A great many towns and cities get their water from mountain springs. The problem is that the water is then piped through old tubes which run side by side with the sewage pipes (in the same ditch) and sewage treatment lags in Ecuador. In the past Flouride has not been added to the water. The only way to know for sure is to ask the water company.

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I have never been able to find toothpaste in Ecuador that does not contain fluoride

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I am curious if you have found any more info on the fluoride in water question?

If so I'd love to have any data you've found. as far as brushing teeth have you tried baking soda? works great, add some essential oil and or sea salt . ciao!

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Although from an early childhood we are thought to brush our teeth with it, toothpaste is not a must. The ( wet or dry) toothbrush alone will do the job !
The "toothpaste" with a slight detergent, and an "abrasive" effect, (due to silica - sand) present in the mixture, and the "mouthwash" have more of a.... "psychological effect". The menthol in both provides that 'cool" sensation which is equated with "cleanliness". The "main" "mechanical action" is provided by the toothbrush.
Aside from that the toothpaste contains several ingredients which on a closer analysis I'm not sure you want in your, or your children's, mouth. Especially since small children will swallow certain amounts of toothpaste. In fact if you endeavor to read the small print on the toothpaste tube, you'll see that it's recommended FOR ADULTS,. and ...CHILDREN OVER 12 YEARS OF AGE. Wonder why ?
Toothpaste contains also a whole array of additives.
Amongst them, Sorbitol, Sodium Carboxymethyl Cellulose, Aluminium Hydroxide, Sodium monofluorophosphate, Strontium Fluoride, Zinc Citrate, Sodium Saccharin, Dicalcium Phosphate (used as friction agent ). Sodium Pyrophosphate, Sodium Fluoride, Titanium Dioxide, Nano silicon dioxide, Sodium Monofluorophosphate, Kappa carrageenan powder, Zinc citrate trihydrate, Sodium Glycinate, to name just a few.

Seldom will you find "non fluoridated" toothpaste.
However, if you want to avoid the "fluoride" component, you can brush your teeth simply just with.... the toothbrush and ...water.
The main thing is.... TO BRUSH THEM ! ( 4-5 minuets at least ) and to do that.......
AFTER every meal !!!

You may add ordinary "baking soda" (NaHCO3) to the surface of the toothbrush if you want.
The advantage ?
It has is a mild abrasive action and is also "neutralizing the acidity" of the oral cavity to a great extent.
You can also rub the bristles a few times on an ordinary bar of hand soap before brushing. From a detergent /degreasing standpoint the hand soap beats the toothpaste by a mile, although just the toothbrush ( without anything else) will do the trick
Make sure that, when you use soap, you.... "only breath through your nose". That will keep your throat closed, and prevent you from swallowing the suds. :-))

Rinse copiously after, to get rid of the aftertaste, or use some mouthwash ..... and bingo ! Your teeth are clean !

Of course an important point is..... "flossing regularly". If you don't, it really doesn't matter how well you brush. Fragments of "meat" primarily, lodged in between teeth will do the trick in promoting demineralization of the enamel, at the contact point, and, in the long run,..... get you an appointment with the dentist :-)).

"Fluoride " in the drinking water" ...... "good to prevent tooth decay" is ... not true !!
The only time "fluoride" may have an effect is when "topically applied" yet you will do perfectly w/out it, .... as long as you keep "a rigorous oral hygiene".

In so far as finding out if the water IS treated with hydrofluosilicic acid ((H2SiF6), silicofluoride (H2SiF6) and/or Sodium fluoride (NaF) you may call the water department at the Town Hall. They should be able to tell you what they add to the drinking water and also what the mineralization, Ph. and bacterial count is. In case they add "fluoride", a "reverse osmosis' filter will be the only solution to remove it.
The problem is that the filter will also remove other minerals, yet that could be fixed by adding some "Himalayan salt" to the filtered water.

It would be interesting to find out where you have around Cuenca ( and I'm sure they exist ) "natural springs" which people have used for long time, and are still using today.
You may buy some containers ( 5 or 7 Gallon stackable containers ) and use the spring water for cooking, drinking, brushing your teeth, making juices, etc. etc.
You'd like to know though the mineralization level, the Ph. ( neutral or slightly alkaline preferred ) and the bacterial count of the spring. Also you want it far from pastures, or any other places where animals, or human activity, exist. The Ph. and minerals level you can test yourself. For the bacterial count you'll need a specialized lab, although if it is a "mountain spring", or if the water comes from a deep aquifer you may be sure that the count is zero.
To be really sure you may use the "Steripen",... something good for any traveler to have in his/her backpack. ( see links)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9Zp2OAZnww
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvXUf991tlQ
In fact is good to have one in your home anyway, when in case of an earthquake, or any other disaster, the integrity of the "water lines" may be in doubt

If you use the water in 3-4 weeks you don't need to treat it. If you want to keep it for longer periods of time, ( up to 5 years) adding a few drops of ordinary bleach ( Sodium hypochlorite - NaClO ), NOT THE SCENTED TYPE, or buying the "food grade type" from any pharmacy, (recommended) also known commercially as "Hygeol" (5% solution), will do the trick. Dropping in it a "silver coin" ( .999% or sterling silver .925%) will work equally well.
And then.... you have the Steripen ! :-)))

If you really want to get into water testing there are a few cheep tools you may buy and use to test pH, level of mineralisation, etc. You can Google them, ( ex. water testing implements)

The only thing with the "spring water", you may want to make sure that it does not "naturally" contain fluoride, over the limit of the treated one. :-)) Sometime this is possible.
In South America that is generally found in certain parts of Argentina and Uruguay. Have no info for Ecuador.

Hope this is helpful !

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Of course Scorpio forgot to add that it helps if you are wearing your tin foil hat when you brush 5 times a day for 5 minutes. You may be abrading your enamel surfaces, but that will be okay as long as you avoid that darned fluoride.

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Contrary to unpopular belief Fluoridated drinking water was not a communist conspiracy except in Alabama. I grew up in Western Michigan where they have had fluoride in the water for almost 100 years and the only outcome is a 30-40% reduction in tooth decay which has been proven in several studies.

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As a native Alabamian, I resent your reference, as you probably have never visited there; and driving through on your way to Florida does not count; and I'll bet that our football team can beat your football team, and if it is a major team, probably has beaten them.

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Boatmax;
What will they do after they drop out of college? Alabama has one of the worst college graduation rate in the US.

Alabama A&M University, 33 percent
Alabama State University, 27 percent
Auburn University, 63 percent
Auburn University Montgomery, 27 percent
Jacksonville State University, 38 percent
Troy University, 42 percent
University of Alabama, 65 percent
University of Alabama at Birmingham, 38 percent
University of Alabama at Huntsville, 44 percent
University of Montevallo, 47 percent
University of North Alabama, 41 percent
University of South Alabama, 37 percent
University of West Alabama, 20 percent

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Boatmax and Dunmovn, as a current resident of 'Bama, I will opine. Yes, 'Bama is the only state in the country where fluoride is believed to be a commie conspiracy, but there are enclaves of resistance where scorpio and nickspm lived where that belief is also firmly held.

Football? Gimme a break. What team in Alabama OR Florida can beat my Giants? Get serious.

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I think Dunmovin is under the impression that Scorpio is from Alabama. Hence the comment. I heard the toothbrush was created in Alabama... Had it been anywhere else, they would have called it the "teethbrush." yuk yuk.. Go Crimson Tide!

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I lived in Pittsburgh when the Steelers won 4 Super Bowls and we called the Dallas Cowboys the best 2nd place team in the NFL because they could never beat the Steelers. I had season tickets for 6 years that cost about $450 a year for 2.

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Boatmax, You were at my house four days ago eating the homemade ice cream with me talking about Alabama... I lived in Huntsville and so did you... Remember what I said... The Giants might have a repeat.... My Pittsburgh Steelers can beat any team in the Super Bowl... But in the regular season they always fall apart in the 4th quarter... Watchout for Flaco this season he looks good this year... Argentina is starting a football league if anyone wants to play.. pminga9961@aol.com

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RE Flouride in the water, it probably does. I would think it is a country-wide water treatment plan. The only way to know is to take some of the water to a laboratory to have it tested, and you can do this with soil also. Not a med. lab., but you can ask around (univ, or ask doctors) where to get this done, I'm sure Cuenca has a facility like in Quito.

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"Boatmax, You were at my house four days ago eating the homemade ice cream with me talking about Alabama... I lived in Huntsville and so did you... "

Patrick, are you implying that Boatmax is old and dottering like dunmovn and needs to be reminded of where he was and what he was doing just 4 days ago?

While I will readily admit that my Giants looked weak against those rustlers, your Steelers looked even weaker against the Broncos. Ah, but like the silly redsucks fans, who think a few wins against the Yanks in April means a thing in October, they are reminded every year once the playoffs roll around what is really important. To whit, let's see where our respective football teams are in February. I expect mine to be in the Superbowl.

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After reading all kinds of "smart" comments to the initial question, below you'll find some links which may help you with your "general knowledge" on the subject.

N.B. This applies to Ecuador as well, in case someone may be concerned that the post does not deal with...... "information on living, working, traveling and retiring in Ecuador"
"Impact of Fluoride on Neurological Development"
Truth or ..... just another........ "conspiracy theory" ???
After all...... aren't " Harvard University researchers" well known to dabble in this kind of... "business" ?
Well.... you decide ! ;-))

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/375657/20120821/yes-fluoride-makes-stupid.htm
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/24/idUS127920+24-Jul-2012+PRN20120724
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/features/fluoride-childrens-health-grandjean-choi.html
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/harvard-study-finds-fluoride-lowers-iq-published-in-federal-govt-journal-2012-07-24
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/08/14/fluoride-effects-in-children.aspx?e_cid=20120814_DNL_artNew_1#_edn1
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/07/harvard-study-published-in-federal-government-journal-finds-fluoride-lowers-childrens-iq.html
http://open.salon.com/blog/ghost_writer_1/2012/07/26/harvard_study_finds_fluoride_lowers_iq_in_children
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rmDDq-ChW8
http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=42652E035A1B1BAAAE1F340B54694975


Conspiracy to support dentists who are running out of business ? They are still investigating if Mossad or other leprechauns where involved in this ..."conspiracy" :-)))
.
Government recommends lowering fluoride levels in U.S. drinking water
http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/07/fluoride.recommendations/index.html

I guess the initial concentration...... was doing ... "to much good" ! :-))

And in the end.... what's the answer ( if you know of course ! ) to the initial question ..... "Is there fluoride in Cuenca water" ?

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I would remind everyone that the failsafe recall code is POE, purity of essence, the essencial fluid, not water, the other one. I always remember Stanley when someone mentions fluride. I drink the water here in Cuenca. A doctor who lives here tells me he tested it at the treatment plant and is happy with it.

I don't remember if it has fluride in it. How do the reptillians in Villcabamba feel about fluride?

sinagua

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michel3777,

They probably have an office at the water department, wherever that is.

You could probably go in there and mention how much you love Cuenca a couple of times -- charming them a bit -- and casually asking them after a minute or two about whether there is Fluoride in their water..

It's not America, right? So they probably aren't going to call in a SWAT team to take you down because you asked a simple question.)

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I have today the unenviable task of apologizing to all those who stated that there is nothing wrong with "mass medicating" the population, by adding fluoride to the drinking water.
Even the Harvard scientists, only two of them mind you, had to retract their initial statements and agree that.........

FLUORIDE ONLY LOWERS THE I.Q. ....... OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES !
http://www.kansas.com/2012/09/11/2485561/harvard-scientists-data-on-fluoride.html

OK ! Did you stop laughing ? :-)))))

The above Wichita Eagle pro-fluoride article states that....." Fluoride levels used in Harvard study were not comparable to those used in U.S. "

"But is this even true? The Harvard review, which was published in the journal Environmental Health Perspectives, includes a comparison of IQ levels among children living in a village with an average fluoride concentration of 0.36 milligrams per liter (mg/L) to the IQ levels of children in another village with a fluoride concentration of 2.47 mg/L. Clearly, neither of these levels is above the federal government's maximum allowable concentration of 4 mg/L.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/fluoride-in-water-linked-to-lower-iq-in-children-112261459.html

A 2.47 mg/L concentration of fluoride, which is considered “high,” is hardly “ten times what we see here in the U.S.,” an erroneous claim made by pro-fluoride fanatic Larry Hund, a Wichita-based pediatrician and leader of Wichitans for Healthy Teeth, the primary group in Wichita pushing for water fluoridation. Some U.S. cities, in fact, have fluoride levels that exceed the 2.47 mg/L level of fluoride evaluated in the Harvard study, which means it most definitely has relevance in the current debate over whether or not to fluoridate.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/health-care/item/12250-fluoride-lowers-iq-in-kids-new-study-shows
Even if you buy into the claim that the roughly 0.7 mg/L of fluoride that Wichita plans to add to its water supply is less than what was used in the Harvard fluoride study, there is still no solid evidence proving that even this lower level is safe. Since fluoride tends to accumulate in glands and tissue over time, any level of repeated exposure appears to be dangerous, not to mention the fact that the jury is still out about whether or not ingesting fluoride provides any legitimate oral health benefits whatsoever."

Add to this the fact that you get the "much coveted' fluoride also in ALL canned and semi-cooked food, as well as in dry food, ( bread, pasta, ) since
1. they are prepared with "fluoridated water" and
2. fluoride based pesticides and insecticides are routinely and aggressively used in the big agro-industry......
... and you'll have a much truer picture of the levels of "fluoride" we are ingesting daily, and possible neuro-toxic effects.

Could these "neuro-toxic effects" be an explanation, (even for those with a solid "college education" and outstanding "expository writing courses" under their belt), for sentences such as,.....

*** "Yes, 'Bama is the only state in the country where fluoride is believed to be a commie conspiracy, but there are enclaves of resistance where scorpio and nickspm lived where that belief is also firmly held.."
or.......
*** "You mock and dismiss people that reject YOUR notions about something that does, in fact, exist, but don’t embrace your ridiculous notions about the underlying conspiracy in its regard." ....... ?

We'll have to wait for the Harvard scientists to come up with further studies on this subject..
Or.... maybe not ! :-)

I'm sure "booby" ..... will have an opinion ! ;-)
He always does ! :-)))

Until then, many regards to those in Vilcabamba !
You definitely know what you're talking about on this subject ! :-)

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Nazis used fluoride to help the Jews go along with their demise. It seems to me that there is no need to have a debate, ya know. Its in history. It worked. If they kept it to toothpaste that you spit out, it would not be so suspicious. But drinking it, no thanks. I would hope it wasn't in the tap water because their water in Cuenca tastes real good.

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"Nazis used fluoride to help the Jews go along with their demise."

Show me a single credible source that supports this nonsense. NO, nothing from youboob.

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suzamarie,

You and I know..... it's history !
Yet many consider what you consider "history", to be ....another "conspiracy theory" ! :-)
Isn't it wonderful someone coined this "expression" ?
Now we can use it whenever.... we don't agree with something ! :-))
As for the water in Cuenca ... we still don't know !
If you read this thread you'll see that nobody bothered to answer ...the initial question !
It only takes a phone call, or... ask a local to find out.
And that... takes a lot of effort ! :-))

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Bother to read the ENTIRE story before jumping to stupid conclusions

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2011/oct/06/critics-water-fluoridation/truth-about-fluoride-doesnt-include-nazi-myth/

Truth about fluoride doesn't include Nazi myth
Pants on Fire!
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Here's a reason to support a Florida county's decision to cut fluoride out of its drinking water: The idea came from the Nazis.

The Nazis put fluoride in water to pacify Jews during World War II, a local resident told members of the Pinellas County Commission on Oct. 4, 2011, before the commission voted 4-3 vote to stop fluoridating water for about 700,000 residents.

"History shows, actually, that in Nazi Germany, one of the first things that they did was add fluoride to the water in the ghettos where the Jews stayed," Matt Leffler of Clearwater said.

Once the St. Petersburg Times published its story about the decision — similar, anonymous comments on the Web piled up:

"Do you guys know where water fluoridation started? In the death camps in WWII."

"There have been many links to cancer going back to the original tests on fluoride done by the Nazis on the Jews."
"It IS what they used to dull their brains!! They used it in the concentration camps. It was in the concentration camps that they also developed many anti-psychotics."

One reader declared the Nazi-fluoride connection "an absolute historical fact." Several readers linked to sources on the Web.

Certainly Nazis, who killed millions of Jews in the 1930s and 1940s, were known for chemical tests and inhumane medical experiments. So PolitiFact Florida had to know: Did that include adding fluoride to water?

We tracked down roots of these claims on the Web, reached out to Holocaust historians, contacted well-known critics of water fluoridation, and read book excerpts and magazine articles and news stories. And we can tell you: There's no teeth to this claim.

This fact-check won't explore the pros and cons of fluoride in your drinking water — though we will note the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention calls the practice one of the greatest public health achievements of the century. And also that groups of citizens, scientists among them, have been wary of the practice since the 1950s.

We'll focus instead on an Internet meme that's crept into the local public debate over drinking water — one that well-known fluoridation critics would like to see washed away.

"We have done our level best to discourage opponents of fluoridation from using this emotive argument," said Paul Connett, a chemist who directs the anti-fluoridation group Fluoride Action Network and recently co-authored a book called The Case Against Fluoride. "The historical evidence for this assertion is extremely weak. It is sad that the U.S. media has done such a bad job of educating the public on this issue that it is so easy for crazy ideas to fill the vacuum."

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So where does the story come from?

Andy Hollinger, who handles media relations at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, tried not to laugh as we explained our fact-check.

"I can almost guarantee you that is indeed an urban myth," he said. "... That sounds like Conspiracy Theory 101."

But he humored us, putting historian Patricia Heberer on the phone. Her expertise is the German medical community, including Holocaust-era experimentation.

Most Nazi medical experiments, she said, had two themes: new drugs and treatments for common battlefield ailments, from war wounds to typhus, or the more infamous effort to underpin Nazi racial ideas, such as Josef Mengele's twin studies. None of the experimentation that she knows of involved fluoride — for mind control or for healthy teeth.

Meanwhile, in the concentration camp system, as in the ghettos, it would have been surprising if fluoride delivery was a focus — in the final few days before liberation, water lines scarcely delivered water. So, water treated just for the Jews?

"I can't see it," she said.

But she had heard a similar Cold War-era theory. It wasn't about the Nazis fluoridating water. It was the Communists.

• • •

Still, do an Internet search for "fluoride" and "Nazis," and you'll find articles such as "Nazi Connections to Fluoride in America's Drinking Water." The text appears on various sites, and includes the citations "Stephen 1995," and "Bryson 2004."

"Stephen 1995" is likely Ian E. Stephens, author of a 1987 self-published booklet, an extract of which was published in Nexus Magazine in 1995. We tracked down a copy of the article from the magazine's website, an alternative Australian publication covering "health breakthroughs, future science and technology, suppressed news, free energy, religious revisionism, conspiracy, the environment, history and ancient mysteries, the mind, UFOs, paranormal and the unexplained."

It's called "Fluoridation: Mind Control of the Masses?" And in it we meet government research worker Charles Eliot Perkins, who at the end of World War II purportedly learned from a big German chemical producer that it had developed a plan to fluoridate occupied countries.

"Repeated doses of infinitesimal amounts of fluoride will in time reduce an individual's power to resist domination by slowly poisoning and narcotising a certain area of the brain and will thus make him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him," says a document quoted in the excerpt. "Both the Germans and the Russians added sodium fluoride to the drinking water of prisoners of war to make them stupid and docile."

"Bryson 2004" is Christopher Bryson, an investigative reporter and television producer who reported on Guatemalan human rights abuses for the BBC World Service, National Public Radio and the Atlanta Journal Constitution in the 1980s, and later wrote a book called The Fluoride Deception. It delves into murky connections between military-industrial fluoride polluters and the early push for public water fluoridation.

His book mentions Nazis or Nazism less than 10 times, and none of the references discuss water fluoridation. We contacted him.

"I never came across any documentation or credible information showing that fluoride was used in Nazi death camps," he said.

• • •

In 2009, two scientists published a book called The Fluoride Wars: How a Modest Public Health Measure Became America's Longest Running Political Melodrama.

The hydrologists dedicate more than 30 pages to conspiracy theories and their origins. We contacted one of them.

"The World War II death camp statement is an absurd lie," said Jay Lehr, who has authored or co-authored more than 30 books, most of them self-described "boring science books for scientists."

The Fluoride Wars instead presents a lively social history of the fluoridation debate in the United States.

And it starts with the first large-scale fluoridation in history, not in Europe, but in Grand Rapids, Mich., in 1945.

• • •

Given the topic, it seems appropriate to conclude with Wikipedia, where we found mention of Nazis and fluoride — in an article listing conspiracy theories: Fluoridation is alternately part of a "Communist, Fascist or New World Order or Illuminati plot to take over the world." It was "pioneered by a German chemical company to make people submissive to those in power." It was "used in Russian prison camps and produces schizophrenia."

Our Holocaust historian knew of no such project. Two book authors who researched the topic, one a journalist, the other a hydrologist, found no credible evidence of such a connection. A leading anti-fluoridation activist repudiates the story. The most commonly cited Web source for the story was a 16-year-old extract in a fringe Australian publication. So we can confidently declare this claim Pants on Fire!

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We loved the fact that down in Cuenca, every expat we met was on the same page as us....ie, their eyes were wide open.

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You're confused. You must have been in Vilcabamba. In either case, it's no surprise. lunatics attract other lunatics.

Now be a GLG and actually read the truth in my post above.

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http://truth11.com/2009/12/01/nazi-connections-to-flouride-in-americas-drinking-water/


theres one good site on history and use and how damaging it is

http://poisonpaste.com/fluoride-nazi-link.php

and so on...gotta get back to packing.

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at this point I dont care if its true or not of if the russians or germans used it to control people. its a chemical. it definitely does not sound like something you would want in your body. reminds me of that true story movie julia roberts was in trying to get a good claim for the poisoning of those towns people. she gave the very water to the butthole lawyers...did they want to drink it??...no freakin way. so much is going on these days and most of it is bad. but, I have my eye on the prize.

and insults and name calling on here doesnt scare me.

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Every single bit of the nonsense in the 2 links that suzamarie provided is completely debunked in the piece I posted.

Please note this well. I didn't say, "some of the information in those links", nor did I say "most of the information in those links". I said every single bit of it is debunked in the piece I posted.

Read it and decide for yourself.

Suzamarie, could you now tell us about the 380 protesters killed in Michigan by Obama forces? That's the best one yet. Anyone wanting to read that nonsense can either google it or tell me and I'll post the link. It is about as credible as the nonsense suzamarie believes in regarding Nazi's and fluoride.

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Recipes for homemade toothpaste and toothpowders.

http://www.greenecoservices.com/top-10-toothpaste-recipes-make-it-yourself/

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http://rense.com/general79/hd3.htm

The following letter was received by the Lee Foundation for Nutritional Research, Milwaukee Wisconsin, on 2 October 1954, from Mr. Charles Perkins, a US chemist put in charge of Farben chemical plants at the end of World War II:

"I have your letter of September 29 asking for further documentation regarding a statement made in my book, The Truth About Water Fluoridation, to the effect that the idea of water fluoridation was brought to England from Russia by the Russian Communist Kreminoff. "In the 1930`s, Hitler and the German Nazi`s envisioned a world to be dominated and controlled by a Nazi philosophy of pan-Germanism. The German chemists worked out a very ingenious and far-reaching plan of mass-control which was submitted to and adopted by the German General Staff. This plan was to control the population in any given area through mass medication of drinking water supplies. By this method they could control the population in whole areas, reduce population by water medication that would produce sterility in women, and so on. In this scheme of mass-control, sodium fluoride occupied a prominent place..."

"When the Nazis under Hitler decided to go into Poland, both the German General Staff and the Russian General Staff exchanged scientific and military ideas, plans, and personnel, and the scheme of mass control through water medication was seized upon by the Russian Communists because it fitted ideally into their plan to communize the world..."

"I was told of this entire scheme by a German chemist who was an official of the great IG Farben chemical industries and was also prominent in the Nazi movement at the time. I say this with all the earnestness and sincerity of a scientist who has spent nearly 20 years` research into the chemistry, biochemistry, physiology and pathology of fluorine--any person who drinks artificially fluorinated water for a period of one year or more will never again be the same person mentally or physically." CHARLES E. PERKINS, Chemist, 2 October 1954.

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Thank you :)

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I thought this might be interesting to those who want to know about fluoride....

http://preventdisease.com/news/12/090312_The-5-Most-Repeated-Health-Myths-That-Medical-Doctors-Have-No-Intention-on-Abandoning.shtml

Go to # 5...all about fluoride....

Oh by the way...I heard from someone that lives in a "side" valley off Vilcabamba, that in Ecuador they do not add fluoride to the water as there are too many diverging sources of water and it gets complicated....they actually add it to the local salt... EVERYONE purchases salt ! I have no idea on the truth of this last statement...just putting it out there as it is worth looking into...

Have a great day folks!

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Good information!

I know I'd like to avoid Fluoride as much as possible. This "waste product of aluminum and phosphate fertilizer processing" can't be good for anyone.

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Unmitigated nonsense from a quack science source.

Please note that Susan is back to suppressing most of my posts. I refuted all of the nonsense posted here last night, but none of my posts were published.

Seems like someone has an agenda.

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Yeah...that's right.

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@ suzamarie

Ata girl !
I'm glad to see that you know how to stand up to bullies, and don't get intimidated when you meet someone who's "frothing at the mouth" while addressing others.
You also posses a healthy "sense of humor", and know how to be brief when slaying a "wannabe dragon" !
Rare traits ! :-)))
Some day I'll be delighted to make your acquaintance.

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@ penathey

Many thanks for that link. ( recipe),
Of real value for those who want to avoid "fluoride" in the tooth paste !

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Thank you Scorpio. :)

In my line of work a sense of humor and the ability to disarm people is a good thing. They get more than they pay for and they leave happy....sometimes coming back for more.

Where are you located now...?
I note a comment by you that had Hebrew content. Are you Jewish? We met a sweet man named Pablo who directed us to a Messianic church on Don Bosco but we had a hard time finding it.
Even through we dodn't know enough Spanish, we want to attend that one along with a English service church we tried while there.

Guess I better say something about fluoride.

It sucks.

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@ "booby"

First of all,... Congratulations !
For the first time since I've read your posts you come ....with material to document your opinion. This is a great thing ! :-))
Who knows, maybe in time you'll also learn how to have a civilized discussion where you don't attempt to insult someone who doesn't share YOUR opinion. ( no matter how wrong you may consider them to be).

As far as your "stellar piece of evidence" it takes aim at debunking that....."the Nazi targeted the Jews by experimenting with fluoridation".
If you pay attention to "suzamarie" links, you'll see that the thrust of the evidence has to do primarily with the "dangers of fluoride in mass medicating the drinking water"
http://truth11.com/2009/12/01/nazi-connections-to-flouride-in-americas-drinking-water/
and " the discourse of Mr. Harley Rivers Dickinson in the Australian Parliament" plus the state of affairs in Australia at the time.
The idea put forth is that the Nazi used fluoride in the prisoners camps. The understanding I get is that they used it.... ON EVERYBODY !
http://poisonpaste.com/fluoride-nazi-link.php

As far as what you consider to be your "stellar piece of evidence", it is conceived as a "piece of spin" tackling a ":highly emotional argument" and attempting to create the impression, for an uninformed reader, that " fluoride in the water" is OK. I'll discuss that in more detail how this is done in an upcoming post, if you feel the need.
Personally I don't agree with "mass medicating" the general public ! ( Including ME ! :-)))... )

In any case the scope of this thread was to find out whether "Fluoride was added to drinking water in Ecuador".
Who, When, Why and How, the fluoride was used in the drinking water, while important in itself for those who want to understand the issue, comes secondary to the desire of someone, 18 months ago, to find the answer to a simple question .... "Is fluoride added to the water in Cuenca ?".

SIMPLE QUESTION ! Nobody has answered it yet !

Do you know the answer ?

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Researchers at Harvard University recently published the results of a long-term analysis that links fluoridated water to lower IQ scores in children.
The alarming findings were released in Environmental Health Perspectives, a publication of the National Institutes of Health.
Professor Philippe Grandjean and research scientist Anna L. Choi of Harvard University partnered with medical researchers Guifan Sun and Ying Zhang of China Medical University to conduct the study, which was performed using internal university funds.
The researchers examined data on water fluoridation levels from a variety of medical databases and compared them to IQ scores of children who lived in the associated neighborhoods. One area of focus was data from rural parts of China which have not been publicized so far. In total, 27 separate studies were examined.
"Children in high fluoride areas had significantly lower IQ scores than those who lived in low fluoride areas," the researchers concluded. "The results suggest that fluoride may be a developmental neurotoxicant that affects brain development at exposures much below those that can cause toxicity in adults."
Digital Journal contacted the authors of the study for further insight into the report and its implications.
"We knew from the National Research Council review that there were studies that suggested neurotoxicity, but we were a bit surprised that 26 of 27 studies showed poorer performance of children with increased fluoride exposure," Grandjean stated in an email response. "This suggests that we need documentation to determine the dose-response relationship."
While the report acknowledges that the observed decrease in IQ may be relatively small, there is still plenty of cause for concern. "The fluoride ion is very small, so it likely passes the placenta quite easily," Grandjean explained, indicating that fluoride can be transferred from a pregnant mother to her fetus. Thus, the continued usage of fluoridated water from generation to generation may have a greater cumulative effect on human intelligence than any single study could measure.
Will more studies be performed? "Yes, it would be a good idea to carry out research in this field, and China seems well suited for this purpose," Grandjean said.
The report is only the latest university-funded analysis to point out the neurological dangers of fluoridated water.
A fluoride study released in 2008 by the Nanjing University School of Medicine found "a consistent and strong association between the exposure to fluoride [in water] and low IQ".
In addition, a report published in the Journal of Hazardous Materials by university and government researchers indicated that even fluoride levels that are below the EPA limit can have negative effects on IQ and neurological health.
Experts like Dr. Hardy Limeback, the Head of Preventive Dentistry at the University of Toronto, have also warned parents against giving children fluoridated toothpaste or water.
Meanwhile, the city council of Portland, Oregon, just voted unanimously in favor of fluoridating the municipal water supply, even though residents voted down three similar ballot measures in the past, according to the Oregonian. It appears that documented health concerns and public opposition will not stop some legislatures from deciding what compounds should be added to the water.

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Flouride is NOT good not matter 'how' you look at it. I sure don't want it, although having grown up in the 50s I already have been inundated, probably one reason, among many, why I'm crazy today!

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In Ecuador, they put fluoride in the salt, not water. Must use sea salt!

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Gary7

Fluoride causing lower IQ in gringos? That's crazy! Why if that were true they'd be electing idiots for president and showing cognitive dissonance symptoms (foil hat disease).

sinego

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CASS...Originally, all salt is "sea salt". : >)))

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