dumluk
10/21/2016 22:58 EST
What do you think folks? Ecuador is very much involved in this drama.... http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-21/wikileaks-reveals-heavily-armed-police-gathering-outside-ecuadorian-embassy-london
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remoore2001
10/22/2016 11:03 EST
I think Ecuador is just tired of his B/S. It is in Ecuadors best interest not to be seen as interfering in the US election and they have made that clear to Assange. Also Correa knows he'd rather not see Trump in White house. Let them drag his ass out and end the game
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dumluk
10/22/2016 11:54 EST
Its surprising how many people actually think like that now......even friends of mine in Hawaii. But if that happens then how will we know what the Deep State is planning and plotting against us? Or is that not important, and as our TRUSTED and RESPECTED leaders, they have a right to do any g0$%^&*m thing they want undetected, irregardless of whether it is in our best interests or not.......When was the last time they actually did anything in our best interest? Umhhhhhhh...........dont know if my memory goes bak that far........Lost too many brain cells to Flor de Cana...........
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kmoriarty45
10/22/2016 13:11 EST
remoore2001, I confess to being somewhat of a political junkie and have been following the posturing and positioning of the presidential contenders and their various parties and ever-changing political alliances, I wouldn't, if I were going to bet on next year's outcome, bet against Alianza País. Especially, since they have wisely decide to put forward Lenín Voltaire Moreno Garcés as their choice for President. Lenin Moreno is extremely well liked and respected and a savvy politician. He has used his physical disability to his great advantage and has been a champion for disadvantage people of all types. He is a formidable opponent. While I think that Alianza Pais may lose some of their power in the legislature, the other political entities are too fractured to assume control and there are too many big egos in play, to form a coordinated effort behind one single presidential candidate to defeat Moreno. In any event, it is interesting to see how all of this will play out - especially in comparison to the fiasco going on Stateside.
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remoore2001
10/22/2016 14:04 EST
I also think Moreno will win, for the same reasons you state. Having said that I think that Ecuador is getting tired of Assange. Correa has come out directly and said he would feel better if Hillary won. I also feel that with whats going on in SA politically at this time Moreno will be a little more open to the USA. As far as the 2 different elections, they are very different characters. One of my young Ecuadorian friends put it best to me. He said in the US you have 2 crazies to split the vote, here in EC we have 9 or 10 crazies and only one group that actually sticks together. So IMHO Alianza Pais will continue to win until the opposition can find one person to rally behind. As for worrying about what some gov't official said in a private e mail, I just don't care. Throw Assange out and let the Swiss have him. Quit giving him a soap box to stand on. He's just a hacker and thug
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cristos7
10/22/2016 14:18 EST
I've long been cautioning people about the plausibility of a Trump presidency, and indeed it became his to lose, which I think he has finally accomplished. He is simply too crazy and deluded to stay on point ("Make America Great Again!) and otherwise keep his f*ing mouth shut. What is now more likely is that we get four more years of the same ole, same ole, and then elect a truly dangerous psycho in 2020...
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DDR
10/23/2016 17:49 EST
That's one point I liked about the Ecuadorian govt was Assange got sanctuary for exposing the corrupt US govt w/o going overboard as Chavez did.Tell those in Ecaudor supporting the USeless govt.There's Guyana, Boliva and Uragauy too.
If they bend over for Kerry we can settle elsewhere. and spend our $$$ there.
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ecbound
10/23/2016 19:33 EST
I'm disappointed that Correa is taking the side of the corrupt bullies in our government. They must know Assange has some very damning evidence to come, and the media can only bury it to a certain degree.
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dumluk
10/23/2016 20:22 EST
@DDR.........dont you think were kinda running out of places to go? I mean Ecuador runs on U.S. dollars now, which means the big U.S. Banks/Fed and I.M.F. are yanking his chain too...........and he IS an economist at the end of the day......as he has proven.........unfortunately.....as I was one of his more vocal defenders for a long time........Correa has proven that even HE, when push comes to shove, allows $$$ to havethe last word..........I mean where can you go now where it is warm and tropical, and has world class waves, and is still bueno, bonito y barato? Im afraid its gettin to be a very short list..........
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cristos7
10/24/2016 14:09 EST
I haven't followed Mr. Correa's words or deeds in any way, but that he (and others in Ecuador) stand up to the US AT ALL takes a lot of guts. Temporarily cutting off Assange's internet was a token gesture - he is NOT 'broadcasting' Wikileaks from the Embassy. (BTW Disparaging Assange and/or Wikileaks is assinine.) > That said, the only reason I jumped into this was to 2nd DL, who cogently summed up why he *should* move to Ecuador before the door closes...
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kmoriarty45
10/24/2016 14:50 EST
I don't think it's is so much Correa ( per se ) is bowing to U.S. pressure. I really think Assange, long ago, became The Man Who Came To Dinner ! Once he was ensconced in the embassy there was no getting rid of him. What originally was a slap at the U.S. gov. boomeranged on Ecuador - not so much the symbolic gesture, which was supposed to originally, be short term until Assange worked out his problems, Then they couldn't get rid of him ! From what I heard, from someone who is familiar with the embassy in London, Assange isn't the ideal house guest And as everyone knows, house guests, like fish, begin to stink after a while ! In short, this was simply part of a semi-subtle plan to get Julian to quit darkening the papel higienico and move somewhere else - like Iceland. BTW. Julian is/was running Wikileaks out of there - much to the dismay of his hosts. I don't think the Government of Ecuador will be shedding any tears when Mr. Assange finally takes his leave.
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nickspm
10/24/2016 15:56 EST
There was an attempted break-in at Assange's quarters in the embassy back in August. The perpetrator escaped, and police took two hours to respond---despite the embassy being in the middle of London.
Hillary Clinton has already "joked" about having Assange droned. Well, joking or not, that would be an attack on Ecuador's embassy in London.
As it stands, Assange is still receiving refuge from Ecuador, That said, Correa probably knows it's not a good idea to antagonize the Americans when things are running so hot politically in the US..
Regardless of what happens to Assange, he seems to have utilized a number of dead-man's switches. This means that Wikileaks information will be released on his behalf regardless of whether he is alive or dead.
While Assange is still alive and has internet access, he can practice some restraint on what is released. Taking away his internet will probably only assure much more devastating data dumps being made available to the public.
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windshadow
10/24/2016 17:04 EST
Is it US pressure or is it Clinton/Obama Pressure? When Assange was providing Ecuador with hacks from the USA, Wikileaks could do no wrong. Under Sec Clinton, emails were provided to Ecuador that got the US Ambassador's cula in a jam and sent back to the USA! Yea Assange! Now, just say, "how soon we forget those that helped us?" I like Correa! I think he has done wonderful things in Ecuador. We also must remember, we are talking about politics. I really do see both sides of the decision and it is a "damned if you do and damned if you don't" situation. Even though I don't like or agree with anything that stands in the way of transparency in government, I also don't agree with messing with elections. However, when it is providing evidence of criminal conspiracies in government regardless of which party is involved, I say "shine the light brightly on the truth!"
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nickspm
10/24/2016 18:42 EST
You're right. I think the implication is that if Assange shines a light on Obama/Clinton corruption---then he, Assange, is essentially ' interfering with the election process.'
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remoore2001
10/24/2016 19:27 EST
Ecuadors next pres is going to go to the IMF for loans no matter what. Which country do you folks think has the biggest say in the IMF? Ecuador is between a rock and a hard place right now with the economy. They can no longer count on oil to bail them out since the price is terrible and the Chinese already own most of it due to loans. You are all being naive if you think it's an accident that Pres Correa is not running for re election at this time
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DDR
10/25/2016 08:44 EST
Ecuador could put Assange in a large diplomatic pouch and ship him out to another embassy and let him go there.(Swiss embassy)
If Guyanna wasn't so backwards (they speak english) that might be a good alternative.Chile is nice,but too continental.Bolivia and Evo gave the feds the bums rush ten years ago. :-)
Supposedly, Assange is continuing the data dump of the Emails.It isn't like he's playing favorites,he'd dump on the repubs too if given the material.
It's getting difficult to flee the US.The supposed fence really isn't designed to keep Mexicans out,rather to keeps us in. :-(
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remoore2001
10/25/2016 10:20 EST
Wow DDR,you have moved into the paranoid whacko area. No need to take you seriously anymore.
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DDR
10/25/2016 13:51 EST
Lol,
In the land of the blind.
Remoore (seriously) they need tax slaves.It's foolish to think that the govt can tax the rich to plug up the hole of largess.The US could turn into Venezuela (where they aren't eating pet food,they're eating their pets !)
If the govt took every cent from the 1,000 + billionaires and left them all destitute. That'd pay off about 15% of the national debt maybe.The US govt is in such a hole if interest rates returned to average. Service of the debt's interest would take such a large percent of revenue that maybe they'd have just enough left for a smaller military and that'd be all.
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dumluk
10/25/2016 15:28 EST
I think youre all at least partly right. Its obvious Assange has worn out his welcome. In the embassy anyway........But if Correa really wants him out, why cant he use Ecuadorian diplomatic immunity to waltz him outta there and onto a plane headed for south america......Do you think the English at the behest of the Americans would violate that diplomatic immunity? Not that I dont want to see him continue to leak the dirt on our corrupt and deceitful politicians, but I think its time he looked for a new base of operations.......Is there anyplace outside of drone reach anymore?
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windshadow
10/25/2016 19:20 EST
Dumluk, I agree with your idea but there must be some major risk of Assange leaving the Ecuadorian Embassy grounds, I am not sure diplomatic immunity would protect him and his escorts. Interesting thought. When any powerful government or people have you in their gunsights, you are not safe. It would be interesting if someone that knows more about that sort of thing would chime in.
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DDR
10/25/2016 19:52 EST
If Assange was "dumped" in Switzerland the Swiss likely would give him refuge and Correa would have one less problem.No one in a long time has attacked the Swiss.
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remoore2001
10/25/2016 22:14 EST
Well Dum you have proven the first part of your name is correct. Diplomatic immunity only applies if you are a registered diplomat of that country. Assange has never been listed as a diplomat of Ecuador. Do you think all these countries are so stupid that they would have been playing this game for the last few years? There is a reason that the UK has had police outside the embassy. It's so they can arrest him, and extradite him as soon as he is off the embassy grounds. There is no place where he can go as if he leaves the embassy he will be arrested. Have a few more rum and cokes, get some sleep and maybe you can remember what's been happening. HE'S TRAPPED YOU IDIOT
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remoore2001
10/25/2016 23:04 EST
Don't mean to be a smart ass. (Oh yes I do) You all need to look up how you get"DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY" The host country has to offer it WHEN YOU ENTER. If the host country doesn't accept you AS A DIPLOMAT you have no immunity
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kmoriarty45
10/25/2016 23:19 EST
Diplomatic Immunity and Diplomatic Premises vary slightly from country to country but all conform to the 1961 Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations ("VCDR") (and the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations 1963 and Consular Relations Act 1968). Diplomatic immunity is granted by the host country to all entitled members of a foreign mission (and entitled family members forming part of their household,) who have been notified to, and accepted by the host country, as performing a diplomatic function. Immunity is dependent on rank, and ranges from immunity from criminal and civil and administrative jurisdiction to immunity for official acts only. While diplomatic premises in the UK are part of UK territory, they are inviolable and may not be entered without the consent of the Ambassador or Head of Mission. This is pertinent in the case of the alleged break in at the Ecuadoran Embassy in London. The police responded immediately, AFTER they were notified by the Ecuador mission. According to British law, any offences committed in diplomatic premises in the UK are triable under the ordinary principles of English law, subject to the principles of diplomatic immunity for those who have it. Now for Mr. Assange there is NO diplomatic immunity, since he is neither part of a diplomatic mission nor in the employ of the embassy. He has sought asylum from POSSIBLE prosecution in Sweden for alleged sexual assault. To date, he's refused to give deposition to the Swedish authorities, fearing, so he claims, that if the Swedes got their hands on him, they'd immediately deport him to the U.S. to face espionage charges there. But, since you cannot be deported ( usually ) to a country other than the one of your nationality ( or whatever passport you happen to be carrying at the time, he claim is a little spurious. Also, to the best of my knowledge, there is no outstanding international warrant for arrest, Sweden, ( a neutral country like Switzerland ) would be unlikely to extradite him. His fear of a U.S. rendition are a product of his own paranoia. Ecuador doesn't care where he goes - so long as he goes somewhere. They've even tried to broker a deal, where the the interrogation, and deposition, could be taken at the embassy - that's how eager they are to get this sideshow over with. The Julian Assange fiasco is a tar baby of their own making !
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PACountryBoy
10/26/2016 12:22 EST
DDR... No one screws with the Swiss because EVERY CITIZEN is armed and trained to use their guns...plus they have a complete network of tunnels to move forces every where under the country. Ever wonder why the crime rate is so low there? : >)))
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DDR
10/27/2016 11:34 EST
Feds finally got the Swoosh to give up some US cits holding secrete accts.
some doesn'y mean all US cits with such accts were snitched on.
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dumluk
10/27/2016 15:03 EST
Not just becuz they are all armed Countryboy, altho that doesnt hurt........but more the fact that Switzerland is a highly civilized and educated country with virtually zero poverty until they started lettin in all the immigrants from Turkey and Sri Lanka and wherever else........then the crime wave began, not to mention the drug problem which they too a unique approach to trying to solve.........Switzerland still one of the best and richest and safest but not immune either...........my ex is Swiss, and my son has a Swiss passport.........
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