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2/12/2010 02:21    
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We are planning to move to Cuenca area probably September 2010. We are hunters and would like to bring a shotgun and a rifle. What are the laws. We have no problem with government registration or whatever they want, where can I go for info? thanks
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Although I do not have a gun and have no plans to get one, I did research this for a friend:

Here is the home page of the website of the government office that deals with firearms in Ecuador: It is called "Control Nacional de Armas", and it is a dependency of the Ecuadorian Armed Forces. http://www.controlarmas.mil.ec/index.html

Here is the address, phone number and email for more questions:

Ministerio de Defensa Nacional
Comando Conjunto de las Fuerzas Armadas del Ecuador.
Dirección de Logística
Departamento de Control de Armas
E-mail: comaco@...
Fono: 593 (02) 2 - 2956 - 188 ext: 25696

Here is the entire law as passed by the Ecuadorian Congress as it stands today: http://www.controlarmas.mil.ec/infoA2.html

Then click on the several "TITULOS" at the bottom. Below are the most pertinent Chapters:

Here is the specific Firearms law in Ecuador that tells you what is allowed and what is not: http://www.controlarmas.mil.ec/infoA2Titulo4.html

This particular section describes what calibers are allowed and their classification:

TITULO 4
CAPITULO I
CLASIFICACIÓN ARMAS, Articulos 14 to 20

The following part spells out in detail how to go about getting a gun permit in Ecuador.
TITULO 4
CAPITULO VII
DE LA TENENCIA Y DEL PERMISO DE PORTAR ARMAS, Articulos 75 to 90

You are allowed up to two guns.

Also Articulo 34 says that FOREIGNERS can import firearms classified as legal as long as they follow the above administrative procedures as explained in Articulos 21 to 33


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The requirements to obtain a "Permiso de Tenencia legal de Armas" in EC:

Para otorgar un permiso de tenencia legal de un arma, el Comando Conjunto exige a una persona natural: cédula de indentidad, papeleta de votación, libreta militar, récord policial, examen médico y sicológico, dos fotos de frente y dos de perfil, dos cartas de honorabilidad y una justificación legal que señale por qué necesita portar esa arma.

Adicionalmente, existen procedimientos para que un comerciante entregue un arma a una persona que la compra en los locales debidamente autorizados por el organismo pertinente de FFAA.

En el Comando Conjunto de las Fuerzas Armadas se encuentran registrados alrededor de 150 importadores de armas, de los cuales solo el 30% estaría en actividad.

Reglamentariamente una persona natural es autorizada para portar y utilizar hasta una pistola calibre 9 milímetros, y en revólver hasta calibre 38 y en escopetas desde el calibre 12 al 410. Este tipo de armamento es parte de la dotación de los guardias de seguridad privada. Los guardias privados que se dedican a la transportación de valores están autorizados a portar subametralladoras calibre 9 milímetros. Mientras tanto, existen regulaciones especiales para los deportistas que integran equipos de tiro: los nombres de sus socios son registrados en el Comando Conjunto de las Fuerzas Armadas.

It essentially says that you need to be: 1) EC citizen (i.e. because you need a Voters ID), 2) Cedula (National ID) 3) Military Draft Card 4) Police Background check, 5) Medical and Psychological tests 6) 2 pictures full face front and 2 from the side 7) 2 letters of recommendation vouching for honesty 8)Legal justification for the carry. The permits are issued by the Joint Military Command.

Calibers authorized are: up 9mm for semiauto handguns; up to .38 for revolvers and up 12 gauge for shotguns. Private security guards transporting valuables are authorized submachine guns up to 9mm.

(Note..if you are have a resident Visa in Ecuador, things like the voter's ID and military card are waived. That prerequisite even exists in driver's licenses, but obviously, if you live here legally, you are constitutionally guaranteed all the rights of citizens, however, cannot vote nor would you be required to register for the draft, so...)

The other way to keep them at home legally is to become a registered "hunter"or a "sporting shooter", although that is not a CCW,at least you get to have some protection at home if needed.


In Ecuador there are 111,373 legally registered personal firearms. And there are 52 315 civilian, 1 686 retired military and 308 collectors, who have gun carry permits (so many have two or more). Additionally, 50,470 institutional firearms are in the hands of private securiity firms.


Recently, I personally went ot the Comando Conjunto de las Fuerzas Armadas in Quito and got the forms to get a gun permit. It is not hard. Kind of like getting a driver's license. You just need to comply witht the regs and go through the rigamarole.

All the info about weapon ownership and getting a gun permit in Ecuador is contained in this website in the form of PDF documents in spanish:
http://www.controlarmas.mil.ec/pdf.html
and
http://www.controlarmas.mil.ec/infoA2.html - with its different Titulos I to VII . The main one is Titulo IV where it that addresses the questions on this topic.


Bottom line is: you can get a permit valid for 2 years and for up to two guns (say, a hanggun and a shotgun or a rifle, or two handguns or any combination thereof). One for personal use and one for sporting use. In special justifiable cases you can get two of each (for a total of 4). Cost is $20 to apply, plus the cost of a 144 question psychological test, and $25 for the permit card, two pictures, cedula, and two "good characyter" letters and a clean police record check. (I can see a problem here: no basic firearms training of ANY kind is required to obtain the permit.)

There are three classifications of guns for civilians:
1) Self defense, 2) Sporting and 3) Collector.

1) Self- defense guns:
- caliber limits for pistols: revolvers up to 38 spl, and semiautos up to 9mm (plus two magazines which are limited to 10 rounds.).
- Shotguns: 410 all the way up to 10 gauge. ( single or double barrel, pump or semiauto action, no full auto)
- Any other type of gun requires a Special Authorization.
2) Sporting guns;
- Everything that the self-defense provision say above, plus:
- if the handgun has a barrel lenght of 6 in or longer
- Rifles or carabines; 22 rimfire but not full auto (can be semiauto)
- Bolt action or pump action or lever action rifles.
- special limitation. Rifles: Cannot have any auto or even semiauto rifles of higher caliber.
- Black powder handguns.
- Any other type of guns require special authorization.
3) Collector guns:
- those that are destined for private or public exhibition, bit not for self defense or sporting use. (no special limitations on these)


You can also import firearms for personal and sporting use as long as you go through the required paperwork drill and pay the Customs duties. The same caliber and gun type limits apply. It's all in the regulations in that website above under
http://www.controlarmas.mil.ec/infoA2Titulo4.html go to Capitulo II, art 21 and 25.

I am planning to get a permit when I finally move to EC. I have owned and legally carried a guns pretty much all my adult life. I am also a licensed firearms instructor and a gunsmith/ armorer plus a competitive shooter. Not that that matters much in Ec, but I know my guns.

As far a having to shoot someone in self defense, I have not problem with that if it involves protecting my life or the life of my loved ones. Legitimate self defense is recognized in Ec courts. Sure, I will probably be detained for further investigations and declarations, but I, - and my loved ones - , will be alive. That's all I care about. If it comes to THAT choice, the choice has already been made in my mind.

I talked with a non-citizen but legal resident chinese shop owner in Quito who was a victim of a home/store-invasion robbery. He and his family lived upstairs from his store. Two armed robbers came in a held up his wife and 2 children in the store downstairs. He heard the conmotion from upstarirs and took his legally owned and permitted gun and shot the two robbers. He wasn't charged, or jailed or anything.

In August 2008, I went ot a gun shop in Quito and the guns (both handguns and shotguns) are approximately 300% of the price in the US, and that's for Brazilian (Mainly TAURUS) and Argentinian brands, even more for the few American made guns. There were a few used guns for sale also, but they looked to be in sorry shape. Ammo is also insanely expensive, a box of 50 rounds of an unknown brand of 9mm or .38 Spl is $90.

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2/12/2010 16:59    
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Unfortunately licensing of weapons in Cuenca is still on hold. The licensing of firearms was transferred from the military to the police, but the transition has not been completed in Cuenca.

I am told that it has been in Guayaquil and Quito so there you can get a license. At this time you can legally purchase guns that have already been licensed and have it/them registered to you by a notary but a license is not available. I recently purchased a Glock 9mm and a Mossberg 12 ga this way from a dealer here in Cuenca.

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2/12/2010 17:36    
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I have heard of a highly restricted, program of hunting on the Galapagos -- a form of eco-hunting to control the non-endogenous species of wild pig that are over running some areas and effecting the natural eco systems.

If you are interested I can make inquiries about an invitation to the next planned hunt.

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2/13/2010 06:03    
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Last I heard about two months ago it was illegal to import guns into Ecuador, and it was listed as an excluded item on the list of items residents could bring into the country. Also, rifles were not permitted, only certain handguns and shotguns.
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2/18/2010 00:33    
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I cannot see why anyone would want to proliferate the ownership of guns in Ecuador, unless you want to use them for self defence. If you did kill or wound someone the consequenses for a gringo would be grave. If anyone knows of any such case please post it. Why do you want to come to Ecuador anyway if you want to kill the wild life? Why not stay at home and shoot up the neighborhood.

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2/18/2010 10:55    
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Ferry, you are so right! Thank you for making that comment.

By now in this day and age, "Hunting" animals should really be 'out of style,' and I personally cannot fathom how it can be "fun" for anyone to do so --especially since so many species are going extinct. How can you look into the innocent eyes of any animal and kill it! I could not. Do we really have the 'right' to do this (when we are not hungry)? I know alot of people will disagree with me on this one! That is one of the reasons that I am 99% vegetarian for most of my life, although not the main reason. And, yes, I know cows and other animals are raised to be killed and eaten, although I think people eat far more meat than their bodies need and is healthy.

We have many wild animals and domesticated ones on our mountain and despite the advice that "armadilla stew" is delicious, I would never kill one of the hundreds that live up here.

Also, remember: Guns = bad energy and/or potential danger. Somehow in the invisible metaphysical world, this instrument that is used for pain and death and destruction (even in hunting) cannot possibly have a good magnetic energy for "the light" and can possibly be a magnet for darkness and violence--possibly calling it to us. That is why we do not have any lying around, despite the fact that we do live on a private 40 acre mountain, 15 minutes from town, and it could be considered to be 'remote'....'out of the way.' Some Ecuadorians have told us to get one and the majority have said not to get one. In hindsight, I probably should not have even posted the information that I collected some time ago on gun laws... I agree, some may need it for protection though.

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2/18/2010 12:50    
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So, let's say a person does go to all the work of being able to have a gun to hunt in EC ... and not for self-defense which has shown itself to be a pretty bad idea here in the US .... Where would the gun owner be allowed to hunt? I saw comment on eco-hunting in Gallapagos .. but are there hunting reserves? Can landowners authorize hunters on their property? Just wondering ... no, I'm not a hunter .... but IF it is for food ... IF it is not an endangered critter ... IF as much of the animal is utilized as possible (not trophy hunting) ... then I can see it ... especially if meat is going to be part of the diet ... why not be 100% responsible for what is consumed.

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2/18/2010 14:14    
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Clee---Ecuador doesn't give out "hunting licenses" and there are not 'hunting seasons' here that I know of, and no game preserves that I know of either. Yes, they were offering permits to hunt on some of the Galapagos Islands to keep the herds of non-indigenous animals down, animals like goats they say are upsetting the natural balance there. I can understand that.

People out in the campo in the provinces, mainly just go out to "a mountain" and shoot rabbit, or possum or whatever else. They probably hunt wild boar down near the jungle. Usually it's on other people's private land and is hard to keep track of. I've never heard of anyone getting in trouble here for 'hunting.' But it is dangerous as they could shoot at anything--and it could end up being a person.

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2/19/2010 20:21    
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Samandali. Here is a list of some animals in Ec. Please indicate which ones you would like to kill.
Andean Fox, Puma, Spectacle Bear, Tapir, Iguana, Tortoise, Caiman, Jaguar, Ocelot, Monkeys, Sloth, Anteater, Otter, Armadillo, Deer, Llama.
Why do you feel the need to kill living things? Do you feel thrilled when you end a life? Let me tell you that if you carry a gun, someone will eventually shoot at you. Yes guns do attract negative energy. We try to live life in Ecuador on a higher plane and marvel at the diversity of life. We can do without the baser instincts of the human race.

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2/19/2010 20:23    
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Boncur. An English guy was killed down on the coast recently by a land owner who "mistook" him for an animal.

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Hi Ferry:

Do you have any information on that? I live on the "coast" and am pretty involved with the Ex Pat community here and we heard nothing about this. If it involved a foreigner it would have been published somewhere, at least by the embassy. Do you have a link perhaps?

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Ocean Hidaway: here is a specifc link, followed by a list of all links to the shooting. It occurred in Feb 2009 at El Palmar near Pedernales.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/feb/25/british-conservationist-dies-ecuador

List of links at this site.
http://www.javno.com/en/minute-by-minute/article.php?id=968362

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2/19/2010 23:29    
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Susan and Ferry, You know, I actually remember coming across that story, I think it was a few months back or more and I remember something about the tourist being out just hiking. I think it was a story that my Google alerts picked up and of course, things like that don't usually get alot of press. I am going to go back and look for it when I have time, I save all Google alerts.

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2/20/2010 01:14    
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Based on the information provided I did a search on Google:

Perhaps this is referring to the sad case of British conservationist Ben Samphire, 31 who was fatally shot after being mistaken for a thief by a landowner in El Palmar last year (Feb 23, 2009.)

El Palmar is in Manabi, a rain forest area where the late Mr. Samphire was traveling and studying primates and their habitats.

(information from the www.timesonline.co.uk)

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2/21/2010 20:15    
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Just go to the links I posted above and you will see.

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2/22/2010 13:18    
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Thanks Ferry.

Appreciate your taking the time to post the links. It adds important information to the Forum.

Be well,

Susan
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2/22/2010 16:21    
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Hi Ferry,

I hope you are a vegetarian like Boncour to make an offensive statement like in your last 2 posts.

There is nothing wrong with hunting if you can't find what you are looking for in a grocery store. And in a grocery store you will find an array of meat that came from suffering animals that never enjoyed a quality of life.

For consumption purposes, to each their own. You shouldn't criticize someone for it, least of all compare this to "shooting up a neighborhood".

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2/22/2010 20:26    
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My "offensive statement" hit the target and offended those who I meant it to including you.

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You're right, it does offend me.
It also offends those who post seeking information, not opinions.

This forum is for information. Everyone should feel comfortable asking questions, no one should ever be put down for doing so.

Many people post here from different backgrounds, interests, cultures and preferences. You don't get to put them down in such a vulger abusive way.

I vote for both of your comments to be taken out of this post.

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2/22/2010 22:00    
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Ferry .... this is an information forum ... yes, we tend to make our positions known, but you are being agressive and offensive. Please knock it off.

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I can understand the aprehension of someone not liking to "kill" animals but do not agree.

We have a self sustaining organic farm near Pacto, Ecuador where our farms serves as our "supermaket". But....wild pigs and an animal called "guatusa" eat our yuka and morocho production to where we cannot grow anything! So....we "hunt" these animals so WE can eat.

The guatusa is actually a very healthy animals that only feeds on yuka and avocates.

If anyone would like to live out in the country and see what it is like to "survive" in nature...you might understand the farmers predicament.

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I just go briefed by my neighor last night out at our farm that the gun laws have changed in Ecuador and may change again.

It USED to be very liberal here but they are starting to clamp down. I would not advise bringing guns into the country and purchasing them here is stiall accesable but there is some added paperwork.

We hunt wild animals on our farm to protect our crops and eat what we kill. We use shotguns that are purchased out in the countryside where no paperwork is required.

I will be glad to answer any questions you have.

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Thank you for your response. I didn't know I had any posts until I ran into the website again. Do you know what kind of bird hunting they have? Also are there any deer? Thanks, allison

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I would hunt deer because I love to eat deer, not a trophy hunter but love wild meat. and oh by the way where do you think meat you buy in a store comes from? can you live with your self when eating a burger knowing a soft eyed cow gave her life for that??? and as for you dumbass's that think guns make you less safe read some stats and quit making them up for Christ sake

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Also not to be discounted is that sad eyed cow had a truly hellish existence on every level if it was raised on conventional US style "meat farm" and the deer was healthy and happy right until the very end. I believe that has a huge effect on the quality of the meat. Wild or pastured and grass fed the only way to go in my book. But of course I am a woo-woo hippy idiot vegetarian so what do I know???

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12/3/2013 16:00    
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Old Cowboy I'm with you pal. I wear a gun when I'm at work and two when I'm off (Cowboy Mounted Shooting). I wish I could start this sport in Ecuador.

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12/3/2013 18:11    
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Nothing wrong with hunting…….I returned in part to visit famly and friends, in part to hunt……..and out here in the country, there are plenty of animals that simply need killing…...

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12/3/2013 20:56    
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Well OH EM GEE...did mildoc just admit he returned to his be-hated "USSA" becuase he likes to hunt? which is not something he can do here in Ecuador???

...wait are those pigs flying ???

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12/3/2013 21:54    
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Don't you get tired of picking out the pellets out of whatever it is youre shooting? What isit that you are shooting anyway? Small game? Big game? Birds? Tapisquently? Deer? Where in Ecuador are you?

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12/4/2013 22:41    
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As for flying pigs, I recommend shooting them with a 12 gauge shotgun loaded with 00 buckshot. Give them about a 3 foot lead, they go pretty fast.

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12/4/2013 23:04    
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And never shoot when heading towards you overhead -- unless you have a really large umbrella.

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12/5/2013 11:42    
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Never said I hated the USSA, in fact I love my country…….a certain aspect of it, not…….

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A couple of questions =
1) Are these rules PER PERSON or Per Family?
2) Do you need to be a citizen or just a residence to own a gun?

My husband is a member of a "cowboy shoot organization" (not mounted as above) and a licensed gun seller (probably not the correct term?)

3) Are there Gun Clubs in Cuenca?

We do NOT feel the NEED to have a gun for protection in Cuenca but it is just something we both have always had.

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12/8/2013 14:38    
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Ecuador is NOT a gun owning culture and you may not bring guns or ammunition into the country. If you manage to obtain a gun and shoot an Ecuadorian for any reason, that thing you will be sucking on in prison will not be a pina colada.

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Contrary to Casadecuenca, you can get a permit for a pistol in Ecuador, not easy and you are restricted to keeping it in your house. There are other limits with the pistol as well.
He is correct in Ecuador not being gun friendly now……I am not sure about long guns; but have noted some hunting with shotguns……
As for needing a weapon for self defense, it is important to know the laws and how it applies……

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12/8/2013 18:08    
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I did not say you could not get a permit in Ecuador, I said that you are not permitted to import guns or ammunition. I also do not believe hunting of wildlife is permitted in any fashion, they are constitutionally protected

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12/9/2013 06:11    
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At least you are consistently wrong………it is possible to import your weapon here……along with a limited amount of ammo (roughly 100 rounds)……the process is difficult and for me, it was not worth it as there are other options available for defense that are far easier.

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As for hunting…travel the back roads during rainy season and you will see shotgun toting men on occasion and people selling what appear to be some type of migratory bird/ducks for sale along the roads in the rural areas.
So it is only wild animals that have protection, or is it cats, dogs, bats, cows, pigs, chickens………the many serpents, are they also protected? How about rats?
I don't wish to violate any vermin's rights now, do I?

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The answer to your questions is no. You cannot import guns into Ecuador or have them here. If that is an important part of your life and you feel you need to have one or more you may want to search elsewhere for a place to relocate.

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Lots of conflicting "facts." My understanding was that I cannot bring my guns here. Period. But it appears that with a lot of hassle it's possible but perhaps not worth it. That's not the main issue, though - It's a running joke here that the criminals have more rights than the victims. From my Ecuadorian wife and friends - If someone enters your home at night and points a gun at you, if you shoot him first you go to jail. If he shoots you first he either doesn't do any time or just a short token time. There's another joke about a criminal coming in and shooting, robbing and raping in a home and getting away. The police were called and got there in about an hour, and said there was nothing they can do. On another occasion a criminal enters a home and in self-defense is shot by the intended victim. Within five minutes the cops are there arresting him, along with helicopters, the media, etc. But that's a joke. Right?

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12/9/2013 20:14    
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shoot first and then bury, you may have to shoot your dog also or he'll dig the body up, hell he's just a dog looking for a bone.

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12/11/2013 07:27    
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To heck with the guns -- dogs...big, dark colored fast dogs... that bark.

And they take care of the body ...they drag them to the neighbors house. Dogs are intelligent animals.

Naturally ...you train them never to eat from strangers!

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12/11/2013 11:08    
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Ocean Hideaway, I´ve been waiting for you to say that. I heard it coming!

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Good thing we aren't in the USA. There, the BATF and FBI come with snipers with silencers, and the first thing they do before they break into your house is shoot all the dogs. That's after they sent an undercover agent to get you to sell them a shotgun with a barrel that is 1/4 inch shorter than Federal regulations. This gives them "cause" to perform a military-style assault your house and family. I'll stay down here, thank you...

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12/12/2013 00:14    
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Personally I am protecting myself from the ladrone on the beach who is deciding which house to send his friends to break into for Christmas --

...like the one who was walking around the base of our cliff at 4 am on Monday morning.

Nope nothing a like a set of dogs ...who start up barking with the rest of the dogs.in the surrounding homes ..and then. tthey took off down the bluff and ..well...nevermind

Monday was a good day -- the dogs were ...well exercised and content.

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Hi mappam I assume you husband is a member so SASS. So am I but I a mounted shooter. My AKA is El Caballero. I'm very interested in knowing more about trying to bring the sport to Ecuador

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