In a Gringo church we used to attend, a few months ago eight couples left.

Every single one of them, the reason was because they missed grand kids, and/or had ailing parents.

It is a mystery to me also. And I cannot really relate because I never had kids. But when I hear their stories, they think they NEED to HELP them because they lost a job or ... Some people I know actually go back to US for a few weeks to help their kids paint their house or decorate it.!! Or move!

And I know people in the US that will travel several states to do the same kind of thing. My parents never did. I would not want them to! I can paint my own house, and move to another one all by myself.

I realize I am opinionated, but these parents need to allow their children to grow up and be independent. If they lose a job, they need to consider that perhaps it is their fault and learn what to do or not to do to prevent it from happening again.

Before moving here, for 8 years we had moved near my mom, and I watched as she had alzheimers. We moved and lived in Florida for 5 years after she died. But if I had been already in CR, I would not have moved to be near her. Half the time, she not know who I was. When she did have her marbles, she was extremely manipulative and not too pleasant to be around.

I also know people that had lovely homes built here, and then took a loss on them, to move back to HELP their kids.

But I think that part of the reason was, they just hung around Gringos, and did not have much purpose in their being here. Some very self centered and not easy to get along with.

When they return to US, they feel NEEDED. Well, mostly for what is in their bank account or wallet.

I think that some are manipulated by their kids because they are afraid they will lose out because their parents spent it on a house here, and their inheritance will be gone, or have a hard time getting it. My husband in the past was always 'helping; his kids and relatives. He finally learned that the minute he did, it was squandered and wasted and they ended up just as broke before he helped them.

Just my observance, and in listening to Gringos talk.

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Not only retirees leave, but young families who just can't afford to raise a family here.
Some retirees have had their 'adventure' and now just want 'to go home'. A reason, must be given so some will say 'I miss the family' or I am needed there'.
Some may have made the move after a second marriage with a spouse that has never had children and doesn't understand the 'pull' of these grandchildren have on their partner.
Some will have health problems and require their family to help them.
One spouse may have died and the surviving spouse does not wish to live here alone.
And of course, some just don't like living here.

In regards to leaving beautiful homes; many have been 'for sale' for years, and eventually the owners leave, hoping they can rent them out until a sale is made.

To them, their reasons are very real.

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So many reasons.....

1) Homesickness (affects all expats in every country)
2) Vacationers who turned into expats too quickly (ie didn't really understand their part of CR)
3) Too expensive
4) Too much crime
5) Too hot
6) Too rainy

For every reason to stay there is a reason to go. Everything 1 person loves about a place = something another person hates. It's just the way it is.

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Efn4 - You cannot say 'homesickness affects all expats" because I have not been homesick for the US for one minute.

I have always felt at home in CR. And if I were to take a trip back to Florida or any state I have lived in the US, I would not feel I was going 'home'. I would be looking forward to returning to my home in CR.

But I am probably a minority. When I was 10 yrs old and went to summer camp for 2 weeks, I could not understand why some of the others were crying and 'homesick.

And when I came to CR the first time at age 19, I had signed up for language school for 3 months, and my mom had to beg me to come 'home' in 6 months. I was not homesick for one minute.

And the crime where we live is less than in Florida where we lived. And if we did not put on the a/c at night at least, it was difficult to sleep and we would wake up sweating. Not so here. No a/c needed.

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TO LindyluvsCR, You cannnot compare the crime rate in Florida with CR and conclude that there is less crime in CR. Florida is one of the top states in USA for crime. It IS a dangerous state. But many states such as Vermont, New Hampshire, and Montana do NOT have the crime rate that CR has. That is a fact. People leave CR because they want to. You seem to be so angry about it. No one is putting you down because you want to stay in CR. Leave the people that want to leave alone.

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Makes sense that if someone's spouse passes away that they would want to be near relatives or if someone has major health problems and needs better care than what CR has to offer. It's got to be tough for people to spend all that money to have their house of their dreams only to have to give it up. I am curious though why these houses stand empty for years before someone buys them. I would think anybody with the money would be thrilled to move in to these homes. Why does it take so long?

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Many poured a lot of money and energy into their relocation to Costa Rica because they believed they had found Pura Vida, translated Pure Life.

They were seduced by the PURA VIDA slogan, because it's just a slogan, nothing more, used to advertise Costa Rica as paradisiacal, a geat place to visit and live.

Then with time, many experience the reality of living in Costa Rica and discover that it is a far cry from Pura Vida.

That explain why so many leave.

In the decade I lived in Costa Rica, many expats joked that Pura Mierda (PURE CRAP) was a more appropriate slogan.

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"homesickness (affects all expats in every country)" means that it's not a unique problem for expats in Costa Rica. It's a basic expat problem. It may not affect you, but it affects most people who choose to leave their home. You seem to not think of Florida as home so that's probably why you aren't homesick.

Don't take everything so personally lindy. There are many reasons to stay and many reasons to go. My list is just common reasons I have heard from people I know who have left ( there are MANY additional reasons). There's no need to explain why each one doesn't apply to you....clearly not everyone leaves and neither have I.

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beachgirl, where do you live now?

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Hola beach1girl, for your information "Pura Vida" is not "just a slogan, nothing more, used to advertise Costa Rica as paradisiacal, a geat place to visit and live. "

That comment may just show how little you actually know about our little slice of paradise.

Pura Vida! is a Tico term widely by locals who couldn't give a damn about "expats".

“Pura Vida!” is one of the first things you'll hear on a trip to Costa Rica. Whether used as a hello, a good bye, or an exclamation of appreciation, this phrase expresses the peaceful, happy vibes the Costa Ricans feel as the result of their beautiful surroundings and liberty. Enjoy the natural wonders of this small, but diverse, country all year long and discover the breathtaking results of the Costa Ricans' preservation of their sacred land."

My moving here and living here full time is the best thing that I've ever done with my life and I've had a great life.

I'll live out my day's here.

Pura Vida!

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My new motto! Not a punchline to me. Be well

Pura Vida!
Mjc

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Outstanding point!

Live Pura Vida!

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Liberty Peace Progress. Heredia's motto

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Get a life

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ILuvCR
I agree with you.
It wasn't the gringos that came up with "Pura Vida".
In fact Ticos are the ones who say Pura Vida to us all the time!
I think this is such a beautiful country and I love the way the locals are willing to wait in line whether it's in the bank or in the doctor without complaining!
They are much more relaxed than gringos!
I feel so blessed for living here!

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Renee - I understand crime rate in Florida is one of the worst in the US. Nevertheless, it is my second favorite place that I have lived.

I am not angry in the least that people leave. I was merely responding to the list of reasons, and my perspective. I also lived in Oklahoma for total of 19 yrs., so being hot is relative. It gets up and over 110 degrees in the summer. So here I feel like I went to heaven.

All I was saying is that I do not feel homesickness for Florida, or any other state I lived in the past, because CR is my home.

And of all the places I have lived, CR has been in my heart the most, and the place I yearned for. So since I feel more at home here than any other place I have lived, I am not homesick for any other place where have lived in the past.

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If living in CR is really pura vida, people wouldn't be leaving. I've visited CR several times and had a great time minus the unfriendly people, but if living there is truly pura vida people wouldn't be moving out in droves and more people would be lining up to move there. Something isn't being shared on this forum like other CA forums. Nobody pours hundreds and thousands on building a great house with great property and moves because of family issues. Some may have and I can understand that such as a lost spouse or health issues but I doubt a lot of these people pack up and move because of that. And like I said before, if CR is such a great place to live and pura vida is the way it is, then why are these beautiful properties up for sale for years. I would think these properties would go like hot cakes if CR is the paradise it is advertised as. Who wouldn't walk into one of these homes and live in paradise if it was truly a paradise. I don't know what it is, but there is something wrong with this picture. I'd gladly buy one of these properties and live in paradise if that was it. But there is more to it than that, and that's what most people on this forum aren't willing to talk about. There is more to this story than just dropping 400,000 + on a property thinking you have found your heaven on earth. This forum is pretty much a place for people to advertise their goods. Wasn't always this way. I think many people on this forum are advertising their services just to survive there. Anybody seriously considering moving to CR or any place should go beyond EC, such as what are the taxes an expat pays, what are the real health care expenses. For older people like me; what are the real crime problems. Sure, people could say that these things shouldn't keep someone from moving on, but give me a break. If I was in my 20's, I wouldn't care about these things. Priorities change when you get older. Some on EC once said that if you don't have family or a business in your new country, don't move there.

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For what it's worth, I think it's pretty sick for people for people to make false claims about how great and cheap it is moving anywhere. It's just taking advantage of people for personal gains. I wonder how many people here would be there for the people they convinced CR would be a great move when things go wrong. My guess is zero.

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Blue Wind you are right. It is very expensive in CR. It is very difficult to obtain residency in CR even after dishing out thousands of dollars to do so.Crime is up -rampant stealing! The poor roads and excessive traffic can drive one crazy. Expats are forced to pay into Caja, CR's socialized medicine system, but never use it since it is so bad!! (Expats need to also buy private medical insurance to get half way decent health care.)Many people end up getting intestinal parasites since there are no standards for cleanliness when preparing foods in restaurants etc. There ARE BIG time problems in CR that no one wants to talk about!! It may be hard to admit one made a mistake about moving to CR.

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efn4, I have the privilege of calling Canada, USA, Nicaragua and Argentina home. Love them all for different reasons.

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Calm down bluewind. I don't think there is a conspiracy to deceive. It's no secret that expats leave and the various problems are discussed often. The difficulty of selling real estate is also discussed often.

Part of the overall problem is that people ask overly general questions. Costa rica is very diverse. The reasons for leaving different parts of it differ. In my area the petty crime is the only con for me. I have excellent roads, good internet, no traffic, many beaches, etc, but it's endlessly tiresome to be proactive about security when I don't have to in MY AREA of the states.

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What got to me about living in Costa Rica.
1. Theft- that gets old really quick. You can't leave anything in the car. You shouldn't carry any thing of value. If you do, you won't have it for long. Many people had their houses wiped out when they went back to Canada or the US. They would literally come back to an empty house. And many times the people that took care of their properties were the same ones that alerted friends when there was an opportunity.
2. The people tolerate the expats for the money but really don't like them. The Costa Ricans are cordial and sweet people but they do resent the expats. I don't blame them really, but I don't want to live somewhere where they people don't like you because you are from another culture. I understand that people get tired of large groups of people invading their country.
3. The expats, this is area specific. Some locations seem to lure the unsavory high school acting expats - mainly beach areas. As always, there are some really great expats and some really dicey ones.
4. The cost - the food prices are ridiculous and I mean Ridiculous. Try to go out to a restaurant - prices too high. I ate the typical rice and beans dishes all the time, but it was still too expensive for what it is.

Costa Rica can be a really great place to live. There are many wonderful, beautiful and safe areas to live in, but choose wisely. If you have a ton of money and like being around other expats then it could be great. That is one of the things about being in a foreign country. You either go to a foreign country where they truly welcome you or you go to a country like CR because there is an expat population. You could also buy property and live off of the land. I think CR would be perfect for that.

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What got to me about living in Costa Rica.
1. Theft- that gets old really quick. You can't leave anything in the car. You shouldn't carry any thing of value. If you do, you won't have it for long. Many people had their houses wiped out when they went back to Canada or the US. They would literally come back to an empty house. And many times the people that took care of their properties were the same ones that alerted friends when there was an opportunity.
2. The people tolerate the expats for the money but really don't like them. The Costa Ricans are cordial and sweet people but they do resent the expats. I don't blame them really, but I don't want to live somewhere where they people don't like you because you are from another culture. I understand that people get tired of large groups of people invading their country.
3. The expats, this is area specific. Some locations seem to lure the unsavory high school acting expats - mainly beach areas. As always, there are some really great expats and some really dicey ones.
4. The cost - the food prices are ridiculous and I mean Ridiculous. Try to go out to a restaurant - prices too high. I ate the typical rice and beans dishes all the time, but it was still too expensive for what it is.

Costa Rica can be a really great place to live. There are many wonderful, beautiful and safe areas to live in, but choose wisely. If you have a ton of money and like being around other expats then it could be great. That is one of the things about being in a foreign country. You either go to a foreign country where they truly welcome you or you go to a country like CR because there is an expat population. You could also buy property and live off of the land. I think CR would be perfect for that.

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reneeabc123
I don't think it's hard to get residency here. It took me 7 1/2 months.
Who told you hat everybody regrets moving to Costa Rica?
Bluewind, no one is forcing you to move to Costa Rica.
Why are you so bitter?
If you feel happy where you are then stay there!
Don't spit on other people's blessings!
We didn't have any family here!-We moved to Costa Rica because we wanted to!
I think you are afraid of the unknown but like I already said:Stop spiting on other's blessings!
I don't understand why you are so upset!-No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to move here!
Why are you even here on this forum?
I "saw "you on the Nicaragua Forum and your question is always about moving and not having any family!
You are the ONLY one who has the power to make that decision: to move to another country or not to move!
Stop calling us liars and saying that we didn't tell the truth!
We applied for residency here but one day if we choose to leave we have the freedom to do so the same way we had the freedom to move to Canada and then to Costa Rica.
Should we choose to go back to our country of origin we don't even need to spend money in lawyers or documents.We already have our documents!-The cost of life is much cheaper there and we also have beautiful beaches!-The difference is that we have Spring, Summer, Autumn and Winter and during the winter it rains and it is cold!
A lot of tourists who come to Costa Rica are surprised that we are not living in Portugal. Check the beaches in the province of Algarve and you will understand even though my husband is from Nazare where McNamara from Hawaii goes surfing!
For those who don't know there is another beach there (same town) that has normal waves.
Only God knows about our future!
He gives us the power and the freedom to make choices but I like to "marinate" every decision with prayer!
For those who like surfing check out the biggest waves in the world here.
There are several videos.Even CNN went there to film it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgDtRmSCxBg

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Hmmm---I did my own residency, it is WAYYY easier now than ever and it cost me a few hundred bucks. Yes traffic sucks--no, roads not bad, brand new as a matter of fact on the Caribbean. We have a brand new hospital and I will take the care here before the months long waits---high insurance rates and all for the privilege of seeing a Physicians Assistant in the States. Only Doctors and Nurses here! Parasites??? Oh come on I have lived and eaten all over the country for 15 years and neither I nor anyone I know ever had and issue. Sounds like fake news to me---
Gill Phelan
www.gvecr.com

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Here is a great list showing the cost of both legal and mandatory government fees involved when applying for residency.

https://outlierlegal.com/services/immigration/legal-fees-government-fees-and-expenses/

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GBP
I'm not surprised you did your own residency because after I got all my documents notarized and authenticated from the Foreign Affairs and from the Embassy of Costa Rica I thought:
Why do I need to pay my lawyer when I did all the work?
The reason I decided to go ahead and use her services was based on something I read saying that the Immigration prefers to deal with lawyers and that sometimes they would tell those who had filed on their own that they couldn't find their application.
I have a neighbor here from Canada who married a Tico and after speaking to my lawyer she decided to do it on her own!
Well, I also think it's much easier for her!-She will get the Permanent Residency much sooner!

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You need to chill out Pom a little before you keel over from a heart attack. I never called anybody a liar and I'm definitely not trying to rain on anybody's parade. I'm glad you and others have found their slice of paradise. I was simply asking questions cause I haven't found mine yet.

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My reply is in caps after your sentences, so do not think I'm yelling

What got to me about living in Costa Rica. 1. Theft- that gets old really quick. You can't leave anything in the car. You shouldn't carry any thing of value. If you do, you won't have it for long.

I THINK WE HAVE THE SAME THING HERE IN THE STATES. IN THE US YOU HAVE THE SAME THINGS HAPPENING, WE ARE CONSTALLY BEING TOLD NOT TO LEAVE PHONES, LAPTOPS OR ANYTHING IN SITE WHEN WE PARK OUR CARS



Many people had their houses wiped out when they went back to Canada or the US. They would literally come back to an empty house.

LIVED IN TAMPA,ORLANDO,, ARLINGTON TEXAS,OKLAHOMA AND ALL OF THESE CITIES HAVE MANYBREAK INS ON A DAILY BASIS AND YOU CAN;T TURN ON THE NEWS WHERE THERE'S NOT AT LEAST 2-4 SHOOTING EVERY DAY AND THE LATEST IS PEOPLE WALKING RIGHT UP YOUR DRIVEWAY TO CHECK TO SEE IF YOU LEFT A CAR OR TRUCK DOOR OPEN AND ALSO TO SEE IF UPS, USPS,FED EX LEFT A PACKAGE FOR THEM TO STEAL.
And many times the people that took care of their properties were the same ones that alerted friends when there was an opportunity.

DO YOU NOT THINK AN EMPTY HOUSE IN THE US THAT IS LEFT FOR WEEKS OR MONTHS AT A TIME IN THE US IS NOT A TARGET FOR UNSAVORY PEOPLE?



2. The people tolerate the expats for the money but really don't like them. The Costa Ricans are cordial and sweet people but they do resent the expats. I don't blame them really, but I don't want to live somewhere where they people don't like you because you are from another culture. I understand that people get tired of large groups of people invading their country. 3. The expats, this is area specific. Some locations seem to lure the unsavory high school acting expats - mainly beach areas. As always, there are some really great expats and some really dicey ones.

I HAVE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THE MAJORITY OF TICOS WELCOMED US AS LONG AS WE RESPECT THEIR LIFE STYLE, TREATED THEM WITH DIGNITYAND NOT LORD OVER THEM HOW MUCH BETTER WE ARE....WE'RE NOT.

4. The cost - the food prices are ridiculous and I mean Ridiculous. Try to go out to a restaurant - prices too high. I ate the typical rice and beans dishes all the time, but it was still too expensive for what it is. Costa Rica can be a really great place to live. There are many wonderful, beautiful and safe areas to live in, but choose wisely. If you have a ton of money and like being around other expats then it could be great. That is one of the things about being in a foreign country. You either go to a foreign country where they truly welcome you or you go to a country like CR because there is an expat population. You could also buy property and live off of the land. I think CR would be perfect for that.

ONCE AGAIN YOUR OVERLOOKING THE COST. FOOD MIGHT BE HIGHER GAS IS HIGHER BUT HOUSING IS MUCH CHEAPER, INSURANCE IS LESS, PHONE MUCH LESS, RESTAURANTS ION TOURIST AREAS MUCH MORE BUT I JUST DON;T KNOW WHY SOME WOULD WANT TO LIVE IN A TOURIST AREA AS THT'S THE MOST EXPENSIVE AND MOST CRIME IN CR, LIKE LIVING IN SOUTH FLORIDA MORE EXPENSIVE MORE CRIME, BUT AGAIN MORE TOURIST. YOU ARE RIGHT PICK OUT JUST ABOUT ANY OTHER PLACE IN CR EXCEPT TOURIST AREAS AND YOU FIND BETTER PRICES,LESS EXPENSIVE LIVING AND A PETER QUALITY OF TICO'S AND EXPATS. SO LETS NOT PAINT CR WITH A WIDE BRUSH.

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To Pombinha: You may have gotten residency easily, but many people do not. Other people have commented about this on this forum before. The four of us have been waiting almost 3 years. Crooked lawyer. YES indeed!!

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To Gill, GBP
How do you know that getting residency is easier now? Easier now compared to when? A year ago? a decade ago?
You state roads are good on Caribbean side. Hmmm. That is not what we noted. Roads near Escazu are awful - Highways with big gullies on sides of roads. Also, you seem not to be educated about parasites in your country. Please do some research on the topic and you will be aware of the problem. It is a very common problem. Let's be honest. You sell houses at Grand View Estates in CR. You have something to lose if you are honest. People are leaving the country and less are moving in.Everyone that runs a business in CR that is on this forum talks about how great things are in CR.

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I don't know anything about these parasites and I have no financial interests in CR.

I don't think about safety at all in the US. When my family goes on vacation the house is empty and nothing happens. I leave whatever I want in the car. Theft is NOT something you have to think about regardless of where you live. I don't know why people always try to make that point. It makes going to the beach solo a logistical nightmare (when there isnt someone working in the parking lot) because you can't get in the water....there's nowhere safe to leave your belongings if you are alone! For me it's the only major negative.

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Efna: INTESTINAL parasites. Research the topic and you will see how common it is. Many of you that live in CR know what I am talking about for sure. Kohl has mentioned it earlier about this in another post. It is becoming more of a problem in developed countries now because of world travel.

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Efna: INTESTINAL parasites. Research the topic and you will see how common it is. Many of you that live in CR know what I am talking about for sure. Kohl has mentioned it earlier about this in another post. It is becoming more of a problem in developed countries now because of world travel.

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Thanks fulloflife for a very useful post. I'm looking to move out of the States for many reasons, cost of living only being one of them. I do fine here in the States (so far), but I think it would be pretty cool living someplace with a more international flavor. As far as crime is concerned, like you, I can travel for a few weeks and not be concerned about anybody breaking into my place, cause nobody sees me as having more than them.
From what I've read, negative attitudes towards expats is becoming a serious problem in many countries for many reasons, some of them very justified. For example; if the price of feeding my family goes up cause the influx of expats has increased prices, I'd be pretty ticked off. If the price of renting a decent place goes up cause expats are willing to pay for it; that would be a problem. I have the chance live anywhere I want, but locals don't have that option. Frankly, if I was a local and had to steal to meet my families needs I'd do it in a heartbeat. But I wouldn't want to live anywhere where the locals feel this is their only option. Who would?

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Sorry for the long post. I feel that this is an important subject since it is so widely used.

Most sources agree that the use of the expression “Pura vida” in the popular sectors of the country began in the 1970’s. It is interesting to note that tourism was in its infancy at that time.

The economic sector of tourism began to develop in the 1980’s and the use of “Pura vida” spread to other sectors. It was formally recognised and incorporated into dictionaries in the mid-1990s and has since become Costa Rica's official motto. It would be interesting to know what popular sectors began using “Pura vida”…

In the 1990’s, everything accelerated and the government promoted tourism development on a large scale. One of Costa Rican Institute of Tourism (ICT)’s slogans was "COSTA RICA 100% NATURE", while slash-and-burn agriculture created a catastrophic deforestation.

The country promoted this image to attract ever more visitors with the slogan "Sin ingredientes artificiales" – "without artificial ingredients". Anyone familiar with agriculture knows the extensive use of pesticides and herbicides in Costa Rica. There is abundance of fresh fruits and vegetables, yes, however, they are not without artificial ingredients.

It is now common to find different kinds of businesses named “Pura vida”. Mostly touristic ones such as hotels, language schools, travel and real state agencies. Along with businesses and advertisement selling Costa Rica, the phrase is a must in souvenirs of all kinds.

When one does a google search of meaning of Pura vida, probably 95% of the results are sites promoting Costa Rica for economic reasons.

Some have given it meanings that are more personal interpretations than anything else, like this one from http://www.bestcostaricantours.com/about/puravida.html

"Pura vida! Means that no matter what your current situation is, life for someone else can always be less fortunate than your own. So you need to consider that maybe...just maybe, your situation isn't all that bad and that no matter how little or how much you have in life, we are all here together and life is short...so start living it "pura vida style".

Beginning to understand now, the true meaning of the uniquely Costa Rican term, "Pura Vida"? We feel that the more "foreigners" who truly grasp the concept, the better the world would be. Imagine if countries like the USA or Canada or in Europe started to live life like the Costa Ricans and adopted the pura vida lifestyle? Because honestly folks...no matter how much of a mess your life may seem, there is always someone else who's life would make yours look like a vacation in paradise."

Note: Maybe those foreigners left because they could not grasp the concept or maybe they left to implement the pura vida lifestyle in their home country???

http://www.vacationscostarica.com/travel-guide/pura-vida/ describes it that way:
"Pura Vida is the way Ticos live. They don’t stress about things the way most foreigners do. Ticos have a very relaxed, simple way of looking at life. No worries, no fuss, no stress... Although many people use the saying ‘pura vida’, until you’ve been to Costa Rica, you will not truly know what pura vida feels like. It’s an emotion, it’s an attitude, it’s happiness, and it’s a way of life. Once you’ve visited, you will understand the true meaning of pura vida."

Comment: No stress: Ticos don’t have to dish out thousands of dollars to obtain residency in CR and wait years to get it. They are not forced to pay into Caja. They don’t have to buy private medical insurance to get half way decent health care. No worries: They don’t pay taxes. No fuss: why bother getting a driver’s license or obeying the traffic laws, among other things?

http://retireforlessincostarica.com/were-costa-ricans-always-pura-vida-where-history-meets-the-movies/ writes:
"Costa Rica is a place where Ticos don’t have to worry about going to war or losing everything they own to pay for health care."

Note: They worry thou about being robbed by a crooked lawyer or break-ins. Otherwise, they wouldn’t have bars on their windows.

http://pocketcultures.com/2010/01/26/costa-rica-is-%E2%80%9Cpura-vida%E2%80%9D/ writes:
"So, if you want to know what living a peaceful, simple, uncluttered life with a deep appreciation for nature, family and friends, just come to Costa Rica and experience it yourself! ¡PURA VIDA!"

With violent crimes increasing in Costa Rica, I would not call that peaceful. Also, one has to ride on a bus or follow a bus to witness the deep appreciation Ticos have for nature, the environment and of their sacred land and see how food wrappings and other miscellaneous unwanted items are disposed of by being thrown out of windows. Did I mention that I know of a Tico hotel on a popular beach dispose of its sewage in the ocean?

I’m not denying that some of the meanings of ‘pura vida’ are genuine but there a lot of Ticos who are using the expression without giving it any thought, like Gracias a Dios.

Finally, the plot keywords for the Mexican movie Pura Vida at the origin of the popular idiom are: jail | hypocrisy | comedy of errors | clumsy |
Visit http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0048521/

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Yes, we have had them in the past as has many other expats and Ticos that we know, living in ALL areas of the country.

Doctors at both public and private facilities recommend that one should take a dose of the required medicine...

Doesn't mean you live in a bad place, but better to keep them at bay...

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I should have added, that you should have your water tested every year, both in the city or if you live near a farming community where cattle have been previous grazing, and before you purchase any property.

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Thank you GBP and Pombina and Oklahoman for saying a lot of what I was thinking. Having a hard time not responding to so many comments that attack my good experiences and beliefs.

Hey Pebblita, read some of this drivel and jump in.

1. Bluewind, Pombinha does not need to chill out. You said "it's pretty sick to make false claims about how great and cheap it is moving anywhere." We are not making false claims.

The people complaining about how expensive it is here, are trying to live a lifestyle like in US. Zip around everywhere in cars, eat in restaurants a lot, complete with drinks etc.

My husband and I lived very frugal in the US, but in spite of that just spinning our wheels financially.

In CR, we are able and willing to live without a car and be happy. In US, there are not buses and taxis everywhere. We don't spend on car insurance and high gas prices etc.

I am NOT advertising anything to take advantage of people.

I would NEVER steal to meet my needs. A BIG difference between me and you. God always provides a way to meet your needs.

Our real estate taxes here are about ONE TENTH of what we paid in US.

Our phone bill is a fraction of what we paid in US, and we had the cheapest there. But no we don't have a fancy phone. It is not a necessity for me to do my banking on the street and play on the internet on my phone.

Our water and trash bill are less than ONE FOURTH of what we paid in US.

Our electric is more or less the same, but we ran an a/c sometimes at night in US. But we have options on how to lower here.

We could NOT afford health insurance after I was not working. My husband was self employed, and we stopped when we realized we spent $11,000 on premiums and had a high deductible and never met the deductible. We could not afford medical care in US as they had high prices and did NOT help. In CR we have had care and is cheaper with private doctors. Have had procedures done that in US would have cost thousands of dollars, but here, only a fraction. And had good results.

We did not fork out $400,000 for a house. Just a fraction of that for a nice one. We found one we like better and rent that and rent out the other. But I am not sorry a bit.

We are blessed here. And that is not a lie.

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bluewind---
You said that you found the people of Costa Rica to be unfriendly. My experience is the opposite. I have travelled extensively and found the Costa Ricans to be among the most friendly people in the world. Visiting Costa Rica is different than living here. If you stayed in tourist areas, the prices will be high and some of the locals may, at times, seem rude. If you lived here, your experience may be different.
Costa Rica is considered to be among the happiest countries in the world. North Americans with the right attitude have a wonderful life in Costa Rica. Unfortunately, some North Americans come here looking for something different than what they had at home, only to be disappointed in these differences. Some "gringos" come here expecting everyone to speak some English, or accept dollars or serve the same foods they ate back home. Many Americans couldn't assimilate.
It takes a certain type of person to be happy living in a foreign country.
I have found that Costa Rica is one of the friendliest, most comfortable, cleanest countries to live in.

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Over the last couple years so many rules have changed in getting residency ---much easier now and not only did I do mine but we have helped our residents and it is easy--period. Ummmm--Caribbean side and Escazu?? What are you talking about? Route 32 is new and being expanded to 4 lanes--the whole road down to Manzanillo has improved 100%. Honest?? Lets see--I have lived here since 2002, traveled the whole country and I know of NO cases of parasites personally--does it happen?? I guess so but far from as common as you make it. You don't know me and to say I am dishonest just because I do business here is insulting and ridiculous. I have been married to my Tica wife for 15 years and I would imagine I know more about Costa Rica then you do---how long have you lived here and is your family Costa Rican??

Gill Phelan
www.gvecr.com

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Yepper like I have been saying on this forum for years!!---Lawyers are always involved in the slowness---funny how many we have helped in that were a piece of cake--wonder what the problem is? Could it be lawyers??

Gill Phelan
www.gvecr.com

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You are right about medical costs in US. Most expensive in the world. CR is cheaper for sure.

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I am not referring to the coast. I am talking about the Escazu area - There are deep and dangerous gullies on the sides of the highway. You would not see this in the construction of highways in US. Period!!
Let's not get defensive when people disagree with someone's point of view or point out something that a CR resident does not want to hear.

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Lets get this straight---in your insinuation I am less than honest because I invested a lot of money and 15 years of my life here is insulting and ludicrous. I live and work and invest on the Caribbean side---I may get to Escazu once a year and hate it. We have new roads, a booming economy, large town and new hospital so I could care less about your opinion of Escazu and it means nothing to us living on the Caribbean. You spread fake facts and yes I will defend the real facts. Oh my did you hear about the wildfires and landslides in California?? Bad place to live that country called the USA. About as silly as telling me about Escazu in relating to the Caribbean. Anyway back to the question--how long have you lived in CR? How long have you run a business? Is your family Costa Rican? Tell me that and we can judge who may be more able to tell the real facts to folks wanting to live here.

Gill Phelan
www.gvecr.com

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There are claims that Costa Rica is considered to be among the happiest countries in the world.
A United Nations new report ranks the happiest countries and Costa Rica is NOT among them.
It is not surprising because countries that achieved positive results have "high levels of mutual trust, shared purpose, generosity and good governance.

You can read who the winners are here:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/03/20/happiest-country-world-united-nations/99280014/

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beach1girl, the usatoday ranking only shows the top 10 while Tree hugger .com shows the top 20 and CR is ranked #12, amazing as all countries above CR are at least twice the GNP as CR, and personal income at least 3 times more. There are 195 nations in the world as of now and for CR to be ranked among the top 20 happiest in most folks opinion is amazing.

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The 2017 World Happiness Report for
2017 was just released, and Costa Rica
came in at #14. Panama was in at #25.
USA has never cracked the top ten.
worldhappiness.report/ed/2017/
Just more ways to track our choices!

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People sure do take things personally. Either they are former expats who had a hard time of it (who now harbor a deep hatred of CR) or they are still chugging at it and think that because it's THEIR paradise that it's everyone's paradise.

I often think an unfortunate timeline separates 1 group from another. For example, some expats are just hit with bad luck as soon as they get here. I know someone who arrived, got dengue, then had a break-in while he was sleeping....and the thieves carried machetes! It's not surprising that CR no longer equals paradise for him. On the other hand, other people who got in a few uneventful years BEFORE a tragedy are 1) more likely to avoid tragedies to begin with and 2) more likely to continue loving CR.

I find Guanacaste to be expensive. For me the only budget line I save money on is housing. Everything else is more expensive. I have a car and own a home. I'm much younger than most people on this site so I have no medical costs to compare, but there will be some savings there as I get older. Other parts of the country don't work for me because 1) I'm only interested in beach areas (otherwise I'd stay in the states) and 2) I can't live far away from an international airport and LIR has the best fares for me. I've never had parasites and I don't know anyone who has....although perhaps that's not something that people discuss openly. I don't need residency so those costs don't apply to me. Residency could be something I consider in the future.

That said, the only thing that could drive me away is if the crime in my area continues to rise. The community I live in is very proactive so hopefully that trend gets curbed. I haven’t had anything happen to me (*knock on wood*), but I’m very proactive about my safety and that of my house/belongings….although I do resent that I have to be so careful. If my little profile is anything like your life you may have a similar experience.

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It's me, Pombinha!
I deleted all the history and cookies on my laptop and when this Forum asked for my password I couldn't remember it!
They kept saying they would send it to my email but they never did!
I tried several times!
So I had to register again!
Well, lindylovesCR has already given the answer I was going to give to Bluewind!
I don't need to chill out indeed!
I'm not the one angry and bitter!
As for those who say it has been hard to get residency you should ask your lawyers why.
As long as you get the right documents and they are properly notarized (or Apostiled) authenticated and stamped and you make the required deposits in the Embassy of Costa Rica there is no need for delays!
All this involves a lawyer or Notary, Foreign Affairs and the Embassy of Costa Rica as well as their bank account.
I applied before I moved to CR.
Make sure your lawyer knows about the Immigration law of Costa Rica!
I didn't use my realtor lawyer for this purpose!
I used a lawyer who is an expert and that in fact helped write the Immigration laws of Costa Rica!
I also prayed to get approved as soon as possible since we were going to sell our house and get rid of everything.
One of my concerns was to get medical care (Caja) before we would lose our medical care in Canada.
Good luck!

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GBP - although I am very happy where I live and have no desire to move, you have consistently painted a positive and interesting picture of where you live and do business.

Someday may want to visit for the fun of it.

We agree it is a Pura Vida GBP.

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Many, many years ago, I got the intestinal parasites, but not once in 2-1.2 years since being here permanent.

When I got them though, I had eaten off the street in SJ. They used to make that caramel candy in great big kettles that smelled amazing and I just could not resist.

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Mate - when you said North Americans are looking for something different and disappointed - I personally think that perhaps they are looking for EXACTLY what they have in the US, only for a fraction of the cost, and are dissatisfied when they cannot have or find their every particular brand or thing that they had in the US. And for little cost.

And the scenery like the backdrop of Wheel of Fortune program that does not show the chug holes or bars on windows..

They are not willing to adjust or leave behind a single thing they are accustomed to having, and embrace the good here and a simpler way of life in many ways.

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Yeh! Pombinha!

We also believe in prayer, and sold everything in 19 days!!! Had a contract with cash buyer in a day and a half without a realtor. At a good price! God is able to make happen, in a supernatural way, what I could never do without His help.

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That is a good observation--

Gill Phelan
www.gvecr.com

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You need to be tolerant of other people's opinions. Let's not over react!
I don't care what you say about Escazu. I will probably agree. I am not defending this area either. Most people on this forum are nice, but some get so angry when people disagree. It is called INSECURITY!

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Thanks!! Yes when you live in a place with a volcano in the distance--Toucans and Macaws and Monkeys in your backyard with all the fruit you can eat how could that be bad?? LOL

Gill Phelan
www.gvecr.com

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About expats selling their property:
Some people who sell their condos and houses is not because they want to move back home!
We have 3 homeowners here who put up their condos for sale because they built and bought houses in another place.
In fact I find it amazing that 3 homeowners who had their condos in this beautiful complex decided to move to Playa Potrero.
I have never been there but next time when one of my children come (that's when we rent a vehicle) I would like
to visit that place to try to understand what is so appealing!
Maybe they want to be away from the tourists!
One put up his 3 condos for sale and they sold in a couple of weeks!
The other one took one year to sell it and one is still for sale!
Others decide to move to the mountains for fresh air!
LindyLuvsCR, I always ask the Lord to open the doors in our lives He wants to open and that no one can shut and to shut the doors in our lives He wants to shut and that no one can open.
We made some mistakes along the way like when we sent the down payment for a beautiful brand new house with 2 floors across from the ocean, 4 bedrooms and 3 full bathrooms in Roatan.
Later I started feeling uncomfortable about moving there.
We made an offer on this condo in CR we have now and it was accepted.The following day I found out I had cancer!-I asked the doctor to give me a letter!-I sent that letter to the builder and I told him I knew that by law he didn't have to send us back the money but that I would be so grateful if he did!
He sent us every single penny!
I prayed for him and I asked the Lord to bless him and his family because I didn't expect for him to do that!
I never regretted not moving to Roatan!
When you are making a decision and you pray about it and you feel disturbed about the decision you are about to make pray for guidance because sometimes those feelings of discomfort come from God!
Lindy, now I'm talking to everybody else because I know you understand about what I'm saying!

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Bluewind,
I can understand that it may be scary moving to another country when you live by yourself.
There is a lady who used to rent here in my complex who moved to Playa Hermosa (10 kms away) and now she is moving back here.
I'm so glad because she suffers from Parkinson's disease and even though she has a cleaning lady if she ever needs help with her groceries, laundry. takind her therapy dog for a walk, etc....we are so willing to help her!
We are like a family!
We also have a nurse who works for Cima (hospital) and she makes herself available to help those who need her!
I'm not saying you need to move to where I am but living in a gated community it also has its benefits!
I get the impression you already came to Costa Rica!-Exactly where?

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There are some things that I miss about Costa Rica. The beauty of nature. It is beautiful. The laid back attitude of the people. That is soooo refreshing. The people seem pretty passive, they never yell or get angry. They do talk about you when you walk out, but hey who cares. The only people I had problems with as far as attitude problems were with the expats. They always want to tell you how to live your life, so annoying. It is typical of Westerners. However, the poisoning of dogs (which is so common in many of these countries) is disgusting. So many locals told me that their dogs had been poisoned by neighbors. Things like that just gross me out. They won't go over and talk to their neighbors about whatever issues they have, they just do things like that. Also it is very true that Costa Rica sprays the heck out of fruits and veggies with a ton of chemicals. That is just like almost every other country except people are misled or falsely believe that Costa Rica is different in that regard. Plus, I never know if something is truly organic or not. That is why moving to Costa Rica and living off of the land or in a sustainable community is a great option for people that want to do that. I always did feel very safe in Costa Rica and I personally really enjoyed the locals. I helped them as much as I could and they appreciated it. They still look at us like we should help since we can, but since they have had so many of us there for so many years, they know that we are under no obligation. Many that have come before me, chose not to help in any way. In other words, I did not feel like they tried to take advantage of my generosity. I didn't give money, but I gave them rides or took them groceries and tried to save animals that needed to be rescued or paid for vet bills, nothing major. They knew that I didn't have that much to give, comparatively speaking. And so many expats do give so much. I was amazed. As much as I and others say negative things about the expats, because many are pains in the butt. However, there are many more that devote so much of themselves to making a difference. It was quite inspiring. Anyway, I do have wonderful memories and there are many pluses and minuses. It really depends on what someone is looking for. Bluewind, I am also searching for another country to move to. I do like Nicaragua, but I am not sold on it. I think Peru is interesting. Chile is popular. Argentina is great but also has it's issues. Actually I wouldn't mind revisiting Mexico. I know, everyone thinks it is so dangerous. Meanwhile, like any country, it is huge and there are some great spots. I guess the bottom line is there are so many, in my opinion, great countries out there so it is wonderful if we are fortunate enough to move and have the cajones to do it!

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The main reason people leave Costa Rica after building a big beautiful house is :
1) they didn't do their research first and didn't come here to live for a few months or more first as part of that research;

2) they didn't learn Spanish

Then there are those who:
* don't like the bureaucracy here with government and businesses
* get their house broken into or some other crime
* don't like the bugs or the weather or some other such thing (not all places have a bug problem; not all places have bad weather but some have both)
* some just prefer the U.S. and after living here awhile they want to go back.

Then the houses stay on the market a long time because there are so many houses and properties for sale here.

One reason houses don't sell is because Costa Rica used to be a lot cheaper to live here than it is now so many who used to be able to retire well on Social Security can no longer do so and another reason is that it is often harder to sell a house in the USA than it used to be so people can't move here and buy a house.

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Having read this thread it reminds me of the story about the blind men all describing the elephant. Each describes it based on the part of the elephant he is touching, and each part is very different.

That's the thing here: every part of Costa Rica is different and every gringo is different. Some people hate it and some love it.

By and large you get out of it what you put into it. If you treat the Ticos nice they won't resent you for the most part. There is always a percentage of bigoted people everywhere you go, though.

Costa Rica is not Paradise, but it can be pretty close if you move to the right area - the one you like - and you make friends and set up the life you want to have.

Too many gringos hang out with other gringos and complain about Costa Rica all the time, and too many gringos want Costa Rica to be just like the USA. If that's what you want, the USA is waiting for you to come back!

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I have read here that Ticos (locals) don't like expats!
I think that this statement is UNFAIR to the nice people of Costa Rica!
Ticos's jobs here in Playas del Coco depend a lot on tourists and expats!
Many of them move here from Puntarenas and other places (not to mention Nicaragua) to be able to work as security guards, gardeners, bartenders, waitresses, cleaning, grocery clerks, tour guides, etc...
Some have also opened their own business in our complex (front stores) and we have a Soda, a Pizza place, ice cream store, furniture store and a grocery store.
None of them is owned by gringos!
One of our Tico friends also opened a grocery store nearby!
That believe (Bluewind) that Ticos steal when they live in touristic areas because they can't afford buying food is ridiculous and it's very unfair and offensive to the people of this country!
We have helped some families and they are always very grateful!
Yes, we have given money to a man who recently passed away because he was in a wheelchair and we also gave his family groceries and clothing.
We gave all our furniture to the guard and the gardener.We gave all our appliances as well including the 4 burners in the kitchen and cupboards.
We renovated our condo and bought everything brand new!
We bought T-shirts and caps from Canada and children stuff and our Tico friends are very appreciative!
There are people to whom we have never given anything and yet when they see us in town they come to greet us!
Every time I go to Ebais the people waiting for their medical appointment are very talkative and kind.
I went for an electrocardiogram and again the locals were very friendly to me and we were talking and laughing.
The cleaning ladies who work in the complex and other who used to always come and give me a kiss when they see me!
I always find it amazing when I hear people shouting my name from everywhere, such as: the employees of San Carlos Hardware, the guys who work at Coconutz and Zi Lounge, the husband of a woman who used to be a cleaning lady here, taxi drivers, etc...
Like Jesus said, we reap what we sow!
Pura Vida!

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My Spanish neighbor (from Spain) sold his condo here at Cocomarindo last year and moved to the Arenal area.
Now he wants to comeback to the beach area but not here!
I write to him in English and he writes to me in Spanish even though we both can speak both languages to a degree.When I don't know a certain word in Spanish, 95% of the time is exactly how I say it in Portuguese.
As you can see I'm not promoting anything because this is what he just told me in an email this morning after I suggested that he move back here.
"El problema de Playas del Coco es que hay demasiado turismo y la vida es demasiado alocada para mi carácter."
In English:
"The problem at Playas del Coco is that there is too much tourism and life is too crazy for my character".
However what I like about it is that our grounds and pool are awesome! Then we have the beach around the corner.Outside of our gate is not too appealing at all because some houses fell apart in some earthquake many years ago and have never been restored. However I enjoy watching the chickens and roosters and mokeys and talk to the locals o our way to the beach.
Then not too far away we have the main street with many restaurants, bars, casinos, ice cream place(Italian), Sodas, artisan stores, diving business,tour offices, etc....
It's very lively not to mention the board work on the beach.
Of course there is also Las Palmas (north side of the beach) with many restaurants, pizza places,coffee shops as well!
So my neighborhood reminds me of my village in Portugal and the main street reminds me of my husband's hometown (a touristic beach).

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Yeah, been to Costa Rica a few times. It's been a while so I don't remember all the places I visited. San Jose of course I landed there. Tamarindo, and some other places where I did some white-water rafting (learned not to sit in the back!!), and did some scuba diving somewhere else. Also checked out the Arenal Volcano (sp). Had a great time, although I didn't find the locals very friendly, but that was ok.
I would of moved overseas a long time ago if I had someone to move with. Some guy from Nicaragua said that if you don't have family where you are moving to, if you don't have friends where you are moving to, don't do it unless you have a business there. Someone else shared that if your Spanish is not good, calling for help if you have a major health problem and talking to most people at a hospital can be very challenging.
I wouldn't be that concerned about these things if I knew people where I want to move to or again, if I had someone to move with. At 66 years old, I think these are real concerns although some people on this forum will attack me on these issues.

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Every persons situation is different and unique. A single person versus a couple obviously is different. And each location offers its own degree of difficulty. The day after I retired, I was on a plane to Panama. And I did not speak the language. I was single. I did select a location where I knew there would be other ex-pats. Panama was a great adventure, but it just didn't feel like the place where i just I wanted to settle. So, more research. Next stop, Lake Chapala in Mexico. In short, a great experience. Plenty of ex-pats to help get you headed in the right direction. A beautiful location, with perfect weather. And the choice is yours to hang out with the ex-pats or experience old Mexico. It is all here. You are only twenty minutes from a great airport in Guadalajara. Plenty of medical care, with most doctors speaking some English. No location is perfect, as it depends on your eagerness and ability to challenge yourself. But if you want just a little safety net, this location is hard to beat. Then, from this location, the choice is yours. In any case, do your research.

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Bluewind,
I believe most of us didn't have family, friends or business when we moved here.
Also: it's not like if no Ticos speak Spanish.Sometimes at the Doctor there is someone who can translate to others.
My husband has done it for another gringo and his wife!
Even some cleaning ladies speak Spanish. One told me she learned it in high school.
RobertG- I'm glad that you are happy where you are!

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Correction
I meant "it's not like if no Ticos speak English" (not Spanish).

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II Correction
I think the sun is getting into my brain!
I also meant that even some cleaning ladies speak English,

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Bluewind - I believe it depends on the area how friendly people are. We went to visit La Fortuna, and it seemed there were nothing but locals and tourists. When passing on the street, most did not look at you or want to talk.

In Grecia, the people for the most part are very friendly. Most Ticos greet you on the street, and want to talk to you. I know several singles, male and female who are very happy. A lady that is renting our house came here and she dove head first into meeting people. Within one week, people were inviting her to their house, and doing things with her, and going on paseos.

Most of the men seem happy, but some not so much. There are several that have drinking problems, and cuss like a sailor, and then wonder why no one wants to be around them. Some are very negative about everything. Like the expression goes, "Wherever you go, there you are." If you are sceptical and critical in the US, and have trouble being sociable, then you will have the same problem here.

All depends on how friendly you are. When you meet someone, that you would like to get to know better, exchange phone numbers and email addresses. In Grecia, all you need is to be friendly and it will be returned to you. It is a smaller city, so you don't feel lost.

If I were your age and single, I would not be afraid to move here. Make contacts immediately, and people are willing to help when you need it.

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Bluewind
I notice that you are posting on MANY other country's ex pat pages.Nothing wrong with checking them out..but I suggest 2 things first DECIDE or narrow down where or IF you think you would like to move THEN start asking same questions on different sites saves us all so much time wasted on people still in the dreaming stage.,Oh and BTW I don;t think yet you should be advising people where t live especially when you mention Guatemala (without not knowing (obviously ) how DANGEROUS it and some other CR neighboring countries are .,I know Portugal well since I am British and know most of Europe BUT as nice as Portugal etc..are ,,comparing them to CR is not a wise move In fact we have ex pats here who left Portugal to live here YES? Pompy? Do your homeowork bluewind by all means but try not to cover the globe with repetitive questions AND advice ..BTW Belize and El Salvador are also VERY dangerous .and even American Embassy advises nit to visit those and some other C.A Countries.I have been to all of these countries Have YOU?

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I can venture to guess that the Gringos who call Pura Vida PURE CRAP are those idiots over 70 years usually,who came here married a 22 year old gold digger who darined them of everything they own (There is no fool like an old fool" a great expression ... ..especially an ex pat who can wine and dine those Bimbettes and THINK the Bimbettes love the old geezers ... love them (oh their money Not LOL ) So bitter they are I know LOTS of them bitter and broke ...due to their own stupidity!

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Pebbalita,
I left Portugal when I was 25 years old to immigrated to Canada.
I love Portugal and I wouldn't mind to live there.
Like I said, here I like the sun all year long but I would never say never even now!

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I am jumping In..tho usually too busy to be here daily (sorry Linda that I may have missed you for lunch :(
and as usual "LindaluvsCR " ..I agree with all that you said in your post,,,
and YES Parasites DO exist but it depends on the cleanliness ( or lack thereof ) of the dining establishment.
. got mine from eating in a Chinese dump in San Jose ( I REALLY did stop eating when I saw a RAT under the counter nibbling on food ) UGH! and YES I stopped eating in Chinese restaurants... also when I found out on Internet that they Cook and skin LIVE DOGS ( much fresher they brag) cooked with mouths taped shut to hide the screams of agony. and cook with blow torches or skin them alive to throw in boiling water, etc,,,
Ugly videos to watch on Internet but at first I did not believe it,, so I googled it, and git sick)
And I agree with the poster that in CR Poisoning dogs is despicable, a notch higher than the Chinese custom mentioned above...
.Mine and friends dogs had dogs poisoned, an awful slow fate to the innocent dogs and cats.
I almost DIED of the parasites, with the doctor telling me to go HOME ASAP via Mexico which was only place to buy the drug that would kill them...I went home from my then vacation on a stretcher to San Diego and staggered across the border to buy the meds.I still have the old bottle in my med cabinet HA "incase" ..old maybe,but then so am I.. and still goodLOL
.BUT that experience did NOT stop me from moving to CR,.and a far as "Pomby's Playa de Coco's experience here .I have many Tica/ Tico friends BUT I choose them carefully and the first 2 years here my ex and I were referred to as the "Tontos " because we were at our neighbors disposal giving a free taxi service to town etc,,and My ex even gave the farm boots I bought him for working on the farm BECAUSE he got sick of one neighbor asking for them DAILY he finally took them off and threw them over the fence to him
:( He is a Tico who was raised in USA so did not like "His People at all" and did not want to move here ..My idea,. AND he told me that I was creating my own monster when, although crowded with guests in my then B&B I took time to make baskets of gourmet stuff for each neighbor on the street as we did then in England. End of story is that YES when on the Giving end ,which the "Playdel Cocos" seem to be . Most Ticos will Love yot to bits....
BUT my story was that when I stopped giving the baskets, and free taxi etc. to people who CHOSE not to work .(we found out that later) I became a hateful person to them my reason they knew was I was inHospital for 6 months in England supposed to die of cancer, but did they care?
It was Christmas time and my poor ex was alone on the farm trying to deal with my being in England for Cancer treatment for 6 months...They knew I was close to death and my ex was alone..Did ANY one of the neighbors ask if they could help feed our dogs or if he wanted a tamale for Christmas? Hell no! They continually rang the gate bell demanding to know WHERE ARE OUR CHRISTMAS BASKETS ?" a very good lesson which I hope you never experience..when and IF you stop giving. and the neighbors no longer love you... MY neighbors most of them anyway, now HATE me after there were no more goodies !
And as for petty theft, obviously Pomby you have never owned a business here where you need a maids help.. Only to pay them VERY well to steal everything in site , only one sheet and pillowcase at a time cos they only use one, but made my "set of sheets " for guests useless.I never let them MANY alone in guests rooms as we guests are in the habit of leaving money and valuables exposed BUT I lost anything personal and sentimental of value in the 22 years of my B&B experience which I loved despite the Kleptomania... DID all that turn me off CR Hell know t just made me more aware of how NOT to be a "Tonta." and I now get more respect but still do not hire maids here ..AMEN .

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Many changes have taken places in ALL of these countries over the past years, including Costa Rica, so unless someone has had a reasonable recent experience, their comments are no longer pertinent, especially to recommend that they should or should not consider living there.

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Blewind
Have you done aby reserch regarding the state iof the economy when it comes to selling houses AND the lack of Licensed competent "realtors" "here in Costa Rica PLUS the fact that loans are not and were not so easy to get hare as they are un USA..
economy and plummeting real estate prices and "gluts" on "unsaleable properties " because of economics ...and high interest rates as here in CR.

are effected ALL OVER the WORLD As for lack of professional "realtors" here ~They do not have schools as we have to attend daily for 6 months then take a battery of difficult teats on LAW, Appraisal, Financing , etc..(When was the last time a "realtor " in CR came and appraised your house for a true market value ?
NEVER ! because they were never schooled to do so. Ans as for the economy I was a professional RE Broker in Hollywood Ca in the 1970's And virtually No houses were selling , because bank loans rose to over 20% YES check it out.
So just like n Costa Rica all the "dead wood " salespersons dropped out of the business and left it to those of us who thought out of the box (I had my best sales year then selling many millions $$$ (newspaper clippings for proof) ) WHY? because I am not a quitter and considered my self a pro and designed ways to sell such as asking sellers to carry loans until bank Interest rates dropped ..and selling "lease options" etc ..etc. So my dear you should know all these factors should be taken into account when you and others say nothing here is selling ! a BROAD statement...and with lack of competent "realtors" ..makes it a reality. BUT things ARE selling I sold 3 of my lots in THIS economy sure less than market value but so what?
so please do your homework before stating the obvious that there are LOTS of homes for sale ,,mmm same if some areas of USA a while back eh? DUH!

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First, to clarify things. I have only posted on Panama, Costa Rica and occasionally Nicaragua forums. I wouldn't call that MANY but you are entitled to your opinion. I only mentioned Guatamala regarding countries that have people trying to move north for I'm assuming a better life. That's just a fact. Look it up. I never said anything about what it would be like to live in Guatamala or any other country for that matter. I don't give opinions on what's it like to actually live in another country when I haven't done it myself. I've always been honest with my posts and NEVER SUGGESTED I have lived in any of these countries and that I some sort of expert. Obviously people actually living in these countries would give the best advice. That's why I have posted on this and other forums, to get their advice, not give it. I ask questions, and mention concerns. Isn't that what this and other forums are about? If not, let me know.
Look, I'm sure this will make many people happy, but I'm done with this forum. Too many mean, nasty people here ready to attack a question or concern. Don't see this on other forums. It's like people are thinking, "how dare you ask that question or voice that concern". "I mean, who the hell do you think you are?" The ganging up mentally on this forum is pathetic.
I do want to thank those people that took the time to offer constructive advice. It was very much appreciated and helped a lot. Pura Vida.

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I also want to thank the person that mentioned Grecia (sp). Sounds like a nice place and worth a visit.

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LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I never said that houses weren't selling in CR. How would I know that? I simply asked why so many house were up for sale and why some have been for years.

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Bluewind,
Here where I live condos are selling very well.
I know a lot of Canadians who want to buy here and they come to Cocomarindo (in Playas del Coco) year after year but the Canadian dollar is really low right now.
However a Canadian online just bought 3 condos here.
I haven't seen anywhere condos for these prices!-That's why I didn't go back to Portugal!-The sun all year and the condo prices!
But the cost of living is lower there!

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This topic has been debated on several expat boards. I have read thru the postings above and some of you apparently have hit the nail on the head.

First, many people come here to live without first doing their homework or spending a "test visit" to see if they will like it. Second, as some have said, drop 20 people off in 20 different locations within the country and they will have 20 different experiences. It is a very "diverse" country in multiple senses.

As for the cost of living, that will depend on many factors: where you live; your lifestyle; your expectations; etc. Sure, if you live in a tourist area you are assured of paying higher prices for everything. It comes with the territory. Accept it. If you live an hour outside of a major city/beach town, prices will be Lower.

As for expats building large homes that appear vacant, please realize that there was a boom in development in CR before the stock market crash. A lot of people had dreams of making lots of money and hoped to flip their properties for large profits. When the market crashed, many of those homes were then listed for rent and the owners in many cases had no intent of ever living in their new dwellings.

Case in point: I recently bought land in a fairly large subdivision in a very popular beach town in Guanacaste. There are 7 or 8 major subdivisions in this town. My subdivision has more than 40 lots, most of which were originally sold before the market crash for very large sums of cash. Only 4 of the land owners have since built homes. Most bought land with the intent to flip it quickly. Market crashes, then land stays undeveloped and for sale. In the other subdivisions here, many of the homeowners also own homes in the US or Canada and only use their CR homes a few weeks a year and rent them out to vacationers the rest of the time. As a result, the local town has few stores that can survive on transient homeowners.

One issue I am not sure has been addressed specifically (only in a round about way), is to factor in QOL (Quality of Life) into any equation that evaluates living. QOL in CR is very high for me personally. My intent when I moved here, was to LIVE A LONG TIME. And that includes a long life at a high QOL. One cannot put a price tag on QOL. After all, isn't longevity and health prominent on most people's list? Isn't the area a Blue Zone? Aren't people here generally happy? Living a long and healthy life is high on my list. Fresh air means a lot to me as does sunshine and a slow pace. Talk to people who live in Seattle (as did my daughter for almost 2 years). They bitch about doom and gloom throughout the winter months. Talk to people who live in Toronto--you probably know a bunch of them as it seems most people in Canada do NOT like winter as evidenced as why there are so many Canadians and people from Minnesota and other cold weather US states in CR during the US winter.

To conclude, coming to CR to live without first doing "due diligence" is a recipe for disaster that will be propagated inappropriately. Every country has pluses and minuses. Choose a country that has the right balance for your personal living situation. Comparing life as a "surfer dude" in a surfer town to life in an area of older more established "seniors" is not a fair comparison, nor is comparing life in a resort area to life in a town far removed from tourism and spoilage of a large city.

Finally, if one moves here, stays here but complains all of the time, but continues to stay here, what message does that really send about where they live? I interpret that to mean that this may not be the best place on earth for them but it is obviously better than where they came from.

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Bluewind, I can relate to your situation a lot. I’m also single, male, 66 , know little Spanish and I’m seriously considering moving to Latin America, most likely CR. It’s daunting, sometimes terrifying to think about. Talk about waking up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat!
CR would be my third long distance move in the 8 years since I retired. I moved to Florida from chilly, dreary Seattle first but after five years I didn’t like the politics or the obsessive materialism so despite the wonderful warmth I moved back to the NW because it felt like home and I thought I could readapt to the familiar climate. I know now that’s not gonna happen!
CR has more of everything I loved about Florida--the warm climate (but without 4-5 months of stifling humidity) and the abundant (now dying) wildlife. For me the biggest problems are the Spanish language and the tremendous inconveniences and headaches (relatively speaking) of a developing country . A long time ago I spent five weeks traveling all over Ecuador, so I’m familiar with Latin American culture and I remember how good it felt to come back to the US.
That was then, but this is now and my priorities have completely changed. I hated my French classes in high school because they seemed pointless but now I’m embracing Spanish and I’m enjoying it because it has a point and it’s slowly beginning to take root. There is a satisfaction and a sense of power and confidence from this, something I didn’t expect from a formerly strong aversion to foreign language. All I’m saying is that if there’s a will there’s a way and good shxt will happen if you know and pursue what you most want and you don’t let your fears stop you. I haven’t once regretted any of the ‘crazy moves’ I’ve made under this philosophy.

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On Tuesday, we headed into the Central Valley to visit with friends. They met up with a 'neighbour' that has been trying to sell his home for the past two years. Friend explained that the couple had invested $900K and it was presently listed for $400K. The owner told us, plenty of interest at that price, however, everyone required financing.
Later our friends pointed out this mansion, complete with a spectacular view

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Bluewind, I can relate to your situation a lot. I’m also single, male, 66 , know little Spanish and I’m seriously considering moving to Latin America, most likely CR. It’s daunting, sometimes terrifying to think about. Talk about waking up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat!
CR would be my third long distance move in the 8 years since I retired. I moved to Florida from chilly, dreary Seattle first but after five years I didn’t like the politics or the obsessive materialism so despite the wonderful warmth I moved back to the NW because it felt like home and I thought I could readapt to the familiar climate. I know now that’s not gonna happen!
CR has more of everything I loved about Florida--the warm climate (but without 4-5 months of stifling humidity) and the abundant (now dying) wildlife. For me the biggest problems are the Spanish language and the tremendous inconveniences and headaches (relatively speaking) of a developing country . A long time ago I spent five weeks traveling all over Ecuador, so I’m familiar with Latin American culture and I remember how good it felt to come back to the US.
That was then, but this is now and my priorities have completely changed. I hated my French classes in high school because they seemed pointless but now I’m embracing Spanish and I’m enjoying it because it has a point and it’s slowly beginning to take root. There is a satisfaction and a sense of power and confidence from this, something I didn’t expect from a formerly strong aversion to foreign language. All I’m saying is that if there’s a will there’s a way and good stuff will happen if you know and pursue what you most want and you don’t let your fears stop you. I haven’t once regretted any of the ‘crazy moves’ I’ve made under this philosophy.

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Put me in touch with your friends with the mansion for sale for $400,000, I may have a buyer.

Steve@pacificlots.com

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As for $900,000 house sitting and now priced at $400,000, I would like to relay my personal experience.

I recently sold my home in Raleigh, North Carolina, and moved to CR. In fact, my home was on HGTV show Love it or List It (it was a home David shows to the couple who are renovating their home--season 13 episode Tree House Trouble "The Lake House").

My house was listed for $410,000. In Raleigh, most homes/condos under $300,000 are selling for ABOVE their asking price. Homes in the $300-400,000 range are moving at a slower pace. Homes above $400,000 are moving even slower. And homes above $500,000 are just sitting! No buyers or very few buyers.

So, the market in Raleigh is great for all property under $300,000. Not so for those above $500,000.

Now, in CR where I live there is a similar phenomenon. Condos under $220,000 are moving very fast and inventory is disappearing while homes above $450,000 are still sitting.

So, this situation seems to be very common. Any property that carries a huge/steep price tag will NOT sell in the same time frame as one with a much more achievable/affordable price for a greater percent of the population.

So, I do not readily accept the fact that this issue is solely pertinent to CR, especially when a lot of buyers in CR are using their property as a SECOND home or rental and likely will NOT be spending such big bucks or seeking a million dollar property.

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Steve, I have passed on your contact info.

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Thanks Kohl

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Bluewind there are always some people who are hard to get along with or have very strong opinions on these forums. Unfortunately this is common on many Costa Rica forums.

Try not to let it get to you.

I never saw any problems with your posts or questions.

It's a tough choice to move to a foreign country; the best way to do it - if you can afford it - is to just come here and rent for awhile and see how it goes!

If you are a super social person, choose a place where there's a lot of social life.
If you're not a social person try a place out in the country if that's your thing.
If you're a beach person try a beach.

Just come for 3 months and see how you like it. That's really the only way to know. If you can't do 3 months, do at least 1. Then do another later...

Also remember Costa Rica is full of micro-climates so even moving just 5 miles away may have completely different weather! Sometimes even ONE mile difference will make a big difference in weather.

Choose your weather by altitude: Sea level = hot and usually humid (unless it's Guanacaste, then it's dry like the desert); and 2500 feet altitude is cooler, and 4500 feet can get downright cold. Then there's wind; some places are windier than others.
Other places have fog.

Go visit and ask around then rent, then find out exactly what's what; that's the best way to know if Costa Rica is for you or not. You'll never figure it out, really, by reading forums. But you're right to start with forums to learn where you might like to try renting.

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wiltayxx - Florida was also a stepping stone for me and my husband. No way could I ever go back to cold weather.

And I have always had a problem with fear of the unknown myself, but I believe you have blown it up out of proportion. I understand it is a big step, but if you don't have a lot of baggage, mental or physical, it can be an exciting adventure, not a terrifying one.

But your statement that there is a TREMENDOUS inconvenience and headaches to me I don't quite get. Especially because I love it here. But just curious, what is that list to you? Because to me, it isn't.

And if you are feeling a desire and enjoyment in learning Spanish, it sounds like you are being drawn to Costa Rica. I hear and watch people being so analytical in where they should retire. But I believe that when you get knowledge of a place or certain location, you should follow your heart.

There will be people to help you along the way, but you need to take the steps necessary, one at a time, or you will be stuck in your bed, allowing fears to overtake you and freeze you where you are.

If you know anything at all about prayer, or even if you don't, I suggest you just ask God to help you.

If you should decide to visit or try out Grecia, Alejuela, my husband and I will help you make the transition a little easier. It is not as hard as you think. And if for whatever reason, you decide it is not your cup of tea, the planes go in both directions.

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On the subject of crime (wherever you live): I lived in an area of central Florida for five years that was much cheaper than so called safe areas because it had a bad reputation, but I could have left my doors unlocked--I didn't have one incidence, not one--nor did my neighbors to my knowledge. In Seattle I lived in an upscale neighborhood and had two break-ins in two years. I now live in a Portland, Oregon neighborhood (3 years) with a bad rep for crime and some neighbors have had some minor problems, but nothing serious. My point is that many people get hysterical about things they hear about ( e.g bad reps) and in MY experience there usually isn't much real substance to it. Of course you must choose your neighborhood wisely--there are definitely areas within these areas to avoid--but they aren’t hard to spot. I think it’s when you act unfriendly, afraid and suspicious of everyone that you begin to have problems. You need to know your neighbors.

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I contracted amoebic dysentery in Ecuador in 1985. Took eight months to find the right antibiotic. I was very careful, followed all the rules and I don't know how I got it. My traveling companion didn't. We were hiking in the Andes. There are much worse things around though--a friend in Florida contracted Hep C and spent tens of thousands of dollars trying to save her life. I think she succeeded because her parents had the money for the drugs. I've had food poisoning several times in the US--who hasn't? Just saying--it doesn't matter where you live when it comes to bugs.

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Unfortunately, it does matter where you are. It is more prevalent in third world countries.

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Lindy, I moved to Florida with PTSD, so yes, I was carrying a lot of baggage--I was fearful of almost everything. But I followed my heart anyway and it worked out, but not Florida itself. (The PTSD is almost gone, but will never be completely out of my life--it’s the way it works). I thought I could move back to cold weather, but like you--no way, despite 60 years of living in the Pacific NW. I can’t think of a better place than Costa Rica.. It’s been on my radar for at least 20 years.
BTW, I moved to Florida by myself and then back to the west coast (after five years) to a new area without really knowing anyone in either place. Believe me, it IS difficult and I know where Bluewind is coming from there. I was trying to give him the same advice you’re giving me in regard to fears. Costa Rica will be my third long distance move in about 8 years.
Speaking of Grecia, I booked a room in Grecia two days ago. I’m going to spend some time setting up a rental for next winter, most likely in Grecia because it seems like a good base to get to know other expats and explore other areas. I’d love to meet you and your husband. I’ll be in Grecia on May 11. How can I get in touch with you? My email is wiltayx@gmail.com. Bill

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Of course it matters. Malaria and Cholera are nearly unheard of in the states. The tropics are worse than temperate climates.

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Wiltayxx - Costa Rica was on my radar for 46 yrs before moving here permanently! Began at age 19! Came at age 66 I think and now here 2-1/2 years.

You did jog my memory when you mentioned moving where you knew no one, because I did that when I moved the first time to south Florida and knew no one. Plus the challenge challenge of not really knowing the area well while job hunting. I jumped into a church the first week, and to my surprise was someone I knew a little bit from Tulsa. But it was a big challenge. I ended up there the first time for 10 yrs.

Just got done about 6 weeks ago helping a lady. I had communicated on this site, she said, a few months ago. I don't even remember when or what I said.

But she called from another location in CR, and said she had just arrived. We met the next day in Grecia. We had just moved a few steps away from a house she ended up renting from us. We introduced her around, gave her some connections, and she immediately has made friends. The look on her face says she is doing really good.

I have known others that as a single came and knew no one. The key is, having a connection who will help you, and lead you to others who will do the same.

Am sending you a message to your email. Yes, we will be happy to meet with you. I believe that you will find that your jump to CR will be a whole lot easier than your previous experiences when you had no connections.

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Lindy, I moved to Florida with PTSD, so yes, I was carrying a lot of baggage--I was fearful of almost everything. But I followed my heart anyway and it worked out, but not Florida itself. I thought I could move back to cold weather, but like you--no way, despite 60 years of living in the Pacific NW. I can’t think of a better place than Costa Rica. It’s been on my radar for at least 20 years.
BTW, I moved to Florida by myself and then back to the west coast (after five years) to a new area without really knowing anyone in either place. It WAS difficult for me and I know where Bluewind is coming from there. And when you add language difficulties it’s much harder yet. I was trying to give him the same advice you’re giving me in regard to fears and anxieties--you mustn’t let yourself be driven by them.
xieties--you mustn’t let yourself be driven by them.
Costa Rica will (probably) be my third long distance move in about 9 years. Moving and settling into a new world will always be very stressful for me, it’s just the way I’m wired. I’ve always gotten very homesick in strange lands, but it’s really only a love for the safety of the familiar, not because home is better. It just takes lots of time for me to adjust. It sounds to me like you can relate to this.
Speaking of Grecia, I booked a room in Grecia two days ago. I’m going to spend some time setting up rental contacts for next winter, most likely in Grecia because it seems like a good base to get to know other expats and explore other areas. It would be fun to meet you and your husband! I’ll be in Grecia on May 11. How can I get in touch with you? My email is wiltayx@gmail.com. Bill

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That sounds great Linda!

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I love the climate in Costa Rica, but I don't know if I can afford to move there. The thing that worry me the most is that they require expat to participate in Caja which I have no intention to utilize due poor services compare to what I get in my State. My social security will be about $2000 and the Caja is about $200. This is a large chunk of expense that I don't have to worry about in the State. Is this Caja requirement concern anybody here? Is it one of the reason that expats are leaving? Thanks for your input.

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I am assuming you are single, and if so you will have no problem with caja. My caja charge was based on little more than $1000 per month, and pay for both of us about $44 a month. Even if yours is double, I don't think it would be $200 a month, but maybe someone else with closer to your pension amount can confirm.

My husband only used one time to get blood test which cost nothing at caja. Our medical expenses in general much much cheaper than paying any premiums and deductibles in US and we use private here.

If I were single and had $2000 month pension, I would move here in a flash. However, I am frugal, and prefer and do not have a car. And prefer to cook at home and rarely eat out. I don't need to zoom all over thew country, but you on your budget could budget for paseos if you wish. But also depends if you want beach living. Or Pombinha lives in Coco Beach where she does not spend a lot on her expenses.

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Unfortunately, you will not know what rate you will be charged until the last possible moment...even if someone was to post their same declared value for their application, their 'premium' will not mean that yours, will be the same.

Your choice of accommodations, lifestyle and location will be the determining factor in how much it will cost YOU to live here.

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I read at another blog (I can not recall which particular one) and it said that they just raised the rate for Caja substantially... maybe a year or two ago. It is a sliding scale based on your declared income, from 4% to 12%. Unless you are willing to be a perpetual tourist (which you have to leave the country every 90 days... a hassle to me), you MUST join Caja. I wish Caja can be optional for expat. I mean one of the reason I'm tired of the State is that there is too much government. I want to make my own choices as to who and how to spend my health care budget. Is there anyone sharing the same feeling as me? Can we organize a petition and tell the Costa Rican congress that this will actually hurt their program in the long run because I heard this is one of the reason expats are leaving.

Thanks for your input.

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GW..Depends WHERE you eat .I got the WORST king of Parasites in a Chinese dirty (I saw a rat later under the counter) too late! I was in my hotel room Hotel Grand Costa Rican where the angel Manager Francisco R,I,P. who became a DEAR friend .we lost you too soon Hon) After sending for 2 doctors ONE insisted that I go back to L.A. via Mexico where the ONLY drug to kill that strain of Parasite was sold (None here in C.R) He posted a maid outside my door TRYING hourly to pour some soup in my moth only to vomit it up.. We joked later after I had moved here that there was not a single Ginger ale left in that big Hotel as that is the only thing I could keep down .(sorry to be descriptive , so PLEASE do not pooh Hoo to parasites I am NOW ( almost not ) living proof of THAT .
SO Parasites DO EXIST.I was sent home finally on a Stretcher and as the Pilot personally came back to visit me while lying and heavung my guts out all the way to San Diego) He sympathized with me and told me as he had the same deadly parasites he got from also eating in a Chinese restaurant but that was in the USA ( I imagine the Health Ministry must let a lot of filth slide. I hope you never experience them, and to the poster SEE? not only in Costa Rica are Parasites.. so there!

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You could choose go to either Panama or Nicaragua instead.

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Ditto Lynda..I am also single (out of choice :) sometimes frugal sometimes splurge BUT That amount for a single person is WAY more than I live on...

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I pay only 18,000 for caja approx,$35.. but 26 years ago they were n=more lenient and it was not mandatory,It gets me by for all blood tests xrays etc and Dr visits every 3 months (unless and emmerency where then you are there and eventually get service .I personally also have many Dr friends which helps when I need to see them I get discounts BUT an excellent specialist usually is approx. $50 well worth it. Local Dr's charge as little as $20 to $40...(depending on your eye color LOL )

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In my opinion with your mind set you would not be happy in Costa Rica...

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...or even stay in the US of A...

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