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10/25/2001 01:27 EST

" II have tried to post this message a couple of times. I am moving to Denmark for a 2 year assignment starting in January, on fairly short notice. I am a single parent with an 8-yr old daughter. I think it would be good for her to go to a regular Danish grade school and I am told that there will be no trouble getting her in. She''s in an international school now because public education isn''t really an alternative in Indonesia. Does anyone have any experience with putting their young children in the regular ""public"" schools in Denmark? Are their any kind of ""bridge"" classes to integrate foreign children? Or are they just dropped in? Is their a big variation in the quality of the education for this age, like in the states? Oh, one other thing. Has anyone tried to live in Copenhagen without a car? I just can''t see paying the prices they want! I will live close to where i work, but what about the other stuff like shopping for food, etc. It''s not like the states is it, where you have to drive 25 miles out of town if you want to buy a shirt? Do they have clubs where you can work out in central Copenhagen. Does anyone know when they are open? I am looking forward to this assignment very much, a welcome change from Indonesia. "

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guest user
10/25/2001 04:09 EST

" Hi It is no problem living in Copenhagen without a car - it is actually easier, I think, as parking is difficult. In most areas grocery shopping and other shops are close by. There are buses and subwaytrains and most people use a bicycle for shopping etc. There are also fitnesscenters in town. They are usually open in the daytime and in the evening till perhaps 10 o''clock. Good luck, Catrine "

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10/30/2001 02:12 EST

" Hi Jack, You should really hook up with a couple of expat groups here in Copenhagen. I don''t have children so I can''t help you on the issue regarding Danish schools. AWC (American Womens Club) don''t let the name fool you, there are male members as well as non-Americans. Also LINK (Ladies International Network København) they have a men''s subgroup. LINK just put up a new website: http//link_settlers.tripod.com Regarding the bicycle thing...by all means don''t buy a car!!! My husband and I sold both cars before coming over here and we haven''t needed them at all. We live in the city and bicycle everywhere, or use the trains...the bus system is also very good, but I haven''t even used one yet! You have to be creative in getting your stuff home from the grocery store(bring backpacks!)but the challenge adds to the fun most times. You will really enjoy this city...plenty of things to do and very beautiful. Give those two groups a try regarding information about schools....many of the members have children and are very vocal about the school systems here. "

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11/1/2001 05:13 EST

" I''ll try that. Thanks. My daughter is having a bad experience at the international school here. Changing countries every 2-3 years is tough on kids and we found that the international school here tends to reinforce the worst impacts of this on kids. She plays a lot with two Danish kids about her age and I have observed that these children are exceptionally adroit socially, in ways I find uncommonly (for the US) refreshing. Their father and mother tell me that a major part of Danish grade school education involves teaching children ""how to be social"". My daughter is learning danish from these children and their parents say she is making good progress. So the two of us are optimistic she will find some joy and stability in a Danish school. "

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11/1/2001 13:25 EST

" Hi Jack, You actually have a number of topics here - but being a mother of 2 (a 9 yr. old and a 6 yr. old) who has been living in Copenhagen the last 7 years, I think I can ""assist"" you on most of them. Let''s take the grade school issue first: Once you and your children receive a CPR number, the equivalent to a Social Security number, you can pretty much enroll your children in any school. The forms are, however, in Danish so you will need some help filling these out. The first 3 years of public school - that is from kindergarten to 2nd grade - is focused on social interaction and learning by playing. A school day is only 4-5 hours long with the bulk of that focused on creative play. There are no report cards, no homework and no stress on the kids. Scholastic learning is very gradual and can seem slow in comparison to US standards. 3rd grade is when schooling really begins, while 2nd grade is something of a prepatory period for this cross-over. English is first taught in public schools in the 4th grade. There is offered a ""tutor"" for children with Danish as a second-language. In some cases, a school may have ""bridge"" classes. I have no experience with these options, but I do know that a majority of these students are of middle-eastern descent. This may or may not have a bearing on things. Nevertheless, language learning is usually a relatively quick process for young children. My son, who is now 9, began learning Danish at day-care. He was able to converse in Danish within 3 months of starting day-care. A classmate of his who came to Denmark from Estonia at kindergarten-age, was able to speak the language by the end of the school year without going to a special class or tutor (he was quite shy). All public schools have a after-school institution connected to them called fritidshjem. Some schools have an on-campus after-school program (called SFO). This is great if you work later than 12-1pm, which is more the norm than the exception. If the school uses a ""fritidshjem"" program, then kids from kindergarten to 2nd grade are escorted from school to another institution, where they really have the chance to play and be creative. No matter which after-school program you end up with, it is worth it because it is here that the kids really make friends. There are a number of private, non-international schools in the Copenhagen area, which may offer you a better teacher-student ratio, different curriculum and perhaps a higher percentage of foreign students. This could also be an option for you. Issue #2 - transportation: Do not worry about a car in central Copenhagen. It is faster and more convenient to use a bike. The bike path system here is fabulous, which makes biking also fairly safe. If you commute daily with a laptop and other gear it might pay to use the train and bus. Coverage by the public transportation system is good, but expect regular delays. You can bring your bike with you on the train for a nominal fee - outside of rush hour. Some companies/individuals tend to refer to any city or town somewhat in the general vicinity of Copenhagen as ""Copenhagen"" when speaking to foreigners. Sometimes the entire east coast of Zealand (the island on which Copenhagen is located), is referred to a ""Copenhagen"" for convenience sake. Therefore, let me say now that 15-20km away from downtown is the minimum distance in which rural areas start popping up and public transportation services start dwindling. Focusing again on central Copenhagen, I would say that the shopping possibilities are nearly endless and are usually well-placed. Grocery shopping can be a bit tiresome at times - refrigerators are, as a rule, small. This means no huge shopping tours, rather daily trips to the local market. As Christine said, you just need to be creative when transporting your goods. Cultural institutions, entertaiment, and nature spots can often easily be accessed with public transportation. If nothing else, taxis are readily attainable (less so on Thursday, Friday or Saturday nights). Issue #3 - Gyms: There is a cornucopia of gyms here in Copenhagen. Some are expensive, others really cheap. All have basically the same equipment, many of them with various fitness and aerobic classes. Most have business hours from 6:30am to 11pm (roughly). There is one located near Copenhagen City Hall, which I can''t remember the name of, that is open 24 hours a day. The most popular chain of fitness centers is ""Form and Fitness"", which has several locations in the greater Copenhagen area. There is one, called ""fitness.dk"", that offers babysitting. Fitness.dk was also where Mike Tyson trained when he was here recently to fight against a local boxer. Whew, I think I''ve hit all the points you brought up. I hope that it helps somehow. For more information, you can possibly contact the International Church of Copenhagen (in addition to AWC and Link as suggested by Christine). The church produces a handbook for newcomers to the Copenhagen area with a lot of practical information. Plus, it seems to be the meeting place for a number of expats (though I have never been there). If interested, the church office address is Gjoerlingsvej 10, 2900 Hellerup, Denmark. The telephone number is +45 31 62 47 85. You are also welcome to write to me at melanielaursen@hotmail.com if you have any other questions before or after your arrival to Denmark. If nothing else, I hope you and your daughter enjoy yourselves when you''re here. Sincerely, Melanie "

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guest user
11/2/2001 00:42 EST

" Thank you for your very concise answers and your time and effort to reply. It is good to hear from people like yourself in the immigrant community who know the ropes, since we expats are so impermanent in our outlook on, and knowledge about, the places where we live. I don''t want my daughter to adopt any more of that perspective than she has to. My biggest fear and hope is that one day she will say, ""Why can''t we stay, daddy?"" I wonder if I will ever find that place? "

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guest user
11/2/2001 01:19 EST

You might actually have that occur in Copenhagen! This is a wonderful place to live and the Danes are wonderful people. Good luck Jack!

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11/2/2001 08:41 EST

" I would assume that an expat''s outlook depends on the reason he or she has emigrated and how much he has resigned himself to the new country, its culture, norms and traditions. A child''s perspective is without doubt influenced by how a parent acts and reacts. As for finding the right place, there are few places in the world where your child will feel as secure and pampered as here in Denmark. The question is - will you find what you are looking for here. Many do. "

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