...........I did play a supporting role tho...........The old school Panas dont like it either......and some of em believe it or not got some cajones...........So youre telling me I need to move into a gated community to find peace and a good nights sleep in Colombia? Even in the supposedly civilized eje cafetero? Well, sheeeeet..........I guess thats not gonna work either...........Maybe it makes more sense to just stay right where I am...........As soon as the hydroelectric company finishes installing their THIRD turbine, which should be any minute, thenoise factor should be slim to none once again...........just river and birds...............oh yeah, and the milk truck coming up the grade early am................
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WhoaNellie
3/30/2017 10:15 EST
Most places in Cali, barking dogs and crowing roosters are not much of a problem, nor even in suburban Jamundí to the south of the city, as far as I have seen and heard.
The barrio Ciudad Capri in Cali is even quieter than my peaceful neighborhood in the States - as long as it's not some holiday when you may be serenaded perhaps longer and louder than you wanted. But normally the only thing that I'd hear late at night and in the wee hours of the morning would be the gentle yet haunting calls of the Common Potoo...
http://www.xeno-canto.org/species/Nyctibius-griseus?view=3
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Elexpatriado
3/30/2017 10:34 EST
I am more afraid of their "Bite" than their "Bark".
I got bitten once while jogging, and had to get rabies and tetanus shots. I found out vacunas are not covered by Medicina prepagada (or by EPS either apparently)
I know carry pepper spray around with me. Also good for "low threat" ladrones..armas blancas (small knives and less) only ..as long as they are a reasonable distance from you..
Worst are the guys that walk the dogs for the lazy Colombians. Sometimes the more irresponsible ones will let hem run loose. I have had a couple run-ins with these guys after the biting incident.
PRS , if you get into a high rise apartment estrato5 or 6, in North of Armenia, with sound proof windows, the dogs barkingg shouldnt bother you. There is one in my complex that sometimes (very occaisionally) makes noise during the day (right now) but the other tennents make sure they shut them up at night.
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Elexpatriado
3/30/2017 10:37 EST
I have never seen this in Palermo , El Cable ior Milan in Manizales. I think the dog walkers ar regulated to the parks. I seethem in Bosque Popular and Cerro Oro in Manizales, but not in the streets of the barrios.
But then I have never seen a sicario hit in a fancy restaurant in these barrios, like I did in Pinares.
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PRS
3/30/2017 10:40 EST
Lots of good advice here. Thanks.
Like Panama, looks like you just have to be diligent when evaluating a property location.
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Elexpatriado
3/30/2017 10:40 EST
PRS -if you are that concerned about dogs , maybe you should move to Saudi Arabia. You wont find them there, they think they are dirty.
I think you will ave the same issues anywhere in Latin America- you just have to manage the issue to the best of your ability.
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cafetero
3/30/2017 19:24 EST
Yeah, Saudi Arabia where even the women are considered dirty.....my favorite is china, where they eat the damn dogs. thats the best solution right there.
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cafetero
3/30/2017 19:27 EST
Here are some favorite quotes from the times I´ve interacted with Colombianos with muscle dogs. ¨Stand still, he won't bite you.¨ ¨ Wow, He´s never done that before.¨ ¨If you hadn´t moved he wouldn´t have bit you¨. ¨If you hurt my dog I´ll kill you.¨
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