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chargersfan
  6/5/2012 10:42 EST

I was at a recent gathering at a friend’s house here in Cuenca and I finally encountered Bigfoot. Not the same Bigfoot as reportedly “seen” in America’s Pacific Northwest, but the Bigfoot that is rumored about but just never seen by me!
My friend had previously told me of a group of local “followers” that believed the U.S. Apollo lunar landing was not real and that the whole thing was “faked.” She told me some of these same people believed the U.S. is involved in an ongoing mission of spraying chemicals “chem-trails” into the atmosphere of populated areas via military aircraft. Apparently, these “chem-trails” are utilized by the U.S. government to control the thoughts/actions of unaware citizens. I found her tales of government cover-up and mind control amusing and relatively harmless. I subscribe to the “Whatever floats your boat” theory and being from California, I consider myself to be pretty accepting of other’s beliefs and lifestyles.
So here I am in my friend’s home enjoying my fermented beverage along with some tasty “Scooby snacks.” As the group of us was talking of a planned trip to Vilcabamba, one of the first-time guests (who shall remain nameless) suggested one or two locations for us to stay while visiting Vilcabamba. She asked if we’d heard of the former NASA astronaut O’Leary to which we responded with yes we had. (This is when we ALL broke the cardinal rule of “No Politics, No Religion” at social gatherings.) The topics of sightseeing, restaurants, and lodging were quickly replaced with the aforementioned U.S faked Apollo lunar landing. I now was in the very presence of the ever elusive Bigfoot!
This “guest” told us of a recently installed communication’s tower in Vilcabamba. Before she could expand on the subject, I chimed in that in order to keep the mind controlling brain waves from penetrating, one must wear an aluminum foil cap. (I couldn’t resist the opportunity). My friend then said to this woman, “You’re not one of those people that believes the holocaust never occurred are you?” This “guest” then responded with “Well.., actually it didn’t.”
I was at a loss for words! What do you say to someone who honestly believes that? Needless to say, I had had enough. I stood up, said “I’m going to go now,” and left. Remember when I said I’m pretty accepting of others? And how those types of conspiracy beliefs are harmless? Having seen Dachau (one of Germany’s infamous concentration/extermination camps) in person while stationed in Germany with the U.S. Army, I no longer think that all beliefs are benign. I was personally insulted as any former or current member of the Armed Services should be. The monumental price paid by our servicemen and women and by the members of other militaries in response to Hitler’s atrocities is incalculable. The unknown number of innocent Jews who were systematically murdered.. Future generations forever vanished from this planet. How can one believe that this type of belief is harmless? It is, and deservedly so, an affront to the human race.
I’ve seen Bigfoot. And it’s an ugly creature..

mickisue
  6/5/2012 11:29 EST

Excellent message!

Being even handed in the face of real inhumanity is not admirable.

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CoffeeSnob
  6/5/2012 12:30 EST

Wow! How did you restrain your anger? Anyone who loves humanity would be offended by her comment about the holocaust. Even though I'm reading this info on an anonymous forum, I am offended.

Summersmist
  6/5/2012 12:45 EST

Unbelieveable! Was this person really serious? Scary!

booby
  6/5/2012 13:05 EST

I don't know why it is, but Ecuador seems to attract gringos that gravitate toward every conspiracy theory that comes along. That would include 9/11 inside jobbers, Birthers, Chemtrails, Holocaust Deniers and yes, even Big Foot Believers. I suppose there are gradations to the ridiculousness that each of them embraces, but when it comes to the Holocaust, (where I lost antecendants) it does trespass into the offensive.

At times like this, my pal Kenny always trots out his Edmund Burke quote:

"The failure to condemn an activity is indeed, an offer of tacit approval. All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing."

Silverwater
  6/5/2012 14:08 EST

This infuriates me. My aunt married a camp survivor. He was so grateful to have a family after losing all of his, and was so sweet and kind to all of us. When my own father died, he was there for me, teaching me to swim, to play miniature golf, attending my dance recitals. As I grew older, I better understood why he seemed haunted at times. I'm the worlds least violent person, but if this woman had said this to me, I probably would have slapped her.

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mickisue
  6/5/2012 16:04 EST

My connection is third hand; one of my best friends in nursing school had a grandma who'd been in the camps.

I wrote a paper in high school about Kristallnacht and the camps, and for weeks had nightmares.

To think that anyone is boorish enough to believe that those horrors didn't happen, and just plain stupid enough not only to believe it, but to give voice to that belief in public, is too much to take for any human being.

Summersmist
  6/5/2012 16:33 EST

Silverwater, I will stand right behind you in line to slap this person. She sounds like the type that would fit in a cult.

booby
  6/5/2012 17:25 EST

Hmmmm... testosterone, even from the girls here.

When does the lynch mob form? I want the popcorn concession.

nickspm
  6/5/2012 20:02 EST

My favorite conspiracy theory is the one I still hear on the evening news.

Apparently, many Americans actually believe that Osama bin laden was behind 9/11.

Silverwater
  6/5/2012 20:14 EST

Lol Booby. I'd never actually do it, but there been a few people I've enjoyed slapping in my mind. I am kinda hungry for popcorn now though....

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booby
  6/5/2012 20:22 EST

Even among the squabbling factions that come up on this forum, there seems to be universal agreement that everyone loves Silverwater. I'm in Alabama right now, can't somebody get that poor girl some popcorn? And why not bring her some straw man to slap around a bit to indulge her fantasies? She probably slaps like a marshmallow and won't hurt anything.

chargersfan
  6/5/2012 20:36 EST

nickspm- I knew it would just be a matter of time before one of the conspiracy kooks chimed in.. “Tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.”

DUNMOVN
  6/5/2012 21:28 EST

Nick
You must watch Fox News

DUNMOVN
  6/5/2012 21:33 EST

You're too late I already paid $10.00 for that concession

nickspm
  6/5/2012 22:33 EST

chargersfan,

Your perspective doesn't surprise me. Most Americans are viewed as a bit narrow-minded and judgmental.

DeborahM
  6/5/2012 22:48 EST

I too visited Dachau and Bergen-Belsen during several decades proudly serving in the military. I admire your restraint, E ..."leaving" would not have been sufficient for me...but I suppose you know that. There are many different kinds of "judgement" in the world 'eh?

booby
  6/5/2012 23:12 EST

nickspm wrote: "Your perspective doesn't surprise me. Most Americans are viewed as a bit narrow-minded and judgmental."

You may well be right about that, but that doesn't make your conspiracy theories any less nuts.

J3ff
  6/6/2012 00:15 EST

I am not a big fan of conspiracy theories myself. Not that I don't believe that some who want to hold on to power would not pull one off if they thought they could, but for more practical reasons.

Most of the theories require a massive amount of people to remain quiet. This just is not human nature.

Take 9/11 for example, it's not like Bush and his two best friends from highschool or college could pull that off. It would take thousands of people keeping thier mouths shut.

All that said, I do not believe governments around the world are always honest about thier activities for obvious reasons. I am sure the official story and what really happens are often not in line with each other. Not because of evil reasons necessarily, but again more practical ones. Like "If we say we did this and that to find someone, then we can no longer use that trick to find and solve other problems" - I think it's because of this fact that people become conspiracy minded when all the facts may not line up perfectly.

The holocaust thing kinda bugs me. I am not old enough to remember it obviously, but I have seen some pretty horrific photos that all were published long before George Lucas, or photoshop were around. Today anyone can fake a photo, back then it was much harder if it were even possible at all.

nickspm
  6/6/2012 00:41 EST

booby,

I think it depends specifically on what is being discussed.

Public relations originated with the army trying to persuade the public to think a certain way.

Truth wasn't a prerequisite in the distribution of propaganda.

Edward Bernays was genius at shaping public opinion. Of course he wasn't worried about the truth. He was trying to persuade people, and he did. There were probably people then as now that questioned the 'official accounts' of news stories when things just didn't add up.

The media is no different today. It still plants false stories to convince Americans that we need to go in and invade this country or that one. Much of what we are told isn't true on the evening news.

You may see people that question things as whacky conspiracy theorists, but I see people that mindlessly accept what they are told on the TV evening news as being hopelessly naive and easily manipulated.

wynn
  6/6/2012 01:07 EST

Chargersfan, is this conspiracy theorist from Vilcabamba? I truly hope not, as Vilca looks like the movie version of Shangri-la...beautiful!

It's incomprehensible some of the distorted beliefs people have, when pictoral and archival evidence of Hitler's determination to exterminate the Jews, the crippled and the deformed is on record in almost every European country (and in Canada and the USA). There are many people alive today who can attest to the horrors, so, how do all the conspiracy nuts explain collective memories? We can't afford to forget the horror and tragedy of it all, particularly when there is another lunatic waiting in the wings, threatening to blow Israel out of existance. I'm all for Netanyahu's (sp?) preemptive strike against Iran to keep that from happening! But I'd like to be in the Shangri-la Valley of Vilcabamba when does..

booby
  6/6/2012 08:35 EST

Nickspm: I agree with all you have written in your latest post, and I'm not doing so arguendo or to be patronizing. There is truth in your words. However, to conflate that with acceptance of your hinted at belief in notions of a 9/11 conspiracy as you have clearly done is simply nuts. The U.S. government did not bring down any of the WTC buildings and yes, Osama Bin Laden was behind all of it. No, Bin Laden was not captured, wrapped in Saran Wrap and kept on ice until convenient for the government to claim they had finally killed him.

nickspm
  6/6/2012 11:19 EST

booby,

Let me provide a couple of pieces of information that will, if nothing else, possibly make you look at things in a slightly different light.

I'm not suggesting that this is the end of the story -- or that this is absolute proof of anything, but it does, I believe, make one wonder a bit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1Pd_tCjSyc

http://whatreallyhappened.wikia.com/wiki/FBI_Has_No_Hard_Evidence_Connecting_Bin_Laden_to_9/11

DUNMOVN
  6/6/2012 11:25 EST

Well, if Bin Laden was not behind 9/11, then it must have been Obama, after all he is a Muslm

And of course anything you see on UTube has to be true!!

booby
  6/6/2012 12:03 EST

nickspm: Let me begin by telling you that I appreciate the non-hysterical way you have so far approached this discussion. Let me follow that by telling you that I actually watched the video and read the information in the link you posted. Far too often, when people have already taken a strong position on a particular issue, they don't have the intellectual rigor to consider new evidence, nor to re-evaluate their own thinking. I want you to know that I'm not defending an ideological position here.

That said, what you have provided doesn't even rise to supportive evidence of anything. It was a snapshot taken at a time in the past of what was then purported to be a lack of evidence for something that has since been well established. It is less than anecdotal evidence, it is anecdotal innuendo, and even as that, it is very flimsy.

I repeat, based on overwhelming evidence and abiding common sense, the United States government was not involved in any conspiracy to bring down the WTC and Bin Laden was the mastermind behind the plot that actually did. All of the other conspiracies I have alluded to previously are equally ridiculous. As specifically regards 9/11, I have actually read all the information that the conspiracy theorists put forth and it is voluminous. I have seen every single bit of it debunked through science, logic and common sense. Please let me be clear about this. I have seen ALL of it thoroughly debunked, not most of it, and those that still cling to their conspiracy notions do so because they allow their wishes to be the father of their thoughts.

nickspm
  6/6/2012 14:08 EST

booby,


As we all probably remember, the media came out and said that Osama bin Laden was behind 9/11 the actual day of the attacks.

Now, we've come to find out that about five years after 9/11 the FBI admitted that they didn't really have any "hard evidence" connecting Osama bin Laden to the attacks of 9/11. Even the retired general, Peyton Cole, found this information "puzzling" in that interview that I linked to previously.

Let's be clear. This information from the FBI shines a huge spotlight on a major fracture in the official version of what the media has been telling us from day one.

Now, respectfully, if you are privy to some information that neither I nor the FBI have seen that proves once-and-for-all that Osama bin Laden was behind 9/11, I think we'd all be pleased to finally see it and put any lingering doubts aside for good.

divehavn
  6/6/2012 14:15 EST

Peyton Cole?

OMG - they'll say anything and are so knowledgable.
cant win an argument against that kind of archived resource - i surrender.

booby
  6/6/2012 14:39 EST

Nickspm: It is truly amusing the way you repeat the same information that I have just dismissed, and think you are presenting new evidence. Your attempt to cast seeds of doubt isn't working with me because I have been trained to think logically and see through the subterfuge.

I don't care that Peyton Cole is a retired general, his puzzlement (at the time that little snippet was taken with absolutely no context) carries no weight of evidence for the conclusions you make. So what, a man was "puzzled". Clearly, a lot of you 9/11 conspiracy people believe the same nonsense, but if you parade a thousand of them before a camera and they all say they subscribe to the nonsense, that doesn't give any more credence to the nonsense than if the Easter Bunny was making the allegations.

You go on to conclude that the information you have presented "shines a huge spotlight on the major fracture in the official version of what the media has been telling us..." Balderdash. Just because you characterize it that way, doesn't make it so. In fact, it is not so.

At this point, you are wasting my time and I won't give you any more of it. Trying to reason with you is like trying to teach a pig to sing. All it does is waste my time and annoy the pig.

chargersfan
  6/6/2012 15:51 EST

nickspm - In an effort to be helpful, I am providing a link to a plethora of conspiracy topics from which to subscribe. This, I’m confident, is only a partial list but there appears to be enough to satisfy your run of the mill “broad minded and non-judgmental” conspirator.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories
Maybe, after you’ve selected a few, you can create your own post and espouse your views..

divehavn
  6/6/2012 15:57 EST

booby -


general peyton cole

general clayton powell

this is what you're arguing with.

mickisue
  6/6/2012 15:58 EST

How did we get from some creep who denies the Holocaust to 9/11 deniers?

Oh, that's right: conspiracy believers are not only a little (or a lot) nuts, they are also extremely desirous of the spotlight.

wynn, that horrible person may, indeed, be from Vilcabamba.

But if you are looking for a home where, as Garrison Keillor says, "All the women are strong, all the men are good looking and all the children are above average", you will only find it in the mythical town of Lake Wobegon, MN.

There is nowhere on earth that is perfect. We create our own perfection, we don't get it given to us.

nickspm
  6/6/2012 17:48 EST

That's incorrect, divehavn. I was referring to Brig. Gen. Peyton Cole (Ret.), not General Clayton Powell.

divehavn
  6/6/2012 18:41 EST

ok - i'll give you that one. his name was George P. Cole apparently changed to Peyton Cole upon retirement.

nickspm
  6/6/2012 20:25 EST

divehavn, I appreciate that.

pilotguy
  6/6/2012 20:55 EST

Booby, You are doing it again.. Please stop. I am in tears, please , please stop this... joe

booby
  6/6/2012 22:05 EST

nickspm wrote: "That's incorrect, divehavn. I was referring to Brig. Gen. Peyton Cole (Ret.), not General Clayton Powell."

I assume you mean General Colin Powell.

wynn
  6/7/2012 01:56 EST

You're right Mickisue..there is no Paradise on earth..and, from the YouTube videos I've seen, a lot of Vilca's denizens are a little strange. Hopefully they are strange but harmless LOL..

Regarding the Boys' attempts to enlighten Nickspm re. his 9/11 conspiracy theories... I remember seeing a video of Bin Laden sitting in a cave, surrounded by his hangers-on, and gleefully explaining how the towers would fall when the heat of the fires reached a certain degree and how imperative it was that the airplanes impacted the centre of the towers in order to accomplish this. As a construction engineer - he'd have that kind of knowledge. If Nickspm wants to believe his own government was responsible, there's not much y'all can do to persuade him otherwise?

There are people who believe the landing on the moon was faked; that JFK was actually shot by an FBI sniper (on the grassy knoll), and that the CIA is responsible for every political assassination the world over. (I personally think the CIA is not that good - bunch of bumblers). If someone told me that the Mossad slit the throat of an arms dealer in a dark alley and silently slipped away - that I would believe.

Save your breath.

richalich
  6/7/2012 09:25 EST

Great conversation! I'd love to add my two cents... Having experienced Vilcabamba for about 6 months, I would like to touch briefly on the nature of the conspiracy theorist expats who eventually convinced me I would be better served living in Cuenca. For many, Vilcabamba is the end of the line...the place to go to hunker down for end times. For those thus motivated, they consider it a place that will be survivable when (not if) the world collapses. In general, they have deconstructed EVERYTHING..from God to religion from nationalism to government right down to laws, ethics and morality. They toss it all, regardless of content. Few, if any, are critical thinkers. They simply shed an entire belief system like a suit of clothes and put on another, fully defined by the likes of people such as David Iche, George Green, etc, and off they go, the newly converted, zealous in their beliefs that, among other things, the Moon is a mother ship, most U.S. presidents since Kennedy are clones, the holocaust was staged, less than 40,000 Jews died in Europe, the chemtrails, the Pleadians, the Zetas, Queen Elizabeth ruling the world, (actually now it's some little known guy in Switzerland!)..house cats as spiritual healers...the dollar collapsing in less than 90 days..( it's been happening now for almost 3 years now!) I could go on and on. I have heard it all. I cannot tell you how many dates there were and are upcoming which foretell apocalypse. These things were the topic of conversations at every gathering, ad nauseam. The paranoia was rampant. The fear and anxiety pervasive. Everyone ELSE is under some sort of "spell' brought on by consumerism, the government, etc. Only these people know the REAL truth. Oh boy. As the old saying goes..'It's a nice place to visit, but...'. Vilca real estate prices will probably take a dip in January 2013 when they realize that the Mayan calendar maker probably just ran out of stone...

DUNMOVN
  6/7/2012 09:41 EST

You are correct from my three trips to Vilcabama, it is a one horse town, the horse and the place is overrun with aging hippies who have been smoking too many mushrooms. But then I am just a cynic.

richalich
  6/7/2012 10:00 EST

I've been known to exhibit a touch of cynicism too, Dunmovin. But darn it, in my estimation you're not far off the mark. The drug scene there is another matter altogether...stuff I hadn't heard of since the 60's! Cuenca never looked better!

hroygentry
  6/7/2012 11:36 EST

I have an excellent source that tell's me the world is comng to an end and the only ones that will be spared will be the people with out worldly goods , so send me all of your money and Bling , just in case.
Now the rest of you just go back to the Big Rock Candy Moutains. Where it don't rain and it don't snow and all of the cops have rubber legs.
Please someone stop me!

nickspm
  6/7/2012 12:06 EST

LOL!

By golly, where do these whacky conspiracy theorists get all these "crazy" ideas?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/54496416@N04/6979738469/

chargersfan
  6/7/2012 14:21 EST

nickspm - Let me get this straight. You post a link of a picture of group of people around LBJ. One of men in the photo has one of his eyes closed. And you interpret this as a covert signal to LBJ that the mission is accomplished and he is now the U.S. president? You continue with your bizarre claims. Try this on for size.. STFU already! You are no longer welcome on my post. Create you own and disappear.

wynn
  6/7/2012 16:39 EST

Vilcabamba is a one horse town...LOL, thanks for my giggles of the day Dunmovn. I'm sure it appears so to some, to others who live there it may be a peaceful home? The drug (used for medicinal purposes, so I hear) is San Pedro. I'm not sure the hard stuff is prevalent ? I certainly hope Vilca is far enough away from the drug trade routes (Peru via EC to Colombia), to be free of serious drug problems?

Anyway, I'm not looking to live like hippies, survivalists / doomsday preppers, pot heads or anything like that..I want to rest my old bones in a peaceful place where the the world and its attendant woes are remote. But also where I can travel a few miles down the road and take in a show, visit a museum or library.. I guess I want it all.. Btw, I once Googled "Remote islands" and there are a few islands in the South Atlantic I can escape to LOL To get to Saint Helena (where Napoleon spent his final days), I would need to take a ship from Capetown South Africa - a voyage of 5 days (no airport, no nuthin'), but the downside is that it is expensive to live there.

We are waaay off topic aren't we? Sowwy!

mickisue
  6/7/2012 16:53 EST

"most U.S. presidents since Kennedy are clones,"

You have crushed me. I thought that the Bushes were supposed to be extraterrestrial lizard people.

richalich
  6/7/2012 17:14 EST

Hahahah. Don't stop now!

ekehrig
  6/7/2012 17:31 EST

NEW IMMIGRATION OFFICE IN CUENCA!

RAnna Lucia Surano Lopen the "Regional Under Secretary of the Ministry of External Affairs and Immigration" was recently interviewed on "http://overseasradio.com/ecuador-at-your-service/" on 6-5-2012 Hour 1. To find out the location or answers to your questions call 087-210-901. That is the number for the new office in Cuenca.

BigEd49

Kazoo
  6/7/2012 18:43 EST

As for Vilcabamba, it's about 5-6 degrees warmer than Cuenca.

wynn
  6/7/2012 20:03 EST

Hroygentry and Mickisue...you're killin' me! LOLOL !

Hwy101
  6/7/2012 21:25 EST

Kazoo, do you live there or Loja?

Kazoo
  6/7/2012 21:44 EST

Neither, but maybe moving there soon. I've been checking the daily weather.

AlanInVancouverBC
  6/8/2012 18:19 EST

Can we move this to Private Messages? They have no place in this forum.

booby
  6/8/2012 19:44 EST

And once again, AlanInVancouverBC shows up and thinks it is either his right or his duty to inform the rest of us what is and isn't appropriate on HIS forum...

When will you wake up and realize that we just don't march to your drum?

withoutego
  6/8/2012 20:58 EST

Last year in Cuenca I spoke several times in public about the alien invasion and microwaves from space. Perhaps you came to one of our gatherings at Zoe's. I wore an aluminium foil hat to protect myself from the alien mind conditioning.

Yes I do believe in big foot. As several of you have observed I myself have size 52 feet. When I try to buy shoes in Cuenca I get only wide eyed expressions from the sales people. Little children on the buses stare at me, they know I am an alien.

The most interesting thing about the foil hat thing is the light it shines on human nature. As I have talked to people, researching this stuff, I've decided that less than half of humanity is rational. The tendency to drift to the irrational is deep rooted in humanity. It serves some need. Reality is not friendly, easier to customize it, sand the rough places, fit it to one's world view.

The shrinks call it cognitive dissonance. I call it "loco en la cabeza"

w/o ego, back in EC in July

mickisue
  6/8/2012 21:44 EST

MWAH! to withoutego.

booby
  6/8/2012 21:57 EST

Those of us that go back a while (or those that have read the archives) remember that not only can sinego write, he has a sense of humor.

Ah, but ego, I caution you that your words border on the blasphemous and prudes in Vancouver will take great umbrage at you not observing their notions of decorum on this forum. Use caution lest he invoke the wrath of the True Believers upon you.

DUNMOVN
  6/9/2012 06:24 EST

The poor conspiracy theorists all have one thing in common they grew up with fluoridated drinking water which we all know is a communist conspiracy.

chargersfan
  6/9/2012 08:41 EST

I guess this mess is my fault. I felt the need vent about what I experienced that night at my friend's gathering. I should have known the topic was somewhat controversial. It is scary how many conspiracy theorists are among us. Are there a disproportionate number of “them” living in Ecuador? Even some of the Ecuadorians I’ve spoken with think there are some weird Gringos living among them. I can only attribute this type of paranoid thinking to having the privilege of growing up in a free society, free to believe and practice whatever one chooses. I wonder how many conspiracy theorists there are in North Korea? Maybe we should look at these people as a blessing in that they are a product of the free society that allowed them to indulge in their beliefs. This was my first post and I must admit I got aggravated by the hijacking that occurred. If I ever start another, maybe I'll choose a topic less controversial.

DUNMOVN
  6/9/2012 08:46 EST

You and Donald Trump would agree, he is of the flat earth society who refuse to believe that President Obama was born in Hawaii The common thread in the mind of all these types is: don't bother me with the facts, my mind is already made up.

richalich
  6/9/2012 09:42 EST

I'm not a big poster, chargersfan, but you touched upon something that needed to be spoken, the so called "elephant in the living room" that no one wants to talk about. I have lived in Italy, Mexico, India and have not experienced whole groups of expats who consistently believe the same gibberish. Of course, most expats (like here) simply want to enjoy life, the culture, retirement. But the theorists here are a more radical, fearful and evangelical lot. It's all just another form of the religion they have mostly rejected coming in through the back door..Maybe the proximity to the end of the Mayan calendar has brought them out of the closet. As i referenced in my first post, and I stand by it, a lemming with stripes is still basically a lemming. David Iche is the new prophet. People need to believe something and don't want to put TOO much thought into it. Like a gangsta who buys a black Escalade with 24 in. rims, you get into something that makes it easy to define who you are.

wynn
  6/9/2012 15:23 EST

Chargersfan, don't feel bad about the way your original post has taken flight on the wings of fantasy..it has been very interesting and certainly entertaining, even if it had little to do with information on EC, it was fun (not to mention funny).

I did get the vibe, watching youtube videos on Vilcabamba that there were an inordinate amount of Expats moving there on the belief the world was going to end as per the Mayan long count calendar. I was surprised to note they thought ETs lived there too?

Bummer! It's more likely ETs, the feathered serpent, and werejaguars are in Mexico! And that the majority of end-of-the-world bunch have flocked to Teotihuacan. Or how about Sedona, AZ? Those of you who are awaiting end times need to get your hindquarters over to Mexico ASAP. (*gigglesnort*)

richalich
  6/9/2012 16:00 EST

I have watched a fair number of his Youtube videos and scanned the Biggest Secret, just to see what all the buzz was about...I don't doubt his appeal to many..he's a showman...I spent 31 years as a clinical researcher and he's not my style. I don't dismiss the content of his work out of hand and can clearly understand why those who like him do so. I'll leave it at that.

jeb1
  6/9/2012 16:08 EST

Wynn - it they are right, does it make a difference WHERE you are at the time? Just askin'. :) - jb

J3ff
  6/10/2012 02:37 EST

I have not read the entire thread yet - can someone give me the cliff's notes on it? Have we touched on how the CIA created HIV to keep the gays and the black man in line, or how Zombies will soon walk the earth yet?

If so, have we decided if the zombies will be slow walking or running?

/sarcasm

mickisue
  6/10/2012 14:09 EST

Based purely on my reading here, I would say that there may, indeed, be an inordinate number of tin foil hat people who either have moved, or are seriously contemplating a move, to EC.

My theory is that places that are perceived as unspoiled by most of us are perceived as ripe for converts by the True Believers.

It's like (no offense to any who might practice this particular religion) the Mormon missionaries.

I don't see many of them, here in the land of Lutherans, because those young boys know that they won't have much luck.

But we saw a number of them in front of the University in Bari, Puglia. Stopping to talk to them, (mostly about how their moms must miss them, heh) we learned that they'd only recently arrived from Sicilia.

Those who are intent on converting others to their POVs seem to think that, if they go somewhere where the language is different, they will be able to succeed, where those who are fluent in their own tongue can refute their arguments more easily.

That, and, of course, people who are different in any way trigger the tribal instinct to fear the Other.

When you are both different (gringo) and different (conspiracist) you will be more easily remembered, and seem to be more prevalent, in the process.

richalich
  6/10/2012 16:14 EST

I enjoy your perspective, mickisue. I am reminded of my ancestors who made the reverse migration from southern Italy in 1900..in search of a new life, a new land, where 'opportunities' abounded. You can simply show up one day and voila!.. a tabla rasa lies in front of you. There is a chance for re-creation. A new canvas to paint as you wish. What had come before matters little to your new countrymen and women. Day to day life may seem less entangled in restrictive rules, laws, bureaucratic processes, depending on where you have arrived from. There is some truth to all of it, I believe. Some I know have come to "show 'em how it's supposed to be done". And a small (and extreme) group I have been exposed to believe they are Doc Holliday reincarnate and they have just stepped into Tombstone....it's an interesting study...and a great place to be.

wynn
  6/10/2012 16:30 EST

Mickisue & Richalich - good posts!

Jeb..I thought the tin foil hat group might want to be in Mexico when Quetzacoatl opened the underground passages in Teotihuacan and made an appearance to the faithful? Quetzacoatl is not likely to show up in Vilcabamba, even though the name Vilcabamba means "sacred valley" (I think)? In case y'all were wondering how I know about the Feathered Serpent and all of this mumbo jumbo...we've been bombarded ad nauseum with 2012 schtuff in books, magazines, TV documentaries..I'd have to be living under a rock not to know something about it.. LOL

tomlynch
  6/14/2012 19:42 EST

"We can't afford to forget the horror and tragedy of it all, particularly when there is another lunatic waiting in the wings, threatening to blow Israel out of existance." --- Wynn, what the heck are you talking about? Oh, stuff you saw on t.v., I get it... Sorry to burst your fear/hate bubble, but nobody is threatening Israel. Israel is threatening everyone else (not much has changed over the past six decades). At present, they are the world's 6th largest nuclear power, have the 2nd largest F16 fleet on the planet and are exploiting the US to overthrow every nation they don't like... Why on earth would you wish for a brainwashed American populous to be lied into yet another war against another innocent nation? What if the mainstream media is lying to its idiotic, gullible viewers about Ecuador next week???!!! Would you want them to mindlessly support a "let's bomb the crap out of Ecuador" campaign, blessing you with depleted uranium and horrific birth defects for the foreseeble future? This planet would be so much better off with critical thinkers instead of programmed people. Have you ever wondered why television programming is called exactly that, television PROGRAMMING?

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  6/15/2012 15:13 EST

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withoutego
  6/15/2012 21:22 EST

On the foil folk. I am facinated by them. I find religeon interesting too for the same reason. I do believe, with respect to all, that there isn't any difference aside from the numbers and their influence. I don't think humanity will get anywhere with so many people wondering around in such a fog...and I'd give our chance of surviving another thousand years as about 50-50.

Why people need to create the weird when there is real stuff, just as scary, to talk about...I can't figure out.

For example. A few months ago in Cuenca I started bothering folks with NEMP. I must have sounded just like the aliens among us or microwaves from space people. But, NEMP is real and it is "indicated" by several trends...real stuff.

NEMP is Nuclear Electromagnetic Pulse. It doesn't help that Newt has talked about it either...but reality doesn't gain or loose as a function of how many or who believe (this unlike the conspiracy stuff)

If a fairly small nuclear explosion occures at the very top of the atmosphere, say 100 miles up, it will produce a wave of fast electrons. This is in effect a very energetic radio wave. When it encounters conductors, copper, aluminium etc on the surface of the earth it will induce current, lots of current. Enough current to melt just about any wiring of any length. Any and all power lines for example. All the transformers in the grid will go boom. Hundreds of thousands of them.

This isn't just theory, its been proven by the USA and by the USSR. Their tests agreed with and proved the theory back in the 1950's.

The trends lines that are landing on one another to make this possible, even probable are. First, there are countries and NGOs that would like to cripple the USA. Second, Building or buying a medium yield nuclear device becomes more probable as time goes by for that country or NGO.

A first rate power like the USA would become a preindustrial nation in litterally a few seconds if the East and/or West coast(s) were NEMP'd. There is no defense against a rocket launched straight up from a sub or ship a hundred miles off one of those coasts.

As with the terrorist attacks of ten years ago the US had better be watching something so indicated, so desirable to many bad actors, an attack so possible.

Being self centered my thought was...There goes my money. The ATM in Cuenca would not have any funds for me. The US government would stop paying me a pension. I would be at the top of the escalinata with a tin cup and a monkey (or a small gringo in a monkey suit) begging.

serious stuff, and foil wouldn't help at all.

withoutego

DUNMOVN
  6/15/2012 21:42 EST

Another mushroom smoker, what is it about Ecuador that attracts them.

Marinoni
  6/15/2012 21:46 EST

"Another mushroom smoker, what is it about Ecuador that attracts them."

Mushrooms??....just a guess.

OceanHideaway
  6/15/2012 23:34 EST

@ Dunmovin'

Just FYI ~

You
Eat mushrooms...
Drink alcohol
Smoke grass
Snort coke
Shoot heroin
Drop acid and
Swallow pills

... from someone who lived through the 60's and 70's -- and still recall some of it!

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jaz2012
  10/16/2012 23:52 EST

History has shown that bigfoot is just another myth! no one has ever found him or seen him in reality!
With regards to Holocaust, many people around the world believe it has never happened and I am one of them. I believe that some sort of massacre has happened but no to the extent of all the publicity given to it, it has become commercialised and celebrated evey year due to propaganda, on the other hand, the genocide that has happened in Congo when Leopold, king of Belgium killed over 2 million people and the civil war that claimed the life of over 25 million people in Uganda and Angola and millions of displaces or massacred people in Palestine: yet these have no publicity, no remembrance just because they're poor nations and have no propaganda or media behind them! but they are a reality!
With regard to Ossama, Bin Laden, no one can be as naive as some thinking that a broken man from a cave in Afghanistan can plot a huge, well though of operation like 9/11, this is the work of powerful, rich governemtn with advanced intelligence system in place. Ossam was not captured by the Americans! he was sold by one his men, fed up with the miserable and poor life and wanted to make some money when he saw that America was paying a ransome for Ossama, hence he sold him to a security agent who then called the Americans. This security agent is very well known in Pakistan and now has been relocated to US for his own safety and family safety, otherwise he would be killed by fanatics in Pakistan or hanged by the government as a traitor!

dksuttle
  10/17/2012 11:32 EST

Bigfoot in Ecuador? That would bee me!

oldgal
  12/27/2012 17:31 EST

People like that don't live exclusively in Ecuador.

nickspm
  4/1/2013 11:33 EST

Breaking: USAF Academy “Chemtrail” Manual Available For Download

(Fall 1990)

http://chemtrailsplanet.net/2013/03/31/confirmed-the-word-chemtrails-first-published-by-the-air-force-academy-in-1990/

Omega
  4/1/2013 14:38 EST

So what?

This certainly doesn't change the fact that you are a fool, does it?

remoore2001
  4/1/2013 17:28 EST

Omega you've got to have better self control.Don't feed the animal

OceanHideaway
  4/1/2013 19:47 EST

APRIL FOOLS!

nice one ...we almost thought you were serious nickspam!

Omega
  4/1/2013 20:11 EST

Darn, remoore, I did it again. I need to keep your number handy. Don't AA guys have a buddy system like that? I need one too, for the Lunatic Fringe.

Omega
  4/1/2013 20:15 EST

"APRIL FOOLS!

nice one ...we almost thought you were serious nickspam! "

Ooooh, nice out, Susan. Wish I had thought of that one...

nickspm
  4/1/2013 21:51 EST

That's a good one, Susan!

I wish more people could manage cognitive dissonance with a sense of humor.

Scorpio11
  4/1/2013 22:16 EST

@ Susan

Very perceptive of you Susan.

In fact 2 nights ago "Coast to Coast AM" had a show where they dealt extensively with this subject
and "debunked it"..... beyond any reasonable doubt.

I felt ashamed of myself, since I was also one of those who used to believe in this kind of stuff.
Not anymore!

Here's the show, for those who may be interested and...... for Nick, especially !
I'm sure... he'll cool down ..... after listening to the " evidence" !

Coast To Coast AM - March 30 2013 - Debunking Chemtrails

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtB42PUV4s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rzs8mwr6dw

Once again..... Good work ! :-)))
We've got to nip this kind of ...."delusional attitudes"..... in the bud !

Scorpio11
  4/1/2013 22:24 EST

@ Omega

Congratulations !
You remind me perfectly of a .... Greek Choir ! ;-)

I thought at first ...." papagallo" ( parrot) but that would have been an .....OVERKILL !

Right Susan ? :-))

OceanHideaway
  4/1/2013 22:36 EST

....chorus....

...you meant...Greek Chorus...

Scorpio11
  4/1/2013 22:45 EST

@ Susan

Absolutely right ! ;-)
Just checking, .... to see if you are at your post ! :-)))

Great work again ! :-)

Omega
  4/1/2013 23:38 EST

"Chlorine is environmentally friendly breaking down to simple salts quickly but killing mosquito larvae..."

Not according to the lunatic fringe...

The EXACT same is true with aluminum salts that the LF claims comes from chemtrails and is poisoning the soil. Of course they ignore the fact that these aluminum salts have always been there and just currently happen to be at their lowest levels in decades:

http://metabunk.org/threads/615-Debunked-Dane-Wigington-s-10-quot-bullet-quot-points-regarding-geoengineering

http://www.wnd.com/2010/09/206525/

nickspm
  4/2/2013 00:23 EST

Omega,

I think that is a pretty good article, but what do you think about this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfAkhMRdP9k

Omega
  4/2/2013 01:04 EST

Sorry, my mom won't let me watch youboob.

Scorpio11
  4/2/2013 16:13 EST

@ Nickspm

Nick,

It seems to me that you forgot that proverb which states that,....

** You can lead a horse to water,...... but you can't make it drink ! :-)) **

BTW,...... Funny link !
" ...... but I was in the Marine Core,... so I know what it is" ! :-))))))

nickspm
  4/2/2013 18:22 EST

While on air another meteorologist discusses the chaff the Air Force drops overhead. This chaff is allegedly used primarily to confuse enemy radar systems. It also interferes with local weather forecasts, which use Doppler radar.

Others know this chaff as chemtrails, as it is sprayed from planes as an aerosol spray.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc0TWVtozio

Omega
  4/2/2013 18:42 EST

Right, the "Marine CORE" and I'll bet there are a lot of fools that believe you were actually in the armed services. Too bad they all live in Vilcabamba and believe the same garbage you do.

nickspm
  4/3/2013 22:45 EST

Encore: Correa Discusses Chemtrails

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7Aa8W4QoPs

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