Thanks for the Web link Liliya.
Just be careful not to take vitamin C when eating soft shelled sea foods like shrimps and crabs. In a study conducted by the University of Chicago, these soft shelled sea foods have higher concentration of five potassium arsenic compounds. These compounds by itself is not toxic. It's when you take vitamin C that chemical reaction occurs. The non toxic arsenic compounds become toxic that may result to death. Arsenic poisoning has a magma role and can cause paralysis to the small blood vessels. A person who dies of arsenic poisoning will show signs of bleeding from the ear, nose, eyes and mouth.

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I'm sure someone will contradict what I have posted but it's better to be cautious when in doubt.

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Thank you for the warning, Argee.
He takes 8 packets per day, 4 in the morning 10-15 min before breakfast and other 4 about 10-15 minutes either before lunch or dinner. For him the best beverage to accompany Lypo Spheric Vitamin C is fresh squeezed orange juice (no additions, no preservatives, shelf life is two days) from Megamaxi. Price $2.55 for one liter (orange juice).

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Totally unsupported pseudo science

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----Totally unsupported pseudo science

here is a science behind ozone(my husband receives ozone therapy as well) and IVC therapies:

Dr. Otto Warburg((ozone research) was Nobel Prize Winner.
http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/1931/warburg-bio.html

Linus Carl Pauling (1954 Nobel Prize in Chemistry ) researched intravenous vitamin C.

and what FDA and Big Pharma do - brainwash people that Nobel laureats are "pseudo science"

actually, I don't care what who think. As I said - "real doctors", "real pills", "real radio and chemo" - you can have it, I don't mind.

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The Pseudo Science are the big pharma and the FDA that approved the drugs and later recalled due to lawsuits. Just recently, another recall was made on birth control pills manufactured by Bayer (Yaz, Yasmin, Ocella) and Pfiser (Lo/Ovral-28, Norgestrel and Ethinyl Estradol).

The lawsuit against Bayer is being prepared by Ashcraft & Gerell LLP due to side effects like hearth attack, stroke, blood clots, pancreas and gall bladder damage.

On the Vitamin C issue, I have not seen anybody bringing lawsuits due to side effects of taking this vitamin. In fact, in some emergency cases, the first thing some doctors do is to IV the patient with high dosage of vitamin C. There are also some studies made that high dosage of Vitamin C could actually prevent the progression of cancer.

Folks, I suggest that you watch the video FOOD MATTERS. This is a very educational video on the importance of preventive medicine thru proper diet

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I realize some people will be impressed that you have actually provided links to what you claim "supports" your notion that the vitamin C/Ozone stuff isn't pseudo science, but if they take the time to actually go to the links, they'll find that the first one is no more than a biography of Otto Warburg that mentions nothing about either vitamin C nor ozone. Additoinally, in spite of the fact that Warburg was a Nobel Laureat 81 years ago, he's been dead for over 41 years and I see nothing linking him to this quack science.

In the second case, you don't even provide a link to science or anything else, you simply drop Linus Pauling's name. Yes, Dr. Pauling won the Nobel Prize in Chemistry 58 years ago, but his work with Vitamin C was done in the '70's and has been dismissed as quackery by every respected researcher in the fields of chemistry, biochemistry and human physiology.

If you can provide a link to actual research that scientifically supports these modalities that has been published in any peer review journal in the world, I'd be happy to read it with an open mind. That doesn't mean you should post links to articles that are just opinion pieces by those that support this pseudo science.

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Thank you very much Argee and Liliya. We need to hear more about natural and alternative remedies, not just man-made for-profit chemicals! We all have a 'built in' intuition in which to help 'heal ourselves' and not every type of healing is for everybody.

People should not be stubborn but unfortunately they are. Some will defend Aspartame and other vile big pharma poisons, til they die because they must defend something, despite the fact that pregnant mothers should not consume it and it causes alot of very bad things in the body, yet it is for sale in every convenience store in the states. We receive more and more warnings as time goes on. The chemicals in the processed food in the United States is killing people. The big pharma houses are killing people. I think one of the reasons that people are moving here is to get back to 'real food'...as it's lost in the states.

Here, most of Ecuador (poor to rich) uses 'natural' remedies, and many shun the chemicals, so we are in the majority here for sure. We have wonderful indigenous 'naturapaths' out here in the Provinces who utilize the whole smorgasboard of things, even electricity, and even some of the med doctors here will always allude to 'alternative' remedies. Although alternative is not the correct word, really

There are so many natural/healing therapies...for example, my bee keeper is working with bee sting therapy on acupuncture points. So many people have been helped, a lady's 'tennis knee' disappeared and it's good for allergies, systemic imbalances, etc.

I drink Emer-gen-C but I think the Lypo Spheric would be better, especially if a person has a systemic infection and other 'dis'eases, as in high doses it becomes an antibiotic. I need to get some!

There will always be detractors. Just let them detract and follow your God-given intuition to help to heal your body with these natural and God-made medicines that are made available to us.

I highly recommend Andrew Weil's Free newsletters (there are about 4, and always have helpful non-fanatical information) and of course Mike Adams, the Health Ranger...though he has gotten pretty political, it's all things that we should know.

I just purchased a small Ozone machine...it is good for oxygenating water and oil, and the oxygen is what heals, as Liliya posted before...Ozone has been used to purify water for years, the small machine is good for sterilizing also.

It's funny, but even "Big Pharma" sometimes stumbles upon something that is natural, and very few times, gets it right. They had made this Honey Plaster to put on wounds for soldiers in the war. Quite a breakthrough for them! Pure Honey and all bee components are strong medicines and can perform miracles. I eat a mixture made by my keeper called The Cocktail. It is Bee Larvae/Pollen/Royal Jelly/Honey and it tastes like Butterscotch, but really tones up your system.

Many medicines are made from plants also, Digitalis for the heart, tho now synthetically made, is from the Foxglove plant. The Autumn Crocus plant provides us with Colcacine that elilmionates Uric Acid in the body...too much of that will cause gout, cataracs, arthritis...many more.

Good Luck, Liliya, hope Leo is feeling fine, my intuition tells me that he is feeling better.

Good luck to everyone who is on the healing path.

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He was at the Super Bowl Party last Sunday, enjoying peanuts and chicken wings (marinated in mustard, not barb sause - no sugar). He was talking to the people!!!

and we are talking about person who was on liquid diet August - October (throat cancer stage 4) and lost his voice few times in August and September, before ozone and IVC therapies kicked in. When we upped IVC from 7.5 grams to 30 grams(in October) improvement became substantial.

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Liliya, that is excellent news! I hope it keeps up and he gets better and better until he is cured!... I really think this Lypo Spheric Vit. C will help alot. Thanks for recommending it here.

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"I think one of the reasons that people are moving here is to get back to real food...as it's lost in the states"

Spot on Achiku! This is the main reason why I'm moving to Ecuador once the condo I bought in theSalinas malecon area is done. I have better chance of eating 'real and fresh food' in Ecuador than here in the US. Most fruits and vegetables here are now being coated with chemicals to increase it's shelf life. These chemicals are potentially hazardous to your health if taken on a regular basis for a long time. It's just like the hamburgers sold by big fast food chains that don't spoil/decay because of the chemicals in it. These chemicals hurt our body at the cellular level thru mutation. Mutation occurs when these chemicals steal one of the 2 electrons (always in pair) of our cells and turn it as free radicals.

I totally agree on everything you posted here.

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"These chemicals hurt our body at the cellular level thru mutation. Mutation occurs when these chemicals steal one of the 2 electrons (always in pair) of our cells and turn it as free radicals."

More made up pseudo science.

Cite your source, please.

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Argee, here's a 'good' one! It doesn't even mention the fungicide orange juice though but is bad enough.

http://www.rodale.com/gross-food?cm_mmc=Yahoo-_-ETNT-_-5_Grossest_Foods-_-15_Grossest_Things_You%27re_Eating

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from http://www.patrickholford.com/index.php/advice/lifestagearticle/954/
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The first ever study in which vitamin C was given to cancer patients was carried out in the 1970s, by Dr Linus Pauling and Dr Ewan Cameron, a cancer specialist, working in Scotland. They gave 100 terminally ill cancer patients 10g (10,000mg) of vitamin C each day and compared their outcome with 1000 cancer patients given conventional therapy. The survival rate was five times higher in those taking vitamin C. By 1978, while all of the 1000 ‘control patients’ had died, 13 of the vitamin C patients were still alive, with 12 apparently free from cancer [3]. Other studies have confirmed these findings. Dr Murata and Dr Morishige of Saga University in Japan showed that cancer patients on 5–30g of vitamin C lived six times longer than those on 4g or less, while those suffering from cancer of the uterus lived 15 times longer on vitamin C therapy [4]. This was also confirmed by the late Dr Abram Hoffer in Canada, who found that patients on high doses of vitamin C survived, on average, ten times longer.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL_g5-6DCVQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58nzMD6LmzM&NR=1&feature=endscreen

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/12154.php

Two-time Nobel Prize winner Linus Pauling, along with Ewan Cameron, MD, of Scotland, did a scientific study proving that 10 grams of Vitamin C, given by I.V., could extend the life of advanced cancer patients six-fold.

FROM http://simplehealthsolutions.info/hall-of-fame/main-hall/linus-pauling/
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With the help of wealthy friends, Pauling established the Linus Pauling Institute, for research into, and dissemination of, the value of ascorbic acid and related ingredients in the treatment of cancer.Ewan Cameron, M.D., was a physician at the Vale of Leven District General Hospital in Loch Lomondside, Scotland. Beginning in 1971, he teamed up with Pauling and began giving terminal cancer patients high doses of vitamin C.

These were patients who had earlier received surgery, radiation, and hormones; only a few had received cytotoxic drugs (chemotherapy). In each instance, two physicians would certify that the case was hopeless and nothing further could be done.Then the patient was turned over to Dr. Cameron.He immediately began high doses of vitamin C. This was not difficult, since vitamin C has no toxic effects on the body, except that its acidity could injure the teeth or be uncomfortable in the stomach.

Cameron was a researcher in his own right.He was not only a surgeon, but had studied the biochemistry of cancer cells and found that cancer spread by invading healthy normal tissue in its vicinity. He found that, to do this, the cancer cell produced an enzyme, hyaluronidase.This enzyme attacked the intercellular ground cement, the material that holds cells together in tissues. He published his findings in a 1966 book, Hyaluronidase and Cancer.

Then Cameron set to work to find a substance which would strengthen the intercellular cement and thus slow the growth of cancer. He thought it would be a hormone,—but he discovered that it was vitamin C which other researchers had shown was a powerful builder of this cell cement.

Scotland, with a rather high-meat consumption,has a high rate of cancer; and 90% of the cancer patients in his area were sent to Cameron’s hospital, whose surgical unit was under his direction.In addition, his clinical work was supported by Scotland’s Secretary of State, as well as by the Linus Pauling Institute.

The testing by Cameron began in 1971, and Pauling described what happened when vitamin C—with the addition of no other nutrients or life changes—was given to the cancer patients:“Dr. Cameron first noticed that the patients felt well when they received 10 grams a day or more of vitamin C. They developed good appetites,increased energy, got up from the hospital,went home, went back to work and got along much better than with conventional therapy. Patients who were on morphine for pain could be taken off their morphine in five days.”—LinusPauling, quoted in H.L. Newbold, “Design for Living,” interview by Carleton Fredericks,Ph.D., WOR-AM, New York, May 9, 1978.

Although these results were excellent, it was necessary to begin a detailed study of 100 terminally ill cancer patients who were beyond further help by orthodox methods of treatment.

The final results revealed that patients, receiving 10 grams a day of vitamin C, lived, on the average, four times as long after having reached the terminal stage than those who received only the conventional therapy. In addition,the pain was removed, and they felt so much better.

About 16% of Cameron’s cases experienced a dramatically marked increase in survival time. In the control group, the mean average was 50 days;in Cameron’s group, every patient lived more than a year.(Of course, if other nutritional and life changes had been made, the improvement probably could have been much greater. The most complete system of nutrition and cleansing, the Gerson method,requires far wider changes; but, consequently, it has far greater success.)

By the early 1980s, Cameron had over 4,000 cases in his records. He has found that the results are far better when he can work on patients in the early stages of cancer.

“We surmise that the addition of ascorbate to the treatment of patients with cancer at an earlier stage of development might change life expectancy . . from, for example, 5 years to 20 years.”—Linus Pauling and Ewing Cameron,Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences,October 1976.

The natural killer (NK) cells are the most important cells in the immune system in the battle against cancer, because they attack and destroy abnormal cells. It has been shown that NK cells are active only if they contain relatively large amounts of vitamin C.

Cameron found that patients given 5 grams of vitamin C orally, on 3 consecutive days, experience a doubling in the number of lymphocytes in their bloodstream. The high levels continued for another seven days.A 10-gram dose per day, caused this rate to triple. A dose of 18 grams per day resulted in a fourfold increase.In some cases, Cameron has used 20 or 30 grams a day on patients, by intravenous drip,with remarkable results.

“With the proper use of vitamin C for cancer,we could cut the death rate by 75%. It is probably wise for every cancer patient to receive vitamin C.”—Linus Pauling, quoted in Richard Passwater, Cancer and Its Nutritional Therapies,1978.

Back in the United States, the two researchers were told that their findings could not be accepted until animal research work had been done first. Although this would require years of work,Pauling agreed to it; but, when he applied for grant money, his request was refused.

Five times Pauling, author of more than 400 scientific papers, requested funds; each time to be turned down. The final notation said, “Based on evaluation of scientific merit of this application disapproval must be recommended.”

Since Pauling and Cameron’s initial studies, a number of other physicians elsewhere have begun quietly prescribing megadoses of vitamin C, along with other nutrients in the treatment of cancer.

One was H.L. Newbold, M.D., of New York City.For skin cancers, he uses a combination of about 15 grams of vitamin C a day by mouth, along with vitamin C ointment applied to the surface of the tumor itself, five or six times a day. He does not always have success, but then he focuses primarily on vitamin C; whereas there are a broad number of nutritional, environmental, and lifestyle factors which should also be included.

In treating other kinds of cancer, Newbold increases the dosage as high as he can. He says he can seldom go higher than 50-60 grams a day, when given by mouth. In addition, he gives another 50 grams intravenously. He adds that if he had cancer, he would take at least 50 grams a day intravenously, six days a week, for at least three months; and an equal amount by mouth.

Beginning in December 1977, one patient with a deadly “oat cell” carcinoma of the lung, was placed on 105 grams a day! That is 2,000 times the 60 milligrams recommended daily by the FDA.More than a year later, she was in excellent shape and working hard again.

More recently, Abram Hoffer, M.D., Ph.D., of Victoria, British Columbia, and Dr. Pauling carried out a study of 40 patients with cancer of the breast, ovary, uterus, or cervix. They continuously received large daily doses of ascorbic acid and other vitamins. At the same time, another 61 patients with other kinds of cancer followed the same regimen while 31 patients received no vitamin supplements and served as the control group.

The control group lived an average of 5.7 months. Of the others, 80 percent of the patients with cancer of breast, ovary, cervix, or uterus, had a mean survival time of 122 months while 47 patients,with the other kinds of cancer, lived for an average of 72 months. The length of life for those using vitamin C was 13 to 21 times longer than those not receiving it (Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine 5, No. 3).

Before concluding this article, it would be well to summarize the relationship of vitamin C to several vital factors and functions:

Vitamin C stimulates normal cells to increase production of hyaluronidase inhibitor. This combines with the hyaluronidase released by the cancer cells, so it cannot break down normal cell walls,preparatory for invasion.

Vitamin C is an essential co-factor in the synthesis of carnitine by the body. It is well-documented that cancer patients have very low levels of carnitine, needed for energy production.Vitamin C increases the body’s production of interferon, which is a cancer-fighting factor in the body.

Vitamin C helps produce PGE1, also called the prostaglandins, which are needed in lymphocyte function.

Vitamin C is needed by the body so it can place a wrapper of collagen fibers around cancer cells until they can be torn apart and discharged from the system. Without vitamin C, collagen cannot be made; it is the “cell cement” of the body.

Vitamin C protects the body against radiation,rendering it less devastating.Vitamin C is one of the most powerful antioxidant agents, because it both fights free radicals in the body and restores the antioxidant properties of vitamin E.

One danger should be noted: When a person is taking large amounts of vitamin C, his body adjusts to this. But if it is suddenly stopped or heavily decreased, vitamin C deficiency symptoms (scorbuticsymptoms, called the “rebound effect”) can appear. High doses of the vitamin should never be discontinued suddenly.

Here, from the Linus Pauling Institute, is the formula for taking vitamin C:

1 – Large amounts of vitamin C should be taken daily, but in divided doses all through the day.

2 – Begin with 1-2 grams (equivalent to ¼ to ½ teaspoonful) of pure crystalline vitamin C dissolved in juice or water.

3 – Increase the intake by 1 or 2 grams on each subsequent day until a laxative action develops.

At this point, reduce the dose by 1 or 2 grams below this bowel tolerance level and maintain that dose thereafter.

You can never take too much vitamin C!When too much is taken, the body immediately produces a slight, brief diarrhea to discharge it. It is untrue that vitamin C can cause kidney damage.

Crystalline vitamin C can be obtained inexpensively as ascorbic acid. Do not take it in the sodium ascorbate form (reason: For proper cancer avoidance and recovery, sodium intake should be heavily decreased and potassium greatly increased).

Upon request, the Linus Pauling Institute, in Palo Alto, will send out an international list of physicians who may be using intravenous vitamin C as an adjuvant therapy.

Linus Pauling Institute of Science and Medicine.


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---One danger should be noted: When a person is taking large amounts of vitamin C, his body adjusts to this. But if it is suddenly stopped or heavily decreased, vitamin C deficiency symptoms (scorbuticsymptoms, called the “rebound effect”) can appear. High doses of the vitamin should never be discontinued suddenly.---

this is very true. We went to USA in September for two weeks. Couldnt find no doctors no nurses to administer IVC in Minneapolis. Everyone told us it is illegal in Minnesota.
The result - Leo came back (to Quito) in a wheel chair with bad symptoms returned. After few days of IVC and ozone therapy - immediate relief.

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Liliya, thank you for taking the time and energy to post that great information about Vitamin C. It's truly a remarkable thing!

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One thing I forgot to say...These substances will work if we believe that they will and we welcome them as tools to our healing. Our minds and attitudes play a big part in the healing process. We need to 'want' to get healed.

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Finally, some wisdom posted on this subject. This is called the placebo effect and I'm sure I don't have to explain it to anybody. Some of these things will seem to work even if there is no pharmacological basis for their functioning. The mind is a powerful thing, but anybody that substitutes this for medical science and tries to self medicate for serious conditions such as cancer, has a fool for a patient.

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Liliya & achiku, great info! Vitamin C is really a good antioxidant but there is one that is much more powerful - Astaxanthin. When I started taking this (more than 3 years now), my sinus problem and joint & muscle pains were gone. It also prevents you from getting sunburn within 6 hours from taking it (I expose myself to sunlight at noon time to maximize absorption of vitamin D3). D3 boosts your immune system and helps in the absorption of Calcium. Getting it directly from the sun is much better than taking pills. So far, everything is working great for me. No more medications for HBP & cholesterol and I feel great. I have so much energy at my age (66) that I still do interval training (walk/run/sprint for 6-8 miles every other day and do some weight lifting in between those days. Right now, I weigh 129 lbs with a waist line of 30" and 39" normal chest (42 expanded). I was much bigger before at 150lbs and despite the same routine of exercise, my BP and cholesterol went up. It's only when I stopped eating foods high in sugar & glycemic index and started eating the right food, that my weight went down to where I am now. My BP and cholesterol is back to normal. I don't have to spend on drugs which I actually refused to take then.
I just hope that those who read this would learn that exercise, proper diet and proper supplementation actually work. Achiku and Liliya have provided valuable information here that I wish everybody would take it seriously.

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No 'Francisco"...what I meant was...the fact that morphine is a pain killer, that is established, but if your mind does not accept morphine as a painkiller, then your pain will not be killed. These natural healing things, of which there are far more than Big Pharma has to offer, DO work, but if your mind stubbornly rejects the wisdom, it may hinder the effect.

We all need to believe in everything that we do and hope to get a positive result from, whether it be open a biz., or heal ourselves or our loved ones, or move to a strange country and make it work...

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Margaret, I agree with what you wrote in your most recent post and that is all accounted for if you have a full understanding of the placebo effect. That is to say that it works both ways, positively and negatively.

Don't think for a second that I reject natural medicines and what you might consider non traditional cures or treatments. Many of them work very well, but many are just pseudo science, including all of this ozone therapy and mega-doses of intravenous vitamin C. Assuming that any modality actually has a sound basis in therapeutics because several people report anecdotal success with it is a dangerous assumption. If you can't establish a cause and effect relationship between the modality and positive results, you should look to other explanations for any efficacy you may experience with that modality. Spontaneous remission of many diseases is well known and if you attribute your healing under those circumstances to having just ingested cow dung, you are just deluding yourself, or perhaps worse.

As an example of how powerful the mind can be in healing, I'd refer anyone to the seminal work on this subject by O. Carl Simonton, called Getting Well Again. Simonton was a psychiatrist that treated cancer patients with visualization therapy with some success. Sure, he was dismissed as a quack by many, but employing the concepts you just outlined in your previous two posts, the technique seems to have reproducible success. Not even Simonton suggested to his patients to abandon standard medical protocols while employing his techniques. He considered them adjunctive therapy.

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Margaret, I agree with what you wrote in your most recent post and that is all accounted for if you have a full understanding of the placebo effect. That is to say that it works both ways, positively and negatively.

Don't think for a second that I reject natural medicines and what you might consider non traditional cures or treatments. Many of them work very well, but many are just pseudo science, including all of this ozone therapy and mega-doses of intravenous vitamin C. Assuming that any modality actually has a sound basis in therapeutics because several people report anecdotal success with it is a dangerous assumption. If you can't establish a cause and effect relationship between the modality and positive results, you should look to other explanations for any efficacy you may experience with that modality. Spontaneous remission of many diseases is well known and if you attribute your healing under those circumstances to having just ingested cow dung, you are just deluding yourself, or perhaps worse.

As an example of how powerful the mind can be in healing, I'd refer anyone to the seminal work on this subject by O. Carl Simonton, called Getting Well Again. Simonton was a psychiatrist that treated cancer patients with visualization therapy with some success. Sure, he was dismissed as a quack by many, but employing the concepts you just outlined in your previous two posts, the technique seems to have reproducible success. Not even Simonton suggested to his patients to abandon standard medical protocols while employing his techniques. He considered them adjunctive therapy.

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---Many of them work very well, but many are just pseudo science, including all of this ozone therapy and mega-doses of intravenous vitamin C. ----

so, we have two scientists( (Dr Otto W and Dr Pauling) who each were twice Nobel laureat. Their work is "pseudo science" and Francisco123 knows better?

and because they (Dr Otto W and Dr Pauling) got their Nobel prizes and did their ozone and IVC research many years ago it lost its scientific value?

It is simple - there is no money for corporations in ozone and IVC, it cannot be patented and cannot be milked for the big profit.
Even expensive (realtively) IVC is much cheaper ($XXX
VS $XXXXX) than chemo and radio. And now these Lypo-SphericTM Vitamin C, encapsulated, is more cheaper and more accesible than IVC.
http://www.naturalnews.com/034646_vitamin_C_encapsulated_mega_dose.html
http://www.livonlabs.com/cgi-bin/start.cgi/liposome-encapsulated/index.html

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I have debunked this nonsense several times but the moderator chooses not to allow it to be posted. I won't waste my time trying to post rebuttals under those circumstances.

The truth can be found by others that are actual truth seekers. I tried to present information that would make that easier for people, so your issue is with the moderator, not me.

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Francisco, I am a practitioner of yoga/meditation, Tai Chi and MMA (black belt in Karate Okinawan style and Aikido) but it did not prevent my BP and cholesterol from going up. As I have said before, it was only when I totally changed what I eat that things went back to normal.

If you think that brain power alone works for you and you are in perfect health, then you should stick to it...but if you are on medication right now and you get sick easily, then you have to change your lifestyle with high emphasis on what you eat. What works to one person may not work to someone. Also, if you get rid of negativism and focus more on the positives, it will help your immune system immensely.
Your body is a great healer if you provide the necessary tools to do it. It won't survive by mere brain power alone. You have to provide the right food. Just remember, the food you eat is what you are health wise.

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I will say one thing---the food in the states is literally killing people...they just don't know it. It is such a pitiful shame that once the 'richest' and most advanced country, that had the ability to supercede the crap that is served on the table as food, is in a downward spiral.

As I said and Argee agrees---the food alone is worthing coming here for, and will extend the quality of your life.

Just on an economic level, basically one in three in the U.S. are on food stamps. Why do they let those people buy the junk food? They could put restrictions on food stamps, like 'good for' only natural foods that you have to really 'cook' (I don't mean in the bag)---like beans, potatos, vegetables, grains, meats, other raw foods---instead of frozen processed dinners, and other canned crap...it would make them healthier, maybe more apt to get a job and better their situation if they could, cost the nation less and better in the long run.

I recommend to everyone moving down here--bring a pressure cooker. They have great new and safe ones now....in order to cook all the healthy grains and nutritious meals, stews, etc, at a fraction of the time.

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Argee, if you somehow think that I don't believe in the importance of nutrition in maintaining health, you need to go back and re-read all I have ever posted. I think you will find that I have never denigrated the role of nutrition in maintaining good health.

I have been what most would consider a "health food nut" since I was 12 years old. I have studied nutrition for the intervening decades on a formal and informal basis. I am trained to distinguish that which is based on sound scientific principles, from sheer quackery. All my comments are made on that basis.

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Amen to that, Margaret. All you have to do to see the collective damage that the American diet has caused is to look at the chronic disease and obesity in that country.

I don't think, however, that it is worth the bother to bring a pressure cooker here unless you are bringing in all your household goods with you. Here in Guayaquil, and I assume elsewhere throughout Ecuador, they are readily available in all the stores. Yes, you will pay more for one here, perhaps, but if you're traveling or relocating light, pay the few extra dollars to buy it here. It is certainly an item that every cook should have, however.

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----I have debunked this nonsense several times but the moderator chooses not to allow it to be posted. I won't waste my time trying to post rebuttals under those circumstances.
The truth can be found by others that are actual truth seekers. I tried to present information that would make that easier for people, so your issue is with the moderator, not me.----

I think the issue is that you have some kind of parazites in your brain. I should study it and receive Nobel prize for my research. That would be great "debunking this nonsense".
So, keep writing, it is interesting.

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LilyaBykova, why is it that you have to personally attack everyone that doesn't agree with you? Others have noted the same thing on this forum and your ad hominem attacks are boorish.

The moderator doesn't see fit to allow me to respond to you fully, but your childish attacks are simply uncalled for.

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Hi Francisco123
My email is dave999@nym.hush.com I would be happy to listen I believe in some herbal and unusual remedies but also would be dead without modern medicine. I have always been open to try new things but there are some modern pharmaceuticals that I just have to have.

I like to see all opposing thoughts on subjects especially when the claims are pretty hard to believe, But also don't want to have a closed mind. I hope this board in not favoring one subject over the other as long as both are polite.

I had a sister with stage 4 cancer and we spent a bit off money on a combination of what is called the Rife treatment and herbs, salves and quitting cigarettes. The large expanding tumors small cell fast growing were reduced to scar tissue in a four week process and her doc said to keep doing whatever she was because he had never seen such a thing before. We were thrilled but Sis thought she had a get out of jail free card and started smoking and stopped the natural remedies. Well you can guess the rest in about a year it went to her brain and we tried the treatments again but they said upfront they had little success at that stage in the brain, She was dead shortly after that. I wonder if she would still be with us I miss her greatly she was my older sister Carol.

So personally being in poor health myself I like to read both sides.

Thanks

Dave

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Hi Dave,

I'm really sorry to hear about your sister. That is a tragedy, but I have also lost loved ones that just ignored all means of advancing their own health and there is nothing you can do to save people from themselves.

Like you, I like to read and listen to all sides of most issues, but I'm sorry to say that the moderators of this forum truly seem to have a bias in what they'll allow to be posted. I don't believe my posts were ever rude or personal attacks, but perhaps they saw it differently. I have read pretty deeply into the archives here and have definitely seen a bias in who the moderator favors and doesn't. The strangest part for me is that it seems if you write well and are highly educated, you seem to be discriminated against. I'm not talking about myself, but some of the posters in the archives that have been censored in the past.

My impression is that someone like yourself that seems truly to be a truth seeker will be able to separate the truth from fiction without any help from me. I wish you luck in that regard. My fear is that there are people that will rely on some of the junk science ideas that are being pushed here to the exclusion of modalities that could really help them with serious problems. It is one thing when the junk science modalities are benign, but some of them are actually harmful of and by themselves, so even if the efficacious modalities are used at the same time, the harmful ones may wind up overwhelming what is working and worse, as I say, is when a person shuns modern medicine entirely, in favor of something that is simply harmful or ineffective.

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Francisco, I understand your fears.

My own fears, based on the evidence-based medicine that you support, are about the proliferation of prescription drugs with TERRIBLE side effects, being used for nearly everything you can imagine.

Here in the States, watching any TV show, you will be subjected to powerful antipsychotic meds being touted for arthritis pain, for prescription meds for restless legs, for RX's for PMS.

The side effects are so dreadful, that my DH and I have taken to talking over them. "If you have a brain, a body, or would like to live to see your next birthday, don't take this drug."

Actually reading the research on many commonly prescribed meds will give you pause, as well. The number of drugs that barely exceed the placebo in their "effectiveness" is boggling.

Yet, they have received FDA approval.

I admit my bias: I make my living from nutrition. I have seen how simple changes in diet, getting rid of, or limiting, those poisonous processed foods so many of my fellow Americans live on, can improve one's overall health.

What we tell people is that we don't claim to cure anything. But that if you give the body what it needs, it can take care of itself.

I don't have enough knowledge of lypo spheric Vit C to comment on its efficacy.

I do know, however that there IS ample research on the efficacy of Vit C, and other antioxidants, to support the immune system in doing what it needs to do.

I understand that sense of disbelief. I'm an RN, my brother is an MD.

But guess who is the healthy one, and guess who's had, to date, 5 major surgeries on their back, who has been in chronic pain for over a decade, and who is dependent on muscle relaxants to make it through a long car ride?

Lilya has ample reason to believe in what she's saying. She has her husband, who was gravely ill, with her, and healthy.

I have ample reason to believe in the restorative properties of good nutrition: at 61, I am the oldest living sibling in my family. People assume I'm the youngest. I'm the only one who has not developed some chronic disease that will shorten my life.

And I'm the only one who "foolishly" takes nutritional supplements, along with eating well, to get the nutrients I need.

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I wasn't going to jump in here , however, I could not be quiet anymore. Yes we need to take care of our bodies and eat the right food's. I take vitamin's even though some Drs say we should not and maybe when I get to EC the food there is more orgarnic and I won't have to. However my Grandmother who was half Indian and raised in the midwest dug up root's and made spring tonic's and etc.she was like a lot of Indian's had Diabete's . She could not find a cure for that so she injected Insulin often. She make it to 88 and it was because she spent all of her life on a farm and we ate what we raised. The moral to this story why not use all that is available to us with a bit of common sense in mind.
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Hi Again, Mickiesue. I think you would be surprised at how much in agreement we are in our views about nutrition. If you saw the array of supplements that I take personally, you'd realize that I have absolutely no bias against them nor natural remedies for common ailments. You may have read a previous post of mine about how long I have been into this state of mind. Well over 50 years.

Because of my personal training and experience, I have learned to discount anecdotal evidence, thus your support of LiliyaBykova chosen modality based on her personal experience rings hollow to me. There are just so many other factors that could account for her husband's results that nobody could make a conclusion based on her claims. If you notice, I have assiduously avoided making a personal attack on her or what she and her husband have chosen to use to treat their own ailments. My caveats have always been to the readers of this forum to take what she pushes as science, with a grain of salt.

On the other hand, LiliyaBykova has made personal attacks on a good number of people on this forum, myself included, and she seems to be able to do this with impunity, while many of my responses have been omitted by the moderators. This certainly inhibits my desire to participate, as I'm sure you can realize that nobody wants to take the time to respond to a posting, only to find it not published by the moderators.

If you read the archives as I am presently doing, you will find that this has happened with quite a few of the more intelligent posters on the forum. They have either been censored out, or they just gave up in frustration.

My personal belief is that LiliyaBykova is a mean spirited, nasty person and if anyone should be censored, it is her.

As for the advertising you mention about drugs on U.S. TV, I have to admit that I don't understand it. That advertising is clearly intended to cause patients to pressure their doctors into prescribing the advertised drugs, and that is as ignorant as some of the quack science I see being pushed on many websites that sell the products they tout. If the FCC can prevent advertising of alcohol and cigarettes, why not prescription drugs? The answer may be that the big pharma lobby is just too strong, but whatever the reason, I like the way you and your husband deal with it.

I too, talk to my TV, but only during sporting events where I find it necessary to communicate with the referees that are being unfair to the teams I support. Sometimes, they seem to listen to me, sometimes they don't. Do you suppose they can actually hear me?

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You know, it's interesting that the local paper, the Star Tribune, is currently running a series on Alzheimer's research.

One of the most prominent researchers is noticing a common thread with mice. Omega 3s and other supplements have been shown to slow or prevent the development of Alzheimer's-like symptoms with them.

A Nobel winner was quoted in the story about her, stating that she is doing research that could lead to a Nobel of her own.

Right now, there is only anecdotal evidence for the efficacy of the antioxidants and anti-inflammatories. But it's compelling enough to follow it.

Lillya can be abrasive. But to watch the person you love be condemned to death by disease, and then have them back, is a life-changing experience. To joyfully share your experience, and have others mock it, is a different life-changing experience.

Again, I understand the desire to cleave to the double-blind study.

But leave your mind open to the possibility that what today is anecdote may tomorrow be seen as the beginnings of a groundbreaking advance in the healthcare.

One thing is, unfortunately, nearly a certainty. The research of the doctor I mentioned will never be well funded, because there are no big profits to be made by the sale of omega 3s or green tea.

Given that the same is true of Lillya's husband's plan of care, it behooves one to, if not accept it, at least be respectful of their trust in it.

Claiming that one is intelligent and dispassionate in one statement, and then describing someone as "mean spirited" in another lessens the believability of the first statement.

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mickiuse, we are in the same situation. My older brother is also a doctor (I'm a CPA, not an RN) but he had two strokes already and now under treatment for his prostate cancer. Both my father and mother died of stroke in their late and mid sixties respectively and I know what they ate. All my mother's siblings are all dead also in their sixties except for one-- my aunt who never lived in the city. She lives in a small coastal barrio where the main source of diet are seafood and vegetables. Transportation within the barrio are their own feet. Her diet is devoid of processed and sugary foods. She is now on her early 90s and still strong. Her memory is remarkable.

Francisco, I'm not defending Liliya here. I'm defending what she has posted about vitamin C. She cited a research published by a Nobel price winner which you debunked as quackery purely based on your opinion. If you can cite a research that proves otherwise (not funded by big pharma), then I will believe you...but between your unscientific opinion and that of a Nobel price winner, I would tend to believe the latter.
Everybody knows that you will die of scurvy if you don't have vit C in your body.

Dave, I know that you know already the value of proper nutrition and supplementation. If worse comes to worst, don't subject yourself to chemo and radiation. These treatments kills not only the cancerous cells but also the nearby healthy cells. It also weaken your immune system. Proton therapy is the better treatment for cancer. It targets only the cancerous cells and no damage on the good cells. It was perfected by the University of South Florida in Jacksonville and now being used by a few big hospitals. The machine is so expensive that the treatment is also exorbitant. It takes about 30 daily sessions to complete the treatment but you can go home right after every session. Unlike chemo and the ordinary radiation, this one has no side effect. This is the kind of treatment that my brother took.

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Now that's some good input from everyone great conversation getting along is a wonderful thing. I don't have cancer Argee but see how you would think so, I don't want to get specific and think a good combination of both modern and natural is the way I will go, I have a strong belief in both though it is funny I also very much dislike prescriptions being advertised on TV. I also think it wasn't that long ago our natural lifespan was a lot shorter and it was modern medicine that had a lot to do with that. I have though also seen some bizarre treatments cure some serious cancer so I also understand how happy Lilya must be and if it work for goodness sake keep it up. It makes me happy to hear it.

I also just won't suffer debilitating pain either when modern prescriptions can keep the pain at bay! I would rather live a few less years than live without quality of life. I will though not stop trying alternatives because if I can fix myself I would be a much happier man and at 51 I feel I have a lot of years left to contribute. Peace brothers and Sisters!

Great topic Thank you for it all folks.

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Argee, you need to go back and read the entire thread. LB didn't cite any peer reviewed research by either of the Nobel Laureates, she simply posted links to a biography of one of the men which had no citation of work on ozone therapy, and information about Linus Pauling on Vitamin C that has been debunked repeatedly by respected researchers, as well as a spattering of other links that cite sources that are hardly unbiased. I tried to post links that debunk what she posted, but the moderator saw fit not to allow it to be posted. This has happened several times. Please also keep in mind that Dr. Pauling's Nobel Prize had absolutely nothing to do with his work on vitamin C some 20 years later.

I have also clearly stated that I will not make repeated attempts to do this debunking for the forum when my efforts are being censored by the moderator. Why take an hour of my valuable time to research and write a response that is only left on the editors desk?

In response to my posts, LB has suggested that I have brain parasites. I have read other posts where she has called people insane just because she doesn't share their view. I'd call that mean spirited and nasty. If you go back into the archives, you can see that she has done this with quite a few people. Mickiesue takes issue with my characterization of her as being mean spirited, but I think it is well warranted.

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Mickiesue, I have just looked carefully at my own postings in order to respond to part of yours that reads as follows:

"Claiming that one is intelligent and dispassionate in one statement, and then describing someone as "mean spirited" in another lessens the believability of the first statement."

I can't find anything I have wrtten wherein I claim to be intelligent or dispassionate. Here are my only two comments that vaguely address either of those issues:

"The strangest part for me is that it seems if you write well and are highly educated, you seem to be discriminated against. I'm not talking about myself, but some of the posters in the archives that have been censored in the past."

It seems to me that the second of the two sentences above makes it clear that I'm not claiming intelligence, education or writing ability for myself.

Next, is this: "If you read the archives as I am presently doing, you will find that this has happened with quite a few of the more intelligent posters on the forum. They have either been censored out, or they just gave up in frustration."

In the above quote, I think it is also clear that I was referring to other posters in the archives that seem intelligent and were censored by the moderators. If there was any ambiguity as to who I was referring to in what I wrote there, I will qualify it now by telling you I was only referring to others in the archives, not myself.

I steadfastly maintain that LB is mean spirited and I don't think such a claim is any reflection on my own character, but rather, is an accurate statement, supported by facts.

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Hi Francisco, I actually appreciate your dissenting opinion here. If you can really cite a credible research that will debunked LB's post, you might actually be able to help her in her husband's problem. If what you have read could show that what she is doing would endanger her husband's life, then you are actually doing her a favor. That's the reason why I have to challenge you to publish it here. Otherwise, I still believe that what she is doing is right. In fact I know some instance that the amount of Vit C given to a cancer patient was 100 grams which is way up to the 30 grams her husband is being given.
Anyway, I accept your explanation. It's nice to have a discourse like this. Who knows it might help others. LB is unselfish for sharing this info and she should be appreciated. I wish LB could update us on the progress of her husband.

I know everybody knows already that Whitney Houston died due to alcohol reaction with prescription drugs (per coroner). Tox report will confirm this. This is the reason why I'm against prescribed drugs. It also happened to M Jackson, Elvis Presley, Nicole Smith, and other celebrities who died young because of drugs. It's better to take care of your self now than go thru this later. You enjoy life more when you are healthy and strong rather than weak and depressed because of unhealthy lifestyle/prescribed drugs.

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Argee, here is a direct quote from my post two posts above yours:

"I have also clearly stated that I will not make repeated attempts to do this debunking for the forum when my efforts are being censored by the moderator. Why take an hour of my valuable time to research and write a response that is only left on the editors desk?"

If you have an issue with this, please take it up with the moderators.

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Argee, my DH was telling me yesterday that he watched a discussion of this issue on CNN.

A guest, a doctor, was commenting that deaths from drugs, at a young age, used to be relatively rare in celebrities. They happened, of course (Think Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin).

But in all three of their cases, they were mixing heroin, which is a respiratory depressant, with alcohol.

Move forward just a little, and so many of the prescription meds for pain, which just happen to be the most popular for abuse, are similar in their effects on the body, outside of the central nervous system. They also affect the autonomic nervous system, and depress respirations.

Being able to be taken orally, they are more attractive; you don't have to inject yourself to get the effect.

But that doesn't make them any less attractive for people who want to dull the pain chemically. Nor does it make them less dangerous, mixed with alcohol.

Whitney Houston was found, unconscious (or dead) in her bathtub.

RIP, Whitney.

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Hi Guy's
I want to address the pain meds, they have been given a bad rap because of the abuse and I agree they are abused but some of us pay that price for the few bad apples, though today few is an understatement and as far as the celebrities goes those people have the whole world at their doorstep and frankly this will sound harsh but screw them. They have every opportunity that the poor don't have and yet they kill themselves it's not the drugs killing them it's like someone said they were mixing drugs and alcohol probably at such a dose it would kill me. As human beings I feel sorry for them but no more than a street kid or anyone else.

I would literally rather die than live with my level of pain so I take it personal when people abuse them so much that people with legitimate reasons have to spend a fortune following Federal guidelines here in the states! I am lucky in that my problem is easy to see and not one of the pains that you can't see the reason for it. As usual the Government took it overboard to the point many doctors and clinics won't even treat pain patients regardless of how bad the poor people (ME)shape may be in, I read somewhere that over 50% of the pain docs and clinics closed their doors it was so hard to follow the red tape. My Doctor she went and took class's to get certified just to be able to treat me, bless her heart she is an Angel I really don't know where I would be without her. The red tape she has to go through is amazing and her medical center only has a few people with pain issues, pain is only one of several for me!

You speak of it being better to be in good health, well bro some of use were delt different cards and don't have much say in the matter, It is not that easy as eat healthy and all will be fine. Come on man that kind of makes me angry I dare anyone to take a shovel and whack yourself in the knew every thirty minutes 24/7/365 and then eat well and see if you feel better, sorry it's a goofy analogy but I can't describe to you what true debilitating pain is like and its different for everyone and usually with all different problems and illness's as well.

The pulmonary issues tied to it are also somewhat accurate but it is not a cookie cutter mold either, which is I propose the biggest problem the Government has they treat all chronic pain the same With me you can see the problem with a MRI and CAT scan but you can't see pain. I work daily with some off the wall treatment in fact I can't remember a time when I am not either doing or reading about or planning the next thing to try. But until it happens give me the dang pills it's either that or a bullet and being a Christian man I dearly do not want the bullet!

I also don't drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes, my only vice is cigars I love my cigars they are my stress relief.

Sorry for the rant I just had to say my facts and you know what I don't know a single soul personally who abuses prescription drugs.

Thanks for listening!

Dave

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I have one thing to add, I have said this to Dr Nancy often I can not understand people taking pain meds for fun! while they dull the pain to a livable level they have side effects that make you feel funny for me it's not high it's weird, kind of like something is off a little so I just don't get it. They do mot make me feel good at all they just make it so I can live a manageable life, not a quality life but I am a fairly happy person so that helps.

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Hi mickisue,
Yeah, WH was found in the tub and according to the report, there was not enough water to cause the drowning. Per initial report by the coroner, it was alcohol and Xanax/valium that caused the death, subject to confirmation by a tox report.

Hi Dave,
Sorry for the pains you feel. As I have mentioned here before, I got involved in martial arts in the 60s and 70s. I used to go home with broken fingers, sometimes dislocated shoulders and hips, sprained ankles and I never took any pain medications. Maybe this is the reason why I have higher tolerance for pain. Just like you, I never smoked nor drink alcohol. When I was in my late fifties, I developed some joint and muscle pains. Again, I did not take any pain killer that the doctor prescribed. I know that pain medications are addictive just like what happened to Rush Limbaugh that got him in trouble. Aside from being addictive, it does not cure the root cause of the problem. It only masks the symptoms. On top of that, our body would tend to adjust to the medication that it would require higher dosage to make it effective. What I did was research the causes and cures. One item that caught my attention was Astaxanthin. I started taking it along with Krill Omega 3 and you know what, my pain was gone after 3 months up to now. Although it worked for me, it does not mean it would work for you. Each individual is different. My hormone and enzyme level might be working better than the others. One thing I'm sure, eating the right food also helps. Spinach looks innocent but it's high in purines that may cause gout to flare up. Joint pain is sometimes caused by your immune system attacking your joints. The food you eat would cause it. If I were you, I would try eliminating some foods from your diet that are high in purines and uric acid. If the pain goes away, then that is the root cause to your problem. That's what I did plus taking Omega 3 and Astaxanthin and it worked for me. Hope this helps.

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Thanks but it has nothing to do with food or pain tolerance, I also did four years of Thai Karate when I was younger, worked construction with three broken ribs, Took two molars out with pliers,was stabbed in the stomach but kept my money and if there were not three of them I probably wouldn't have gotten hurt at all and almost didn't, and none of the above is even remotely on the scale of what I feel without meds and I could go on but said enough to make my point, so I believe my pain tolerance is much higher than most who think they have a high tolerance, (no offense) it has nothing to do with food. The fix is operations that are not safe the chance of surviving is a risk not worth taking, kind of like flipping a coin, Listen guy's I am not asking for advice I appreciate it but have made my choices. I will as I said keep trying stuff but diet is not one of them. I was just explaining modern prescriptions have a place and I believe this, abuse doesn't and those that abuse for fun will end up on the bad side of addiction.

I have zero problems with using pain meds I am not anti modern medicine and I am reasonably sure there is not many on this board that know more about them the tolerances ect. If you know of such you can reduce on a regular basis to keep from increasing to doses that these movie stars and celebrities take for fun. Really thanks for caring but I got this. I should also say I am not in much pain except when I lower the doses to keep my tolerances lower and not out of control.

Now I just said more on an open forum than I am comfortable with so I am dropping at least my personal parts and if I can help or advise on others I will chine in, otherwise Thanks but peace out brothers and sisters. I also should say don't hold my usual open mind against me because I just am not into fixing bones and other body parts with diet.

Take care and really Thanks :)

Dave

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I have followed this thread with interest - mainly from the point of view of what people will believe. We see it in politics, religion - every aspect of life. And I don't intend attacking someone here but of people in general.

As for medicine, people will grasp at virtually anything that will help them when they are sick - especially if they have a termial illness. The history is clear - from going to Tijuana, Mexico for coffee enemas to the - literally - hundreds (thousands?) of others.

People believe what they want to believe, no matter the facts - - there is no global warming and reduce rich peoples taxes and they will create jobs being two of the biggies. The fact that there is not one single reputable person on the planet that has studied the facts that does not say global warming is a serious problem and if reducting rich peoples taxes creates jobs, where are the jobs after the biggest reduction in their taxes in history. (Note - I do not cosider people on the payroll of major corps that have a serious stake in denying the facts as reputible and considering that overwhelmingly rich people don't start businesses but live off such things as buying bundled home mortgages and putting their money in offshore accounts.)

But I am off subject -

There are certainly many very good - and totally natural - things that will help our bodies. There are also many very good drugs made in labs around the world that will help our bodies. There are also dangers in both worlds - quacks that push their "natural" cures and drug companies that care only for the bottom line.

But the facts are the facts - people live longer today because of modern medicine and to bury ones head in the sand and say they are bad is just that - burying ones head in the sand.

There are unexplained cases of sudden refersal of a desease - even cancer - and when one of these cases happens just when the person is soaking their feet in motor oil three times a day, suddenly there is a group of people that will swear by soaking ones feet in motor oil as a cure.

Most of the time the quacks do no harm - other that taking vast amounts of desprate peoples money - but sometimes they are deadly when they prevent someone from getting the medicine they really need.

This post will not change anyones mind - those that believe motor oil will cure all ills will believe and drug companies will continue to push bad durgs on the world. Just use a little of that common sense we were given and seems so many are of such short supply.

Pease - jb

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Bravo.

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Dave/Jeb1, what is important is you are happy with whatever decision you make in your life, regardless of its consequences. You have the prerogative to do whatever you want that fits your lifestyle. What this thread is trying to do is impart some knowledge that might be of help to others. If you think it does not apply to you, then forget about it. It's your life and that's all that matters.
Bless you all!

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Thanks Guy's and Gals have a great day and Jeb well said brother!

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Hey Dave, since we have something in common (MMA), who is your top 5 pound for pound in UFC? Here is mine:
1. Anderson Silva (Brazil)
2. Dos Santos (Brazil)
3. Jon Jones (USA)
4. GSP of Canada
5. Jose Aldo (Brazil - my favorite especially his flying knee)
In boxing, here is my top:
1. Manny Pacquiao (Phils)
2. Floy Mayweather, Jr. (USA)
3. Nonito Donaire (Phils)
4. Sergio Martinez (Argentina)
5. Andre Ward (USA for winning the Showtime tournament)

Since you read the Ecuador forum, I would surmise you have the intention to move in this country. The fresh air coming from the P Ocean in Salinas is great for early run in the morning on the beach. If you are into it, we may run together up to the restricted area in Chipipe. How about that?
I understand if you don't reply. Take care!

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Hi A
No worries I'll always answer questions mate, I am not into the MMA at all, My training was in my late teens and I'm 51 now so I still may have the reflexes but not the body to match, Also it has changed a lot in 30 years when I started it was pretty basic in my opinion more natural but as I said I don't follow what I can't do myself any more. As you read about the need for multiple meds if you think about it hard enough you can imagine running on the beach is not in my future getting up a couple flight of stairs without having a heart attack is what I call a successful day.

Sorry to burst your bubble and if you were teasing me shame on you. Have a good day.

Dave

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Hi Dave,

I'm really sorry to hear that you also have some heart problems.

I'm not teasing you at all. In fact, the only reason I participate in this forum is to share my experience in the benefits of proper nutrition and a healthy lifestyle hoping that it could also help others. I'm now 66 years old but I can still do what I used to do before. I can still pound on my human dummy punching bag for many rounds when it's raining and I could not go out to run.

Dave, it's never too late to reverse any health issues if you do it right...and I'm sincere on this. I know you are not seeking any advice but it makes me feel good when I'm able to help somebody else.

Dave, if ever you decide to move in Ecuador, specifically Salinas, let's hook up and have a healthy dinner. Salinas is small peninsula that you can easily spot expats.

Take care and hope you'll be in good health soon.
Have a nice day.

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Thanks bro I'll be sure to let everyone know who want to get together, I will need all the help I can get LOL

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Who is this nutcase Francisco123 ?
He must work for the pharmaceutical companies. IV vit C is curing cancer all over the world. 60 to 80 grams a day will do the job. You have to IV because this is way past the bowel tolerance level. The alternative doctors have to keep a low profile or the will be attacked by big pharma or even shot. 12 shot already this year.

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Liliyas husband passed away from cancer quite awhile ago. He died from the cancer

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Unfortunately, starting a new treatment after cancer has already reached stage 4 is a real challenge.

At that point the cancer has spread and people are starting to weigh a lot difficult options: one more round of chemo? a hospice? home care?

http://thepowerofozone.com/116-reports-of-cancer-successfully-treated-with-ozone-therapy/

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"stage 4 cancer is a challenge"

I agree but there are many cases where stage 4 cancer was beaten... one of them is the founder of HIT (Hippocrates Health Institute) Dr. Ann Wigmore. She had stage 4 colon cancer but totally cured it using plants, grass and herbs without chemo and radiation. She died not of cancer but smoke inhalation from a burning building at age 84. Google her and you will find other stories of cancers cured the natural way including her co-founder of HIT.

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That's true. Unfortunately sometimes alternative therapy can't undue all the damage done by chemo, radiation, and surgery.

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Exactly Nick, which is why it would be better to forego all that chemo, radiation and surgery in the first place........unless of course you are hit by a truck or caught in the crossfire and some good doc has the pleasure of pullin the bullets out of your carcass and cleanin ya up to send ya back to the front lines............

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