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newton1122
  11/9/2016 15:09 EST

I have been planning and researching a move to Cuenca for about 2 yrs. I believe that with the recent election results I will be making that final decision.
I have been learning Spanish thru Rosetta Stone, is there any advice that anyone can give in terms of preparing my self mentally or other- wise to make this move.

HomeExchanger
  11/9/2016 16:51 EST

Know how you feel. Learning Spanish is crucial. Please consider Pimsleur or Michel Thomas audio courses. Rosetta Stone doesn't stick unless you're 3 years old.

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withoutego
  11/10/2016 04:14 EST

Don't count on learning any Spanish until you are here in Ecuador. Haggling in the market or conversations with neighbors is the way the language is learned and exercised. You can read about riding a bicycle but nobody learns to ride that way. Both are motor skills. Learn to mimic the voices you encounter in Cuenca, not the voice on the CD.

As for the AH you refer to in the thread title..... Learning Spanish will take your mind off it a little bit.

Advice? - get a little Spanish English dictionary, one you can carry at all times. Build your vocabulary a few words every day - its a long term process.

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cccmedia
  11/10/2016 06:20 EST

Seriously? You’re considering leaving the U.S:A. before Rudy Giuliani is appointed Attorney General .. Chris Christie is appointed Secretary of Transportation .. and Judge Judy is appointed to the Supreme Court!

dumluk
  11/10/2016 09:05 EST

Haha, as silly as it sounds it cant help but be an improvement to what we have had the last 8 years.......Now about the DOJ???

andrewestes
  11/10/2016 09:33 EST

I have been planning this move for just over a year. I will be there next week! If political refugees start pouring in, I will be the first in line to help raise the drawbridge. The US is in trouble, but it has been for 16 years, not because of an election. The Ec. should be a retirement paradise, not a place for political refugees. Ec. has it's own issues, luckily, most of them are far more noble than the issues rushing the US.

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LADDIED
  11/10/2016 11:02 EST

Not silly at all. I can not believe that people are upset that they could not elect the worst, most corrupt, most unqualified candidate in the history of our country.,
They seem to take the lying news articles seriously.
The amazing thing is that the people claiming to be educated are the ones supporting this. Shows that they were wasting their time and money, on the education. The working class actually listened to what Trump said, not what the DNC and the corrupt news service said.
The working class people have a group intelligence, and street wisdom that seems to get lost at the university.
Trump is a much better man then the news gives him credit for. He has real world business experience. He is tough enough to take on the DC crime cartel.
We do not need another career politician who knows nothing about real life on the street and everything about taking money from the working class and giving it to the idle rich.
The attorney general is a mindless idiot, who is not capable of giving a straight answer to anything. She has to go.
We have a bumpy road ahead, but hopefully our people are strong enough to prevail and move beyond the age of privilege and corruption.

LADDIED
  11/10/2016 11:07 EST

My only worry about Ecuador is that they use the dollar. This could become a problem if the long predicted crash of the dollar was to really happen.
I hope that the new President will continue the program that has helped this country become a safe and comfortable haven.

ecuadorjoe
  11/10/2016 12:02 EST

Yes, e welcome leftist, racist, socialists and communist's with open hands. Hurry up.

HomeExchanger
  11/10/2016 12:33 EST

Can the political rants please be moved out of the welcome forum?

marqu72
  11/10/2016 12:48 EST

Didn't like the trumps back in the 70's when I lived in NYC. They would not rent/sell/lease to Blacks and Hispanics. When I moved to Atlantic City in the 80's, Trump stiffed 243 regional companies,many of them went under after being in business for 50 or more years. Nothing to admire about a deadbeat bringing down small local companies that helped the local economy.
He built the Taj on junk bonds and we all know that was catastrophic to AC.
Somehow I fail to see anything to admire about a sexist, racist, shyster.

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DDR
  11/10/2016 13:25 EST

Trump's election was the middle finger to the status quo. :-)

Too bad voter's revenge usually doesn't turn out as expected.

It seemed the Clinton foundation was kind of a slush fund too.

It gives me hope the US citizens would actually revolt.

Most aren't prepared for what is to come for the US financial system.
US govt doubled the debt in eight years.The service of this new found debt $10 trillion.Where the hell did the money go?Back in the day the US could have fought two world wars and misc conflicts for less money. :-(

ecuadorjoe
  11/10/2016 13:51 EST

LADDIED, I totally agree. You are right and we all know who is financing the rioters.

kensate
  11/10/2016 14:54 EST

I agree HomeExchanger, this is not what this forum should be about.

roncuenca17
  11/10/2016 15:14 EST

election is over, too bad you lost. your comments mean nothing to the united states of america. so Fu Off

kmoriarty45
  11/10/2016 15:33 EST

DDR,
Back in the day a cup of coffee was a nickle and Sat. matinee at the movies was a quarter.
Get over it. Them days ain't never coming back.... Ozzie and Harriet are dead !!

bluewind
  11/10/2016 16:20 EST

I'n all my years, I never would of believed someone like Trump would be elected to be able to sit in the Oval Office and make decisions about what's best for this country. Now that the repubs control Congress, it's no wonder why so many people are scared. He's attacked just about every group of people there is, except white guys. Never thought I'd see a day like this. People say he is a uniter, but who has he united?

bluewind
  11/10/2016 16:26 EST

The working class people are hurting and are desperate for a well paying job. But somehow in their logic, they think the illegal immigrants are taking away their jobs? I wonder how many of them are willing to work low wages in restaurants, hotels and in the fields to replace these people. And why would he crack down on companies that produce their products overseas when he is doing the same thing? Maybe I'm missing something.

southern
  11/10/2016 16:27 EST

HERE, HERE, LADDIED! You said it perfectly! 8 years of lying and corruption is 8 years too much. USA doesn't need another 4 years of it!

ecuadorjoe
  11/10/2016 17:16 EST

Yes. you are missing the fact that students cant get any of those jobs. So you will pay for their education, at least they think you should pay.

ecuadorjoe
  11/10/2016 17:21 EST

Let me remind you, when Obama got in he had a Dem. congress and senate and spent billions of $ on companies that left Detroit after they got my money.

ecuadorjoe
  11/10/2016 17:23 EST

I agree totally but dems. lost and are complaining.

PACountryBoy
  11/10/2016 19:45 EST

Ecuadorj....The DNC is advertising on twitter for "activists" to demonstrate at $11,25/ hr. What happened to minimum wage?

PACountryBoy
  11/10/2016 19:54 EST

HOME EX...Oh....Boo hoo hoo. We didn't realize that we had somebody so important and so busy that they didn't have time to waste on this thread or to claw their way through our meaningless comments. PLEASE accept our humble apologizes, your highness! : >((((

PACountryBoy
  11/10/2016 19:55 EST

ECjoe....Hey, Joe. What about us red necks?

PACountryBoy
  11/10/2016 20:01 EST

BREAKWIND...You definitely are "missing something"...A) Common sense B) Intelligence and C) Homework. It's over....stop your whining, Snowflake. : >(((((

mantatiger
  11/10/2016 20:02 EST

I think ObamaCare cost Hillary the election. Simply put, the Rust Belt decided this election. Those that do not have much money left over each week, finding that their medical plans not only ended up being canceled, but they had to pay 40% more for less benefits and higher co-pays. There has been 2 price increases just in the time they started it. Sure many people got health care that didnt before, but at what cost. People talk with their hearts, but vote with their wallets. Wis, Mich, and all those states, the middle class just can't afford being forced to purchase $1000 a month for healthcare for the family when it used to be $600.

PACountryBoy
  11/10/2016 20:04 EST

Kmor...LMAO....So is Hillary's career. Do you think she will look good in an orange jump suit? :>)))))

bluewind
  11/10/2016 20:26 EST

Not complaining. Just worried. Maybe Trump will have a come to Jesus moment and was born again like some preacher said he was a while ago, so maybe all is good. Maybe he has seen the light and will put aside his bigotry, sexism, etc., to make the USA better for everybody. Making a u-turn of ripping people off would be very impressive. Don't know the guy personally, so maybe he can pull it off. It would be both historical and biblical to say the least.

bluewind
  11/10/2016 20:30 EST

My concern if I was in your situation is that if Trump does increase tariffs to China, etc., the dollar will be worth less. My guess is if that happens, China's products will cost less offsetting the dollar.

PACountryBoy
  11/10/2016 20:35 EST

BREAKWIND... Me either but than I never thought I would see a Socialist Community Organizer in the oval office either. I was going to apply for a Community Organizer's job after Barry got elected but than I couldn't figure out to whom I should send my resume. Soros? And all those people who are "scared" that you mentioned ... scared of loosing their handouts oh, I'm sorry, "entitlements"? I guess "the white guys" outnumbered all the "snowflakes" and "weenies" this time around. Your "man" had his shot and crapped in his mess kit, now it's the "DJ's" turn. Like he said, "What the hell do you have to loose?" Let's see what a business man can do vs. a community organizer. I think I know where I'll put my money.

bluewind
  11/10/2016 20:37 EST

fact check. partially true. O'bama had a democrate congress and wasted it, but he didn't blow billions of money because of it. Also keep in mind as far as jobs are concerned; O'bama tried to push through a bill to provide money to build our infrastructure and provide well paying jobs, but guess who blocked it. Now that Trump things it's a great idea, everyone's for it, eight years later.

bluewind
  11/10/2016 20:48 EST

Well, kick back and relax on the lawnchair you use for a sofa with your chips and beer and enjoy. A year from now, you will still be sitting on your lawnchair with your chips and beer waiting for things to get better. Look at the positives. Muslims gone. Illegal immigrants gone, black people put in their place but your beer and chips are still there. Might cost more, but I'm sure you mind that. That's what minimum that Trump defends is all about. Chips and beer.

bluewind
  11/10/2016 20:55 EST

Here's an idea. Instead of blaming others for your pitiful life, how about getting a low wage job, than at nights, go back to school to learn a new trade and go from there. Beats blaming life for your problems.

nickspm
  11/10/2016 23:08 EST

"Not complaining. Just worried. Maybe Trump will have a come to Jesus moment and was born again like some preacher said he was a while ago, so maybe all is good. Maybe he has seen the light and will put aside his bigotry, sexism, etc., to make the USA better for everybody. "

I'd worry more about whether Bill Clinton can stop raping women---and if Hillary can stop trying to cover it up and threatening Bill's victims with violence to stop them from coming forward.

On the other hand what is it going to take to get Bill and Hillary to finally acknowledge and accept Bill's illegitimate mixed-race son named Danney Williams?

cristos7
  11/11/2016 02:53 EST

Trump was baptized by Gotti, and he only wants a few points of the IRS's action;~). And Bill was raping women to please Hillary. (Geez, haven't you watched House of Cards?;~<> Nothing will change...

ecuadorjoe
  11/11/2016 08:10 EST

Bluew.. You are correct he didn't blow billions he blew TRILLIONS. And who got the money? How many jobs were created? How many thousands of people are not counted any more as unemployed? I hope your children and grandchildren will not have to pay for this. He generously give me $4 month increase, can I buy you an ice cream?

ecuadorjoe
  11/11/2016 08:13 EST

PACc.. Can we red necks apply for the $11.50 looting job at DNC? We will leave the beach for a few weeks.

ecuadorjoe
  11/11/2016 08:17 EST

Bluew. What was the deficit prior to Obama vs. now, fact check?

mckenzy
  11/11/2016 09:03 EST

I feel the same way. I'm outta here. Cannot stand the thought of seeing his ugly face and hearing that disgusting voice for the next few years. Sorry, but that's my POV.
I just got back from a 2 week ex-pats tour of Ecuador. It was wonderful and very informative. I plan to move to Cuenca in about one year, if I make it that long.
Yes, you must learn some Spanish. Everybody has an opinion on the best way to do that but everybody recommends you start now before arriving so you can at least ask for what you need and can greet people easily. And, greeting people is highly expected in Ecuador, unlike the states where we never say hello to people we pass on the street. There, you must. And when you do, it opens a whole world of community with the people.
Bring electronics...tv, media player, kitchen electronics. They're very expensive in EC. Rent for a while before thinking of buying real estate. You really can live on a very modest budget which I could never do in the states. Cuenca is just teeming with lots of things to see and do. A beautiful, vibrant city. That's my first choice for sure.

You can apply and get a permanent resident visa and Cedula card before you even leave the states. While some people do it themselves to save money, I think you'd be wise to hire a lawyer that specializes in expat immigration because the rules and requirements seem to change on a whim. What's true today may be completely different tomorrow.

Good luck in your journey. I say... just Do It!

windshadow
  11/11/2016 12:25 EST

In my honest opinion, I think running from the USA to Ecuador is a disservice to Ecuadorians. Most of us living here for some time now don't want your butts here! Try Venezuela. They need you there. We don't!

DDR
  11/11/2016 12:49 EST

Obama's debt will be half the total US debt.About 50% total of $20 tril.

Some debt was done in compliance with a repub congress,The Rep establishment didn't like Trump.That was good enough for me.Judge one not by their friends.Rather by their enemies.

Either way, he beat the cackling old hen Hillary.The priorities of the Dems was laughed at: (unisex toilets & gay marriage) by most US cits.

ecuadorjoe
  11/11/2016 12:54 EST

jajajajajaja!!!!!!!!!!!!!

remoore2001
  11/11/2016 14:05 EST

W/S something I actually strongly agree with you about. Anyone running from instead of running to is a liability. Quit yer bitchin and move on with your life

Cora52
  11/11/2016 17:37 EST

Where did the $9+T he borrowed go? The first 43 Presidents incurred 10.5T and yet it took only one (Obama) to almost double it. He is the first Pres who did not achieve an annual economic growth of 3% in 8 years, two years of which are in the negative. GDP growth is very dismal. 94M Americans have no job or under-employed, etc, etc. HRC went from bankrupt to worth over 100M. Where do you think she got it? Definitely not from her salary, nor from a legitimate business. Trump is a billionaire and we know where he got his money. It's time for us to have a fiscally responsible person who is not beholden to anybody except to the american people.

ecuadorjoe
  11/11/2016 17:48 EST

Thank you, that is what I am asking as well from my drinking and DNC friends here in the red neck playa know as Salinas.

ecuadorjoe
  11/11/2016 18:01 EST

How did he help or what did he do for minorities other to increase the racial tension in U.S. That is his legacy. I don't want to talk about the Clintons read up.

andrewestes
  11/11/2016 18:38 EST

Well sai, sir. I will be there 11/16, having worked on the disengagement from my business, and establishing a beachhead there for almost a year now. If there is a flood of political refugees from the US, that could adversely affect the reputation of gringos, negatively. I do not want to live as a stereotypical political refugee. Andrew Estes

ecuadorjoe
  11/11/2016 20:14 EST

Should have done it 8 years ago. Senor..

mckenzy
  11/12/2016 08:16 EST

I just returned from a 2 week tour of Ecuador (Ecuador Expat Journeys). Highly recommend going there first for a couple weeks and check it out. See what it's like, get to know other expats, find a town or city that appeals to you and do the research. Then decide.

mckenzy
  11/12/2016 08:19 EST

Yes, thank you. Sick of the opinions and nastiness. This is a welcome forum not a place to debate politics. Do that somewhere else.

PACountryBoy
  11/12/2016 20:17 EST

WIND....RIGHT...as if the EC'n economy is SOOOOO strong that Correa doesn't need ANY money he can get. Oil is in the crapper and if you haven't heard, EC is STILL trying to recover from an earthquake. Correa is borrowing money from from China and looking to cut new deals with any country who will float a loan. You must be doing "OK".

windshadow
  11/12/2016 21:44 EST

mcckensey,
It is only offensive when it goes against the candidate of my choice. So, that being true you are really 50% dissatisfied or you might want to look at it as being, at a minimum, 50% good.
Now take this a step farther and it says whether you are a glass half empty or a glass half full sort of person. Get my drift friend?

KhunMarcos
  11/15/2016 07:56 EST

I now like you even more ... Thanks

KhunMarcos
  11/15/2016 08:05 EST

Yesterday, the USD broke above 100... Though we fret over the fate of the dolla (as we trading it call it), it is viewed as one of the safest havens. Net inflows have risen for years, but the funny business the FED has been doing, may be he real danger. As the World Reserve Currency, the dolla manipulation has challenged global oil producers, as energy is priced is USD. Oil is leading the economy around by he nose, and the USD & CL usually move in inverse direction. Yesterday's Dolla high corresponded with the 10$ drop in crude. As goes Oil, oft goes (a chunk of the) economy. Saudi / US relations are playing a dangerous game, so the new Prez, will need to delve into the US policies that are the real oil, and thus USD pricing.

KhunMarcos
  11/15/2016 08:25 EST

Newton, appears you hit a nerve. I have look into a global relo idea, just got here, enjoying it, but I really thing anyone needs to visit, for maybe a year, anywhere they're considering jumping to, which you may want to contemplate the WHY of relo. Escaping the vote, fear of unknown, or maybe an improvement in the quality of life... that's what I'm looking for. Spanish is essential, somehow, learn... Best of luck!

kmoriarty45
  11/15/2016 08:54 EST

I am old enough to remember how many WASPS thought that the world ( as they knew it ) was going to end when John F. Kennedy, a Roman Catholic, was elected President. I remember the widespread dissention and discontent when Richard Nixon became President. The outrage and pain felt by many when Bush the Younger was made President by the Supreme Court, still resounds in certain circles. The huge outcry by many individuals when an African- American, Barack Obama was first elected still resonates, today.
All of these elections were accompanied by vows from voters to "leave the country" should that person take office. The hysteria accompanying the election outcomes, eventually calmed down and most folks stayed where they were.
I have no crystal ball, only a knowledge of history, and judging by that, I would predict that there wont be any mass expat exodus in reaction to Donald Trump.
To give up everything and move to a foreign country is not something one does lightly. It is a sober decision that should be made after much due diligence and soul-searching - not simply because of a momentary discontent and/or disconnect with the current POTUS and political administration.
I have known many " political expats " in my years of travel and working abroad. Those who opted for self-imposed exile as a statement of political protest where never happy and never really adjusted to their new country. Many, after a year or two returned to the U.S. , even more disgruntled than when they left.
What I'm saying, in essence, is that leaving your homeland because you are in a political snit or are reacting to current events is never a good enough motive to move, even though, you think it's a good idea at the time.
Remember: " This Too, Shall Pass. "

standg
  11/15/2016 11:21 EST

The sad thing here is that people with low intelligence are often suspicious of more intelligent people. I think you have it backwards. Hillary Clinton was by far the most qualified candidate. While donald, who proved time and again that he is ignorant of the world around him, is an ill-natured buffoon. Unfortunately, the less educated, or those lacking in critical thinking skills, were unable, or didn't want to see it. That is what drives the intelligent people crazy - others weren't smart enough to see through his lies (over 50% of what he said was either completely false or mostly false). Instead, they believed him when he whined like a little coward about how horrible things were. Oddly enough, he was doing his best henny-penny routine (sorry for the literary illusion - you can google it), when the economy was strong and crime was at a 20 year low. We are still the greatest country in the world, even though the rest of the world is laughing at us - although I am sure they are enjoying the naked pictures of our first lady - what could be more presidential? It seems to me that people didn't vote for the man trump, but for the American icon he portrayed. The new sheriff that will throw out the bad guys and make everything great again. Don't ask how, just believe. It will be difficult for those who voted for him when he doesn't follow through on most of his ridiculous promises. Is it surprising that analysis of his speeches and his performances showed that he spoke at a 4th to 6th grade reading level? He was counting on being able to scare the less intelligent population, and it worked. So now we have a narcissist (look it up), of a character so reprehensible, that he is not worthy of anyone's respect (well maybe Putin). So, the next time you are about to write something, remember the old adage: Sometimes it is better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you are stupid, rather than opening your mouth and proving it.

standg
  11/15/2016 11:40 EST

You might want to research The Clinton Foundation. It is considered the "gold standard" for foundations, and that is why so much money is donated to it. It is the only foundation that doesn't give money to foreign governments; it gives the money to the organizations who actually do the work. The trump (can't bring myself to capitalize it) foundation is best known because donald used it to pay some personal debts and to buy a portrait of himself (his favorite subject) - just another example of the sleaze factor he exudes. If you want to talk economy - which two presidents raised the national debt to record highs? Ronald Reagan and George W. Who were the best at getting a handle on the national debt? Bill Clinton took Reagan's record deficit and turned it into a surplus during his eight years. President Obama brought us back from the brink of collapse after the Bush debacle. The republicans, by design, tried to block everything he did. People were livid when he bailed out the auto industry (trump said he should let them go down), but now the American auto industry is strong again (at least for the time being).

Grasshopper
  11/15/2016 11:53 EST

Very well said, KM

Hope you and yours are doing well..

I'll email soon. It's been hectic x 10 for the last few weeks. Now the light is out on the bike and I'm trying to trace it (wiring problem).

Keep up the good, rational work. Great post man.

Hopp

dumluk
  11/15/2016 15:28 EST

Altho I wont dispute your critique of narcisstic Trump (undeniable) its a race to the lowest common denominator trying to determine who is the sleazier, Hilliary or Donald.......Like 50% of the MORE intelligent people out there I didnt feel there was anybody to vote for.....not even Gary JOhnson, a Libertarian, who didnt even know where Aleppo was...........And calling the Clinton Foundation the "Gold Standard of Foundations" is just pure B.S. NObody who has been paying attention has any doubt as to the principle raizon détre of the Clinton Foundation. To enrich the Clintons.........How much did they have before? How much do they have now......And your buddy O'bama doubled the national debt in 8 years from $10 T to $20 T........Took only slightly more than 200 years to reach $10T, much of it due to Reagan and Bush, and only 8 years for your hero to double it........Talk about intelligence.......give me a break!

PACountryBoy
  11/15/2016 16:07 EST

STAND....On that planet have you been living on when you took that fall to your empty head? Do they know you have escaped? : >((((

Grasshopper
  11/15/2016 16:25 EST

Well.. Armageddon has come i guess..

Oh not because of any political reasons exactly, but... I've seen Remoore backing Windy's post.
And now I'm going to back Dumluk as well.. sooo, end o days it seems.

Seriously tho, DL.. I agree about how the intelligent realized there really was no good options. No one worth a flip to vote for.

And man, that's pretty damn sad. I did vote.. but it was the first time I actually felt ill filling out a ballot.

Hopp

windshadow
  11/15/2016 21:58 EST

Just get a can of playdough, roll-up a fatty, make sure there is plenty of ice cream on hand and watch.... Should be entertaining as long as no one gets hurt. For those of you that have good whiskey, knock back a couple or .... and watch... (note to my northern co-conspirator)
The sky is falling, that is the s#*t hitting the fan!

ecbound
  11/16/2016 00:09 EST

The Haitians may get to differ.

cristos7
  11/16/2016 00:23 EST

OMG - Hopp & DL in agreement;)) And the Cubs won the World Series - end of days 4sure;~)) "Obama's Debt"?!? Presidents "Preside". Trump the candidate was playing the role of Candidate, just as he will soon play the role of President. He may encourage the building of a Great Wall (and a few Pyramids;) to the enrichment of his Contractor Pals/the Mafia-Construction Industry, and THE CONGRESS will borrow/spend trillions on Infrastructure. So long as he STANDS DOWN with the Ruskies, future generations may get to drive a rejuvenated Interstate Highway system in the uSa, and marvel at "his" accomplishments. Rest assured that his commitment to his Legacy will trump all else...

DDR
  11/16/2016 00:45 EST

To be fair the US is a mature economy similar to Japan's problem.Debt,old folks to support and a nuclear reactor gone haywire.OK, minus the nuke.But one should get the idea.

The US is in a slower burn than Japan.But nonetheless a burn.
Europe is seeing the same thing too, and so will China.

I'm curious how they'll get outta this?

jerryg22
  11/16/2016 14:09 EST

Give him time. Did you speak, spell, write, walk, when you were born? If yoou ever worked in your life how was your first few weeks/months on the job? Grow up!

Grasshopper
  11/17/2016 07:26 EST

@jerry
Oh, I will give the man a chance and a fair shake. (Which is a hell of lot more than Obama got from the right going in... just saying)

But I believe anyone has the right to show their metal.. even this spaz show.. so I will just hope reeeeeally hard.

But what I think about it isn't going to change any apples into oranges anyway, so I'm not gonna get my BP up or change postal codes.

However... (there's always a "however" man. Your analogy lacks a but in the way of thought.

No... we don't expect babies to walk, talk or anything really but scream, laugh, crap and puke. But we certainly don't give them the keys to the car just because they've never been in a wreck + or expect them to pay the mortgage just because they've never had a foreclosure. ...or I don't anyway.
As for first jobs? ...ok, the first days and weeks cooking in a fast food joint, yeah I could have f##ked up someone's burger and life would have gone on for them and me at 14 years old. ...buuuuut, I can't say that, had they hired me to run the place. No.. they hired me to flip burgers.

Hopp

PS
Hey Cristos..lol. funny post, Believe it or not, the sun still rose and set just fine. (surprised me too :)))

H

windshadow
  11/17/2016 09:10 EST

Amidst all the horrible press, lies, agendas we have a new incoming president. He will be the president.
President Obama took the same walk and regardless of partisan politics should have been respected as our president. That didn't happen!
It is not too late for the USA to learn and show a little modicum of respect for the office of president as we should have for President Obama.
Seems to be a major lack of respect for anything in the USA currently.

remoore2001
  11/17/2016 10:16 EST

WS. My guts are all tied in knots. Not because I'm sick but because I find myself strongly agreeing with you for the second time. One of us have gone soft.
As for respect in the US you are right on the money. If people have different ideas about something there is no respect shown and it's sad.
How many friendships died in this election cycle just because of lack of respect for each other? Makes my move to Ecuador seem that much smarter.

kmoriarty45
  11/17/2016 11:36 EST

remoore2001 said " ... How many friendships died in this election cycle just because of lack of respect for each other? Makes my move to Ecuador seem that much smarter. "


Yes, I agree. It is really sad. Early on in this election cycle, I realized that it was going to get ugly, real fast. I promised myself that because I had friends and relatives on both sides of the spectrum, that I wouldn't get involved in a public debate - after all, there's no convincing people whose minds are closed. Now, friends and families aren't speaking to one another and the nasty wounds will take a long time to heal .
Some of the people shocked and disappointed me by their behaviors and reactions. Others, not-so-much, as that is their usual nature. They are all still ( for the most part ) good people, friends and/or family. I'm still communicating with all them but still NOT talking about the election
.

dumluk
  11/17/2016 12:30 EST

Remember, the REAL Election is not over yet. It will happen Dec 19 when the Electoral College meets to cast their votes....And there is a movement afoot to change the votes of a few of them which would swing it back to Hilliary.......Some are calling it a "Hell Mary Pass" but one never knows.....Plus Soros (and a few others) are funding and instigating protests from coast to coast.........The "Purple Revolution".......El tiempo dira........

NCT
  11/17/2016 13:50 EST

I have personally signed the petition and circulated it for additional signatures. I live in Ecuador but am from Dallas. I believe in Hail Marys!!

standg
  11/17/2016 15:05 EST

I thought it was a just brown haze in the sky.. As I am new in Cuenca, and to Ecuador, I am still "fatty-less." I am hoping to rectify that situation, but it hasn't been easy so far. This may not be the forum for this, but I can use any help I can get.

standg
  11/17/2016 15:11 EST

Can you write a coherent sentence? I think that was supposed to be a put-down, but it was so ill-crafted that I couldn't tell. Try again

standg
  11/17/2016 15:16 EST

I think you need to do a little research on the Clinton Foundation as you are woefully uninformed. Go read about it on legitimate websites and I think you will be surprised. As for enrichment, the Clinton's receive no money from the foundation. The condemnation of the foundation was a lot of "smoke and mirrors" from the alt-right.

ecuadorjoe
  11/17/2016 16:56 EST

standg, legit is the web site you like?
I am in Dallas now, is Dallas legit city and Texas a legit state?

ecuadorjoe
  11/17/2016 16:58 EST

The alt-left can post politics here Susan?

PACountryBoy
  11/17/2016 19:46 EST

Stand...Go back to third grade and maybe your hall monitor can teach you "comprehension" because you obvious never grasped it. You may have missed that one. Keep trying. Your attack on Joe demonstrates your inability to grasp simple concepts. : >))))

PACountryBoy
  11/17/2016 20:02 EST

NCT...My apologies but I do not receive every comment on this forum...I just get bits and pieces so a lotta the the comments don't make sense.....I think Susan is playing with what's left of my mind...are you talking about the petition regarding the electoral college to NOT support the peoples' choice from their respective states and to vote for the woman being measured up for an orange jump suit? This is not an "hail Mary", it's a (CENSORED...CENSORED..
.CENSORED. ) I though I would do it before Susan. : >)))) But your are a very brave person living in DALLAS and taking your position. Let's just see how brave and committed you are:
FULL NAME: ____________________
ADDRESS: _______________________
TELE: ___________________________
E-MAIL: _________________________
As they said in the movie: "You're a braver man than I am, Gunga Dynn!"
:>))))

PACountryBoy
  11/17/2016 20:07 EST

Stand....It ain't over 'till the fat lady sings and it is going to be an operetta that the "lefties" will not enjoy. : > ))))))

windshadow
  11/17/2016 20:29 EST

Standg,
If you can't find play-dough at coral central you can find a receipe on the internet and roll a big fatty with it. Hope this helps....... some people take the cake!

standg
  11/18/2016 08:00 EST

I believe the petition is futile, but at least she is willing to fight to keep America great. As for the orange jumpsuit, even Donald has stopped lying about that once he was elected. It was the Republican controlled house that ran her through so many hearings (9 on Benghazi alone) - do you think if she had done something criminal, it would have come out. As for the people's choice, Hillary had close to 2,000,000 more votes... Even though trump is the dumbest, least qualified for the job, and has promoted an avowed racist to be his advisor, I will wait to see how things go.

ecuadorjoe
  11/18/2016 08:29 EST

standg, you are a lunatic she is not in the"Orange jump s" because of the present administration, So stop blabbering, deep breath possibly a 6 pack. bottle of whisky or medical marijuana and relax. The people voted if you don't like it move to Canada with some of the Hollywood celebrities.

remoore2001
  11/18/2016 10:26 EST

Lefties..... righties I don't get it when did you all turn into baseball pitchers.
Com on, why the nastiness. I don't agree with standg but why all the nastiness just because he/she has a different opinion?
Kinda proves my earlier post when I said people had lost their ability to respect each other. Come on it's politics. It's not like anyone in charge listens to what you have to say anyway

standg
  11/18/2016 11:04 EST

Apparently you have already been hitting the medical marijuana. Is there a particular crime you know of that is a mystery to the rest of us? Regardless of the administration, Congress has the ability to try and convict. President Obama's character is beyond reproach - if she was guilty of something, he wouldn't stand in the way. What you had was Republicans trying to smear her. You would think that after 9 hearings lead by Republicans, and the 11 hours of testimony earlier this year, they could have found something to nail her with. When Comey, a Republican, couldn't find anything to nail her with, he did the next best thing. One of the reasons the oaf won was that people wanted to believe she was evil, so they listen to all the half truths and lies of our new leader rather than looking for themselves. By the way, are you proud of our first lady? Yesterday they removed the statement that said she had a college degree was taken off her bio page because she didn't go to college. And of course, who wouldn't be proud of all the naked pictures one can find all over the internet. Sad that more than half the country has to be ashamed that we elected such a buffoon. And that less than half the country is either ignorant, angry at their lot in life and blame everyone else for their problems, just plain mean-spirited, or all of the above.

WVolpe3
  11/18/2016 11:37 EST

Stop the whining. Hillary lost. End of story.

ecuadorjoe
  11/18/2016 11:45 EST

standg, shut p stupid. She lost stupid. Next elections are in 4 years stupid. Or might be Susan can shut you up.

OceanHideaway
  11/18/2016 12:03 EST

What we know now about the election in the USA is that a bit over 25% of Americans voted for President Elect Donald Trump and a bit over 25% of Americans voted for former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

Neither candidate received an overwhelming mandate of the people.

In fact the sad news is that 47% of those Americans with the ability to vote in this Election, sat out.

And that is perhaps the most egregious statement that can be made on the State of the Union today.

WVolpe3
  11/18/2016 12:10 EST

What we know is Clinton lost.

standg
  11/18/2016 12:13 EST

You are right. Sorry, I get sucked into these things when I should probably mope on my own.

ecbound
  11/18/2016 13:12 EST

It's interesting that expats in EC see nothing wrong with EC enforcing their immigration laws and requirements, but when Trump suggests doing the same thing in the US, he's a racist. The problem with this hatred and vitriol from Clinton supporters is largely the fault of the media for portraying him as such. Granted, his ineloquent speaking style didn't help, but Trump has always been inclusive throughout his life. He has friends, colleagues, and employees from all ethnicities, religions, and sexual orientation. Many from these groups hold high-level positions in his company. But, people who don't know him choose to listen to media lies. What is wrong with deporting illegal immigrants who have a history of crime, and requiring other illegal immigrants to become legal? It's not fair to those who follow the law and respect the process of coming legally to not require it of everyone. And, what is wrong with vetting people coming from areas known for terrorism? The media packaged these commonsense ideas as racist and bigoted, and people who still get their information only from the corrupt media, bought it hook, line, and sinker. The reason many more blacks, Muslims, and Hispanics voted for Trump than they ever thought would have, is because these are people with critical thinking skills who saw past the media propaganda.

windshadow
  11/18/2016 13:35 EST

Standg,
My advice is to wait until the fat lady sings. No one is going to do anything anyway, other than flap their gums.
Of greater concern:
Rep President
Rep Senate
Rep House
New Surprem Court Justices
400 new Federal Judge appointments
79 new Federal prosecutors
And all will be appointed by...want to take a guess? LOL
If Hillary had won, and let me remind you she didn't, she would have been as effective as you, and that is saying very little! Sure she would have had veto power, when she wasn't in court facing charges for this and that, but she would have been easily overridden. So, with all this in mind do you get the picture that she would not have been effective, good, or anything other than an old washed-up politician.....?

remoore2001
  11/18/2016 14:52 EST

All I can say is that after Trumps first 3 appt and the people such as Gingrich around him: In the words of one of the greatest rock bands ever...........MEET THE NEW BOSS SAME AS THE OLD BOSS

PACountryBoy
  11/18/2016 16:58 EST

STANDG....Waaaaaa....Waaaaaa....Waaaaaa! Suck it up, Buttercup! There's a new sheriff in town. And there are some "bad hombres" getting measured up for orange jumps suits. Maybe Slick Willie, Thunder Butt and the Foundation Funded Bride can get adjoining cells. Wouldn't that be sweet? : > )))) NO MAN LEFT BEHIND!!!!

WVolpe3
  11/18/2016 17:56 EST

LOL

remoore2001
  11/18/2016 18:39 EST

Trump settles for 25 million with no admission of guilt for Trump U. Can you all say BUSINESS AS USUAL. Do any of you want to take odds that there will be no justice dept investigation into Hillary.
Yea, draining the swamp: so it's easier to catch the scum and put them in the administration.

remoore2001
  11/18/2016 19:56 EST

What a bunch of fools. Been voting since 1972. Nothing has really changed.

Grasshopper
  11/19/2016 06:58 EST

Nope.. not much has, really..

But some things have. Like just yesterday, I threw my leg over my bike's seat and fired that mutha up. I was enjoying that colors of the trees as rode across the the river, free from worries or cares. But then as I came into town I definitely felt the winds of change... and man they were chilly. Cold even.

Nothing political. I had just ripped a 6 inch long hole in the crotch of my "way too worn" jeans. Having gone commando, I kinda had to turn around and go home for a pair that wasn't gonna get me locked up and scared the young.

So, the winds did cause a change of pants. ..... but again, I gotta agree with Remmy.

...new boss, same as the ol boss.
(and I'll have papas with that, por favor)

Hopp

standg
  11/19/2016 08:12 EST

Why would there be a justice Department investigation of Hillary? The republicans have been putting her through multiple investigations. Do you really think they wouldn't have nailed her if they could have found a way. She was the subject of a disinformation campaign. The strategy of constantly saying she was guilty and should be locked up (although there were no specific charges), was repeated so often, people started to believe it. when Comey (a republican) couldn't find anything criminal, he went out of his way to smear her and capped it off with his new emails BS. The sad part here is that so many people in our country don't have the ability to think critically, nor have they been taught to analyse information or sources on the internet. People will believe what they want to believe (yeah, me too) - how else could so many people vote for a whinny (America is terrible, minorities have taken your jobs, etc.), ill-qualified, racist, asshole and habitual liar. I don't think the people who voted for him were necessarily stupid (although one could make a case for that), they were merely ignorant. That is why the college graduates and other intelligent people (people the Right fear and make fun of because they are too stupid to understand) are so upset; The whole country will pay for their ignorance.

Grasshopper
  11/19/2016 08:36 EST

Stand.. let me set ya straight here bubba.

You just called yourself intelligent and said the "right" (or half the people in the US) are stupid.

These good fold here know I'm no right winger, but I sure as f**k am not gonna call them stupid. Check yourself before ya wreck yourself.. because self righteousness gets whacked on the pee-pee 'round here. You (IMHO) are waaay too tightly wound.

So.. "tranquilo" (if possible... if not, don't really care too much)

Hey Susie.. good to hear from you, chica loca!

@KM... thanks a lot, brother! I'll be back as soon as the law allows..lol. (or is the protests and wildfires get too much worse.. just may have to land in Colombia or Peru and "run thru the jungle" ...damn the torpedoes, ya know?

Seriously tho - Standg ...the divisiveness up here in the Estados Unindad is as thick as the smoke pouring from my beloved Blue Ridge Mountains, (as they be burnin' like a dry doobie) and the main reason is because people are choosing to call their friends, neighbors and fellow citizens "stupid".

So... are you parts of the solution, or part of the problem? ..because from here, you may be a candidate for one of several effective sedatives.. (having personally sampled most of em..lol)

Eh.. or not... I gotta pee too badly to lecture.

Viva Sabado, mi Amigo/as !!!

Hopp

WVolpe3
  11/19/2016 08:38 EST

Clinton lost. Get over it.

ecuadorjoe
  11/19/2016 08:53 EST

standg, Hillary used the same words as stupid and worse and lost. lol.. The people of Texas are not like you they are real..

windshadow
  11/19/2016 09:11 EST

After the primaries it was obvious who the losers were! It was the American people.

dumluk
  11/19/2016 09:21 EST

Well, once again, it looks like conspiracy theorists were right: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnlZ0tYmaRI

standg
  11/19/2016 09:26 EST

You are right - it is just frustration over reading ridiculous posts - I wouldn't normally have read them, but my wife put me up to it because she couldn't believe what was being written. I wouldn't normally refer to people as stupid. However, I did graduate Summa Cum Laude (3.9 GPA from a major university), and I spent the last 15 years teaching high school students how to analyse websites and information for validity and truthfulness. Consequently, I have a different insight on the "news." I am not arrogant enough to set myself up as an authority, but I do think I understand more than the average Joe. I did appreciate the humor in your post.

ecbound
  11/19/2016 09:38 EST

An independent voter fraud organization reviewed 180 million of the presidential votes, and found 3 million votes by illegal immigrants --hence, illegal votes. If this is true, then Hillary didn't even win the popular vote.

Obama was asked about illegals voting in televised interview.
The interviewer said "many undocumented people would like to vote, but are afraid they'll be deported," and he said that the voting process allows you to be anonymous, which was basically saying, "It's okay to vote if you're not a citizen."

Here is the interview where he says illegals will be safe if they vote:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iiywDVCPzwI
http://

State elections officials testified to Congress, that the driver’s licenses and Social Security numbers illegals will be granted under Obama's temporary Deportation Amnesty program, create a major voting loophole.

www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/12/obama-amnesty-creates-loophole-for-illegal-immigra/


Vote fraud.org verifies more than 3 million votes cast by illegal immigrants in 2016 election:

http://investmentwatchblog.com/election-fraud-three-million-votes-were-cast-by-illegal-aliens/

standg
  11/19/2016 10:42 EST

That site is run by right-wing crackpots. Check some of the links. They go to sites with "created news." I saw no mention of methodology, as you would find on a legitimate site. There is no possible way they could know if illegal immigrants voted. Were they wearing nametags? Just more alt-right paranoia. They are just afraid of a world they don't understand.

nickspm
  11/19/2016 10:49 EST

standg,

Your thinking is archaic. You're trying to frame the election results in terms of left vs. right.

The election results more aptly reflect a revolt of the general population against an entrenched corrupt political system.

.

Grasshopper
  11/19/2016 11:03 EST

@Stand
No problem, mi hermano. It's good your empassioned, educated and expressive. (Hopp's three big Es... although it is "impassioned" ...but then it wouldn't have an E in the front..lol)

We're just a bunch of pee pee whackers here anyway so I thou..

whoa.. that sounds a little "earthy" pee pee whackers?

Eh, ok... probably that too.. lol.

It's good you're a teacher, and the subject is interesting. I used to go by the old adage "believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see.". But these days it's safer to just assume you're seeing BS until you can actually taste the cow pie for yourself.

Oh, that reminds me-

@Dumass. --. just shut the f**k up

(lol ...sorry, I haven't told him to do that in many weeks)
DL.. just kidding, yell it loud, yell it proud.

Oh, and I am very glad to know that the people in Texas are real!
...because if they were imaginary, then I had really odd hallucination at the Houston airport. I saw a LOT of people and now I know I wasn't just tripping. (whew)

@Dumass -- just shu.. oh.

I already said that.
So... in the words of Anna Rosanna Danna..

"never mind".

Hoppppppper

Kimac
  11/19/2016 11:17 EST

Standg: You've said it all pretty well. I will add a little color of my own.

There's a difference between Education and Training. Parents often want to send their kids to college so they can get a good job, like a CPA, JD, MD, rather than just another trade, but their thinking is no more progressive. IF THEY are lucky, these kids will learn to think critically with their education: good professionals need to, but its hardly a given. There are an awful lot of marginally educated people out there, just literate enough to get themselves into trouble as you mentioned and we have all recently seen.

Now, there are any number of these folks, who prior to the internet would not have had the degree of (educated) discernment and creativity to relocate to Ecuador. Having been swept up by the various economic interests into 'just doing it,' they arrive in Ecuador with their inborn backwardness, to wash out after a couple years of putting up with 'all the dammed Mexicans.' Should this come as any shock?

Grasshopper
  11/19/2016 11:28 EST

I only know one Mexican in Cuenca... Daniel.

But he has compass reading issues and ended up there accidentally.

He was trying to reach Texas so he could "get real"

But, he says "wtf" .(..but says it in Mexican" ...and is enjoying his job as a web page designer for Cuencan business owners.. (and he's pretty damn good too)

I help him out in his efforts to learn to speak American better.

(...so says this marginally educated hombre)

H

ecuadorjoe
  11/19/2016 12:45 EST

srandg, one more time, you are an idiot. I am an average Joe.

ecuadorjoe
  11/19/2016 13:41 EST

standg, I was teaching kindergarden children, and non English speaking Mexicans exactly the same thing as you did. But my wife doesn't tell me what to do, we respect each other. Lol...

nickspm
  11/19/2016 13:53 EST

Susan,

You can censor the thoughtful views you disagree with as much as you like, even as you post the views you agree with that are particularly rude.

It's OK, because you can never nullify the electoral-college results. Trump won!

Also, here's an interesting story that is developing. John Podesta and his brother appear to be directly linked with the Madeleine McCann disappearance.

http://sgtreport.com/2016/11/breaking-news-podesta-brothers-pedo-ring-mr-trump-drain-the-swamp-v-the-guerrilla-economist/

windshadow
  11/19/2016 16:10 EST

What is going on today is the press promoting and instigating news events. It would be no different if HC won the election, same crap-different headline. As soon as the press finds something new to report they will lay off but for right now, it sells copies!

remoore2001
  11/19/2016 17:06 EST

OMG, sure thing Nick and the moon landing was fake.
You all need to loosen those wing nuts on your tin hat's.
And in further news, Pres Obama is an illegal alien from a far away planet who was planted to start an intergallactic war before leaving office. Only 2 months left ,hide.

akamoi
  11/19/2016 19:00 EST

The first syllable says everything anyone needs to know about you. The last years were indeed hard, with a president who saved the auto industry, inched the country closer to a sane healthcare policy, put the economy back in order after the Economic meltdown of the previous administration, grew employment and presided over higher stock market. Following the worst president in US history (who is responsible for the current horror in the Middle East along with the budget disaster it was) was no cakewalk. President Obama has done a masterful job.

remoore2001
  11/19/2016 19:23 EST

Who you talking to AKAMOI

DDR
  11/19/2016 19:25 EST

A masterful job of doubling the debt.Lol

What an ass clown.Even though I am totally against the auto bailout,That was Bush.And the loose policy of the Fed Res which continues.The point is nothing was "fixed" rather papered over,the can kicked down the road.

Under Obama the US went/was/is insolvent.Yes,buying their own debt upto 70% at one point.That in no case is sound economics.

PACountryBoy
  11/19/2016 20:03 EST

STAN...Ok, Amigos....Stan has once again demonstrated that....YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID. Stan, buddy, It's over "BUTTERCUP". Get used to it or move to Germany. We don't give a fat rat's XXX what you think. We sucked it up when the U.S. was "fundamentally transformed." NOW!!!! We won...you lost...go find your safe zone, strike the fetal position, put your thumb in your mouth and whimper, "Mommy....Mommy....Mommy." You'll feel much better. NO MAN LEFT BEHIND!!!!!! : >))))

PACountryBoy
  11/19/2016 20:08 EST

HOPPER....ROTFLMAO....I'm with ya, buddy. How many Captain Morgans had you had before this post.? : >))))))

PACountryBoy
  11/19/2016 20:24 EST

BOUND....THX for the link....this is how WE "fundamentally make America GREAT AGAIN" Hey, Stan...check it out! You all had your shot.....now IT'S OURS!!!!!! : >)))) You'll get your chance again in.....OH...wait.... NEVER!. The Democrapic Party is OVER! Nancy can go back to counting her husband's pineapples, Brazil can continue to try and put a sentence together that makes any sense while "Chuck You Schumer" lives on trying to understand."what the hell happened? Today.....your are only FOUR states that have a Democrapic Governor and house. LOL...four outta Barry's 57 states. NO MAN LEFT BEHIND!!!!!

remoore2001
  11/19/2016 21:22 EST

Dum, still waiting for your name and town you live in!

nickspm
  11/19/2016 21:24 EST

Ron,

Your nostalgic conspiracy-theory humor always makes me smile.

PACountryBoy
  11/19/2016 21:25 EST

STAN...STAN..STAN...Your post just told us sooooooo much about you....and your wife : >)) ( MY COMMENTS IN CAPS...yours in lower case )

"You are right" WELL AT LEAST YOU ARE A BIG ENOUGH MAN TO ADMIT WHEN YOU ARE WRONG. -
"... it is just frustration over reading ridiculous posts - ( NOW YOU KNOW HOW WE FEEL )I wouldn't normally have read them, but my wife put me up to it because she couldn't believe what was being written."
OK...WELL NOW ....Sooooo,...STAN, SHE COULDN'T "BELIEVE WHAT WAS BEING WRITTEN" SO SHE PUT YOU UP TO THIS? WELL I GUESS WE ALL KNOW WHO WEARS THE PRINTED FRILLY UNDER GARMENTS IN...YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD ( HAD TO CHANGE IT. Susan WOULD HAVE CENSORED ME.. SHE STILL MAY. )

I wouldn't normally refer to people as stupid. However, I did graduate Summa Cum Laude (3.9 GPA from a major university)

UNLIKE YOU, I COULDN'T GET INTO A "GOOD" SCHOOL : >))). I GRADATED FROM PENN STATE BUT I WAS ONLY IN THE TOP 10% WITH MY GRADUATING CLASS WITH A 3.89 ALL U AFTER HAVING FAILED OUT MY FIRST YEAR. YOU NEVER APPRECIATE WHAT YOU HAVE LOST UNTIL YOU HAVE TO FIGHT TO WIN IT BACK. SO BARE...GET IT?... WITH ME...DAMN, I WISH I KNEW SOME BIGGER WORDS.

and I spent the last 15 years teaching high school students how to analyse websites and information for validity and truthfulness MY FRIEND, LMAO, GO BACK AND READ YOUR ORIGINAL POST.. HAD MY DAUGHTER BEEN IN YOUR CLASS, SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN HOME SCHOOLED,'CAUSE YOU ARE LIVING IN A BUBBLE. WHY DO YOU THINK "THUNDER BUTT" LOST? CAN YOU SPELL." O-U-T-T-A--
-T-O-U-C-H-?' LOOK INTO THE MIRROR....CAN YOU SAY, "OUTTA TOUCH"? THINK ABOUT IT...320,000,000 PEOPLE IN AMERICA AND THESE ARE THE BEST TWO WE CAN COME UP WITH TO BE OUR LEADER? TWO PATHOLOGICAL LIARS THAT SHOULD BOTH BE IN PRISON.

HER STRATEGY....ATTACK HIM....HIS STRATEGY....SOLUTIONS TO WE PEONS.

LMAO!!!!!.BASED ON YOUR PREVIOUS, IT'S LIKE WATCHING THE TV SHOW....WHICH I CAN'T STAND....THE "LIVE"....WHATEVER THEY SAY, DO THE OPPOSITE.

Consequently, I have a different insight on the "news." I am not arrogant enough ( AHHH...EXCUSE ME BUT ....YA,YOU ARE ) to set myself up as an authority, but I do think I understand more than the average Joe( SURE YA DO...AND YOUR WIFE KNOWS MORE THAN YOU ). I did appreciate the humor in your post. ROTFLMAO....THAT'S WHY YOU DUMPOCRAPS LOST...YOU THINK WE'RE FUNNY....NOT ANYTHING SERIOUS TO CONTEND WITH....STAN, YOU'RE AN "OUTTA-TOUCH-ACADEMIA ELITIST. .......WE'RE THE "AVERAGE JOE"...WHICH YOU ."APPRECIATE" OUR "HUMOR". WELL, AMIGO, THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE APPRECIATE YOUR TOLERANCE. COME BACK AND SEE US AGAIN WHEN YOU HAVE LESS TIME....OH, TELL YOUR WIFE TO JUMP ON AND JOIN THE FRAY ....IF SHE'S GOT THE ( CENSORED. ) WE LOVE STIMULATING INTERPLAY HERE. : >))))) LUV YA, STAN

PACountryBoy
  11/19/2016 21:30 EST

HOPPER....You sure fooled me. I always thought your were a little bit to the right of Attila the HUN! : >)))) DEAD on,

PACountryBoy
  11/19/2016 21:34 EST

STAN...HEY, buddy...LMAO...give it up. You're just a real live example of "there ain't no way a' fixin;' stupid." ( And that ain't no cummya...cume lotta )

ecbound
  11/19/2016 21:40 EST

Stand, If you teach high school students how to analyze websites for validity, how could you possibly believe the written and televised portrayal of Trump as a racist? As a person who's followed politics for many years, and someone who doesn't take things at face value but digs deeper into who is doing the reporting, what it's based on, and what conflicts of interest they have, I was appalled at the number of times the mainstream media twisted Trump's statements so far as to claim they meant something totally different from what he intended. Then, there were the outright lies. I know a lot of people believe he's a racist, etc., but not everyone has the time or inclination to dig deeper into media claims. If you analyze sources for validity, though, I don't see how you could miss it.

I'll give you a few examples that pop into my head:

1. Trump's ineloquent statement that "Mexico is sending rapists, murderers, and drug dealers, as well as some good people here." That was the beginning of the media's campaign to portray Trump as a racist. Now, had they gone to his website, they would have found that that statement was based on the Government Accountability Office's report on immigration (linked to on his site). The statistics in the report showed that almost a third of incarcerated people in America are illegal immigrants, who on average, have committed 7 crimes each, and who cost the US $1.5 billion per year. And, that more than two-thirds of them (68%), are from Mexico. Had they reported this, instead insisting that his statement was racist, the whole narrative would have changed.

2. The claims that he defrauded people through Trump University. First, this was a seminar program, which like the many similar programs like it, sell information, period. They sell you the information on how THEY became successful, not a guarantee that you will be successful, or even make money. The small percentage of people who sued, were upset that they spent the money and then didn't become successful, but since they couldn't sue for that (because that was never promised), the lawyers had to come up with something, so they sued because the statement was made that the instructors would be hand-picked by Trump, and apparently, not all of them were. It's a stretch, and these kinds of lawsuits are common when you're rich and famous and dealing with the public in many arenas. And, no mention of the fact that 99% of the thousands of customers said they were extremely satisfied in their post-seminar surveys.
3. The MSM claim that "Trump attacked a Gold Star family.". First, there was no mention of the fact that Mr. Khan is a lawyer, who makes a living mostly by helping rich Muslims come to America. So, Trump's idea to stop Muslim immigration from countries where terrorism is rampant until an extreme vetting program is in place, might have effected Khan's income. And, along with repeating over and over for weeks that Trump attacked the Khan's, they deceptively showed a very short piece of his interview with George Stephanopolis. It said, "Mrs. Khan didn't say anything, maybe she wasn't allowed to.". I don't know that I'd call that an attack considering that Trump comes from a generation when you didn't have to watch everything you said, and that he's not used to weighing every statement like the politicians are. But, more importantly, they left out a few words that indicated he had been reading that OTHERS were saying this. And, they left off the very gracious message he had about Mr. Khan in light of his hate-filled public attack on Trump. This was the almost verbatim interview as it pertained to Mr. Khan:

GS:. "Mr. Khan had some tough questions for you. He said you wouldn't have even let his son into the country."

TRUMP:. "He doesn't know that. I saw him, he was very emotional. He seemed like a nice guy. Mrs. Khan didn't say anything. Maybe she wasn't allowed to, I was reading. I wish him the best."

GS:. "What would you say to Mr. Khan?"

TRUMP:. "I'd say 'we have a real problem with radical Islamist terrorism, and we have to do something about it.'". (Then, he lists a bunch of the recent terrorist attacks).

THAT was the "attack" on the Khans that was referred to incessantly for weeks. And, how deceptive was it to play just a few words of the interview that seemed more incriminating taken out of context?

I could go on all night with the ways the media and the establishment twisted everything he said and used biased sources. I'm genuinely curious about how you missed all this?

windshadow
  11/19/2016 21:41 EST

akamoi,
So, what's your point?

windshadow
  11/19/2016 21:41 EST

akamoi,
So, what's your point?

PACountryBoy
  11/19/2016 21:41 EST

NICK.... He won't ever understand. You're dead on but preaching to the left rear tire on a PINTO. . : >)))) THX!

PACountryBoy
  11/19/2016 21:43 EST

WIND....They won't lay off until he's DEAD!!!!

PACountryBoy
  11/19/2016 21:46 EST

JOE....No you're not!!! Come on, Joe! You're not "average"! You keep us goin'!!!! Where would we be without your insight?

PACountryBoy
  11/19/2016 21:56 EST

NICK.... Now, Nick. Don't you pick on our little "leftie". SHE'LL CENSOR YOU EVEN MORE. I've been spanked already. I was going to get into it about the SWEEPING electoral Republican victory at every level of government but then decided it was more than I cared to get into. Maybe Stan or his wife can tell us all about it.. : >))))

PACountryBoy
  11/19/2016 22:02 EST

AKA....ROTFLMAO...Liar #1 lost....Liar #2 Won. Liar #2 will "fundamentally restore America.!" Get used to it, Buttercup! Sixteen more years! : >))))

dumluk
  11/19/2016 23:34 EST

Hes a smooth talkin slow walkin Mohair Sam......But thats about it....I wish i could talk that good........Maybe Hopp can keep up with him......And I really dont even blame him so much....After all, he was just takin orders: O´bamas Legacy: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-19/obamas-zero-legacy

Grasshopper
  11/20/2016 02:39 EST

Hey Country
That breakdown of stand's "résumé" cracked me the hell up!

I'm with ya on all that - especially the preaching to a Pinto's rear tire.

THANK YOU for that analogy.. LMMFAO

Right of The Hun? Hell man, I bitch slapped his Mongol ass and ate his horse

(I have been called a mildly confused individual - a true statement which I emphatically deny... ). ...so there's that.

I think Remmy is really gonna go to Panama and hunt Dumass down! lol...

I would SO pay to attend that match! ??

(Oh, and Sailor Jerry is a lot stronger than Morgan..lol )

Ho (cough-cough) pper

windshadow
  11/20/2016 07:00 EST

Grasshopper,
Sounds like an episode straight out of "Hee Haw!" The democrats are really upset at who? If you think about it for a moment it might appear they are upset at their brother and sister democrats for not getting off their jackasses and voting.
"Doom...despair... and agony on me....Deep dark depression excessive misery....
If it weren't for bad luck I have no luck at all. Doom, Despair, and agony on me....."

standg
  11/20/2016 07:08 EST

If you don't get the point, then I am probably talking about you.

ecuadorjoe
  11/20/2016 07:31 EST

PAKc,,jajajajajajajaj

ecuadorjoe
  11/20/2016 07:36 EST

PAC,, but Pinto was good, hit him in the "rear" and will explode...

Grasshopper
  11/20/2016 08:15 EST

@DL
lol.. thanks for the reference to that old song.. hell, I've not heard Mohair Sam since I was a little, baby Hopper.

..and no, I can't keep up with all that, but here is a link for you guys from the same time period.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq344ks1ieg

(may be my favorite song)

@Windy
No sheet bro, it does.. (and i was "force fed" Hee Haw growing up...

Buck Owens is personally responsible for me hating music for my first 9 years of my life..

"I ...got ...a TIGER by tail, it's plain to see....".
(over and over my GOD)

but then I acquired a tiny transistor radio - tuned in an old Chicago song, and all was well..jaja.

PA.. you'll most likely appreciate the song in the link.. what is it?

...gotta tune in, haha.. cause I ain't tellin'

Hopp

dumluk
  11/20/2016 09:31 EST

@Hopper..........So how much you willin to pay HOpp? Maybe something could be arranged, jajaja.........It seems that it´ll be a David and Goliath type drama.......But we all know how that turned out...............

WVolpe3
  11/20/2016 10:03 EST

Clinton lost. Stop whining.

windshadow
  11/20/2016 11:00 EST

Buck was not the best messenger! LOL Hopp I am sure you have had a "tiger by the tail at one time or another." Won't hear me complaining.
As for JC, he has had a couple songs that were, ok, but but but for the most part, he sucked. No disrespect intended but in the scope of singers....

remoore2001
  11/20/2016 19:55 EST

Country,
Capt Morgan is what a real rum drinker uses for Shirley Temples. Gonna have to toughen up guy if you want to drink with the locals

remoore2001
  11/20/2016 19:59 EST

Dum, that was a silly fable. Don't count on our meeting turning out that way. Hell if you let me know where to find you I'll pay for Hoppers ticket

OceanHideaway
  11/21/2016 00:09 EST

Let me in on the location and I´ll bring the rum... I know this private distillery ...

BUt I understand what really irks these sorts is....

Musical Theater!

...and Saturday Night Live!

oh yeah...you folks certainly chose a real solid fellow with back bone and true grasp of the First Amendment.

Grasshopper
  11/21/2016 08:13 EST

@Remmy
Hell man, I don't even know wtf Dumbass is even talking about (no new news there). How much am I will to pay for what? ...whatever..lol. if he wants to throw a rock at my head, I'll put a band aid in my wallet. ...and some smelling salts to wake his ass up once he faints from the sight of blood.

You get that address, I'll get the bandage and ammonia capsule and we can go halfers on the the ticket.

Dumass.. I'm gonna tell you a story (and a true one)..

About 10 years ago, I was at a cookout at my sister's place. After eating, I walked down to the the bass pond to cast a few times, and all of the sudden my nephew jumped out from behind a tree. He pointed his new BB gun at me and said "POW!! Gotcha, uncle Jimmy!"

I slapped the gun outta his hand and man, I was livid. Pissed OFF..
If I had pulled that kind of stunt, my dad or uncles would have knocked me into next week.

But, I realized he hadn't been raised the way I had. Hell I got my first shotgun for Christmas when I was 11. My cousin and I had reloading the grown ups shotgun shells as a regular chore during hunting seasons... and none of us would have ever posted a gun at anyone. But Tony hadn't been raised that way. He was 12 or 13 and I realized had no idea of the gravity of what he had just done.

I figured it was time he learned. I was mad as hell, but kept it down. I told him he was to never EVER point a gun at anything he wasn't prepared to shoot.

He said he understood, but kids never understand simple words. So, I cocked his gun and handed it back to him. Then I took off my shirt and said, "now, shoot me." He laughed because he thought I was kidding.

So, I took off my belt next. I told him he was going to shoot me in the belly, or I was gonna tear that ass up and he'd not be able to sit for a week. I wasn't bluffing and he knew it.

He begged me, "please, uncle Jimmy, I cant shoot you". But I made him do it. The boy was crying his eyes out, but he shot me right above the belly button.

(It hurt a whole hell of lot more that I had thought ..but pain is only pain).

That wasn't all. See, I love Tony with all my heart. Also, I knew he couldn't stand the sight of blood at all. So, I then made him use his pocket knife and dig the BB out of me. It was just under the skin, but I knew it would bleed a lot... and, it did.

Why did I do this? Because I love him. He was a great kid, and now a fine man. He may have made mistakes, but I can guarantee you he never pointed a gun at anyone again. Actually, my sister told me a few years ago that he had never picked that BB gun up again.

But I did make a point of later teaching him to shoot, hunt and clean what he killed.

My point? ...probably none of any real importance. Just that if Dumass really drinks only "2 or 3" of his "weak" Panamanian beers, he must be using them to chase bath salts.

Hopp

Grasshopper
  11/21/2016 08:24 EST

@dumass

You asked what I was willing to pay. As with Tony, the answer is simple.

The price.

H

dumluk
  11/21/2016 11:01 EST

I suppose we can call that "tuff love" hey Hopper? Quite a bit tuffer than necessary I would offer........Chit, the kid was just playin.....Wouldnt it have been enuff to stimply grab the barrel of the gun, (which I hve done several times actually with the real thing) and taken it away from him and make the point verbally? I mean, you may scarred him for life with that over dramatization.......@ Reamer........Hey dude, havent you figured it out yet? This is the internet........What goes on the internet stays on the internet........Or in the files of the NSA for future reference.......In any case I will be coming that way soon enuff.......Sit tight.........

Grasshopper
  11/21/2016 11:43 EST

@DL
yeah, sure I could have man. But, every single kid I have known that was prone to shoot BB guns at dogs, cats, birds or whatever, had been verbally told.

And then when they get older... I've gone target shooting with, say, 16-17 year olds ..who think nothing of trying their 22cal skills at innocent birds in bushes, ( like robins..cardinals.. you know, not something they can not eat)

And I absolutely know they were "told" not to.


And then there is the bigger risks.. like if he would be f**king around and accidently shoot another kid.

You can't dig a BB out of a child eyeball. ..and what is done can't be undone... uncle Jim's belly will heal up just fine. In the meantime, the boy learned up close and personal the damage he could cause. The blood he had to wash off his hands.. well yeah, you are right ...that could scar him.

I hope so - that was why I took one in the gut!

See, a kid shoots a cat or dog in the ass, they don't see blood. They hear a loud YELP and see it jump and then run off.

What do they do? --. They laugh.
...and they'll do it again..

You think Tony had a laugh with his uncle bleeding all over an Old Timer pocket knife? No, he didn't. And he never shot a dog either... but having had pointed it at me, I'd lay odds he would have sooner or later.

Tony grew up playing and hanging with one of my childhood friends son, Jacob. Same ages but different families. Jacob's dad, Mark, was one of those kids who would shoot down a Red Hawk just so he could cut off its taloned feet for trophies. Made me sick...
Mark wasn't taught better, neither was Jacob.

Jacob was shot 2 months ago while I was sitting in Montanita.

Tony got a new car last week. Jake never will.

Yeah man, I think I scarred the boy. If I hadn't I wouldn't be me.

Hopper

Grasshopper
  11/21/2016 12:01 EST

There is a huge difference in the impact of the two approaches.

I can say, "now Tony, you should never do that! You could really hurt someone." And then what? He would tell me "ok" while thinking ,"what a lame lecture... grown ups - ugh!"

Or.. I can say, "boy, look. feel. taste". Which do you think a boy will find to be "real"?

As you've mentioned, I'm Cherokee. Maybe we dance a different dance.. I don't know..

Anyway.. I hope nothing ever happens to him .. we can only try, right?

H

remoore2001
  11/21/2016 13:34 EST

Dum, you got me all tingly inside. Come on down

OceanHideaway
  11/21/2016 16:02 EST

Hopper...

I remember you and the day you found out Jacob had been shot dead...

It was not a good day...or week.

There are a lot of Marks and Jacobs out there right now ...

BY the way...

What do all of you think about the expose on

LibertyWritersNews.com ?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/for-the-new-yellow-journalists-opportunity-comes-in-clicks-and-bucks

Since so many of you quote what they write, what are your thoughts?

PACountryBoy
  11/21/2016 17:23 EST

BOUND...You're ,dead on but "peeing into the wind" ( I changed that for
Susan ). Stan is a lost elitist sole , a poor looser, and a "don't confuse me
( and my wife ) with facts, our minds are made up." deniers You made a yeoman's effort to bring them outta the darkness that is the Clintons' and Obamas' and even though Stan and his wife will not appreciate it, WE DO!. What's that old story about the rabbi praying at the Wailing Wall and when asked, he said none of his prayers ever come true? "It's like talking to a wall." ( I couldn't resist. ) : >((((((
I know. : > ))))))

Grasshopper
  11/21/2016 17:27 EST

Hey Sue,
Yeah, that sort of messed me up. I really appreciate that you were there to talk to.. even if I did hole up and not talk much. You're a good friend and a caring person. I was more than impressed by your dedication and enthusiasm for the work you do - whether you're being paid or not.

These folks on here are, it seems, good people and I like them all, (even if I mess with a couple.. it's not truly anything more than playing around)

It was great of you to bring me that cipro and sandwich when I was sick - and I was glad I coukd bring you wonton soup when you felt bad. ....thanks again for your selflessness.

@everyone
If you knew what Sue does (aside from work on this site) you'd hopefully be more appreciative that she gives her time to all of us as well.

I'll check out that link you posted later and give you my take on it, although i haven't a clue what it is.

You know me and i travel alone... because I like it that way. That said, thanks for being there when I was not feeling 10ft tall and bullet proof. It made a huge difference.

@Ecuadorjoe
You had not posted anything in some time, and your moderator was genuinely concerned that you were ok.

...but I know her well enough to say shed extend that kindness to any of you - even the folks who maybe give her a bit of a hard time.

So would I. Even you, Dumluk... don't think that if we met and there was a "situation" that I would not have your back fully. I may come off as a hardass, but I consider every one of you as a friend in one way or another.

Truth be told, I don't have an enemy in the world. Only those who threaten a friend... because no matter how nice one is, or can be - there are times when we must be terrible. Unfortunately I know how to do that a bit too well.

Hopper

windshadow
  11/21/2016 17:47 EST

Hopp,
I remember that. Same time my friend was beaten to death near New Orleans. Ex-federal agent and no investigation??? Seemed kind of strange to me. Hard to let go sometimes... I know it still eats at you as it does me.

Grasshopper
  11/21/2016 20:22 EST

Hey Windy,
Yeah buddy... some things are hard to let go of, and I'm really sorry about your friend's passing - especially that way.
And yes, it does seem damn odd there was no investigation. That does not ring quite right with me either... and if there was not anything "fishy" about it, then it was downright unacceptable.

I'd like everyone to do something ...even if it's out of your comfort zone. Take a breath and understand that we are all blessed that we can express ourselves, that we can help the curious, that we can commend the Honorable and that we can rant and disagree with the ones we consider just simply different - be they the beloved tin hatters or just politically different than ourselves.

Diversity is what powers this planet and the life on it. Believe me, we all have much more in common than not.

The bickering we do should be done tongue in cheek, and I am going to tell you why.

You see, whether you're a tree hugger or a gun lover... whether you support the Republican Right or the Democratic Left.... we are on this big rock together and we all have those we love and those we'd die for. We are all one race, no matter our skin color or our cultural bias, we're still all human.

I would wager that if either Dumluk or Windy were hungry, Remoore would feed them. Because when it comes down to the time of a crunch, we remember what we are... and petty differences finally seem to be just what they are - petty.

When I call Dumluk "Dumass" ...or tell him to "just shut the f**k up", I do it with a grin and zero animosity.

I'm the farthest thing there is from perfect... but, I am trying to be better tomorrow than I was yesterday.

But, just because I'm tolerant.. just because I try to be understanding... never mistake this for being a pacifist. There is true evil in this world, and I will never be tolerant of that.

ISIS.. as well as other groups.. No. When you kill children purposefully, or train children to kill, or oppress, torture or rape women only because you consider their gender to qualify them as nonentities.. then you, (in my book) have volunteered to check out of the human race.

That is when it is time to be terrible. Not everyone, but some of us must.

I've been places I did not want to be and seen things I know I shouldn't see... no one should see.. because they shouldn't exist.

So, if I double tap someone in the chest, and then deliver a third round to the head as I walk by, it is not because I hate. It is because we NEED pacifists. We need tree huggers. We need the tolerant and the kind, the children and the freedoms we use daily (while we bitch about how infringed these may be - ironically)

And we need each other ...we need our opposable others, whether we think we do or not.

Am I evil?
Why, yes I am..
Am I evil?
I am man.

But as I said... I am trying.

Hopp

remoore2001
  11/21/2016 22:23 EST

Hey let's lighten up. We've had our Wars at different times. Mine wasted 58,000 US boys. Let's not push our night mares on others. Calm down and back off, these are things that we share with each other but should not want to share with everyone. Bad things happen to all

remoore2001
  11/21/2016 22:42 EST

Wow let's try to lighten this up a little. Dum since you're heading my way, can you bring me 2 or 3 bottles of Frieda Kahlo rum. I'll reimburse you for the rum plus pay your cab fare from Quito to Cotacachi. After our meeting we will need some shots

remoore2001
  11/21/2016 22:58 EST

Hopp, been estranged from dads part of the family for 36 years because of divorce and misc dum sh!t things. My brother FOUND me this weekend. Found out my father shot himself in the head 25 years ago because of PSTD. He was a hero in Korea who fought their way to the Inchon peninsula after being surrounded by the Chinese. Took many months. My dad lost his toes to frostbite, but more importantly, his company lost more than 70% of his brothers. He never got over that. Killed himself 40yrs later, but suffered everyday.
Get yourself help my man, and write me anytime you have to.

Grasshopper
  11/22/2016 06:40 EST

Thanks Remmy.

I'll lighten up. I was just having one of those days I think.

Hey, I'm glad your brother found you man... and I am very sorry your dad had that second battle to deal with.

That's a coincidence though, because I had a half sister find me in June. Apparently my dad had a trist when I was 3 or 4 and the woman had a child. The birth mother was young and single and put the child up for adoption.

Well, her name is Starr, and she found my dad, but he had passed away... and that's how she found him - the obits.. She has leaned his name, but not located him.

So... she found me (poor girl, lol).
I'm kidding - she's great and we are so surprised. I mean, I didn't even know she existed! It's very cool, and she's only an hour away in Asheville (NC)

Also, on a lighter note...

I'm getting married tomorrow..lol.

I've kept it secret and only told maybe a half dozen people. So... you guys are the first to collectively here.

She is my exact opposite. I think it why a went on the dichotomy based lecture...

Anyway, there it is.. jaja

Thanks again Rem. I needed to be checked buddy.

Hopper

remoore2001
  11/22/2016 08:47 EST

Congrats Hopp. And dum that Frieda Khalo is actually tequila.

dumluk
  11/22/2016 12:09 EST

Ive got half a bottle of 1800 here but never heard of Freida Khalo...thats a new one for me.......well, the tile pro showed up unexpectedly and I gotta go to work........laterz all.......

OceanHideaway
  11/23/2016 14:45 EST

Just saying...

I knew about Hoppers wedding plans ... like ...before anyone :)

Cause I´m special ...

Frida Kahlo... look her up and then get the movie featuring Salma Hayek Jiménez de Pinaul (and her eybrows)

And of course...it is Tequila that bears her name...

Viva La Revolucion!

By the way in other news... the count now puts Clinton at 48% of the Popular vote, to 46% Trump, that is over 2 million in favor of the popular winner...

ANd Clinton is meeting with the computer scientists to look into the issue of irregularites as of last evening...

Stay tuned as we watch Democracy in Action:

why Federalist Papers, 68 is an important read, especially Hamiltons statement (how ironic);

and the word "emolument" is on everyone´s lips,

...it ain´t over yet folks.

I se another election cycle ... because this one ... didn´t eactly work within the system. Yes ...it was rigged... and that makes it ...null an void.

PACountryBoy
  11/23/2016 16:48 EST

OCEAN....LMAO....it happens every time a Democrat looses ....Waaaaa....Waaaa....Waaaa. The streets run with tears and the streets are filled with cries of "fix". By the way, did you read the statement from those three "computer scientists"..There is NO PROOF of any hacking. They concluded that the votes for HRC were higher in the cities and DJT's votes were higher in the rural areas. Well DUH!!!! That's the norm for distribution of party votes. Remember when that county outside of Cleveland didn't deliver one single vote for Romney? I don't remember a single cry of "foul" from the Dems. Popular vote does not determine the victor. If it did, the only campaign dollars would be in the East Coast, West Coast and Florida and the rest of America could go suck eggs. It's over, but the fat lady is not singing. Think about it...with all the hundreds of millions of dollars in TV advertising, the 98.3% support of the mainstream media, Trump's repeated stupid gaffs and tweets, the support of the Hollywood celebs, the sports world and entertain crowd, she STILL couldn't deliver. I'm guessing her future will be nursing her "what could have beens" in solitude or more deservedly...solitary. : >)))) HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL and Not to worry, "emolument" washes right out.

ecuadorjoe
  11/23/2016 17:28 EST

PSC.. Yeah bro sometimes you are right, like with Pint0 lol..

windshadow
  11/23/2016 17:43 EST

OH,
I thought she conceded that our President Elect won the election.
That is paramount to throwing in the towel.
Get used to this phrase, "Mr. President!" It is going to be around for another four and maybe another 40 years! lol Just sayin!
I think the press is doing an injustice to the American people by stringing along their hopes and wishes for Hillary. The time for healing is now! Acceptance of reality will help a lot.

standg
  11/23/2016 18:18 EST

I find it funny that people are still talking about her going to jail. You may have noticed that donald has backed off that claim. He knew it was BS the whole time, but he repeated it so much that the fools started believing him. Do you really think he wouldn't try to prosecute if she was guilty of something. Democrats typically cry at the end of Republican administrations. A little trivia. Which two presidents in the modern era set record deficits? Ronald Reagan followed by George W. Who Bailed us out? Bill Clinton turned the record deficit into a surplus during his 8 years. We were on the verge of collapse when President Obama came into office. Even though republicans fought him on everything he tried to do, he still brought our economy back, saved the auto industry, and made us proud that we had an intelligent man who was liked by the world at large, instead of a dummy who was laughed at by other countries. I believe Ronnie pulled a c- average in college, and George W. was - well, George W. So, we are back to the laughing stock, and I am sure we will all be crying by the time he gets done with us. Ironically, the people who voted for him will probably be crying the most as his policies will hurt working class people more than anyone. As they start to realize that he just told them whatever they wanted to hear with no intention of helping them, the real tears will fall.

PACountryBoy
  11/23/2016 19:12 EST

OCEAN.....NEWS ALERT...JUST IN!!!!!
You know those three "computer scientists" claiming the three state elections were rigged...NOT HACKED? They admitted that their "conclusions" were based upon.......wait for it.......EXIT POLLS! Better they based their conclusions upon 2 outta three "toss of the bones". Have a happy!!!! : >)))) Thanking cooking recommendation: Do NOT bast your turkey with emoluments! It will dry them out.

OceanHideaway
  11/23/2016 19:20 EST

I see that PACountrybpy is still getting his news from the LibertyWriters and other Fake News sources.

Here is a big hint on how to tell if the source is a Fake News Source:

Advertisements for Photos of Nude or Fat or Nude & Fat Celebrities
Advertisements for Any Sexual Enhancement Drug
Advertisements for Any "how to get Rich, NOW!"
Any Other CLICK BAIT... you won´t believe what happened net!

Folks, you´ve been duped.

And not just by Trump, although yes by Trump. You've been manipulated by Bannon and Priebus and Kushner. Yeah, a lot by Kushner.

And the irony of it all is, the ones of you who really fell for all of this manipulation are the biggest conspiracy folks amongst you.

Yeah, there is a "New" World Order and guess what it is? It goosesteps and has meetings down the street from the Holocaust Center in Washigton DC.

And you know something about it We already know?

It doesn´t care about you middle-class white man. In fact, it is stacking the deck against you right now. You may think that it cares about you because you fit the demographic it needed to get into power but now that it is there, watch the decisions being made and how they affect you personally and promise you straight down the board, with the exception of gun control (because they want all of you to kill all of us) they will be taking away your money in ways you can´t even imagine. They will be undermining your sense of security, and tey will be using your shakey sense of self worth to control you.

And they will be blaming it all on ... Us. And by Us I mean ...what you label "Democrat" "liberal", "educated" "elite" "feminist" ...and those are the nice words. Basically anything or one who does not fit into your demographic or thinks as you do.

Before it begins, it can be stopped. But I am a pragmatist as well as an oracle. I don´t see it happening.

Friends in vulnerable communities are in fact making escape plans, some of them, others readying to stay because of family or ideology.

No, it really doesn´t look that good for any of us... whoever you did or did not vote or didn´t vote at all...

For those of you who are whistling in the dark or laughing at the fear, I understand and I am not going to point you out, I understand what you are doing. On the pther hand to those who are making light of a very serious state of the union, please take this as the warning it is intended to be.

Perhaps within the allowable limits of Constitutional law we have a bit of wiggle room to legally question the validity of this election being that a number of questionable matters have been raised in regards to the raising of a reasonable request from 2 of the candidates for recount.

There is also now proof that an overwhelming 2,000,000 PLUS votes in the popular election accounting for a 2% point difference in the Popular vote between the victor via Electoral College and victor by Popular vote

There is adequate if not substantial information presented to the public at large that it would be prudent to look at the actual Ballots, the Evidence, of the Election. And why not?

https://medium.com/@jhalderm/want-to-know-if-the-election-was-hacked-look-at-the-ballots-c61a6113b0ba#.cjje0cr6m

That is the blog of the scientist leading the request to the 2 candidates

If Trump Won ... then there is no harm in proving it so that we can move on and get to work making sure the new Administration is one for ALL the People

And if there is a defect, We as Americans... and not manipulated Demographics... deserve to know and the opportunity to fix this.

Basically we all have a right to know for sure.

There is too much at stake to simply "Let It Go"

Stand behind the Motto of the USA...

We need to come together ... we need proof to trust each other...

Anyone Know What That Motto Is?

windshadow
  11/23/2016 19:59 EST

Standg,
I am amazed at how you can still believe the bs the press is putting out.
You might just want to watch and see because the truth has disappeared from the pages of many.
Remember not long ago how the same press was publicizing HC was 80% plus sure of winning? Had me believing it and I am the worlds second most sceptic on the planet. Remoore is the first! lol
Anytime now you may quit kicking the dead horse. It is starting to stink. No disrespect intended but Jeeeeeez, get a grip!
Are you living in EC yet? Better hurry on down since the mad rush is on by all the unhappy losers or you can wait a few months and they will be back up north.

OceanHideaway
  11/23/2016 20:49 EST

Actually, with 2,000,000+ votes... the Press was right...

So what happens now...

Becuase there is no precedent for this situation, but it was considered in the Constitution...

In fact, it is exactly why the Electoral College exists. And no it is not so urban and rural areas have an equal voice, that's the purpose of the Legislature.

We have an oligarchy in the white house selling favors -- once again look up the big word emolument. Then look up "conflict of interests" because a president certainly can have those (See Richard Nixon)

Educate yourselves because you are looking a bit shabby on the knowledge base.

And you guys, with the exception of the self-proclaimed dum one, are not stupid.

dumluk
  11/23/2016 23:05 EST

But if the election had gone the way that the corporate media had persuaded everybody, even me, it would go, you wouldnt be singing this tune would you? If the Democratic machine actually had its way like we all figured it would, and the pay for play Clinton Foundation supported by almost every billionaire including the Saudi Royal Family succeeded in getting their chosen one in the White House, then everything would just be hunky dory now wouldnt it Susan? Could it actually be that the victim of election rigging turns out to be the actual mastermind of rigging? Dunno, the whole thing smells of fish to me......I dont trust any of em..........and I didnt vote for any of em......and Im glad I didnt, cuz now Trump is backpedaling on virtually every campaign promise he made.......Kinda reminds me of........wait for it.........O´bummer..........Funny how all American Presidents since Kennedy have a tendency to NOT fullfill their campaign promises, even and especially the ones they ran on that got them elected...........Now its a bit early to rush to judgement on Trump yet, but my guess will be that Romney had it right the first time........None of these guys (and girls) are consistent out there except maybe Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich........and how far did the powerbrokers allow them to get? Personally I expect the worst.........And it wouldnt have mattered who won........the agenda continues........meet the new boss, same as the old boss...........the Deep State runs the show, and the Donald I think has already been taken behind the curtain and had his little talk..........and been delivered the facts of life...........lets just hope its good for tourism and real estate values south of the border..........

dumluk
  11/23/2016 23:08 EST

And now if you will excuse me I have a hurricane to get back to, or is it a tropical storm again? Hard to keep up, cuz it keeps changin its mind, like a political creature........But in any case its wreaking havoc, and raining like the time of Noah, and Im jsut surprised there is an internet signal at all........Reamer is gonna need a boat to get at me to get to his Tequila, lol.....................

remoore2001
  11/23/2016 23:44 EST

Y'all, take a deep breath. It's all over. The Donald won. You have to just accept it.
Country, you like to pile on but I heard this same crap when Obama won in 2012.
Been on this earth much longer than most of you. I've found that national elections mean little to most of us. It's the local stuff that we notice.
I made a ton of money under Reagan, but made even more under Clinton. THen made even more under Bush, but hell, lost all of it in the end.
For all of you who are wringing your hands or thinking the whole world is going to change, think again.
You a$$holes who are pissing and moaning about Immigrants taking your jobs and how the deck is stacked against you are just losers who can't win on your own. I guarantee you that I climbed over many more obstacles than 80% of you to be successful.( living on the streets since 15, Drug addiction, ( heroin). 3 yrs in the service early 70's with more addiction. So quit your bitchin white guys. You all sound just like what you seem to hate. The gov't needs to give me a job because these immigrants and minorities are taking all of our jobs.
Hey what jobs are these brown people taking.Picking lettuce and tomatoes, you complainers wouldn't last a day.
Look at Trumps people around him. Same old Sh!t, nothing is going to change.
You righties that are crowing now will be pi$$in and moanin in 1 yr because you are losers. Just how it is. It wasn't the Dems or the repubs that were keeping you down it was your lazy ass selves.. Losers are losers no matter from the right or left.
Quit blaming your miserable life on the Dems or The Repubs.

OceanHideaway
  11/24/2016 03:41 EST

And now an update:

In case you were unaware, to hold a recount, the requesting party has to shoulder the cost.

Jill Stein, of all candidates, came forward and in less than a day has come up with the $2.5 Million dollars needed to cover the cost of the audit

Quoting Bill Palmer of the PALMERrEPORT:

"...Wisconsin’s Elections Commission director announced that his state had begun preparing for a recount. There has been no word out of the other two states yet, but based on the laws in each, those recounts are going to happen as well.

The net effect of Jill Stein triggering these recounts is the same as if Hillary Clinton had asked for it: all of the votes will be recounted. If it turns out that Donald Trump’s razor thin margins in all three states were indeed incorrect and that Hillary actually won all three states, then those Electoral Votes will shift to her, and she’s the next President. What are the odds of all three states determining that Hillary was the real winner of each, even after the recounts are finished? Who knows. No one should get their hopes too high."

in other news:

We have information today that Donald Trump Jr met with Ruian envoys 4 weeks before the election. It is contrary to the Logan Act the United States federal law that forbids unauthorized citizens from negotiating with foreign governments having a dispute with the U.S. It was intended to prevent the undermining of the government's position.

And yes, a President can have conflicts of interest.

Next up: Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.) on Wednesday urged the Government Accountability Office (GAO) to investigate President-elect Donald Trump’s transition efforts.

“We are concerned about reports of ‘disarray’ within a ‘chaotic’ transition, and ask that you address several concerns,” the pair said in a letter to GAO Comptroller General Gene L. Dodaro.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/307329-cummings-warren-to-gao-review-chaotic-trump-transition

Because we are paying for this cluster, well, you know....

As a comparison Wiki Obama´s transition in 2008. HIs team was in place and ready to go 4 months before the election. Because he was prepared to be a president, which is how it is supposed to be done.

nickspm
  11/24/2016 07:07 EST

Anything is possible. However, it seems problematic that HRC has already conceded the election to Trump, which he, in turn, promptly accepted.

She needn't have conceded the very night/early morning of the election itself. Perhaps she acted hastily, but this is also a problem. It makes her decision-making ability look weak once again.

Perhaps the military will jump to her aid and support her, but it seems unlikely after what happened with Benghazi---and her lack of ability to take responsibility then as well.

standg
  11/24/2016 08:55 EST

You are right that I should let it go, and I have tried; however, when I read some of the ridiculous things people write it is hard not to say anything. As for the press, if one knows how to analyze the news one can gain some understanding of the truth or falsity of the "news" Conversely, people who get their news from Fox News (or Fox entertainment as it creates most of its news - see the documentary "Outfoxed"), Breitbart, or other discredited, racist fearmongers are woefully uninformed. That being said, anyone who relies on only the press will have an incomplete knowledge of the world. So I will try to resist. It was difficult to watch how he played on people's prejudices and fears. Hopefully, I will be able to resist reacting to ;some of the inane comments put forth here. I do believe it is important to hold a candle against the darkness - but it is tough in gale force winds of ignorance swirling around our country. I will leave you with this quote that is apropos here: Fear is the only true enemy, born of ignorance and the parent of anger and hate - Edward Albert - sound familiar?

withoutego
  11/24/2016 10:00 EST

standg

You are not alone. But you are in a tiny minority. Being objective and evaluating what you see and hear for reasonableness is considered woos type behavior. Screaming your group's slogans and NEVER changing your POV is the sign of a solid citizen anymore.

Remember the book and film, "I am Legend" The vampires became the normals by driving out what had been normal. Not by virtue just by sheer numbers.

There is no invisible hand guiding us thru fits and starts toward a wonderful future. Humanity, all of it, could easily go into the crapper and as its last act pull the chain and flush itself out of existence.

The only good that might accrue from the suited turd shuttling between DC and NYC is putting some back bone in the left. They've gotten much too warm and fuzzy in the last few decades. This too is human history repeating itself.

and finally....the Irish curse...."May you live in interesting times"

I hope I've cheered you up.

sinego

nickspm
  11/24/2016 10:51 EST

standg,

Happy Thanksgiving!

I'm curious about something.

You seem to be quick to characterize anyone that doesn't agree with your politics as a racist.

However, you never address the fact that Hillary has an illegitimate mixed-race stepson named Danney Williams fathered by Bill Clinton, after Bill had a brief relationship with an African-American prostitute.

Mrs. Clinton has failed to acknowledge her stepson Danney Williams, even though has made many attempts t reach out to the Clintons.

Now, I think it's terrific that you have taken such a strident stand against racism. I'm just a little unclear why you express such selective outrage at Trump supporters regarding race, while you give the Clintons a free pass for abandoning their mixed-race child?

https://www.google.com/search?q=danney+williams&biw=1142&bih=655& source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2& ved=0ahUKEwiU_qeT3sHQAhXL4CYKHarkA_EQ_AUIBygC#imgrc= NC7OfE8oZX7RBM%3A

ecuadorjoe
  11/24/2016 11:25 EST

stan and the others, give it up. The "Stupid silent majority has spoken" they the people can not raise millions of dollars in one or two days, but they elected the next president of the country, whether you leftist like it or not. So it would be appreciated if you all stop crying and calling people names as Hillary did. Have a turkey, eat it and you will not be a turkey.

ecuadorjoe
  11/24/2016 11:29 EST

Stan, please look in the mirror and say hello to a racist. Get it or do I need to draw a picture? And maybe your wife will be next to you and she will look into mirror as well. Have a happy Thanksgiving.

withoutego
  11/24/2016 11:51 EST

Living in Vilcabamba has given me a little more tolerance for the delusional. Its a small village and we need to get along. But....I do carry ear plugs.

One of my acquaintances here, a nice woman, though her "suspension of disbelief" switch is jammed in the "suspend" position, gave me some hope yesterday. She offered something regarding DT. Alien love child or the like. Good to see equal opportunity being applied to invented myth. Or it could just be the fleas jumping onto the new dogs back.

just for the hypothetical - why would Hillary have even an "in-law" relationship with a son sired by her husband. Is this old common law? the legal fiction that any child of either is a child of both?

We're so inbred in Maine nobody can keep track and genology is a lost art.

Black prostitute is a nice touch....carries the right sort of baggage. If he had diddled a drop dead gorgeous Slovene the myth just wouldn't push the same buttons. Hell I'd be up for that. Now thats a fantasy I can get behind!

WTF is wrong with reality? Not enough for some folks? Hay-sus-cristos y todo los santos !!"

sinpacienciainfinita

windshadow
  11/24/2016 11:52 EST

HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL!
Just to prove I am not a racist, prejudice, and a tonto person, I hope all of you have a great day!
A special shout-out to those of you that express your opinions in many different ways, way too many to quote, even those that will be eating their Tofu flavored turkey today, I sincerely enjoy reading this garbage that I post and that you post.
To those of you that chronically repeat yourselves, and repeat yourselves, and repeat yourselves, and repeat yourselves, I am learning to skip your posts and continue on looking for seeds of wisdom.
Happy Thanksgiving Day!

remoore2001
  11/24/2016 12:19 EST

.Nick, back to the basement or I'm going to tell your care giver your playing on the computer again. Oh and by the way, I think that half black young man might be my love child

ecuadorjoe
  11/24/2016 12:33 EST

WindSh..The Ecuadorian people do not people like Stan they will kick his behind out of the country rapidly. So my Ecuadorian friends and family says.

windshadow
  11/24/2016 13:07 EST

Remoore,
Did you say "love child?" I would say it was more a product of "commercial transaction!" So, what would we call that, "transaction child?" Either way, if he was sired by our ex-president and "if" that is true, will he ever be afforded the privileges afforded the clan Clinton?

remoore2001
  11/24/2016 16:07 EST

Well since he already has failed one DNA test I doubt the Clinton clan will be bringing him to Christmas dinner

remoore2001
  11/24/2016 16:13 EST

Joe, of course they would kick him out because he is a leftist.......... Oh wait a minute we have a leftist pres and congress, and the leftist are odds on favorites to win again in 2017.
Do you ever use deductive reasoning before you speak or do you just blurt out nonsense to hear yourself

nickspm
  11/24/2016 16:55 EST

Ron,

Don't be a complete nitwit. The young man Danney Williams is clearly Bill Clinton's son, regardless of what your unimpeachable sources at Star Magazine claim.

ecuadorjoe
  11/24/2016 17:46 EST

Rem..Sorry the Ecuadorian government is not as corrupt as DNC. And I did not speak to you or on your behalf. Do you understand or you just like to blabber nonsense. I don't need to be educated by you re: Ecuador, been here long enough.

dumluk
  11/25/2016 10:00 EST

@O.H. Shall we take a wild guess at where or who or how JIll Stein was able to find the 2.5 million it cost to demand the recount in Wisconsin? Where did the Green Party get that kind of money? My guess based on the experience of watching who is usually funding these mysteries would be George Soros, the busiest 87 yr old Jewish billionaire on the planet...........

OceanHideaway
  11/25/2016 11:25 EST

Russian propaganda effort helped spread ‘fake news’ during election, experts say

The flood of “fake news” this election season got support from a sophisticated Russian propaganda campaign that created and spread misleading articles online with the goal of punishing Democrat Hillary Clinton, helping Republican Donald Trump and undermining faith in American democracy, say independent researchers who tracked the operation.

Russia’s increasingly sophisticated propaganda machinery — including thousands of botnets, teams of paid human “trolls,” and networks of websites and social-media accounts — echoed and amplified right-wing sites across the Internet as they portrayed Clinton as a criminal hiding potentially fatal health problems and preparing to hand control of the nation to a shadowy cabal of global financiers. The effort also sought to heighten the appearance of international tensions and promote fear of looming hostilities with nuclear-armed Russia.

Two teams of independent researchers found that the Russians exploited American-made technology platforms to attack U.S. democracy at a particularly vulnerable moment, as an insurgent candidate harnessed a wide range of grievances to claim the White House. The sophistication of the Russian tactics may complicate efforts by Facebook and Google to crack down on “fake news,” as they have vowed to do after widespread complaints about the problem....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/russian-propaganda-effort-helped-spread-fake-news-during-election-experts-say/2016/11/24/793903b6-8a40-4ca9-b712-716af66098fe_story.html

OceanHideaway
  11/25/2016 11:29 EST

Jill Stein Says Her Campaign Raised Funds for Recounts in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania

Green Party candidate’s party has raised $4.7 million as of Friday morning

WASHINGTON—Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein said that her campaign has raised enough money to file requests for vote recounts in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, after a prominent computer scientist called for paper ballots to be examined to prove the results hadn’t been manipulated by hackers.

In an online fundraising surge over the Thanksgiving holiday, Ms. Stein’s campaign raised $4.7 million toward the recounts as of Friday morning, according to a fundraising website set up by the campaign.

In addition to Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, the Stein campaign is raising money for a recount in Michigan and appears on track to hit that goal. Those three states provided Republican Donald Trump with his margin of victory over Democrat Hillary Clinton and together represent enough Electoral College votes to tip the results of the election.

"After a divisive and painful presidential race, in which foreign agents hacked into party databases, private email servers, and voter databases in certain states, many Americans are wondering if our election results are reliable,” Ms. Stein said in a statement on her website.
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“That’s why the unexpected results of the election and reported anomalies need to be investigated before the 2016 presidential election is certified. We deserve elections we can trust.”

The recount effort follows concerns this election season about the integrity of the vote. Mr. Trump routinely said before Election Day that the outcome would be rigged. Mrs. Clinton’s supporters pointed to efforts linked to Russia to hack and release embarrassing information about her campaign. Election officials and cybersecurity experts worried about the safety and security of voting infrastructure.

The push for a recount has been driven in part by J. Alex Halderman, a prominent computer scientist and expert in election security and one of a group of computer scientists and election law experts who urged Clinton campaign officials last week to press for a recount of ballots in those three states.

In a blog post explaining the need for a recount, Mr. Halderman outlined a theoretical way that electronic voting systems, even if they are not connected to the internet, could have been hacked. He acknowledged that there is no evidence that such a hack occurred.

“The only way to know whether a cyberattack changed the result is to closely examine the available physical evidence—paper ballots and voting equipment in critical states like Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Unfortunately, nobody is ever going to examine that evidence unless candidates in those states act now, in the next several days, to petition for recounts,” Mr. Halderman wrote Wednesday

http://www.wsj.com/articles/jill-stein-says-her-campaign-raised-funds-for-recounts-in-wisconsin-pennsylvania-1480087240

OceanHideaway
  11/25/2016 11:35 EST

Opinions
The Constitution lets the electoral college choose the winner. They should choose Clinton.

Lawrence Lessig is a professor at Harvard Law School and the author of “Republic, Lost: Version 2.0.” In 2015, he was a candidate in the Democratic presidential primary.

Conventional wisdom tells us that the electoral college requires that the person who lost the popular vote this year must nonetheless become our president. That view is an insult to our framers. It is compelled by nothing in our Constitution. It should be rejected by anyone with any understanding of our democratic traditions? — most important, the electors themselves.

The framers believed, as Alexander Hamilton put it, that “the sense of the people should operate in the choice of the [president].” But no nation had ever tried that idea before. So the framers created a safety valve on the people’s choice. Like a judge reviewing a jury verdict, where the people voted, the electoral college was intended to confirm — or not — the people’s choice. Electors were to apply, in Hamilton’s words, “a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice” — and then decide. The Constitution says nothing about “winner take all.” It says nothing to suggest that electors’ freedom should be constrained in any way. Instead, their wisdom — about whether to overrule “the people” or not — was to be free of political control yet guided by democratic values. They were to be citizens exercising judgment, ?not cogs turning a wheel.

Many think we should abolish the electoral college. I’m not convinced that we should. Properly understood, the electors can serve an important function. What if the people elect a Manchurian candidate? Or a child rapist? What if evidence of massive fraud pervades a close election? It is a useful thing to have a body confirm the results of a democratic election — so long as that body exercises its power reflectively and conservatively. Rarely — if ever — should it veto the people’s choice. And if it does, it needs a very good reason.

So, do the electors in 2016 have such a reason?

Only twice in our past has the electoral college selected a president against the will of the people — once in the 19th?century and once on the cusp of the 21st. (In 1824, it was Congress that decided the election for John Quincy Adams; likewise in 1876, it was Congress that gave disputed electoral college votes to Rutherford B. Hayes.)

In 1888, Benjamin Harrison lost the popular vote to Grover Cleveland but won in the electoral college, only because Boss Tweed’s Tammany Hall turned New York away from the reformer Cleveland (by fewer than 15,000 votes). In 2000, George W. Bush lost the popular vote by a tiny fraction — half a percent — and beat Al Gore in the electoral college by an equally small margin — less than 1 percent.

In both cases, the result violated what has become one of the most important principles governing our democracy?— one person, one vote. In both cases, the votes of some weighed much more heavily than the votes of others. Today, the vote of a citizen in Wyoming is four times as powerful as the vote of a citizen in Michigan. The vote of a citizen in Vermont is three times as powerful as a vote in Missouri. This denies Americans the fundamental value of a representative democracy — equal citizenship. Yet nothing in our Constitution compels this result.

Instead, if the electoral college is to control who becomes our president, we should take it seriously by understanding its purpose precisely. It is not meant to deny a reasonable judgment by the people. It is meant to be a circuit breaker — just in case the people go crazy.

In this election, the people did not go crazy. The winner, by far, of the popular vote is the most qualified candidate for president in more than a generation. Like her or not, no elector could have a good-faith reason to vote against her because of her qualifications. Choosing her is thus plainly within the bounds of a reasonable judgment by the people.

Yet that is not the question the electors must weigh as they decide how to cast their ballots. Instead, the question they must ask themselves is whether there is any good reason to veto the people’s choice.

But the question today is which precedent should govern today — Tammany Hall and Bush v. Gore, or one person, one vote?

The framers left the electors free to choose. They should exercise that choice by leaving the election as the people decided it: in Clinton’s favor.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-constitution-lets-the-electoral-college-choose-the-winner-they-should-choose-clinton/2016/11/24/0f431828-b0f7-11e6-8616-52b15787add0_story.html?utm_term=.5e5eb36edec5

PACountryBoy
  11/25/2016 13:22 EST

OCEAN...Selection by the majority is MOB RULE. She is still not outta hot water. Goudy, Chaffez and Isis are all on her case like ,a bad rash and they have hired a tailor to make a designer orange jump suit. As far as the presidency goes, she has already conceded the presidency to Trump. So as the words to the song go, "The party's over....it's time to call it a day..." So wipe away the tears and get back to your excellent service by providing helpful information to we poor "irredeemable deplorables."
: >)))) NO MAN LEFT BEHIND.

ecuadorjoe
  11/25/2016 14:15 EST

PAC, please don't talk about that she was only joking about getting rid of the Roman Catholics as well. I am one of this Christians, poor etc. But all what she said is acceptable by non Christians. And interestingly Trump had more black and Hispanics voting for him. Wandering why.

dumluk
  11/25/2016 14:28 EST

Lets take a closer look at the Jill Stein fundraising effort shall we? Once again, I smell old fish: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-25/mysterious-case-jill-steins-surging-recount-costs

ecuadorjoe
  11/25/2016 14:57 EST

Duml. Another one that sold Israel for $$$$$$$?

dumluk
  11/25/2016 15:13 EST

Not to belabor the subject but this is what the U.S. A. would look like without the electoral college. Four States would determine the vote. Is that what you want O.H.? http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-20/united-states-america-without-electoral-college

OceanHideaway
  11/25/2016 16:16 EST

You are quoting an Anonymous Blog as your proof?

You can do better than that.

As for the Electoral College, do your homework. It was created in 1789, before three of those states existed and rural areas were counted by percentages of humans ie slaves.

I suggest you read Federalist Papers, 68, Hamilton as to why we actually have an Electoral College. It was because poor whites with small land holdings were considered too stupid to be able to tell real facts from fake propaganda.

As for raising $4.7 million in 2 days, we started at $1.9 and this is important.

NOw here is a question for you.

Woo is paying for and going to pay for the $1 million dollar plus DAILY bill to protect the NYC home of Barron Trump so he doesn´t have an upheaval in his 10 year old life and his musy won´t have to find a new beautician?

By my count that is already a bill of $17,000.000.00 we ALL have to pay Democrat, Republican, Independent... Deplorable, Jew, Alt-Right, Black, Resident Immigrant... oh yes...just give them a chance...

He isn´t even president yet and he is running at a feficit.

THree swing states are in recount and already Wisconsin, even before it is starting the recount, is correcting discrepancies. It already appears it will swing to CLINTON.

And now the citizens of Florida are requesting a recount.

Guess what. I am a citizen of FLorida

Guess what... I voted absentee

Guess what... My ballot? Was not counted (yes you can look it up.)

So yes... I have contacted the Secty of State...

THis isn´t over until the Electoral College sits and decides.

The fact that Russian propogandists manipulated the election through the Social Media via Fake News sites like Zero Hedge and LibertyWriters is now proven.

The fact that the head f the ALt Right is literally in bed (as in married to) a leading Russian propagandist, is known.

We see the smae pattern occurring in perhaps the last bastion of Free Democracy since Breit (and I swear I am living in an alternate Universe) Germany! Because they are suffering from the same manipulation and they have caught it in action and eposed it...because of the USA election earlier this month.

All we can do now is see if upon close review, using the checks and blances created by our Founding Fathers, ie The Eletoral College, review by the General Accounting Office, and so on, that we can salvage this ...

E PLURIBUS UNUM

... yeah that´s our motto...

Seems you all have forgotten it.

I´ll leave it right here for you in the back rows to write down and memorize.

Susan

PACountryBoy
  11/25/2016 19:17 EST

JOE.....Here's why he got more blacks, Latinos and despicables. I'm not a big fan of Michael Moore but, brother, he nailed it this time. If anyone is offended bY "tough" language, do not follow this link:

http://search.aol.com/aol/video?q=u+tube+michael+moore+was+right&s_it=video-ans&sfVid=true&videoId=471C2299FAA29E7A1AD9471C2299FAA29E7A1AD9&v_t=clpromo1 : > o

NO MAN LEFT BEHIND

PACountryBoy
  11/25/2016 19:34 EST

DUM....GREAT link THX. In it there is an answer ,to Joe's question as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWh4a98Fwlc

They just can't get over it. The "snowflakes" are having a major MELTDOWN. : >))))

OceanHideaway
  11/25/2016 20:22 EST

I am going to leave something else here as a benchmark... because it was claimed...and correctly...that the debt and the deficit have increased in the USA and that was used as a major call to arms to vote Trump.

Regrettably, you folks who did not review the rest of the statistics. Because information taken in a vacuum, especially numbers, can be twisted.

Since President Barack Obama first took office:
The U.S. trade deficit has shrunk by 24 percent; exports have grown faster than imports.
The number of immigrants in the U.S. illegally has gone down — by 3.4 percent according to one independent estimate and by 9 percent according to another.
The economy has added 9.7 million jobs.
The unemployment rate has dropped below the historical norm.
The buying power of the average worker’s weekly paycheck is up 4.2 percent.
Corporate profits are running 144 percent higher and stock prices have soared.
Federal debt has more than doubled, and annual deficits, after shrinking, are again on the rise.
The number of people lacking health insurance has gone down by nearly 15 million.

Debts are not proof of takeover...they are proof of credit worthiness.... and that is proved by the health of the workforce (that would be you guys) who were about to get your minimum wage raised and your right to overtime approved and your daughters and wives rights to maternity leave (and your sons too) and to take off leave to care for elderly parents (that would be us).

That´s all gone.

Say goodbye to Social Security and Medicare too. It´s getting privatized

So will public school. SO say goodbye to the possible future of your kids to ever have the opportunity to fight these bastards at their own game.

I think maybe a few of you are beginning to see what is really happening. And it is frightening for the USA and the future. If you are in a marginalized community, like me, you know this is not politics as usual and that you do not have the luxury to sit in a lawn chair and wait 4 years. Readers of our Forum can see hate speech directed towards me or to my attention from posters who support the deplorable ideologies being given free reign under the auspices current administration.

It´s a conspiracy but not the one many of you were duped to believe. It is almost cliché. Russian propaganda. Manipulation of the voter base via Fake Media. Possible due to the serious lack of critical thinking skills of the common American and the entertainment nature of Television News.

remoore2001
  11/25/2016 20:40 EST

Have any of you idiots Country, Dum, and others noticed that most of your stuff is youtube crap while OH actually uses such sites as the Wall street journal and other reputable sites.
I've always known that Joe and Nickspn were pretty much idiots, but didn't realize that Dum and Country were also kinda stupid. By the way, I don't even agree with OH, I think Trump won but she brings a far better argument to her side than any of you do.

dumluk
  11/25/2016 20:42 EST

Youre missing the point again as usual......personally, I LIKE diversity......I even like a bit of color, jaja.......I dont wanna live in an all-white world by any stretch........And I never liked Trump, not 20 yrs ago, not now........But Ive learned who the Clintons are, and I now know I cant trust them either..........and my point was about how the popular vote would look today if thats what determines the election, not 200 yrs ago.......and the answer IS......4, maybe 5 States determine the outcome, and the other 45 or 46 dont even matter............So yes, not long ago, I agreed with you about the electoral college.....I could never understand the justification for it, but now it DOES make more sense..........think about it! And use spell check while yur at it........(Reamer luvs the way I spell yur)...........and now if you´ll excuse me, my cocktail awaits me..........

remoore2001
  11/25/2016 20:43 EST

PA, quit using No Man Left Behind like you have ever been there. It's discusting to those of us who have served.

Cora52
  11/25/2016 23:25 EST

I think there is a misconception about the popular vote....it is meant to be popular vote by State. Trump won the popular votes in 39 States vs 11 for Hillary that's why he was awarded the 306 electoral votes. If it was intended as a popular vote for the whole nation, then the focus of the campaign would only be in highly populated States....say goodbye to less populated States.
This recount will take forever to finish...each party's rep has to scrutinize every vote including those dead people who voted, illegal immigrants, flying voters, etc. and I won't be surprised if the result would even increase Trump's lead.

remoore2001
  11/25/2016 23:40 EST

Dum says.... Personally I like diversity. Yea as long as it doesn't involve Jews, Hispanics, or any other immigrant or people of color. Give me a brake.

ecbound
  11/26/2016 02:30 EST

Her fund received $160,000 per hour, around the clock.


http://usapoliticsnow.com/busted-jill-steins-election-recount-paid-bot/

nickspm
  11/26/2016 03:07 EST

You're so cynical!

Maybe the Clintons are just getting the recognition they deserve for all of their charitable good works.

http://www.tmn.today/2016/11/woman-investigating-clinton-foundation-child-trafficking/

Grasshopper
  11/26/2016 06:59 EST

I'm on my honeymoon.. lol

I vote for another rum and coke (yeah, DL, I'm a pawn and a slave to the evil cola empire) and ano order of fresh shrimp.

But no, seriously here. We have folks on here quoting sewer gas as fact and every time someone mentions Russian hacking and propaganda, it gets ignored and glazed over like a Krispy Kream doughnut.

We broke the back of the USSR.. but not the Russian agenda, people. They are, and have been, masters of propaganda for many many decades. I had to study the methods used, not only by the Soviets, but us as well. It was an eye opener, but one didn't need gov training to see it - it was far from subtle.

In Palma Spain I walked down a street one night to a bookstore I had spotted earlier that had a large red sign bearing a gold hammer and sickle... the former Soviet flag (as you know)

The store had open wall entrances to make it easily accessible. They wanted their goods seen as clearly as possible.

What goods? Magazines mostly. This is how it was set up -

There would be a vertical row of things like Field and Stream, Hot Rod, Rolling Stone, Penthouse and anything and everything else you can imagine. But between each row of Western eye candy was a row of Soviet issues in various languages and various subjects - but the main subject of all the "red" issues was the advantages of communism and such. There was no way to just see the familiar publications without having a really major and intricate propaganda effort right in your face.

I had been seen this store the day before, and had been sent in to photograph the layout, employees and patrons, if any. I had my Navy Nikon F2 loaded with a roll of Kodak Tri-X.

The two people working inside were welcoming at first, very welcoming when they confirmed I was an American. I had to wear my hair a bit long back then as not to look military, and had my camera slung back like a tourist and not being used. So, they had their guard down. I cased the store first to decide what needed to be photographed, worked my way to the back and then began shooting as I made my way through the store.

They did not like that one bit. I was rushed and had to fight my way out and barely got the damn Nikon out with me.. I wouldn't have if I hadn't had 2 operatives right outside to come to my aid.

These are different times. No longer is there an "in your face" effort to bring communism to your dinner table and have you choose to put it on your plate. But don't be fooled - the Russian government is more active in furthering their countries agendas than ever. The USSR only changed hats and flags.

If you think Russia isn't doing 100x more than the little we stumble upon... then buddy, they just succeeded in what they do best.

Where there is smoke, there is fire. And more often than not, there is even more fire that is smokeless.

Hopp

dumluk
  11/26/2016 10:12 EST

@O.H. thats just plain manipulation of the facts Susan......the only part of that which is believable is where you state that corporate profits have gone up.....they definately have, and at the expense of the workers lower down the food chain.......if what you stated was true, then there wouldnt have been such a major populist uprising the likes of which we havent seen since the Vietnam war protests......Sorry Oshun, but everything is not hunky dory as you would have us believe.....Why is there an exodus out of the U.S. like never before seen in the history of the country? Wow, talk about propaganda from the moderator........and speaking of propaganda, Hopp, have you ever heard of Edward Bernays by any chance? Nephew of Sigmond Freud? The father of modern propaganda techniques.......which our govt. and corporate media use relentlessly.......do a little reading on that subject, but after the honeymoon......It might spoil the mood.........and @Reamin and steamin......I´ll be happy to give you a brake......will it be a brake pad or an emergency brake.......you could use either/or..........and now for the evening presentation, I offer up ANOTHER Youtube video from an Aljazeera interview with one of my favorite Jews in the whole wide world, Noam Chomsky. For those of you who dont know who he is, then you should never have been allowed to vote in the first place: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB54XxbgI0E

dumluk
  11/26/2016 10:26 EST

@Hopper Is this an example of the scale of the new Russian propaganda machine at work? Hahahaha..........i would suggest that is the pot calling the kettle black.....Putin says he WISHES he had the propaganda tools at his disposal that the West does....At least he is honest....and yes, everybody is spying on everybody else and has been for a long time......http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-25/lone-blogger-rages-against-washington-posts-russian-hit-list

ecbound
  11/26/2016 12:19 EST

Good point, Cora. But it doesn't matter because they won't stop at anything to keep Trump from draining the swamp. And, unfortunately, unaware people who still trust the mainstream media (even after the constant stream of lies over the last year), are not only going to allow the presidency to be stolen, they will champion it, because they don't look at the bigger picture and what this means for our democracy from now on. They don't realize that if the globalists succeed in destroying our country, they will suffer as much as we will.

ecuadorjoe
  11/26/2016 15:32 EST

ecbound.. don't say that here, I got spanked my behind hurts. Are you coming to the "Red Neck Riviera"?

ecuadorjoe
  11/26/2016 15:34 EST

dum..Noooooo

ecuadorjoe
  11/26/2016 15:43 EST

dum.. The American Jews supporting the government that sold Israel? I guess the Americans love the dollar more than their country? I don't know..

ecuadorjoe
  11/26/2016 15:46 EST

nick,,,Nooooo, not them. They would not do that. lol...

ecuadorjoe
  11/26/2016 15:55 EST

Cora..you are correct, but the left don't care they own the media monkeys.

OceanHideaway
  11/26/2016 17:00 EST

As Trump Embraces Term Limits, Allies in Congress Pull Away

WASHINGTON — Congressional Republicans are settling in for what they hope is a long run in the majority, but President-elect Donald J. Trump doesn’t want them to get too comfortable.

“We’re going to put on term limits, which a lot of people aren’t happy about, but we’re putting on term limits,” Mr. Trump said in an interview with “60 Minutes” that aired on Sunday. “We’re doing a lot of things to clean up the system.”

If one thing could put Mr. Trump on a collision course with his new allies on Capitol Hill, it is his embrace of proposals such as term limits and tougher restrictions on allowing lawmakers and top aides to become lobbyists in the lucrative world of Washington influence peddling.

Members of Congress like to talk about returning power to the people, but many would prefer not to vote to limit their own tenure or future employment opportunities. Bringing up term limits is seen by some as raining on their postelection parade.

Senator Mitch McConnell, Republican of Kentucky and the majority leader, made that quite clear last week when he said the Senate outlook for term limits was severely limited.

“I would say we have term limits now,” Mr. McConnell told reporters. “They’re called elections. And it will not be on the agenda in the Senate.”

Still, Mr. Trump’s highlighting of his call for term limits — it is No. 1 on his list of priorities to “clean up the corruption and special interest collusion in Washington, D.C.” — revives an initiative that has been dormant in Washington for years after Republicans rode it to the House takeover in 1994 but then failed to make it happen.

Mr. Trump found a surprising kindred spirit on term limits on Monday when President Obama seemed to endorse the concept.

“I think we want to see new voices and new ideas emerge,” Mr. Obama said at a news conference. “That’s part of the reason why I think term limits are a really useful thing.”....

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/17/us/politics/as-trump-embraces-term-limits-allies-in-congress-pull-away.html

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In other words, Trumps desire to "drain the swamp" with term limits is being met with Republican allies defying him. They do not wish to be "drained".

President Obama however, thinks this is a good idea... allowing fresh voices to enter the Government, through the Congress and the Senate.

So, guess what, all of you folks are in agreement with President Obama, and thank you.

OceanHideaway
  11/26/2016 17:04 EST

Mitch McConnell Doesn’t Think Draining The Swamp Is A ‘Real Concern’ Of Regular People

"Thousands chanted it at Trump rallies, but the Senate leader doesn’t think a lobbyist-ridden government affects their lives...."

WASHINGTON ? Donald Trump’s rallying cry for the final few weeks of the campaign was “Drain the swamp!”

It was so effective in his closing-argument rallies that his enormous crowds chanted it when he talked about kicking the lobbyists and special interests out of their corrupting positions of influence.

But asked about Trump’s pledge to drain the swamp recently, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) was not grabbing for the buckets.

He said he didn’t think that’s the sort of thing voters want, or that it would affect their lives.

Instead, he ran through a familiar list of GOP agenda items the Trump administration could achieve that he’s been pushing since Barack Obama won the presidency with his own appeal for change.

“We’re going to address the real concerns of the American people,” McConnell said.....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mitch-mcconnell-drain-the-swamp_us_5835fbafe4b09b60560014cf?section=politics

Includes video

Grasshopper
  11/26/2016 17:22 EST

@Dum
Damn man, Putin said that?
...well I'll be!

..because we all know he'd brag on it if he had a half ass propaganda machine or competent hackers ,lol

You got me on that one! What the F*CK was i thinking?

And of course we have one.. you think we're gonna be one upped by the Ruskies?

Anyway, we all are standing in BS. I'm just glad i have my boots on

Hoppski

dumluk
  11/26/2016 18:13 EST

So WHO is the biggest peddler of FAKE NEWS? Why, the U.S. govt. and the MSM of course: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-25/who%E2%80%99s-biggest-peddler-fake-news

OceanHideaway
  11/26/2016 18:21 EST

Russian Effort Helped Spread Fake Election News, Report Says

A Russian propaganda apparatus was successful in spreading fake or false news stories during the recent US election, Washington Post reports. The findings come from a new, unpublished report provided to the Post that found more than 200 websites responsible for publishing Russian propaganda during the election cycle. These sites had a combined readership of 15 million Americans.

The campaign reportedly included the use of thousands of botnets, a network of websites and social media accounts, and a team of people paid to push conspiracy theories online. Some of the most common propaganda stories claimed that Hillary Clinton’s health was declining, that people were paid thousands of dollars to protest Trump, and, in the weeks leading up to election day, that the election was rigged.

A TEAM OF PEOPLE WERE PAID TO PUSH FAKE STORIES
When these stories were published on Facebook, they were viewed around 213 million times, the Post reports.

The researchers traced the origins of social media posts and mapped how they were related to each other, which revealed “connected networks controlled by a single entity,” according to the Post. Many social media accounts and websites would repeat the exact same phrases in rapid succession.

“The way that this propaganda apparatus supported Trump was equivalent to some massive amount of a media buy,” the executive director of Prop Or Not, the nonpartisan organization behind the report, told the Post.

As the Post points out, this is not the first report to come to this conclusion. At the start of November, similar findings were published on the security blog War on the Rocks. That report, from Foreign Policy Institute fellow Clint Watts and researchers Andrew Weisburd and J.M. Berger, found “organized hordes of trolls” on Twitter and Facebook who would defend Russian foreign policy to any detractors and attempt to erode trust in mainstream news sources. These trolls would often present themselves on social media as “attractive young women eager to talk politics with Americans.” The researchers concluded that this propaganda effort was an attempt to undermine Americans’ faith in the US government.

Last month, Russia was found to be behind the hack on the Democratic National Committee which lead to the publication of Clinton campaign chair John Podesta’s emails by WikiLeaks

http://fortune.com/2016/11/25/russia-fake-news-election/

OceanHideaway
  11/26/2016 18:39 EST

As Remoore pointed out yesterday, Dumluk quotes only one source. That source is "ZeroHedgeFund"

Let´s take a look at that source and who and what it is. An article from Bloomberg:by journalists Tracy Alloway and Luke Kawa published on April 29, 2016, gives us a view into this "blog" which Dum quotes incessantly as actual proof of his opinions and reality. After reading it, you decide on the value of his posts:

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Unmasking the Men Behind Zero Hedge, Wall Street's Renegade Blog

"The veil is lifted on a secretive website..."

Colin Lokey, also known as "Tyler Durden," is breaking the first rule of Fight Club: You do not talk about Fight Club. He’s also breaking the second rule of Fight Club. (See the first rule.)

After more than a year writing for the financial website Zero Hedge under the nom de doom of the cult classic’s anarchic hero, Lokey’s going public. In doing so, he’s answering a question that has bedeviled Wall Street since the site sprang up seven years ago: Just who is Tyler Durden, anyway?

The answer, it turns out, is three people. Following an acrimonious departure this month, in which two-thirds of the trio traded allegations of hypocrisy and mental instability, Lokey, 32, decided to unmask himself and his fellow Durdens.

Lokey said the other two men are Daniel Ivandjiiski, 37, the Bulgarian-born former analyst long reputed to be behind the site, and Tim Backshall, 45, a well-known credit derivatives strategist. (Bloomberg LP competes with Zero Hedge in providing financial news and information.)

In a telephone interview, Ivandjiiski confirmed that the men had been the only Tyler Durdens on the payroll since Lokey came aboard last year, but he criticized his former colleague's decision to come forward.

He called Lokey's parting gift a case of sour grapes. Backshall, meanwhile, declined to comment, referring questions to Ivandjiiski. A political science graduate with an MBA and a Southern twang, Lokey said he had a checkered past before joining Zero Hedge. Earlier this month, overwork landed him in a hospital because he felt a panic attack coming on, he said.

“Ultimately we wish Colin all the best, he’s clearly a troubled individual in many ways, and we are frankly disappointed that he’s decided to take his displeasure with the company in such a public manner,” Ivandjiiski said.

The Schism

Ivandjiiski worked for a hedge fund before being barred by the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority in 2008 for insider trading. He didn’t admit or deny wrongdoing, the agency said. Backshall is a familiar face on financial news networks who has been quoted by media outlets, including Bloomberg. His involvement with Zero Hedge, along with that of Lokey, hasn’t been widely known.

The schism between the men sheds light on a website popular among market professionals, one that mixes detailed financial analysis with sensational headlines such as "The Coming War Will Solve Our Unemployment & Growth Problem" and "Exposed—How Two Janet Yellen Phone Calls Saved The World."

Since being founded in the depths of the financial crisis, Zero Hedge has grown from a blog to an Internet powerhouse. Often distrustful of the “establishment” and almost always bearish, it's known for a pessimistic world view. Posts entitled “Stocks Are In a Far More Precarious State Than Was Ever Truly Believed Possible” and “America's Entitled (And Doomed) Upper Middle Class” are not uncommon.

The site’s ethos is perhaps best summed up by the tagline at the top of its homepage, also borrowed from Fight Club: “On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.” A paean to populism, the 1999 film is filled with loathing for consumerism and the financial system. Brad Pitt portrays Tyler Durden as hell-bent on bringing down the corrupt system of the global elite—an attitude often reflected in Zero Hedge’s content.

With that in mind, the website has argued that “pseudonymous speech” is necessary amid an atmosphere of stifled public dissent—hence the "Tyler Durden" alias was born. In earlier years, Durden was joined by "Marla Singer," another Fight Club character, as one of the site’s most prominent authors.

“It reminds me of a successful information operation where you mix in the propaganda stories along with other legitimate stories,” said Craig Pirrong, finance professor at the University of Houston. “There are some interesting things on it, and then there are the crazy things.”

Profit Motive

Despite holding itself out as a town crier for market angst, transcripts from Zero Hedge internal chat sessions provided by Lokey reveal a focus on Web traffic by the Durdens. Headlines are debated and a relentless publishing schedule maintained to keep readers sated. Lokey said the emphasis on profit—and what he considered political bias at the site—motivated him to quit.

He pointed to the wealth of the Durdens as a factor. Ivandjiiski has a multimillion-dollar mansion in Mahwah, N.J., and Backshall lives in a plush San Francisco suburb—not exactly reflections of Pitt's anticapitalist icon. “What you are reading at Zero Hedge is nonsense. And you shouldn’t support it,” Lokey wrote in an e-mail. “Two guys who live a lifestyle you only dream of are pretending to speak for you.”

Lokey adds: “Durden lives in a castle. If you’ve seen Fight Club, you know how ironic that is.”

A former “director of contributor success” at website Seeking Alpha, Lokey said he joined Zero Hedge for $6,000 a month and received an annual bonus of $50,000, earning more than $100,000 last year. His salary helped pay the rent on a “very nice” condominium on South Carolina’s Hilton Head Island, he said. Despite the compensation, he contends that he left because he disagreed with the site's editorial vision. “Reality checks are great. But Zero Hedge ceased to serve that public service years ago,” Lokey wrote. “They care what generates page views. Clicks. Money.”

Zero Hedge founder Ivandjiiski defended the site, adding that it's designed to be a for-profit entity. “Ultimately, the website makes money, and it’s profitable, which is also why we’ve never had to seek outside funding or any outside money—our only revenue is from advertising, always has been since day one,” he said. “Obviously, every publisher’s mission is to maximize revenue and page views, and we think that we do it in a way that is appropriate.”

Outside the Bubble

Any website's focus on traffic and revenue certainly isn't unusual. But Lokey said he was irked by what he saw as the hypocrisy of Zero Hedge and how it runs counter to its antiestablishment image. In the chat transcripts, Ivandjiiski refers to America's “silent majority” as “beastly,” while Backshall acknowledges life in the U.S. is bad “outside of my bubble.”

Ivandjiiski disagreed with the suggestion that personal worth or lifestyle precluded them from donning the mask of Durden (the character who quipped “the things you own end up owning you”) to deride the prevailing order. “We’ve never said that we are pro-socialist,” he said.

Lokey, who said he wrote much of the site’s political content, claimed there was pressure to frame issues in a way he felt was disingenuous. “I tried to inject as much truth as I could into my posts, but there’s no room for it. “Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry= dunce. Vladimir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft,” Lokey wrote, describing his take on the website's politics. Ivandjiiski countered that Lokey could write “anything and everything he wanted directly without anyone writing over it.”

Working at Zero Hedge was also exhausting, Lokey said, and typically involved early morning starts and writing as many as 15 posts a day of as many as 1,500 words each. The work didn’t stop on the weekends, either. Text messages exchanged between Lokey and Ivandjiiski, screen shots of which were provided by the latter, paint the picture of a work environment that ranged from exhilarating to exasperating.
For instance, Lokey says he's “scared to even ask for an hour off,” while Ivandjiiski replies that “if you ever need time off for whatever reason, never hesitate to just ask.” In February, Lokey says, “I love this company and this website,” and tells Ivandjiiski “you saved my life,” expressing thanks for the job.

By April 2—the day Lokey left Zero Hedge—their relationship had deteriorated significantly, according to the messages provided by Ivandjiiski.

“I can’t be a 24-hour cheerleader for Hezbollah, Moscow, Tehran, Beijing, and Trump anymore. It’ s wrong. Period. I know it gets you views now, but it will kill your brand over the long run,” Lokey texted Ivandjiiski. “This isn’t a revolution. It’s a joke.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-29/unmasking-the-men-behind-zero-hedge-wall-street-s-renegade-blog

ecuadorjoe
  11/26/2016 18:42 EST

Susan..I guess all the democrats agree to term limits, correct? As did the boy from W. Virginia KKK who past away. How many years in Congress?

ecuadorjoe
  11/26/2016 18:44 EST

Susan..Hufu Pufu post is your source?

OceanHideaway
  11/26/2016 19:38 EST

I include the Internet address to what I post Ecuador Joe, and use a number of sources from print sources with such as the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, the Guardianto recognized internet sources like the Verge, Bloomberg, Raw Post, Fortune, and yes Huffington to name a few..

I also review news from other sources that I do not share because the news is not verified but I use it as a jumping off point to research such as the Palmer Report, and Daily News Bin,

I also take the time to review Fake News sites such as Liberty News and questionable blogs such as ZeroHedge to see how and who is perpetuating the pseudo news and their agenda.

And now that I replied to your question, it is your turn to share with us where you get your news.

PACountryBoy
  11/27/2016 10:25 EST

CORA....Well put!!! The "snowflakes" are in total meltdown. It's creating a flood on each of the coasts but "fly over country" is totally dry. The fat lady has sung!!!!! Suck it up, Buttercup! : >)))

standg
  11/27/2016 13:06 EST

Did you read the article you referenced? It debunks the notion that Danney Williams is the stepson of Bill Clinton. Danney Williams is a conman whose father is listed as Danny Williams Sr. in a 2007 court documents. The source is Alex Jones who runs the fake-news site infowars.com. The article goes on to say that Alex Jones has been proclaiming Williams to be “very, very credible.” Jones went on to say about the alleged ‘love child,’ “You yourself got three children. No record. Hard working guy.” It turns out that Danney Williams is a convicted felon and ex-con who fathered five children by the time he was 21. He has been sued by state officials for not paying child support, and he was just released from state prison last year. So I am hoping you were joking, and not just another gullible fool.

standg
  11/27/2016 13:12 EST

Your post nearly makes sense. I can only assume that you have either found the best drugs in Ecuador, Or you are semi-retarded - perhaps you would do well to remember the old adage: Sometimes it is better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you are stupid rather than opening your mouth and proving it.

ecuadorjoe
  11/27/2016 14:18 EST

Stan,,You are opening your mouth to prove you are stupid. jajajajajajajaja= hahahahahaha so you understand.

dumluk
  11/27/2016 15:51 EST

Yeah, yeah, yeah.........I read that when it came out, and I admit it was a bit of a revelation, but I continue to read the site due to its cutting edge excellence. So now that you all know, thanks to the resourcefulness of our highly motivated moderator that I am Putins pointman in latin america, I offer up another one of my favorite sites: http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-is-behind-fake-news-mainstream-media-use-fake-videos-and-images/5557580

dumluk
  11/27/2016 16:05 EST

Oshun, just so you dont get the idea that Im stuck on one site, heres another one of my favorites, and highly recommended: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article45920.htm

remoore2001
  11/27/2016 16:54 EST

Standg, If your talking about Nick he's never even been to Ecuador so I guess your second choice is correct.
Country, who the hell is buttercup and snow flake, and the left coast is still pretty dry.
Come up with some better material.

withoutego
  11/27/2016 18:05 EST

It would never have occurred to George Orwell that the people would take up the job of creating false news. That their grass roots fantasy effort would drive government and not the other way around. The Ministry of Truth growing out of a popular movement.

In the USA it will be the Department of Truth. In many governments there is a Ministry of Information. In Washington every agency and department has its own office of Information.

A strong executive will consolidate all this into one entity. Truth will come from there plus executive tweets straight from the executive twit.

But "information" is not a strong enough word. Faith as in belief has for many believers been replaced by truth as in absolute reality. Saying you speak truth shuts down any nay sayers at the git-go. I speak the truth and therefor you lie or at best are wrong.

It is no coincidence that about the time Orwell's novel "1984" was being finished in 1947 the US Department of War became the Department of Defense. The country was defending itself from 1941 until it was dominant in 1945. From there on its principal was that the best defense is offense. That's been its strategic posture ever since.

The truth is what you say it is.

The next step is to rename weed soma,

sinego

Grasshopper
  11/27/2016 18:46 EST

I'd like soma weed, but I have to piss for doc buzzkill in the morning, lol.

Dumass, just shut the f*ck up.
You just said you read the debunk, but keep reading for its cutting edge excellence?

Man, you are one lame ass motrin. I have a cutting edge fart for ya, and it's excellence is something that I am pretty sure you'd come back for as well...

That's the nature of of the deluded.. wow.

Hopp

Grasshopper
  11/27/2016 18:52 EST

Oh, and look up what revelation means.

Because if you'd had one then hell's residents must have lost their nads to frostbite

It is a point of fact that allows one to realize they may just have been duped. In your case, I guess you have too much at stake to accept such a "revelation"

H

Grasshopper
  11/27/2016 19:09 EST

I'm gonna leave it to Sue to list sources and you guys to research and quote whatever you wish to.. because I know all too well what's going on.

Did we all forget the primary method of all warfare?

Divide and conquer.

So while we all are busy bitch slapping each other, (and that's exactly what is going on in the US) ..we don't see the little punk who walks up behind us and shanks us in the kidney.

Putin is a shirtless joke to most Americans. But he's a master at chess and laughing while we play a pissy game of tiddly winks.

One day we will bleed out, and it will not be the player we were trying to beat that has the last laugh... It will be the cheerleader we ignored, think it was our countrymen we had to watch.

Mark it.. I wish I were wrong.. but I'm not.

Hopp

remoore2001
  11/27/2016 19:42 EST

Joe, I like others are waiting for your reply to ocean. Where do you get your news and info from? ja ja ja ja

remoore2001
  11/27/2016 19:50 EST

Dum, forget it, you have no credibility. I thought you were just a stupid racist .Now I see your just stupid. Bahgdad Bob and Pravda must be great reading for you . I can't add much more than Hopper.

remoore2001
  11/27/2016 19:55 EST

Joe, read all your posts on this thread and then read all of stans. Now no matter who you agree with, tell us: Who sounds stupid?

ecuadorjoe
  11/27/2016 20:46 EST

Rem...you drunk again? jajajajajaj

nickspm
  11/27/2016 21:34 EST

"The Clinton Foundation. It is considered the "gold standard" for foundations,"

Yeah, that's terrific. Are you sure you don't mean The Clinton Foundation is considered the gold standard of child trafficking?

http://www.tmn.today/2016/11/woman-investigating-clinton-foundation-child-trafficking/

nickspm
  11/27/2016 21:58 EST

Are you sure about that? That doesn't sound quite right to me.

nickspm
  11/27/2016 22:26 EST

Come on, Ron, you big poser.

Give us one of your irrationalal rants about how you are such a humongous libertarian---but that the only news that is credible is that which has been vetted by large corporations. Yeah, that makes sense!

nickspm
  11/27/2016 22:26 EST

Come on, Ron, you big poser.

Give us one of your irrational rants about how you are such a humongous libertarian---but that the only news that is credible is that which has been vetted by large corporations. Yeah, that makes sense!

dumluk
  11/27/2016 22:56 EST

Man, you are one lame ass motrin. I have a cutting edge fart for ya, and it's excellence is something that I am pretty sure you'd come back for as well...
Hahaha......You disappoint me Hopp....I expect better of you than to fall for the Zionist propaganda.........especially as a Cherokee brother...........Zerohedge is not a perfect organization.........but they tell more truth than the New York Slimes or the WaPo......way more.....not even close.........heres another one for your deluded brain which is probably not even capable of digesting it, cuz youve been so hypnotized by the corrupt system of which you have apparently been a part of for a long time........take it from one of your superior officers fartbreath: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-27/governments-are-running-out-excuses-paul-craig-roberts-exposes-western-war-truth

dumluk
  11/28/2016 00:27 EST

Umhhh.......Who knows, but our resident Ecuadorian Mossad rep and her CIA entourage backup, just might know things that the rest of us dont......for instance, why has Trump been refusing his intelligence briefings? And why has Hilliary still been getting them? Strange things afoot.....Not that I really care........nothing short of a real revolution would satisfy me; http://freedomoutpost.com/election-recount-to-happen-soros-responsible-for-funding-recount-effort-video/

standg
  11/28/2016 08:52 EST

I find it funny that Trump supporters are so defensive. Perhaps they are working on their own revelation ...
I also find it ironic you should speak of revelations - I am not surprised you have not had one given the context of your post (as revelation does require at least minimal cognitive ability), but rest assured it is on the way for even the most feeble of intellects.

standg
  11/28/2016 08:59 EST

Great comeback! You must have fired up your last remaining braincells to come up with that. To say you were a moron would be an insult to morons everywhere ...

standg
  11/28/2016 09:12 EST

I assume you are joking about this discredited far, far right conspiracy site.

windshadow
  11/28/2016 09:54 EST

Is it imperative that you personally attack those that disagree with you with slanderous commentary and name calling? I, for one, hope you never show your face in Cuenca. Cuenca is a city where those with differing opinions can still feel safe and welcome except for men, women, children, gays, neocons, liberals, abortionists, pedophiles, christians, jews, muslims, nazis, democrats, republicans, and Remoor. lol

Grasshopper
  11/28/2016 10:23 EST

@WindyOne,

Lol, you just ain't right bro..

Aw, let Remmy come in peace. At least he knows good rum!

Hopp

Grasshopper
  11/28/2016 10:32 EST

Hey DL
No problem..lol.

I try to be an equal opportunity offender - you just make it waaaaay too easy some days.

Superior officer? ...oooo kay
...then HIEL DUMASS!!!

Hopp

remoore2001
  11/28/2016 11:50 EST

I've been barred from Cuenca. This is one of the proudest days of my life. Didn't come here to live in gringo heaven, kind of like the Indigenous vibe. And if they let windhag stay there why would I want to be there.
Honestly, been there once for a stay, just not for me.
Joe, still waiting for you to answer a question. Any question, even one nobody asked. Just want to make sure your not brain dead.

windshadow
  11/28/2016 12:06 EST

Hopp,
Remoor is always welcome, you know that. I just wanted to see if he was up and awake. LOL
As for the others, oh well! They will come with stars in their eyes, political opinions that no one will listen, and soon they will be looking for a place where the Dollar has more value and the young ones don't know the game.
It takes a special type to stay here for many years, a type that really don't give a crap about the opinions of those that don't have clue!
How is married life treating you? Are you both studying Spanish?

dumluk
  11/28/2016 13:12 EST

Not me Hopped UP, Dr. Paul C. Roberts, who like david Stockman had a high post in the Treasury Dept under Reagan......You dont know who he is? Asst Deputy Sec of the Treasury I believe......totally credentialled, and now listen to him........He like many others have come over to the alternative side..........to be on the side of truth and justice of course..........can u relate to that?

dumluk
  11/28/2016 13:35 EST

And about this recount? What are they really up to? http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-27/democrats-real-strategy-launching-recounts

ecuadorjoe
  11/28/2016 14:47 EST

Tem..Hey bud, you are welcome to the "Red neck Riviera" lol...

ecuadorjoe
  11/28/2016 14:55 EST

Remoore......J
jajajajaj, sorry for TEM...

Grasshopper
  11/28/2016 16:32 EST

@Dumluck
Hey man.. lol. Yeah ..i know who Roberts is. Although I'll admit I don't really know anything about his affiliations or ideology.. just his name. But, I'll go on to zerohedge and give your link a look over...lol. hell, I'm open minded enough to give anyone a fair shake.

As far as the recount.. eh, probably a waste of time.. but they'll do what they want regardless of which way the wind blows my excellent farts..lol.

Oh yeah, I meant to ask you if you have ever tried the Kraken rum? It's a spiced rum like Morgan but darker and not a load of vanilla. It's good as hell actually, and I'm not fond of flavored liquors... 93 or 94 proof and smooth as hell. It'll kick the old ass into gear (or out of gear - probably more accurate). Anyway, it's good and you like Morgan, I'd recommend giving it go.. let me know if you do and what you think..

Trump just finished up a meet with ol Gen Petreaus (sp?) for that Sec of State slot. I'd think he would be a better pick than Guliani (again, you'll have to excuse my spelling :) ...Guliani would just sit there and yak on about how he was mayor during 9/11 to the other heads of state - and Romney would try to drag them into $10,000 bets when he gets into anything disagreed on.

But seriously though - what do Trump supporters have to say about how the Donald is already back peddling on his wall, his Muslim ban and his vow to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Clintons email debacle? I mean, I pretty much expected he'd have to, since most of his campaign promises were not even remotely possible anyway. But when you have 20,000 people chanting "lock her up! lock her up!" and then go on later to say "I don't want to hurt her" ...it just seems like he'd lose some cred along the way from those that damned enraged and determined to have the woman charged and tried.

I mean, I thought my cousin was probably going to have a f*cking stroke due to Hillary Hatred.. lol. And he was probably posting more anti - HRC mess on social media than anyone living.

But, a few weeks back he actually met a girl, got laid (I'm assuming) and the rhetoric just sort faded away.

Hmmm.. maybe that's what fueled some of more zealous buttons..? bad case of blue balls?

Hell, maybe if everyone, both sides, just took a sabbatical to Reno for some sex therapy they'd all calm down and share a few shots of The Kracken.. jaja.

- for the record (and like anyone gives two sh*ts anyway) ...I'm not a Hillary lover any more than I am a Trump lover. They both chafe my ass to be honest. I liked ol Bernie.. even though I knew he was a long shot.. I still really like the man.

But, then... I did vote Ross Perot as well. See, Ross reminded me of the Purdue chicken guy..

..and god knows, I'm all about some pollo bueno!!

But holy tweets, Batman - someone has GOT to take the Donald's goddamn iPhone from him!!
Maybe if he was put into "time out" for a few hours he'd get a grip - because.. daaaamn it's like watching a Jr High School kid have a fit because he didn't get dessert or something..

Is that how he is going to lead the country?? ...get pissed off and tweet OMG to heads of state?

And then say he was just joking and pivot when the popular kids say he off his nut?

Eh, whatever. Someone will give him a wedgy in study hall and take his lunch money soon enough.. lol.

Hopped upper than you'd think

ecbound
  11/28/2016 16:50 EST

ecJoe, If by "Redneck Riviera" you mean Ecuador, yes, I am. Hopefully, in less than a year. I'm working on getting my house fixed up so I can sell it, and selling my ridiculous amount of stuff!

Grasshopper
  11/28/2016 16:55 EST

Hey Remmy,
I do get it about how Cuenca can be irritatingly gringo. I got a taste of that fact at the infamous wine party where I left my "stinky Harley jacket" jaja. But, I do like the great architecture of some of the old churches, and I have to say I dig laying by the Tomabamba and having a Club and some local made lunch. But, I am onboard with you on the whole way too white thing. There is place on Calla Larga that used to be called the Coffee Tree, (now it is the Espresso Bean or some stupid sh!t) like that. And the outdoor seating has a velvet rope around it to ward off the "microbes" with a cop always standing guard on the corner. I have always sat outside that rope with the locals and backpackers... but a couple of months ago I took a seat inside the sacred gringo for a drink (I had to break a 20 because none of the tiendas around could and I wanted a pack of smokes). I struck up a few conversations with those sitting around me, and, as I said, I am an equal opportunity offender..lol.. and offend I did. Let me tell ya, it didn't take much either.

I was very glad to pay that overpriced check and get the hell out of there. It made me embarrassed to be a Gringo and I made sure to let the snooty dickheads see me take a seat with outside their holier than thou zone and pass a bottle of Pilsner around with those they seemed to hold such disdain for.

Makes you wonder why they're even there, ya know?

(and to wonder how soon they will be flying back home to their Starbucks)

Hopp

Grasshopper
  11/28/2016 17:16 EST

@ Windy
Thanks man, I appreciate it. I'm working on getting Shelly more bi.
Bi lingual I mean.. I don't need THAT headache.!!! lol

I'll be looking forward to mee Mrs Shadow for that coffee and we can NOT talk politics, jaja.

I appreciate your invites and I'm sorry I wasn't able to get into El Centro in time, but we will fix that, my friend. :)

Hopp

ecuadorjoe
  11/28/2016 18:23 EST

ecbound..the famous "Red neck Riviera" is Salinas. Our moderator here in Ecuador give it a name, she don't like us. She is OCEAN..

ecuadorjoe
  11/28/2016 18:26 EST

Rem.. you asked and I guess Susan asked I get my news from "Associated Depressed" aka AP.

OceanHideaway
  11/28/2016 20:00 EST

'My blood ran cold': Christiane Amanpour on Trump media comments
Renowned CNN foreign correspondent 'worried' by current climate for journalists in U.S.

Diana Swain · CBC News
November 26, 2016

Speaking to CBC News for this week's edition of The Investigators, Amanpour, who has reported extensively from Europe and the Middle East, suggested Trump's language is worryingly similar to that of leaders in non-democratic parts of the world, where journalists are routinely demonized, and in some cases even jailed for their work. "They target the press and set the press up as an opposition to the government, and they do it by subtly ratcheting up the accusations against the press

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/world/the-investigators-amanpour-1.3868441
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Donald Trump is now questioning the legitimacy of the election he won

“I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally,” Trump tweeted.

Updated by Ezra Klein@ezraklein Nov 27, 2016, 4:15pm EST

Donald J. Trump just undermined himself.

What he wanted to do was shut down the people asking for a recount. Then he sent this tweet.

If Democrats worry the votes were miscounted, and Trump himself believes that millions of people voted fraudulently, then it’s clear we need a recount to restore faith in the outcome of the election.

Meanwhile, it’s unnerving that the president-elect can’t restrain himself from making a bad situation worse on Twitter, or even hold himself to the logic of the argument he intended to make and the outcome he wanted to achieve.

Nov 27, 2016, 4:15pm EST

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/27/13758538/donald-trump-vote-illegally-tweet
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Rigged election: 87,000 people in Michigan supposedly voted, but not for President

By Bill Palmer | November 27, 2016


Even as Michigan prepares for a statewide recount to investigate irregularities and highly unlikely outcomes in its 2016 presidential election vote totals, chief among them may be a number that’s so bizarre it reads like a typo...

In other words, there was nothing on the ballot in Michigan that could have prompted 87,810 people to decide they needed to make the effort to show up and vote, even though they didn’t care enough about the presidential race to bother picking a candidate while they were in the voting booth. And because they would need to have voted in at least one race somewhere on the ballot for their vote to register at all, we’re supposed to believe that these people showed up, cast a vote in some downtick...

http://www.palmerreport.com/politics/rigged-election-87000-voters-in-michigan-supposedly-failed-to-vote-for-president/262/

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The Secret Agenda of a Facebook Quiz

By McKENZIE FUNKNOV. 19, 2016

How the Propaganda Machine works through Facebook. Direct Marketing. The darker side of dark posts.



Cambridge Analytica worked on the “Leave” side of the Brexit campaign. In the United States it takes only Republicans as clients: Senator Ted Cruz in the primaries, Mr. Trump in the general election. Cambridge is reportedly backed by Robert Mercer, a hedge fund billionaire and a major Republican donor; a key board member is Stephen K. Bannon, the head of Breitbart News who became Mr. Trump’s campaign chairman and is set to be his chief strategist in the White House.

...Because the United States lacks European-style restrictions on second- or thirdhand use of our data, and because our freedom-of-information laws give data brokers broad access to the intimate records kept by local and state governments, our lives are open books even without social media or personality quizzes...

Imagine the full capability of this kind of “psychographic” advertising. In future Republican campaigns, a pro-gun voter whose Ocean score ranks him high on neuroticism could see storm clouds and a threat: The Democrat wants to take his guns away. A separate pro-gun voter deemed agreeable and introverted might see an ad emphasizing tradition and community values, a father and son hunting together

In this election, dark posts were used to try to suppress the African-American vote. According to Bloomberg, the Trump campaign sent ads reminding certain selected black voters of Hillary Clinton’s infamous “super predator” line. It targeted Miami’s Little Haiti neighborhood with messages about the Clinton Foundation’s troubles in Haiti after the 2010 earthquake. Federal Election Commission rules are unclear when it comes to Facebook posts, but even if they do apply and the facts are skewed and the dog whistles loud, the already weakening power of social opprobrium is gone when no one else sees the ad you see — and no one else sees “I’m Donald Trump, and I approved this message.”

While Hillary Clinton spent more than $140 million on television spots, old-media experts scoffed at Trump’s lack of old-media ad buys. Instead, his campaign pumped its money into digital, especially Facebook. One day in August, it flooded the social network with 100,000 ad variations, so-called A/B testing on a biblical scale, surely more ads than could easily be vetted by human eyes for compliance with Facebook’s “community standards.”

Perhaps out of necessity, the Trump team was embracing a new-media lesson: It didn’t have to build everything from scratch. Mark Zuckerberg and others had already built the infrastructure the campaign needed to reach voters directly. When “Trump TV” went live on Facebook before and after the second debate it raked in $9 million in donations in 120 minutes.

In the immediate wake of Mr. Trump’s surprise election, so many polls and experts were so wrong that it became fashionable to declare that big data was dead. But it isn’t, not when its most obvious avatar, Facebook, was so crucial to victory.

On Monday, after a similar announcement from Google, Facebook said it would no longer allow fake-news websites to show ads, on their own sites, from Facebook’s ad network — a half-step that neither blocks what appears on your newsfeed nor affects how advertisers can microtarget users on the social network.

...If Mr. Zuckerberg takes seriously his oft-stated commitments to diversity and openness, he must grapple honestly with the fact that Facebook is no longer just a social network. It’s an advertising medium that’s now dangerously easy to weaponize.

A Trump administration is unlikely to enforce transparency about who is targeted by dark posts and other hidden political ads — or to ensure that politicians take meaningful ownership of what the ads say. But Facebook can.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/opinion/the-secret-agenda-of-a-facebook-quiz.html?_r=1

dumluk
  11/28/2016 21:02 EST

Hey Hopp, Im in your camp on that one hombre.....I didnt go for either one of the losers.......if you can safe call billionaires losers.........but in human terms, I dont rate either one of em as high as Crackhead Kenny on the border..........Now lets get back to the serious subject of good rum........You and Remmy both throw curve balls, and I always had a tuff time hittin curve balls.........Kraken ???......Cuentame mas porfa.........Im pleased that at least youre open minded enuff to look into some of these alternative sites like zerohedge, informationclearinghouse, globarresearch.ca.......and more...........sites like these are the future of news.........And news wholesalers like AP (Rockerfeller owned) and Reuters in Europe (Rothschild owned) are becoming dinasours mas y mas..........but almost all MSM news is derived from these news wholesalers...........and they are very polished and professional...........and deadly biased with a agenda........the very root of "fake news"........Man, Im surprised youve got time for all this chit when youre on your "luna de miel"........I would think you would have much ore interesting things to do and think about...........and yes, very good point.......nothing like gettin laid to relieve the tensions and make the whole world look a bit brighter.............did you realize on this politically correct site you cant even use a simple antiquie word like s&/t any more.......Thats how stupid its all becoming...............I had to go back and change it...........but you get the point..........

OceanHideaway
  11/28/2016 21:57 EST

Thank you for responding Ecuadorjoe

Assoicated Press is your choice for news, what is your opinion on this article?

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AP Top News
Trump drama rolls on: Disputes, falsehoods hit transition

NEW YORK (AP) — The drama, disputes and falsehoods that permeated Donald Trump's presidential campaign are now roiling his transition to the White House, forcing aides to defend his baseless assertions of illegal voting and sending internal fights spilling into public.
...

Trump has angrily denounced the recounts and now claims without evidence that he, not Clinton, would have won the popular vote if it hadn't been for "millions of people who voted illegally." On Twitter, he singled out Virginia, California and New Hampshire.

There has been no indication of widespread election tampering or voter fraud in those states or any others, and Trump aides struggled Monday to back up their boss' claim.

Spokesman Jason Miller said illegal voting was "an issue of concern." But the only evidence he raised was a 2014 news report and a study on voting irregularities conducted before the 2016 election.

...

His final tweets challenging the integrity of an election he won were reminiscent of his repeated, unsubstantiated assertions during the campaign that the contest might be rigged. Those previous comments sparked an outcry from both Clinton and some Republicans.

Clinton lawyer Marc Elias said the campaign has seen "no actionable evidence" of voting anomalies. But the campaign still plans to be involved in Stein's recount to ensure its interests are legally represented.

Trump narrowly won Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan. All three would need to flip to Clinton to upend the Republican's victory, and Clinton's team says Trump has a larger edge in all three states than has ever been overcome in a presidential recount.

___

Pace reported from Washington. AP writer Jon Lemire contributed to this report.

https://apnews.com/35f53fb8a65142d2a1c368b224f50bcd/Trump-charges,-without-evidence,-millions-voted-illegally
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OceanHideaway
  11/28/2016 23:04 EST

NYT publishes damning, deep look at Trump's commercial/presidential conflicts of interests, so Trump tweets crazy fake-vote conspiracy

CORY DOCTOROW / 3:38 PM SUN NOV 27, 2016

As George W Bush taught us: "fool me twice, we don't get fooled again."

Remember when Donald Trump's $25,000,000 fraud settlement was a one-day news cycle because we were all focusing on Trump's insane vendetta against Hamilton?

Well, today, Donald Trump responded to the New York Times's deep dive into his conflicts of interest -- even as a consensus is emerging among constitutional scholars that the exotic emoluments clause will require Trump to sell off much of his business empire -- by tweeting a series of bizarre, ghastly-fascinating conspiracy theories about alleged "millions of people who voted illegally."

OK, that's just bullsh!t.

There's going to be a recount. We'll find out what we find out. Even if it turns out -- as is likely -- that fraud and irregularities are small-scale and add up to too small a hill of beans to affect the election outcome, we should totally be auditing votes cast with electronic voting machines, in every election, both randomly and in close-run ballots.

But the real story this weekend is Trump's conflicts of interest, lavishly documented by the attentive Richard C. Paddock, Eric Lipton, Ellen Barry, Rod Nordland, Danny Hakim and Simon Romero of the New York Times.

* He has business interests with Jose E. B. Antonio, who is also Philippines dictator Rodrige Duterte's Special Envoy to the USA

* Similar conflicts potentially exist is some 20 known countries where the Trump organization has dealings

* Trump also has a long, undisclosed list of foreign creditors, potentially including sovereign wealth funds

* Trump has used his political campaign to curry favor with foreign leaders: after his businesses in Turkey were threatened as a result of his call for a ban on Muslims entering the USA, he stood up for Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's firing of 100,000 public servants and shuttering of 129 news agencies, rescuing his business interests in the process

The Times goes on to report, in detail on Trump's political and business conflicts in Brazil, India, Turkey, The Philippines, Ireland, Scotland, and around the world -- including filing a trademark on "The American Idea," among other trademarks, that (according to the application), Trump will use to link his global holdings to the office of the US President.

The Times story also includes interactive features and videos, and will reward your close scrutiny (unlike the fact-free accusation of three million fraudulent votes)....

https://boingboing.net/2016/11/27/nyt-publishes-damning-deep-lo.html
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Potential Conflicts Around the Globe for Trump, the Businessman President

By RICHARD C. PADDOCK, ERIC LIPTON, ELLEN BARRY, ROD NORDLAND, DANNY HAKIM and SIMON ROMERONOV. 26, 2016

MANILA — On Thanksgiving Day, a Philippine developer named Jose E. B. Antonio hosted a company anniversary bash at one of Manila’s poshest hotels. He had much to be thankful for.

In October, he had quietly been named a special envoy to the United States by the Philippine president, Rodrigo Duterte. Mr. Antonio was nearly finished building a $150 million tower in Manila’s financial district — a 57-story symbol of affluence and capitalism, which bluntly promotes itself with the slogan “Live Above the Rest.” And now his partner on the project, Donald J. Trump, had just been elected president of the United States.

After the election, Mr. Antonio flew to New York for a private meeting at Trump Tower with the president-elect’s children, who have been involved in the Manila project from the beginning, as have Mr. Antonio’s children. The Trumps and Antonios have other ventures in the works, including Trump-branded resorts in the Philippines, Mr. Antonio’s son Robbie Antonio said.

“We will continue to give you products that you can enjoy and be proud of,” the elder Mr. Antonio, one of the richest men in the Philippines, told the 500 friends, employees and customers gathered for his star-studded celebration in Manila.

Mr. Antonio’s combination of jobs — he is a business partner with Mr. Trump, while also representing the Philippines in its relationship with the United States and the president-elect — is hardly inconsequential, given some of the weighty issues on the diplomatic table.

Among them, Mr. Duterte has urged “a separation” from the United States and has called for American troops to exit the country in two years’ time. His antidrug crusade has resulted in the summary killings of thousands of suspected criminals without trial, prompting criticism from the Obama administration.

Situations like these are already leading some former government officials from both parties to ask if America’s reaction to events around the world could potentially be shaded, if only slightly, by the Trump family’s financial ties with foreign players. They worry, too, that in some countries those connections could compromise American efforts to criticize the corrupt intermingling of state power with vast business enterprises controlled by the political elite.

“It is uncharted territory, really in the history of the republic, as we have never had a president with such an empire both in the United States and overseas,” said Michael J. Green, who served on the National Security Council in the administration of George W. Bush, and before that at the Defense Department....

http://www..com/2016/11/26/us/politics/donald-trump-international-business.html

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nickspm
  11/28/2016 23:20 EST

Trump Wins Finally: 280 Electoral Votes.

Jill Stein Missed The Recount Deadline Last Monday. Oops!

The Best Part: This Real News Brought to You By Another One Of Those Pesky "FAKE NEWS" websites... LOL!

https://doomerdoug.wordpress.com/2016/11/28/jill-the-whore-fails-11-28-2016/

OceanHideaway
  11/28/2016 23:51 EST

I would seriously question the veracity of someone who publishes under the name of "doomer" Doug (aka Doug McIntosh)

You might also want to read up on what is a fake news site, such as Liberty Writers News which actually made up facts, figures and news stories and published them as legitimate news.

Very different than simply right wing or conspiracy blogs which is what you have published above. Educate yourself and get back to us when you can successfully distinguish the difference.

Good night NIck. And remember to shut off the lights and turn the heat down in your mom´s basement, she hates it when you forget to do that.

Grasshopper
  11/30/2016 05:02 EST

Hey DLuk,
Oh you're right, man, about having more interesting thing to do on my Honeymoon. Shelly and I went to Myrtle Beach right after the wedding last Wednesday (it is only a 3 1/2 hour drive from Charlotte) but we came back on Sunday. I think I made a few posts one night, but it was late and Shells was sleeping. I wouldn't be so disrespectful to her as to sit and talk on Facebook or on here during the day or anything.. Hell man, it took 7 years and 3 proposals/engagements for us to actually put boots on the ground and go forward and actually do it ! (we used to argue a whole lot..lol) ,,,and about the stupidest crap you could imagine, and then things would fall apart and the engagement would be off. We are both good people, but very different... and we're both Alpha types and stubborn as hell... so that in and of itself caused unnecessary conflict.

They say opposites attract, and i guess we are living, breathing proof that his can be true. I'm not a drug addict nor am I an alcoholic.. but, I like to smoke a joint every now and then, and to have a few beers with my friends. No harm in that - moderation is the key.

But, she is very anti drug and may have a drink, but never once have I seen the girl "drunk". (which was a refreshing thing for me, as my first wife DID drink too much)

(there will be a point to all this - I'm not attempting to write a biography here).

But, just as it can be true that opposites sometimes attract - it is also true that love conquers all... and we very much do love each other.. so we kept trying.

I have to say this.. the personal stories I may share here are all true. I am blessed to have had an interesting, fun and eventful life. The quest for happiness is a worthwhile and I know this. Roosevelt said that anything worth having requires effort, determination and sacrifice. That isn't a direct quote word for word, but that is how it goes, and I agree with it wholeheartedly.

So, while I was a long haired "freak" who rode a big Harley, had/have leather clad biker friends (with huge hearts and wonderful souls) and played hard rock in local circuits - she was a soccer mom type who watched way way too much Dr. Phil. For her, in her mind, if one took a percocet, then they were doomed to a life of drug abuse and only rehab would solve their problems.

At the same time, I was a disabled vet who had a couple of prescriptions for pain meds and anti anxiety medicine. After a stint in the Navy, and then the Army - and a couple of major bike wrecks - I had (have) a few serious chronic pain issues. I needed a my doctor AND his drugs to function actively.. to walk.. to sleep.

But Doc Phil irresponsibly parades folk who have real and life destroying addictions right into the living rooms of the American public, without any disclaimers that there ARE those who may need medications and are responsible exceptions. And Shells bought into the demonizing of any substance that is controlled as unacceptable, and without question a life destroyer. (often they are - but not absolutely) - many Americans function perfectly normally and responsibly with their treatments - while without anything to help them, have no quality of life worth mentioning. It truly is a fine line , however.

I used to jokingly say to my friends that I intended to write a book entitled "How Dr Phil Ruined My Life... lol.
...but I was serious about the premise, if not the actual publication.

So, there we were - two people in love with polar opposite viewpoints on that, (and several other things) ...trying to do the improbable (because I know nothing is impossible.. within reason anyway).

An actress (she has done 11 movies, worked in Showtime's "Homeland" and various commercials) who had led a sheltered life - with me.. a freak with a bike and a guitar and a wild streak a mile wide. Her, trying to drag me to the light, and me, trying to get her to step over to the dark side, and neither one willing to concede that we may not be right about everything.

An unlikely match, to say the least. So, naturally we were "on and off" more than any couple I personally had ever known. But, as hard as it was to be together, it was harder on us both to be apart. Luckily, 7 years of stubborn attempts changed us both.

She has lightened up while I have calmed down. There really is a middle ground where people can reach and coexist on - flourish even.

This is precisely why I lecture on here from time to time about how we are shooting ourselves in the foot when we condemn others who do not share our point of view, and that divisiveness may well be our downfall.

I know that we can all get along, (and I hate sounding like Rodney King when I say this).

But Shelly, (sorry, I will using my nickname for her) in my eyes was a square, (as i told Susan one day at her apartment) and a stick in the mud. While she used to call me an "over the top, narcissistic egomaniac."

Both labels were exaggerations.. but only slightly. What was worse, was that when we were "off" ..or split up, we both would battle depression.
She would wrap herself in her work and and role as a mother of two teenage daughters..

But, I would numb myself with an increasing amount of opiates. I allowed my pain clinic doctor to increase my dosages to levels that would have dropped 10 Elvis Presleys.

(as i also told Susan - I can be a self destructive asshole)

She told me I fit the demographic... and she wasn't wrong. Luckily, I didn't OD and die.. but probably came close more than once.

I had two saving graces, I guess. I am intelligent enough to understand that I was f*cking up,, and Shelly loved me enough to not totally write me off.

So, a year ago, Nov 6th of 2015 I quit. I was being prescribed, daily, 180mgs of morphine along with 150mgs of oxycodone - and I quit cold turkey after many years of the stuff. No rehab, no counciling.. just stopped. That was hell on earth, man. The withdrawals were the least of it. I have the resolve to go through that - it was the pain from so many injuries... and you see, after that extended period, my body was just no longer equipped to block pain anymore. It took well over half year before I did not feel as if a train had hit me, backed up, and parked itself right on my body. I had no natural endorphins any longer... none. Every nerve was raw, and it took a very long time to reset my system.

And I know why most junkies relapse. It is no joke and it is sad that doctors have fed Americans these pills like candy for so many years.

But, I didn't relapse once. (...may have mentioned that I'm stubborn?)
I didn't do it for Shelly - we were broken up at the time - I did it for myself... there was no one pressuring me, but me. And, in the end, I am my own harshest critic.

Shelly was elated, and head over heels wanting to support me - but too naive to understand that I wasn't going to simply "reset" and be a different Hopper. She wanted me to go into treatment.. spend a month in rehab, get a sponsor, follow a 12 step program. You know, all of the things one does to make a life change.

Again, thank you Dr. Phil... you pampas bastard. I'm not knocking counseling and nor 12 step programs out of hand, as I am sure it has saved many people. But that wasn't for me - primarily because I disagreed with 7 out of their 12 steps... the 1st one being that one has to admit that they are powerless, and cannot do it alone.. turn yourself over to a higher power. That runs against my very makeup. I will never say that I am powerless - period. And a higher power?

I AM my own God.. so there is a slight flaw in that whole idea...

i may have mentioned something about being a narcissistic egomaniac? Yeah, well... that whole experience humbled me just a little bit. I mean, I still am one I suppose - I just realize now that it has it's downsides.

But, here we are, I am clean of the pain pills and know that I always will be. Oh, I am in constant pain, but it isn't the emotional pain that I used to go through every time I would lose my soulmate. Physical pain is just a walk in the park compared to empty heartache - or as I told Sue about pain, from when I broke my ankle in Monanita in September, "ain't no thang but a chicken wang, hon"

So, no matter what our differences.. no matter how opposite we all are from another... we all really are capable of getting along.

Shelly and I finally, after 3/4 of a decade, have met each other half way. We worked together in April on a mini series with Helen Hunt and Richard Dreyfuss, called "Shots Fired" ...which will air on FOX in 2017.. And we trust each other totally now.

I came back to Ecuador, by myself for 3 months like usual.. and I took mother Ayahausca several times - gained much needed insights to my issues of stubbornness and refusals, (or inability) to rely on and trust in others - and did so with her blessing, (oddly enough).

...and, we married last week. So, if there is hope for two knuckheads like us - then there ABSOLUTELY is hope for us all when our differences are simply which political scumpie we choose to back.

I actually am writing a book - one I have been working on for over 3 years. But it is not about Doc Phil at all. I had no idea how the ending would go until recently... not a clue. But now, I am finally able to finish the damn thing...lol.

God knows I we have created enough material for me to work with. It's entitled, "Surviving Shelly", lol.

I'm just glad it has the ending I had hoped for ;)

So, if I tell Dumluk to "shut the f*ck up" on here, I hope everyone realizes that I hope that he never does, and that I'd drink The Kraken with him anytime.

Hopper

windshadow
  11/30/2016 06:20 EST

Hopp,
Good luck my friend. Watch out for the evil one to raise its head on or about every 28 days. Can test the will of the best!

kmoriarty45
  11/30/2016 07:31 EST

Hopper,
Well said, amigo, well said. Who says ya can't teach an old dog new tricks ?
I wish you all the joy and happiness and fulfillment with Shelly. If it is even a fraction of what I found with my wife, Maite, then you are indeed a very lucky man !
And yes, I know ALL ABOUT opposites attracting ! Toss in the occasional language communication problems and you could have been talking about us - although, thankfully, the gods of pain and agony, have so far, left me the hell alone, I haven't had the battles with demons that you've had to endure. I applaud you, buddy.
Felicitations and best wishes to you both !
.P.S. You owe me an email.

withoutego
  11/30/2016 09:50 EST

WS

Can you use your influence with Susan to find out why (and then fix) the html on this site?

The text of posts does not wrap (CR) when it encounters the column of adverts on the right side. That column is fixed width so it shouldn't be that difficult. The text goes under that right column for a couple of miles then wraps. Can't easily read the posts.

It is possible to highlight the text (even the obscured part) then copy and paste into notepad in order to read it.

Anyone else have this problem?

anyone want to suggest I get a life and avoid this site alltogether ?

This is the electronic equivalent of hanging out on the sidewalk in front of Charlies in Vilcabamba nursing a beer all afternoon. I do both.

sinego

Grasshopper
  11/30/2016 10:39 EST

@KM45

Thanks Kev, I appreciate that man. I do hope we can be as blessed as you and Maite are. Also appreciate that generous offer to crash you sent a while back.

Yeah, drop me a line and catch me up on what you guys have been up to, brother. I wish you both a great holiday season and a safe one.
...I'll talk with you off site mi hermano..
Be safe, be well and give that wonderful lady my best!

Hopp

Grasshopper
  11/30/2016 10:48 EST

@Sin

hahahhaaa.. man, great analogy.

but please.. stay and hang. You've got a life..lol

I hate that you were arriving when I was leaving. And man, you slipped out and avoided a lot snow that the NorthEast is getting now.

I slipped out of NC right a it was getting ridiculously hot - 106 or so a lot of days (or so my friends would tell me.
But I got back here the second week of Oct, and it was really comfortable. I'm glad

Grasshopper
  11/30/2016 10:52 EST

@Sin

hahahhaaa.. man, great analogy.

but please.. stay and hang. You've got a life..lol

I hate that you were arriving when I was leaving. And man, you slipped out and avoided a lot snow that the NorthEast is getting now.

I slipped out of NC right a it was getting ridiculously hot - 106 or so a lot of days (or so my friends would tell me.
But I got back here the second week of Oct, and it was really comfortable. I'm glad I dodged that heatwave.

..never been to Maine, but want to go and see the lobster boats some day.. So, I've never experienced one of your Maine winters, but I am going to assume it's colder than a well diggers ass.. brrr

Hopp

DDR
  11/30/2016 11:44 EST

Trump being elected defied almost 100% of the eggsperts ;)

His fiscal plans likely won't fly.Notice interest rates ticking up?As the debt (fed) doubled in the last 8 yrs. one would have to have grown the economy about 6% yearly compounded. Thus the fiscal limits to any proposed stimulus plans.

This election totally made the "in the know" dorks look like fools.Even Trump didn't think he'd win.

Actually,most SA countries carry less debt to GDP than the USA.At least in foreign loans in hard currencies.

PACountryBoy
  11/30/2016 16:03 EST

DDE....How do you know that Trump didn't think he would win? Did he tell you that? Must be interesting to know a guy like that. Did he offer to you a cabinet position yet? : >))))

dumluk
  11/30/2016 20:05 EST

I think that in the beginning he probably didnt think he would win........prolly didnt think he would win even win the nomination.....But then his ego took over, jumped into the drivers , shifted into overdrive, and convinced itself that he actually could and would....Remember when he stated, that "this election will be Brexit times 10"? And the next thing ya know Nigel Farage is jumping across the Atlantic to shake hands and forge alliances with his Brexit [email protected] of luck to you and your lady hombre......I wish you all the best, and I am always ready to sit and talk story and drink rum, regardless of whether I have ever heard of it or not.....Gotta try em all.........I am a lover of diversity.......

ecuadorjoe
  11/30/2016 21:41 EST

dum..Trump did not elect himself, the American people did. What did she think???

dumluk
  12/1/2016 12:10 EST

@EcJoe......whos she? The American people who have been asleep at the wheel for waaaay tooooo looong.......really didnt have anybody to vote for, only against.......thats why almost 50% of us sat it out........I take no responsibility for what this nutcase will do.........Ecuador, despite its high taxes looks better and better........and my Dutch buddy who is stuck here in Panama cuz of his daughter says he even likes Peru better..........That will be a new thread for those who have lived in both countries.........

ecuadorjoe
  12/1/2016 12:54 EST

du..she is Hilarious aka Hillary..lol.

ecbound
  12/1/2016 14:47 EST

ECjoe, Ah, I see. No, I'm headed to Cuenca, at least as a starting point.

ecbound
  12/1/2016 14:52 EST

ECJoe, have you heard anything about Julien Assange? I hear no one has heard anything from him in over a month and someone reported seeing some type of police force in all black taking him out of the EC Embassy in London. I heard President Correa was instrumental in the whole thing. I hope that's not true.

remoore2001
  12/1/2016 15:48 EST

Assange spoke to reporters today from the embassy about a favorable UN ruling he received. Just more internet B/S.

ecuadorjoe
  12/1/2016 17:49 EST

ecb.. I am in Texas now visiting my family. So, no idea.

windshadow
  12/1/2016 18:02 EST

ECbound,
Funny you should ask. Just had a beer with him in Salinas. Bad sunburn too!

ecbound
  12/1/2016 19:31 EST

Remote, I saw that video a couple weeks ago, it's old. Was out on the terrace of the embassy with the media all around?

ecuadorjoe
  12/1/2016 19:34 EST

ecb.. Actually I think I have seen it a couple moths ago.

remoore2001
  12/1/2016 21:24 EST

Actually it was just today and not on a balcony. The UN ruled today that Assange was being detained illegally by Great Britain. Great Britain had argued that Assange was not being detained, but was staying in the embassy of his own free will. The UN committee said he was being detained because if he left he would be extradited to another country who had actually filed no charges against him. This happened today and has nothing to do with his full on news conference held from the balcony

remoore2001
  12/1/2016 21:31 EST

You all make me laugh. You act like the internet is the news to end all, yet you can't go to google and type in Assange news today. it's that simple. The news came out 21 hrs ago

remoore2001
  12/1/2016 21:45 EST

Wind, did he still wear the black hood over his head that he had on when the police dragged him out of the embassy. I heard Correa said he had to wear it for the next 3 years. And what kind of beer did he have, pilsiner, club or brahma?

RoyalPayne
  12/1/2016 22:36 EST

The UN is out of control. I hope his tripwire was pulled.

DDR
  12/2/2016 00:16 EST

OH the USA had a recent credit down grade.Not too mention there are fewer people paying into FICA than in 2000 and
only a few more working than 2007.

Monetizing the debt at one point 70% isn't been sound economic practice
for as long as recorded.

Share buy backs are mostly responsible due to fewer outstanding shares to profit or revenues ratio.

Thus, per share prices rise.I'd say the FedRes got the US into the lurch and their luck is about to run out.

Look at debt.Bush got $6 trillion
left with $10 trillion.Obama $10 tril left 20 trillion.Reagan Debt GDP ratio entered 35% left about 50%.Obama got about 70% when Bush left,about 107% debt/GDP when he retires in 2017.

These are approximate stats.Most economic people agree.Payoff to dollar ratio was once 3:1 ,now thirty cents to each dollar of debt.Thus, the debt is counter productive at this point.

The truth is the US govt is insolvent.
Or at least was in the recent past when noone would buy their debt,well about 70% of it ;) anyway.
So at that time 70% insolvent.

Medicair is alreadt insolvent and technically so is SocSec.

ecbound
  12/2/2016 01:14 EST

Remoore, Do you have a link for that video, because in the one I saw a week or two again, he was announcing the UN decision, but on the balcony.

ecbound
  12/2/2016 01:14 EST

Remoore, Do you have a link for that video, because in the one I saw a week or two again, he was announcing the UN decision, but on the balcony.

cristos7
  12/2/2016 01:23 EST

@ Sin - yes, the non-wrapping text issue seems to be only on this thread, perhaps because it has grown so long it has unwound? Certainly most of the posters are either too wound up or hopelessly unwound, so maybe that's the reason. @ Hopper - wow, great sharing:) I truly look forward to meeting you and wish you - and your Lil' Lady;~) - all the best of fortune. You both fought so hard to get where you are, you should be able to weather the storms which lie ahead. Just make sure to have 'safe' words and neutral corners sans sharp or heavy objects at hand;~O Feliz Navidad!!!

windshadow
  12/2/2016 07:21 EST

Remoore,
Uh, Uh, Uh, yes! That is a big 10/4. Hood was still there and we made the Fosters really fly. (: Told him to buy a Panama hat though, he was kind of sticking out in the crowd.

DDR
  12/2/2016 13:36 EST

Hillary picks up one vote in Wisconsin
recount!Jill Stein is booted from Green Party (maybe).
If anything, Trump should ask for Cali recount.

OceanHideaway
  12/2/2016 22:26 EST

I´ll give you folks a hand on the other side of the aisle:

Here is the Associated Press report:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-3987042/UN-panel-WikiLeaks-Assange-victim-arbitrary-detention.html

An interesting point to make is that Assange is now the hero of the "alt-right" white supremacist movement.

Associated Press wrote this article discussing that point.:

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2016/11/15/julian-assange-now-the-hero-of-the-alt-right-dimanno.html

Recently the Associated Press took a strong stand on the representation of the "alt-right" in journalistic writing. the AP is the standard used by journalists in reporting worldwide. It is, in fact, the definitive source on English written journalism.

https://blog.ap.org/behind-the-news/writing-about-the-alt-right

Below is a snippet of the entire blog article:

"The “alt-right” or “alternative right” is a name currently embraced by some white supremacists and white nationalists to refer to themselves and their ideology, which emphasizes preserving and protecting the white race in the United States in addition to, or over, other traditional conservative positions such as limited government, low taxes and strict law-and-order.

The movement has been described as a mix of racism, white nationalism, and populism....

The movement criticizes “multiculturalism” and more rights for non-whites, women, Jews, Muslims, gays, immigrants and other minorities. Its members reject the American democratic ideal that all should have equality under the law regardless of creed, gender, ethnic origin or race.

“Alt-right” (quotation marks, hyphen and lower case) may be used in quotes or modified as in the “self-described” or “so-called alt-right” in stories discussing what the movement says about itself.

Avoid using the term generically and without definition, however, because it is not well known and the term may exist primarily as a public-relations device to make its supporters’ actual beliefs less clear and more acceptable to a broader audience. In the past, we have called such beliefs racist, neo-Nazi or white supremacist..."

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And there you go folks, a brief catch up on Julian Assange and why some of our posters are especially interested in how he is doing.

Before I press enter, many of you might recall when Wikileaks (that would be Assange) blasted Hillary Clinton in October for paid professional speaker´s fees speaking before Goldman Sachs employees.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/15/politics/wikileaks-hillary-clinton-goldman-sachs-speeches/

I am curious what those folks who demonized Hillary Clinton over this feel about President Elect Trumps decision to place a former Goldman Sachs banker as Treasury Secretary of the United States.

Does anyone want to take this query?

standg
  12/3/2016 11:34 EST

Mob rule? Are you really that stupid? Apparently if you still believe that Hillary is guilty of something in the face of all the evidence to the contrary. You noticed how trump backed off it once he got elected. He knew she wasn't guilty of anything, but he repeated it enough that the feeble minded believed him rather than find out for themselves - you got played - by a master manipulator. The most dishonest person to ever run for office. Selection by the majority is the essence of democracy. Find someone who knows how to read and have them look it up for you.

standg
  12/3/2016 11:34 EST

Mob rule? Are you really that stupid? Apparently if you still believe that Hillary is guilty of something in the face of all the evidence to the contrary. You noticed how trump backed off it once he got elected. He knew she wasn't guilty of anything, but he repeated it enough that the feeble minded believed him rather than find out for themselves - you got played - by a master manipulator. The most dishonest person to ever run for office. Selection by the majority is the essence of democracy. Find someone who knows how to read and have them look it up for you.

DDR
  12/3/2016 13:11 EST

Off hand I'd say having classified or above material on a personal comp is a violation of the law.

What about that don't you understand?

standg
  12/3/2016 15:40 EST

They didn't prosecute Colin Powell when he did it (as you may know one of the hacked emails was from Powell on her second day in office suggesting she use a private server) nor did they prosecute Condoleeza Rice. They both complained that the emails on their private servers that were labeled classified after the fact (like Hilary's) saying they were being over classified. Do you really believe that the republican congress wouldn't charge her if they could? Nine hearings on Benghazi - Does the Secretary of State review the staffing of embassies? When the republican director of the FBI couldn't find any crime he did the next best thing by smearing her. I think they may nail her for the assassination of JFK, or kidnapping the LIndbergh baby - or Perhaps it is true that the Donald has sex with small farm animals... that's what I heard. terrible, horrible, he's going to jail for sure. Didn't he nail his daughter too? terrible, lock him up!

ecuadorjoe
  12/3/2016 16:03 EST

Stan..Shut up. your party lost. Very boring.

ecuadorjoe
  12/3/2016 16:09 EST

Stan.. Nobody is that stupid, only you. You lost the elections. Go to Canada or Hollywood.

ecuadorjoe
  12/3/2016 16:37 EST

Stan.. you lost the election. Shut up stupid.

OceanHideaway
  12/3/2016 22:35 EST

Offhand... I would concurr with DDR!

A fact which the Trump Administration fails to recall as they vet Petraeus for Secretary of State:

Petraeus needs to notify his probation officer if he appointed secretary of state

Former CIA director and retired general, David Petraeus, will have 2 hours to notify his probation officer if he is chosen as President-elect Donald Trump's secretary of state. Petraeus would also require a pardon from the incoming president for his misdemeanour charge of mishandling classified information, for which he is serving a two-year probation sentence.

According to the terms of Petraeus' sentence, his probation officer has the right to search his personal and office computer and must be notified before Petraeus travels from North Carolina. New York Magazine noted that unless his probation officer has security clearance, that arrangement would not work.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/petraeus-needs-notify-his-probation-officer-if-he-appointed-secretary-state-1594470

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You fail to recall that Hillary Clinton was exonerated ...twice...by the FBI so the point you are making as concerns her viability is moot.

OceanHideaway
  12/4/2016 00:14 EST

No, the Pennsylvania recount effort isn’t “over.” Yes, the mainstream media is lying to you.

By Bill Palmer | December 3, 2016

Since the recount effort in three states got underway last week, the major media have afforded it virtually no coverage. Even as the Wisconsin recount enters its third day and numerous inconsistencies are being documented, the mainstream media has remained silent. After the Michigan elections board approved the recount go-ahead, nary a peep. Now the major media outlets are finally talking about the Pennsylvania recount effort, but only to report that it’s now “over” – which is not the case.

What actually happened today is that in a desperate last ditch attempt at preventing the recount, the State of Pennsylvania suddenly invented a million dollar bond that third party candidate Jill Stein would have needed to immediately pay for. This came after the state of Wisconsin had surreptitiously increased its own recount price tag from $1.1 million to $3.8 million, for the rather transparent purpose of trying to bankrupt Stein’s recount effort.

Stein had raised millions of dollars, but with so much of that having been eaten up already by Wisconsin’s sudden price hike and the attorney fees required to fight fierce court battles against all three non-cooperating states, it turns out she didn’t have the $1 million cash on hand today to cover Pennsylvania’s sudden ransom demand. Thus she was forced to withdraw her court petition for a Pennsylvania recount. That doesn’t mean it’s over, of course, only that there is now another legal hurdle to fight.

In fact her next step is to fight for precinct by precinct recounts in Pennsylvania until the vote totals have been sufficiently corrected and revised to drop Donald Trump’s lead in the state from the current 0.8% mark to the 0.5% mark, which in turn would trigger an automatic statewide recount under Pennsylvania state law. So how many mainstream major media outlets are correctly reporting that the PA recount effort is now continuing with a new strategy? There don’t appear to be any. (Note: CNN mentioned the precinct by precinct count)

It would be one thing for the major media outlets to ignore the recount effort because they simply decided it wasn’t newsworthy. But after spending the past week largely pretending the recount effort wasn’t happening, these same major media outlets are now racing to report headlines which falsely claim the Pennsylvania recount effort is over. In other words, they didn’t want the public to know about that the recounts were even happening, but now they suddenly want to make the public believe that the recounts are “over.” The mainstream media agenda here isn’t entirely decipherable, but it is entirely unacceptable.

http://www.palmerreport.com/politics/no-pennsylvania-recount-effort-isnt-yes-mainstream-media-lying/359/

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SO while the recount is not at this time Statewide in Pennsylvania due to the inability to pay a Million Dollar Bond, the vote recount is continuing in PA on a precinct by precint level.

Currently Donald Trump’s lead in the state is 0.8%.

To reach the mark for an AUTOMATIC statewide recount in Pennsylvania without the need for a Million Dollar Security bond, the lead needs to be diminished by just over... 0.3%

The difference between the two candidates came down to about 54,000 votes

...that is a little over 27,000 votes or equivalent to the number of folks that fill a high school football stadium in middle America.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._stadiums_by_capacity

So what exactly is the purpose of the recount anyway?

Election recounts will often result in changes in contest tallies. Errors can be found or introduced from human factors, such as transcription errors, or machine errors, such as misreads of paper ballots. Alternately tallies may change because of a reinterpretation of voter intent.

It verifies the sanctity of the voting process.

It confirms that all votes cast have in fact been counted.

Keep in mind that logically, we can only review this sytem on a nationwide level after a Presidential Election. This is an opportunity for Democracy to check on itself.

Keep in mind also that in fact discrepancies have been discovered: tampering with machines in Wisconsin, calculation errors in favor of the winner in Wisconsin blank ballots in Michigan. There is cause in these states, so far, to trigger concern over the entire process.

What should concern people at this point is the very fact that the president-elect, while working actively against the recount, has himself claimed that there was rampant fraud in the voting process.

This claim in and of itself is startling to say the least.

How a dubious tweet about illegal votes found its way to Trump's megaphone

"An obscure Republican official traced as the source of an evidence-free claim that ‘millions’ illegally voted says in an interview he has received threats and abuse"

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/01/how-a-dubious-tweet-about-illegal-votes-found-its-way-to-trumps-megaphone

ecbound
  12/4/2016 01:07 EST

OH, Yes, I am concerned about Assange. He risked his life to expose massive government corruption to the American people. To me, that makes him a hero. And, I think he's in danger. No, I don't think I'm an alt-right person, but I can't be sure because the word seems to have different meanings to different people. Of course, the corporate media who will say anything to malign Trump and his supporters, say it means you are a racist and white supremacist, or a white nationalist. And, I'm sure many of those types do consider themselves to be a part of the alt-right. However, even the biased AP article you quoted, says in reference to the term, that it's "embraced by SOME white supremacists and white nationalists.". The few people I've heard use this term to describe themselves, were populists and nationalists (which is worlds apart from WHITE nationalists). I hear many of you on here speak so highly of the Ecuadorian people, and being very defensive on their behalf against expats who might come there to take advantage of Ecuador's generosity, or who might take advantage of programs meant to help Ecuadorians, or who might want to take jobs from them. I'm always touched by that devotion. But, I wonder why US citizens (of all races, ethnicities, religions, etc.) aren't allowed to express that same desire to protect Americans in these same ways without being called racist. Why is it perfectly acceptable and expected for other countries to put their citizens needs first, but when Americans want that, they're horrible? The only thing I can think of, is it's because those who feel this way believe that America is so much better off, that it's selfish for them to not share. Perhaps that's because the people who feel this way, tend to be well off. But, the latest census Bureau report said 48% of Americans struggle financially. Close to that same amount are on food stamps. We're $19 trillion in debt, and many experts say the social security most of us have paid into our whole lives, won't be around for many of us. I understand that to whom much is given, much is expected. But, the US has a long history of giving to everyone, and helping everyone, so why should we suddenly be looked down upon for wanting to help our many diverse citizens at a time when things are rough for us?
By the way, I'm not a racist, and I'm not a conservative. (And, I no longer believe the two are synonymous). I've always been a liberal, from a long line of liberals. But, once you experience government control personally, you look at things with new eyes. And, boy did I get an eyeful during this campaign! Now, I consider myself an independent, and an anti-establishment populist. The establishment (on both sides of the aisle) are frighteningly corrupt, and the corporate media are like an extension of the establishment, filling people's heads with lies and half-truths to keep that establishment in control. I get that that sounds like a conspiracy theory. I used to think so too. But, there is so much government documentation available online to support the theory, if you are open to looking at it. But, my advice to anyone who is unwilling to look, is "Good for you! Ignorance is bliss, so go enjoy your life.". And, I really mean that. I was happier and more at peace when I believed everything I heard from the media, and didn't believe it if they didn't say it.

ecuadorjoe
  12/4/2016 08:22 EST

OH...Sorry but I disagree with your opinion. The Jewish lady said it is over because she already made more money this time than during the elections when she won 1% of the vote. Your party and candidate were rejected by the American people.

remoore2001
  12/4/2016 09:16 EST

I don't think you're going to find that many what you would consider rich expatriates living in Ecuador.

ecuadorjoe
  12/4/2016 09:50 EST

ecb,,Here is a quote from STEIN in AP. Stein also said the state's election law and recount process raise questions about due process and whether fundamental democratic rights are protected." Al Gore said the same thing? I just quickly checked and can not find this in the Constitution of the U.S.

remoore2001
  12/4/2016 09:55 EST

Ecbound, you sound like you might need some good old fashion bud so you can settle down. I'm not sure what part of the country you live in, but most of us have known about gov't corruption for many years. Your Pollyanna attitude before this election is amazing. Have you been locked away.
For the majority of folks this election is nothing different except for a corrupt businessman won instead of corrupt politician. Have you not seen who the cabinet appts are. Nothings changed.
The other thing you talk about is how expats here sometimes don't feel positive about taking what the gov't of Ecuador offers because we haven't contributed. The difference is most expats are retired and beyond their years of working and paying into income tax and other social programs. Most immigrants to the US are of working age and will contribute for many years to come whether they are there legally or illegally.
Stating that you are not a racist raises little red flags for me. Are you going to tell us next that the proof is you have Mexican or black friends, why bring it up at all.
As someone who it seems has been through a few more elections than you: My advice is, chill out. There will be another one in four yrs and it will be just as nasty and divisive but you will get through it. And not much will change for you personally.
Oh yes, gov't as a whole is corrupt no matter where you live and has been since the first 10 cavemen got together and decided who was boss.

PACountryBoy
  12/4/2016 10:45 EST

STAN.... It's like a football game: The team with the most yards doesn't necessarily win. Stuck it up, Buttercup. She lost....and believe me, the investigations WILL continue and she will be found guilty. : >)))))

PACountryBoy
  12/4/2016 10:51 EST

STAN....You are one sick "mutha". I am surprised that "the moderator" allowed your post. PLS seek help. I'm bad but your posts are starting to go further and further over the edge.

windshadow
  12/4/2016 11:01 EST

I am happy to say, as reported earlier, I am a much happier person being neither a republican or a democrat! Both leave a horrible taste! Try being an American (as people from USA seem to say without thought of the continents of the Americas). Being a free thinking person without having to drink the propaganda of one or the other is like having a great bowel movement. That being said, possibly, we can see the good and bad of both and seek change that benefits the masses.

standg
  12/4/2016 14:27 EST

Shut up stupid... what an erudite comeback. What high school did you drop out of? Perhaps you should have gone with "na na na nah." I guess it is obvious who the stupid one is (perhaps not as obvious to the stupid one, so here is a hint - it is you).

ecuadorjoe
  12/4/2016 15:21 EST

Stan was my dishwasher repair man, much smarter than you buba,,

ecuadorjoe
  12/4/2016 15:33 EST

Stan.. I said to you look in the mirror and read your posts stupid.

ecbound
  12/4/2016 19:56 EST

Remoore, My post was in reply to Ocean's post of the AP article saying that Assange is a member of the alt-riight, and that the alt-riight people, in some cases, are white supremacists and white nationalists and racists. And, more specifically, to her statement:

"And there you go folks, a brief catch up on Julian Assange and why some of our posters are especially interested in how he is doing."

Perhaps I was feeling somewhat defensive, but it sounded like she was suggesting that those of us who expressed concern about Assange were, therefore, alt-riight, and maybe racists. Since I was the one who brought Assange up to EcJoe because I'm worried about him, I guess I felt I needed to explain my relationship to racism and the alt-riight.

By the way, I know government and corruption go hand in hand, and have for a very long time. I was referring more specifically to some of the things discussed about the current establishment (but I broaden it to include neocons from both parties), that some on here consider to be conspiracy theories. My point, which I guess wasn't explained properly, is that these conspiracies have a lot of government documentation to prove their existence, and those who blow them off as "conspiracy theories," might be doing so because they're hearing it's not true by the lying corporate media.

OceanHideaway
  12/5/2016 08:42 EST

From the Associated Press...for those who are unaware (and we have a few) --

Green Party switches strategy in Pennsylvania recount bid

By MARC LEVY | Dec. 4, 2016 12:29 AM EST

HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — A Green Party-backed campaign changed its strategy to force a statewide recount of Pennsylvania's Nov. 8 presidential election, won by Republican Donald Trump, and said late Saturday night that it will seek help in the federal courts, rather than the state courts.

The announcement that it would seek an emergency federal court order on Monday for a recount came hours after it dropped a case in the state courts.

"Make no mistake — the Stein campaign will continue to fight for a statewide recount in Pennsylvania," recount campaign lawyer Jonathan Abady said in a statement issued around 11:30 p.m. "We are committed to this fight to protect the civil and voting rights of all Americans."

In the statement, Abady said barriers to a recount in Pennsylvania are pervasive and the state court system is ill-equipped to address the problem.

Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein has framed the campaign as an effort to explore whether voting machines and systems had been hacked and the election result manipulated. Stein's lawyers, however, had offered no evidence of hacking in Pennsylvania's election, and the state Republican Party and Trump had asked the court to dismiss the state court case.

The decision came two days before a state court hearing was scheduled in the case. Saturday's court filing to withdraw the case said the Green Party-backed voters who filed it "are regular citizens of ordinary means" and cannot afford the $1 million bond ordered by the court by 5 p.m. Monday. Green Party-backed efforts to force recounts and analyze election software in scattered precincts were continuing.

The case in Pennsylvania court has been part of an effort spearheaded by Stein to force recounts in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, three states with a history of backing Democrats for president that were narrowly and unexpectedly won by Trump over Democrat Hillary Clinton.

A recount began Thursday in Wisconsin, while a recount could begin next week in Michigan. Trump's victory in Pennsylvania was particularly stunning: the state's fifth-most electoral votes are a key stepping stone to the White House, and no Republican presidential candidate had captured the state since 1988.

Stein had said the purpose of Pennsylvania's recount was to ensure "our votes are safe and secure," considering hackers' probing of election targets in other states and hackers' accessing of the emails of the Democratic National Committee and several Clinton staffers. U.S. security officials have said they believe Russian hackers orchestrated the email hacks, something Russia has denied.

They have sought unsuccessfully in recent days to get various counties to allow a forensic examination of their election system software.

Lawyers for Trump and the state Republican Party argued there was no evidence, or even an allegation, that tampering with Pennsylvania's voting systems had occurred. Further, Pennsylvania law does not allow a court-ordered recount, they argued, and a lawyer for the Green Party had acknowledged that the effort was without precedent in Pennsylvania.

The case also had threatened Pennsylvania's ability to certify its presidential electors by the Dec. 13 federal deadline, Republican lawyers argued.

On Saturday, a GOP lawyer, Lawrence Tabas, said the case had been meant "solely for purposes to delay the Electoral College vote in Pennsylvania for President-Elect Trump."

The state's top elections official, Secretary of State Pedro Cortes, a Democrat, has said there was no evidence of any sort of cyberattacks or irregularities in the election. Any recount would change few votes, Cortes predicted.

As of Friday, Trump's margin of victory in Pennsylvania was 49,000, or less than 1 percent, out of 6 million votes cast, according to state election officials. Final counts were outstanding in some counties, including heavily populated Allegheny County, but state and county officials did not expect any outstanding uncounted votes to change the outcome of the presidential election in Pennsylvania.

Pennsylvania's automatic statewide recount trigger is 0.5 percent. Stein drew less than 1 percent of the votes cast.

http://elections.ap.org/content/green-party-switches-strategy-pennsylvania-recount-bid

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As of this weekend the difference stood at 0.8 in favor of Trump.

To drop below the threshold for an automatic recount, Stein needs to find only 27,000 votes in favor of Clinton.

Considering what has been discovered so far, that shouldn´t be too difficult.

In Wisconsin alone fraud and illegal ballots and breaking seals on ballot boxes have addedd thousands upon thousands of votes that were not counted before. Republicans have been found in some parts of Wisconsin hiding ballots and double entering Trump ballots., And a mis calculation that occurred in a number of Wisconsin precincts has been claimed by party Republicans to be due to "modems" although anyone who has worked with a computer for any lenght of time knows this just doesn´t hold up.

Yes there was fraud in this election, but it wasn´t by the Democrats.

As for Ecbound... your comments of questioning why "nationalism" is a bad thing takes the term out of the contet it is being presented. But then your response clearly places inot the group of folks who actually would supprt this neo-facist, enophobic, homophobic, anti feminist and anti-semitic/anti Muslim group.

So you know it was not directed at you per sé, but towards ohers who are more vocal on this group. Then again, birds of a feather and so forth.



And finally... Alec Baldwin killed it last night! SNLs opening was great...on point...and pure satire. Like a dog whistle the Twit in Chief responded as epected with another set of posts that truly

All I can tell you folks is you have been so played.

https://trumpgrets.tumblr.com/

ecuadorjoe
  12/5/2016 11:52 EST

Part 2. For OH
In Michigan, a federal judge ordered a recount of presidential ballots to begin at 12 p.m. ET (1700 GMT) on Monday and directed that the state complete the process by a Dec. 13 federal deadline.
U.S. District Court Judge Mark Goldsmith issued the written order early on Monday after a Sunday night hearing in federal court in the Eastern District of Michigan's Southern Division.
Goldsmith ordered that, once started, the recount "must continue until further order of this court." The recount was ordered two days ahead of the two-day waiting period the state had planned to observe from Wednesday.
In his ruling, Goldsmith wrote that "budgetary concerns are not sufficiently significant to risk the disenfranchisement of Michigan's nearly 5 million voters."
The Michigan Secretary of State's Office said on Twitter it had received Goldsmith's order and was reviewing it and coordinating with the state's 83 counties.
Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin bucked their history of supporting Democrats and handed Trump, a Republican, narrow wins that ultimately gave him victory over Democratic rival Hillary Clinton.
Michigan Attorney General Bill Schuette, a Republican, filed a lawsuit on Friday to halt the requested recount in the state, which Trump won with a margin of roughly 10,700 votes.
Wisconsin's recount began last week.
The presidential race is decided by the Electoral College, or a tally of wins from the state-by-state contests, rather than by the popular national vote. Federal law requires states to resolve disputes over the appointment of electors by Dec. 13.
Trump surpassed the 270 electoral votes needed to win, with 306 electoral votes, and the recount would have to flip the result to Clinton in all three states to change the overall result. In the popular vote, Clinton had a margin of more than 2.5 million votes over Trump, the Cook Political Report said.
Stein, who garnered only about 1 percent of the vote, has said the recount campaign is not targeted at Trump or Clinton.
(Reporting by Chris Michaud and David Ingram; Editing by Paul Tait and Howard Goller)

ecuadorjoe
  12/5/2016 11:57 EST

OH..From Reuters...for those who are unaware (and we have a few) ?
Please read, what difference does make it now. You and your party lost. Sorry 2 parts to digest it easier.

ecuadorjoe
  12/5/2016 11:59 EST

OH, Sorry what does it matter now?

windshadow
  12/5/2016 12:12 EST

I wish Jill Stein would spend as much time and money trying to help improve the SSI recipients income.

windshadow
  12/5/2016 12:23 EST

Susan,
I understand your desire to have the election results nullified so that your favorite can be president. Ain't happening girl!

What I don't understand is why you think it is "a-ok" to sit with your "censorship" finger on the "delete button" when someone makes comments about responses from those you support. Get a grip and talk about something you can change for the better. Med's. anyone anyone?

ecuadorjoe
  12/5/2016 12:53 EST

OH Part1.
NEW YORK, Dec 5 (Reuters) - Green Party presidential nominee Jill Stein pressed her case on Monday for recounts of U.S. presidential ballots in three states, and locked horns with President-elect Donald Trump over her motives.
Stein sued Pennsylvania election officials in federal court, demanding a statewide recount hours after a federal judge in Michigan ordered a recount to begin there without delay. In Wisconsin, a recount began last week at Stein's request.
Even if all three recounts move forward, they are extremely unlikely to change the outcome of the Nov. 8 presidential election in which the three historically Democratic states helped to seal a victory for Trump, a Republican.
On Sunday, Trump proclaimed Stein's effort a failure and questioned her motives, saying on Twitter: "Just a Stein scam to raise money!"
At a news conference on Monday across the street from Trump Tower in Manhattan, Stein said every dollar she raises for the recount is going to a dedicated account for that purpose. She has raised $7.2 million, according to her website.
"We urge Donald Trump to look at the facts, not to make up the facts," Stein said.
Stein said her recount push in the three "Rust Belt" states was not meant to change the election's result, but that she and others have concerns about the integrity of voting systems in the three states.
Trump and his supporters have sought to end the recounts.
"We are here to assure Donald Trump that there is nothing to be afraid of," Stein said. "If you believe in democracy, if you believe in the credibility of your victory, put down your arms, end your bureaucratic obstruction."
Some voting machines in Pennsylvania lack a paper trail, making them vulnerable to hacking or other problems, she said.
A few Trump allies protested Stein's appearance with her supporters at Trump Tower on New York City's Fifth Avenue, where Trump's offices and apartment home are located.
"I think the people out here today don't believe in democracy," said Jim MacDonald, a 67-year-old actuary from the borough of Queens. He held a sign that read "Dr Jill is a quack" and said he voted for Trump.
"He's their president whether they like it or not," MacDonald said.
Stein took about 1 percent of the popular vote, far behind Trump and Democrat Hillary Clinton.

ecuadorjoe
  12/5/2016 13:38 EST

OH..Please read, Even if all three recounts move forward, they are extremely unlikely to change the outcome of the Nov. 8 presidential election in which the three historically Democratic states helped to seal a victory for Trump, a Republican.

ecuadorjoe
  12/5/2016 14:00 EST

OH..But then your response clearly places inot the group of folks who actually would supprt this neo-facist, enophobic, homophobic, anti feminist and anti-semitic/anti Muslim group. So you know it was not directed at you per sé, but towards ohers who are more vocal on this group. Then again, birds of a feather and so forth. Thank you for being the moderator I guess you are referring to Christians including Roman Catholics in the above. Yes you need meds. Your hatred is unreal but most of the far left is the same as you.

rle1875
  12/5/2016 15:50 EST

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
That was hilarious, I laughed out loud.

rle1875
  12/5/2016 15:53 EST

Agreed.

PACountryBoy
  12/5/2016 16:30 EST

OCEAN.....Waaa Waaa Waaa...suck it up Buttercup. As of noon today, Trump picked up 6 additional votes in Wis. THX, Jilly Cakes! : >)))) LMAO!

remoore2001
  12/5/2016 21:15 EST

What the hell is buttercup? Although I don't know what you mean it's still one of you're more intelligent posts. Here's to you Tinkerbell

remoore2001
  12/5/2016 21:29 EST

By the way, Mr Trump won. Not the republican party or anyone else. If you were a loser before Mr Trump you will still be a loser. Blaming the repubs or the dems for your problems is stupid. You are just a loser. Talking trash just shows you are a loser, because you can't say anything about yourself that is positive.
Also if you are doing so damned good in the states, why you trolling here?

misa77
  12/6/2016 00:34 EST

he is a fraud,,,racist pig

ecuadorjoe
  12/6/2016 07:26 EST

Rem.. Sorry partially correct how many dems are still governors? In the last two elections they lost big time and BTW I will be safe back on "Redneck Riviera" tomorrow. That's were I live.

richaard
  12/6/2016 08:37 EST

Howdy, you might also check on DUOLINGO on line. Free course, and quite good. Only drawback is you need internet....not much in the jungle.

standg
  12/6/2016 09:18 EST

I apologize for my indiscretion. I just wanted to illustrate the way in which he used innuendo to make her seem nefarious. It is hard not to react to some of the nonsense put forward here. Just imagine if you were reading posts by people who were convinced the earth was flat, and they ridiculed anyone who disagreed with them. Imagine those same people had an arrogance, derived from a lack of critical thinking skills and a distrust for what they don't understand, and perhaps you can see my dilemma. Unfortunately, their arrogance only masks the fear of everything that is inherent in their world view. They finally have someone to confirm that the world is flat, and that they should be afraid of everything in it (e.g. Democrats, Muslims, Mexicans, inner-city Blacks, scientists who tell them things they don’t want to hear, sissy liberals who want to take their guns, and their own shadow), and that only he (in this case a whiny, little coward of a man) can save them. How else could one fall for the "sky is falling" routine? So, what should one do? Laugh it off? Ignore it? I will do my best to refrain from responding to the some of the more ridiculous things people write here – I must keep in mind that they are still a little distracted marveling over the Emperor’s wardrobe.

OceanHideaway
  12/6/2016 18:24 EST

Exactly why is everyone so against a recount? You are not paying for it, your guy "won", and decrying the rights of your fellow citizens to ascertain the status of their votes and the health of the system doesn´t affect you in the least.

So what are you all so afraid of?

This is an audit of the election system. In a rational world, this would not elicit an eye blink, and yet, the folks on this thread are literally frothing at the mouth.

Once again we have our more irrational members name-calling, and claiming censorship.

Really?

If you feel any post of yours has been deleted from this thread please take a moment and repost. Perhaps you didn´t hit enter?

Be aware that many of the most vocal respondents to this thread are individuals with posts on a time delay.

If your post is on a time delay then one of three things occur:

1. it posts eventually with the next wave of posts (just as posts do in the upper forum) OR

2. if I am online I push them through OR

3. your post may be reviewed by the Administration who OWN this site and this forum and they may delete your post.if they decide it is not beneficial to the site

If you believe your post has been deleted, go ahead and repost it. Chances are I will simply click it through.

In fact, I rarely delete a post no matter how vitriolic, erroneous, or derogatory because it is more important that our readership has an opportunity to recognize precisely the type of person who exists behind each avatar name.

You are a cross-section of the type of people coming to Ecuador, although as has been pointed out often enough, the most vitriolic don´t even live in this country. Still, it is a lesson to the naive that not all expats are the same. That´s important

Be patient and your post will be displayed

And now back to our regularly scheduled propaganda...

What is everyone´s view on the shooting in Chevy Chase inspired by the fake news that created "pizza gate"? You now the conspiracy theory pushed by Trumps National Security Advisor?

How about the conflict of interest situation with Taiwan and the reaction from China?

What about Ben Carson as head of HUD when he has already stated he is unqualified?

And what is going on with the choice of Secretary of State?

What do you folks think about the possible attack on Medicare and Social Security? The lack of a solid plan to replace the ACA? The Carrier deal?

And what happened to drain the swamp?

There is more to Trumps America than the recount..

The ball is in your court, guys. Why don´t you put aside the name calling and actually respond to the issues?

PACountryBoy
  12/6/2016 19:43 EST

STAN.... "So, what should one do? Laugh it off? Ignore it? I will do my best to refrain from responding to the some of the more" One should suck it up, quit your freakin' whining and do what the rest of the majority of us have had to do through the last eight years. Put your big boy pants on, after you put on your "Depends" and pray that TRUMP screws up over the next eight years. Oh wait, you don't believe in prayer, do you? Well, Buttercup, you can hope. NO MAN LEFT BEHIND!!!!! : >))))

ecbound
  12/6/2016 19:45 EST

Stan,. The last time I checked, "everyone else is doing it" is not a justification for breaking the law. Also, I believe that Colin Powell and Condaleeza Rice did NOT have a private server installed, and didn't take a hammer to their devices after being subpoenaed. And you believe that Hillary wasn't charged because she did nothing wrong, and that it had nothing to do with the tarmac meeting between Clinton and Loretta Lynch?

PACountryBoy
  12/6/2016 19:58 EST

EC....save your fingers. This is a very sick guy that needs help and we can't give it to him. And if we could, he would not accept it. His mind is made up and we should not confuse him with the facts cuse he is so ...already. ( That was for our lovely monitor...saving her time ). As the old expression goes: Time wounds all heals.....or wait a minute, is that how it goes? : >))) NO MAN LEFT BEHIND

windshadow
  12/7/2016 08:01 EST

Ok Susan, I stand corrected. I was beginning to think you were just being an expurgator. I retract my comment with a sincere apology.

dumluk
  12/7/2016 14:23 EST

If Trump can do these 10 things..........http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/11/19/royally-trumped/

OceanHideaway
  12/7/2016 15:47 EST

Dumluk... you are quoting from fake news sites again...

If anyone wants to double check that here are a few websites

Prop Or Not.com (remove spaces)
http://www.propor not.com/p/home.html
This site has a comprehensive list of fake news sites

https://www.sitejabber.com/reviews/www.veteranstoday.com

http://www.fakenewschecker.com/fake-news-source/veterans-today

You might also be interested in reviewing
http://www.propor not.com/2016/10/zero-hedge.html (again remove the spaces)

windshadow
  12/7/2016 16:31 EST

The state of Ohio just passed a law that says if a fetus has a detectable heart beat (about 6 weeks) it is illegal to perform an abortion.

windshadow
  12/7/2016 16:52 EST

OH,
Interesting! I am certainly glad there are few, if any, left leaning "fake news sites."
I am skeptical when someone identifies as the "fake news po po," police if you will, and then goes on to list heavily to one side or the other.
I disagree heavily with this type of reporting. It is like the kettle calling the pot--black.
It comes across as intellectual censorship, obviously weighted on the side of the first to point a finger. Still doesn't change the fact, Hillary lost the election. She was beaten by this, as many say, moron from NYC that is now in the position to start running the country. I guess it says he is smarter than all the democrats combined, just lucky, or maybe the people want to see change at any cost.

cristos7
  12/7/2016 17:49 EST

Susan's 12/6 post largely sums up the ongoing inanity and animousity of this discussion, which sadly reflects the largely misinformed and often delusional political dialogue ongoing in the US. What's your preferred flavor - Coke or Pepsi? Chevy or Ford? Conservative or Liberal? Democrat or Republican? Clinton or Trump? WAKE UP! It's all marketing and entertainment for popular 'consumption'! The same forces which have guided the course of humanity (which ostensibly includes the US;) for the past 6, 16, 60, 600 and perhaps 6000 years will continue apace for as long as we continue our determined efforts to consume and trash this magnificent ecosystem, of which we are made and which supports our very existence. If such a large matter is beyond your comprehension, or if you are only concerned about your immediate needs and desires (i.e. power and money), consider that TWO TRILLION DOLLARS supposedly just "vanished" in 2007-2008, yet the derivatives markets remain quite vigorous in their obscurity. Whatever Trump's beliefs, intentions (or Tweets...), he is no doubt getting the low-down on just what (and NOT) he will have any real influence over once taking Office. (He is just another Gangster, though the Gang into which he will be inaugurated may teach him to be more careful about what he wishes for...) SS, Medicare, healthcare, education, affordable housing and fair wages have been slated to go the way of welfare since before Ronald Reagun-Zap. (Debating over a $15 per hour minimum wage - which firmly places a family of four into poverty - is not only ludicrous but offensive.) The rich will get richer (stealing the commons) while stealing the goose will get you hard time (or shot) regardless of your religious, racial or political beliefs. That said, I do find some solace in the fact that Ms. Clinton's abject (and perhaps even deliberate?) failure to win the Presidential "Election" of 2016 has disconcerted the large number of sheeple who would have comfortably gone back to sleep if she had won, to dream of what gifts Santa Claus might have in store for them. (So long as you have been a "good" little wage-slave or "In God We Trust And Fear" sheep";~(

cristos7
  12/7/2016 17:52 EST

Again relating to our Moderator's 12/06 post, I would very much like to know what criteria are used to determine which members of this forum are allowed to post in real time rather than have their posts 'delayed'???

windshadow
  12/7/2016 18:19 EST

Christos7,
I can answer that in regard to me. I have been know to go mach 3 on the really stupid S---s, so, it is for their own comfort and security that they check and see if my post are presentable to the masses. For example, Stnadng's misuse of basic vocabulary while in the same breath calling others "stupid!" Got a little rise out of me and you will never get to read it here due to some factor, maybe I forgot to post. Real possibility when I am ranting. lol

ecuadorjoe
  12/7/2016 19:23 EST

OH .thank you for your leftist comments, Now that I am back on "Redneck Riviera" please educate all of us, dirty, stupid and uneducated.

ecuadorjoe
  12/7/2016 19:26 EST

PAC...I want to hear I sold Israel, and proud of it...lol..

nickspm
  12/7/2016 19:36 EST

When the corporate-media establishment of the United States of Organized Crime and Corruption starts publishing lists of "Fake-News" websites to be on the lookout for, then you should probably be very skeptical!

This type of we'll-oiled coordination in the corporate media is rarely seen unless the US elite is selling the American people on the next big war or there is a push to desperately cover up a big pedophilia scandal that involves the elite directly---like the Franklin Affair.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Franklin+Affair

PACountryBoy
  12/7/2016 20:31 EST

OCEAN..WOW...YOU REALLY PRESENTED A LOTTA STIMULATING QUESTIONS. LOL...I'LL RAISE TO THE BAIT:

.Exactly why is everyone so against a recount? I FOR ONE SEE IT THIS WAY:
A) WASTE OF TIME. .B) WASTE OF EFFORT...C) WASTE OF MONEY....D) OUTCOME WILL NOT BE CHANGED ...MENTAL MASTURBATION.

You are not paying for it, AHHH...NOT QUITE TRUE A) AS OF YESTERDAY, THE SEC STATE OF MICHIGAN SAYS IT WILL COST THE TAX PAYERS OF MICHIGAN $5,000,000.00...AND THEY AREN'T DONE YET. WISCONSIN SAYS THE TAB IS UP TO $3,500,000.000 AND THE METER IS STILL RUNNING. JILLY CAKES DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO COVER THE COST AND DOES NOT PLAN ON DOING SO. JUST THINK WHAT WE COULD HAVE DONE WITH THAT MONEY TO HELP OUR EARTHQUAKE VICTIMS!!

your guy "won", and decrying the rights of your fellow citizens to ascertain the status of their votes and the health of the system doesn´t affect you in the least. So what are you all so afraid of? AFRAID OF NOTHING! I JUST HATE TO SEE STUPIDITY WASTE TIME, MONEY AND EFFORT. AS OF LAST NIGHT: TRUMP GAINED 36 VOTES IN WISCONSIN AND ONE VOTE IN MICHIGAN. WHAT A GREAT INVESTMENT TO "TEST THE SYSTEM." LAST NIGHT JILLY CAKES HELD A PRESS CONFERENCE SAYING THEY WERE TESTING THE SYSTEM....TO WHICH I SAY, INVEST IN WOUNDED WARRIORS!!!!

This is an audit of the election system. In a rational world,...WELL....THAT'S YOUR FIRST MISTAKE RIGHT THERE... this would not elicit an eye blink, and yet, the folks on this thread are literally frothing at the mouth. NO...NO FROTHING. A LOTTA A SMIRKING, AND SNARKY REBUFFS TO ALL THE WHINING AND WHIMPERING... JUST SAD TO SEE SUCH A WASTE BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE DON'T KNOW HOW TO "SUCK IT UP AND MOVE ON." SHE LOST!!!!!!!!!!!

Once again we have our more irrational members name-calling, and claiming censorship .I ONLY COMPLAINED ONCE. ALL IN ALL YOU "NORMALLY" DO A GREAT JOB. IN ALL HONESTY, YOU SHOULD HAVE STAYED OUTTA THE POLITICS. Really? If you feel any post of yours has been deleted from this thread please take a moment and repost. LOL...RIGHT! xOxO DON'T HAVE THE TIME. TOOK TOO LONG TO RESPOND TO ALL YOUR ISSUES.

Perhaps you didn´t hit enter? THAT MUST HAVE BEEN IT!!!! IS THAT THE BIG KEY IN THE LOWER RIGHT CORNER?

Be aware that many of the most vocal respondents to this thread are individuals with posts on a time delay. LOL...WHY IS THAT? AM I ONE?

If your post is on a time delay then one of three things occur: 1. it posts eventually with the next wave of posts (just as posts do in the upper forum) OR 2. if I am online I push them through OR 3. your post may be reviewed by the Administration who OWN this site and this forum and they may delete your post.if they decide it is not beneficial to the site If you believe your post has been deleted, go ahead and repost it.

I DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THAT BUT THX FOR THE OPPORTUNITY

Chances are I will simply click it through. In fact, I rarely delete a post no matter how vitriolic, erroneous, or derogatory because it is more important that our readership has an opportunity to recognize precisely the type of person who exists behind each avatar name. You are a cross-section of the type of people coming to Ecuador, although as has been pointed out often enough, the most vitriolic don´t even live in this country. Still, it is a lesson to the naive that not all expats are the same. That´s important Be patient and your post will be displayed And now back to our regularly scheduled propaganda...

What is everyone´s view on the shooting in Chevy Chase inspired by the fake news that created "pizza gate"? HOW DID OUR CRACK MEDIA NOT CATCH THIS SOONER?

You now the conspiracy theory pushed by Trumps National Security Advisor? NO. NO INTEREST IN THE WHOLE THING....MIND DUMPED.

How about the conflict of interest situation with Taiwan and the reaction from China? GOOD....GLAD! CORRECT ME BUT HAVEN'T THEY HAD A "CONFLICT OF INTEREST" FOR YEARS???? TIME SOMEONE STOOD UP TO THE ACTIONS IN THE INTERNATIONAL WATER GRAB! I LOVE IT: TRUMP TAKES A CALL FROM A DEMOCRATIC ALLY TO WHOM WE SELL MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF FIGHTER JETS AND WEAPONS BUT OBAMA OPENS UP RELATIONS WITH A TYRANT COMMUNIST DICTATOR WHO HAS MURDERED AND IMPRISONED THOUSAND OF HIS PEOPLE AND BARRY'S A HERO. WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE????

What about Ben Carson as head of HUD when he has already stated he is unqualified? I AGREE. LOVE THE GUY BUT NOT HIS EXPERTISE. STICK TO MEDICINE!

And what is going on with the choice of Secretary of State? WHAT ABOUT IT? I THINK THE GUY IS PLAYING CHESS IN ORDER TO AVOID ANOTHER "NO MAN LEFT BEHIND" HILLARY. I MEAN "WHAT DIFFERENCE ...DOES IT MAKE ANYWAY"? PERSONALLY,I DON'T TRUST ROMNEY BUT THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHERS THAT "APPEAR" TO BE GREAT CHOICES ...RUDY...HUNTSMAN... FOR TWO.

What do you folks think about the possible attack on Medicare and Social Security? PLS DEFINE THE "ATTACK". REASONABLY INCREASING THE AGE QUALIFICATION MAKES SENSE AS THE AGE EXPECTANCY HAS IMPROVED GREATLY. ONLY PROBLEM IS THE SNOWFLAKES GETTING JOBS TO SUPPORT IT.

The lack of a solid plan to replace the ACA? NOT ENOUGH INFO TO ADDRESS. LOL..WHAT IS ALOPO?

The Carrier deal? WE NEED MORE AIRCRAFT CARRIERS...LOL...I DO NOT CARE FOR THE PRESIDENT GETTING ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN COMPANY BUSINESSES, SHADES OF FASCISM BUT FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO "TAKE THE BULL BY THE HORNS" AND GET INVOLVED FOR THE BENEFIT OF EVERYONE INVOLVED. I DON'T CARE FOR IT BUT LIKED IT...NOW WE HAVE SOFT BANK. TOUGH TO ARGUE WITH THE CASH INFLUX AND THOUSANDS OF NEW JOBS...AND HE ISN'T EVEN IN OFFICE YET. FOR BARRY: WHERE THE HELL WERE YOU, COWBOY?

...And what happened to drain the swamp? DON'T WORRY....THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING. COME early JAN, YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR ONE BIG FLUSH AND THE WORSE PART OF THE SWAMP WILL BE "ADIOS, AMIGO" . WHAT'S IT BEEN,? THREE WEEKS? HE'S NOT EVEN IN OFFICE YET. BARRY'S BEEN THERE SEVEN AND A HALF YEARS AND ALL HE'S GOT IS...APOLOGIES AND EXCUSES AND DON'T BLAME ME, EVERYONE ELSE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MY STUPIDITY.

There is more to Trumps America than the recount.. The ball is in your court, guys. Why don´t you put aside the name calling and actually respond to the issues? EXCUSE ME, MOST OF THE NAME CALLING....EXCEPT FOR ME....HAS COME FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ISLE. POOR STAN, NOW THERE'S A GUY THAT REALLY NEEDS HELP. DO WE HAVE ANY PSYCHOLOGISTS ON THIS THREAD WHO WOULD BE WILLING TO ACCEPT THE CHALLENGE? I DON'T BLAME YOU.

THX, OCEAN. LOL. YOU'VE DONE YOUR BEST TO EXPAND THIS THREAD. AND AS USUAL,YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB.
NO MAN LEFT BEHIND! : >))))

PACountryBoy
  12/7/2016 20:35 EST

WIND....Saw it....AMEN!!!! What is Planned Assassination going to do for body parts now? Ahhh, I got it...rob graves!!!!

PACountryBoy
  12/7/2016 20:39 EST

WIND....Oh, Wind. We're just gong to have to send you to a "PC Camp".
: >)))))

PACountryBoy
  12/7/2016 20:43 EST

CRISTO.....Me too! Me too! LOL

: >)))

OceanHideaway
  12/7/2016 21:34 EST

Why some people´s posts are on delayed timing:

The poster has been tagged as abusive by a reader who has taken the time to click on the ABUSE button.

What is fake news?

Narrowly defined, “fake news” means a made-up story with an intention to deceive, often geared toward getting clicks.

Some of the top FAKE stories:and the sites that wrote them:

https://www.google.com.ec/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=10&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjgm-yZxePQAhWDWSYKHRW3CO4QFghHMAk&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hannity.com%2Fonair%2Fthe-sean-hannity-show-55176%2F200-stranded-marines-needed-a-plane-14727522%2F&usg=AFQjCNENfvq4wpoitxwldlpEj5khsmWuIw&sig2=fDLL17E7Erghg9a2TaJzRw&bvm=bv.140915558,d.eWE

https://conspiracydailyupdate.com/2016/11/06/fbi-agent-suspected-in-hillary-email-leaks-found-dead-in-apparent-murder-suicide-nesara-republic-now-galactic-news/

http://www.morningnewsusa.com/pope-francis-endorses-donald-trump-facts-to-know-23113922.html.

http://abcnews.com.co/donald-trump-protester-speaks-out-i-was-paid-to-protest/

Twitter #pizzagate Pizzagate is a debunked conspiracy theory started by a Twitter user described as a white supremacist and spread by 4chan users and /r/The_Donald forum

In fake news sites that we know actually created fake news include:

Denver Guardian abcnews.com.co LibertyWritersNews WorldPoliticus.com, TrumpVision365.com, USConservativeToday.com, DonaldTrumpNews.co, USADailyPolitics.com.

And that is just the tip of the iceberg.

cristos7
  12/7/2016 22:13 EST

It's okay PA, take some deep breaths and try to REMAIN CALM. Ya don't have to go spend the night in the barn. (Unless ya REALLY want to;~) It is what it is. You're thinking too much. Try to be happy;)

dumluk
  12/7/2016 22:47 EST

@oshun......you should be ashamed of yourself for jumping on that ill fated bandwagon when you know perfectly well you are standing in quicksand: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-07/ultimate-fake-news-list

cristos7
  12/8/2016 00:34 EST

And OMG, Trump is Time magazine's "Person of the Year". Ya all talk about *which* news is fake and which isn't?!? LOL. I'm sure he is already in the running for a Nobel Peace Prize, even if he has to exceed Mr. Nobel's humanitarian efforts in the process;~)))

ecuadorjoe
  12/8/2016 06:34 EST

Cr...OMG Obama won the Nobel Peace price the day he was elected. And what did he contribute? Please enlighten us all. Thank you.

PACountryBoy
  12/8/2016 08:27 EST

CRIST...LOL. I am not happy....I'm ecstatic that the Bozo in the WH will be gone in 42 days. Trump was not my first choice but he's surprised me so far. How does that song go? "We've only just begun....." NEVER LEAVE A MAN BEHIND!!! : >))))

PACountryBoy
  12/8/2016 08:34 EST

OCEAN...THX! The biggest one that had the most "legs" was "Hands Up....Don't Shoot!" Idiots! IT'S GONNA BE A GREAT DAY!!!

dumluk
  12/8/2016 10:36 EST

@EcJoe.........Joe it seems that maybe you have a hard time understanding sarcasm. English not being your native tongue, and I can understand that....Ive given up using sarcasm here in Panama, cuz more often than not the people just dont get it....simple humor yes, but sarcasm no.......its a tuff one......I dont think that theres anybody here on this forum, besides maybe Oshun and standng who would take issue with your assessment of the absolute absurdity of handing a Nobel Prize to O'bongo like they did.......It only served to devalue the meaning of a Nobel Prize....It can never again have the same significance that it once did........Its just another relic, or better yet a propaganda tool of the elitists.........altho I dont have a problem with Santos getting the Peace prize.....He has striven since Day 1 in office to forge the peace in Colombia, and has caught a whole lot of flak for it too..........I could go on and on, but I get tired and cant hold the floor like Hopper.......That man has a gift........hahaha..........

cristos7
  12/8/2016 14:58 EST

Speaking of Sarcasm and Charades: Alfred Nobel was a profiteering Arms Manufacturer whose most notable "Humanitarian" efforts resulted in a new level of mechanized war and enormous casualties. Obama was relatively benign, but earned his "peace" prize none-the-less:(((

windshadow
  12/8/2016 18:07 EST

Christos7,
Did you really say "earned" his peace prize.
How did he do that?

PACountryBoy
  12/8/2016 19:30 EST

WIND... He was the first black, Marxist president. Simple! : >)))

ecuadorjoe
  12/8/2016 20:43 EST

Wind...I am back on "Redneck Riviera" He got the Nobel piece price by apologizing to the word about the lousy U.S. and using drones to kill innocent people all around the world.

ecbound
  12/8/2016 21:19 EST

Susan, I don't know if you really want us to answer your questions or if they're rhetorical, but here are my answers:

1. I'm very worried about the recount because:
a). In 2001 the GEMS election system began using decimals instead of whole numbers, making it possible to assign values of more or less than one to each vote within minutes. A vote can be set to almost zero, and you can set it so that one candidate gets 43% of the vote, and the other 57%, etc. Bev Harris, who belongs to a nonpartisan election fraud organization and is considered an expert on voter fraud, wrote a book about it, called "Black Box Voting.". She and a computer programmer named Benny Smith did a live demonstration for the media years ago, showing how an election can be stolen. Of course, nothing was done because the corporate media's corruption is only matched by Washington's. The adjusting of votes can be set before the election and mid-election. After this election, Bev Harris said the reason they held back voting results in places like Detroit, Milwaulkee, and Pittsburgh, is so the elites could figure out just how much they needed to fix it for Hillary. Obviously, they needed to keep it close with Trump's popularity, and they have to fix the machines on a local level, usually in bigger counties. But, his votes were more dispersed and one thing you can never predict is voter turnout. She said they couldn't come up with enough to keep Trump from winning, and that she still believes he got more votes than what was reported. By the way, Bev Harris is a liberal Democrat. Anyway, this GEMS system is used (under different trade names) for over 90% of the votes. I won't go into all the individual cases of election fixing and voter fraud that has been found out in different states, involving illegals who are allowed to get a license, which makes it pretty easy for them to vote, etc.. The point is, elections can be fixed, and are. If Trump hadn't been so popular, they would have succeeded in handing Hillary the election. He won 11 states by at least 25%, 2 by more than 40%. Hillary won 6 by more than 25% and 1 by more than 40% -- Washington, DC. (The place where most of the criminal politicians Trump promised to take to task live). He won 2,623 counties to her 489. And 66% of her electoral votes came from just two states, NY and California. That sounds like a mandate for Trump to me.
The recount just gives the elites the opportunity to use their influence to fix it again. And, the electoral college is also a way for them to steal the election. Several of the electors said they received death threats. Aside from the appalling hypocrisy of continuing to try to steal the election from Trump after he clearly won, and after accusing him of posing a threat to our democracy when he wouldn't come out definitively to say that he'd accept the results, does it not strike you as odd that they aren't calling for a recount in states like Minnesota and New Hampshire, (where Hillary one by a much smaller margin than Trump won in these 3 states)? And, if they're worried about Russia having hacked the voting system (which is ridiculous), why recount in states that use only paper ballots? This is all just an attempt by the globalist elites who call the shots behind the scenes, to try once more to steal the election and discount the legitimacy of Trump's presidency to the clueless millions. That's why I don't want the recount.

I'll answer your other questions in separate posts.

dumluk
  12/8/2016 22:42 EST

@cristos y pac.........do you think it might have had something to do with the $68 billion dollar aid package to criminal Israel? The largest in history.........as the actor in chief continues to pretend to not like Bibi........jajajajaja.........maybe he really doesnt like him, that I can understand.......but in the end he has to play ball.............cuz after all.........hes just a pawn in a big boys game.........

remoore2001
  12/8/2016 23:50 EST

Just watched the Chiefs beat the Raiders which is really important. Getting ready to go to bed. Had to check in on the Funny Company because it's just for fun. You guys didn't let me down. I'll go to bed with a smile upon my face. Thanks guys

ecbound
  12/9/2016 00:28 EST

Susan, for your second question about the alleged shooting at Comet Pizza, 'inspired" by --Trump's National Security Advisor:

1. Trump's security advisor didn't inspire the pizzagate story, he just retweeted a tweet about it.

2. A guy who was at the restaurant with his family when the gunman arrived, said in an interview that he didn't hear a shot,

3. If this guy did, in fact, go there and fire his gun, why would they immediately blame the so-called fake news, and not the fact that this guy had some mental health issues and a few prior arrests? We hear all kinds of stories in the corporate media, much of it exaggerated or untrue, and if a mentally unstable person reacts to it, we don't blame the media. By the way, It's convenient for this to happen just when they are moving to censor free speech and media that isn't part of the cartel.

4. Why isn't the media calling for an investigation into this place and into the Podesta's? I don't pretend to know exactly what is happening and who it involves, but there is enough strange stuff to warrant an investigation. The emails to and from Podesta, and those of Anthony Weiner's, are loaded with obviously cryptic references to words used in pedophile rings, according to the FBI. The FBI list says pizza=girl, hotdog=boy, cheese=young girl, pasta=young boy, chicken=babies, etc. Why are people in these emails saying things like, "Do you think it's easier to play dominoes on cheese or pasta?" or "Would love to get a pizza for an hour," etc. There is an email inviting Podesta to a party at a farm, that says:

"Bonnie will be Uber service to transport Ruby, Emerson, and Maybe Luzzatto (11, 9, and almost 7) so you'll have some further entertainment, and they will be in that pool for sure."

There are invitations to "Spirit-cooking" parties sent to Podesta by Marina Abramovic, an artist who is into spells and satanic rituals, and has a very strange idea about what art is. There is a picture of Abramovic sitting in a white room, on a white shelf about 5' off the floor, she's dressed in white, with a bucket on each side of her. There is "Spirit Cooking" written on the wall in large letters, that is either reddish paint or blood. There is also a 666, and an inverted pentagram (which apparently is also a satanic symbol). I don't know what this means, perhaps it is supposed to be artistic, but it's strange to say the least. There are many other photographs of Marina with what appears to be naked bodies with blood on them, or something designed to look like dead bodies, often cannibalism is depicted in her art too. Why did Hillary Clinton give Marina $10,000? Why does John Podesta have a picture of a naked dead body on his wall, with two men standing over it with knives and plates and forks? Why does his brother Tony have pictures of naked teens in his bedroom, and why is his wife amused by how horrified some people are when they see it, according to a Washington Post interview/article. Why does Podesta's brother have a life-size sculpture of a decapitated, naked man hanging from his ceiling, that looks exactly like the released pictures of how one of Jeffrey Dahmer's victims was found? Why was he best friends with convicted pedophile Dennis Hastert? By the way, this shows you some of Podesta's artwork:. Notice all the terrified half naked children.

http://www.justicenewsnetwork.com/tony-podesta-and-dennis-hastert-connection-pedophiles-of-a-feather-flock-together/


Why did the owners of Comet Ping Pong and Besta Pizza, both on the same street in DC, both have national symbols known to represent pedophilia on their signs? You could see them on Google Street View a couple weeks ago, but they have now been removed. Why does the owner of Comet Ping Pong have several jokes/references to pedophilia on his website, and why is he (a pizza shop owner) listed by GQ as the 49th most influential people in Washington, DC? Why did he visit the white house 5 times, and why did Hillary have a fundraiser at his place? Why do plane logs show that Bill Clinton went on pedophile Jeffrey Epstein's plane "Lolita" 26 times? Here are some of the Comet Pizza posts:

https://archive.fo/YJJnJ

https://i.sli.mg/ON22AY.png
(Notice his shirt says "I love children" in French?)

https://i.sli.mg/dAMKb2.jpg
(What the hell is this?)

https://i.sli.mg/kHXqhi.jpg
(You can't say this isn't an adult having sex with a child)

There's a lot more info, emails and pics, but I'm done. Do you really think this doesn't warrant any investigation?

I'll answer some of your other questions tomorrow.


Perhaps none of this means anything, but this wouldn't be the first time that big names in politics and celebrities were involved in child trafficking and pedophile rings. This is from NPR in May 2015:

"The tally of abuse seems to embrace virtually every British institution. Of the 1,433 suspects, 261 are considered people of public prominence - entertainers, athletes and politicians. Hundreds more held responsible positions at schools, orphanages, hospitals prisons, the military. "

Lawyer James Badenoch said:
"The idea that they were terrorized in the way alleged doesn't surprise me at all. What surprises me, like so many other citizens of this country, is the idea that people so high up would have been, A, involved in it and, B, willing to cover it up."

Then there's the report by NBC News of an internet pedophile ring that spanned 30 countries, and had 70,000 members, including police.

There's the documentary about the pedophile ring in Hollywood, called "An Open Secret."

ecbound
  12/9/2016 00:29 EST

Susan, for your second question about the alleged shooting at Comet Pizza, 'inspired" by --Trump's National Security Advisor:

1. Trump's security advisor didn't inspire the pizzagate story, he just retweeted a tweet about it.

2. A guy who was at the restaurant with his family when the gunman arrived, said in an interview that he didn't hear a shot,

3. If this guy did, in fact, go there and fire his gun, why would they immediately blame the so-called fake news, and not the fact that this guy had some mental health issues and a few prior arrests? We hear all kinds of stories in the corporate media, much of it exaggerated or untrue, and if a mentally unstable person reacts to it, we don't blame the media. By the way, It's convenient for this to happen just when they are moving to censor free speech and media that isn't part of the cartel.

4. Why isn't the media calling for an investigation into this place and into the Podesta's? I don't pretend to know exactly what is happening and who it involves, but there is enough strange stuff to warrant an investigation. The emails to and from Podesta, and those of Anthony Weiner's, are loaded with obviously cryptic references to words used in pedophile rings, according to the FBI. The FBI list says pizza=girl, hotdog=boy, cheese=young girl, pasta=young boy, chicken=babies, etc. Why are people in these emails saying things like, "Do you think it's easier to play dominoes on cheese or pasta?" or "Would love to get a pizza for an hour," etc. There is an email inviting Podesta to a party at a farm, that says:

"Bonnie will be Uber service to transport Ruby, Emerson, and Maybe Luzzatto (11, 9, and almost 7) so you'll have some further entertainment, and they will be in that pool for sure."

There are invitations to "Spirit-cooking" parties sent to Podesta by Marina Abramovic, an artist who is into spells and satanic rituals, and has a very strange idea about what art is. There is a picture of Abramovic sitting in a white room, on a white shelf about 5' off the floor, she's dressed in white, with a bucket on each side of her. There is "Spirit Cooking" written on the wall in large letters, that is either reddish paint or blood. There is also a 666, and an inverted pentagram (which apparently is also a satanic symbol). I don't know what this means, perhaps it is supposed to be artistic, but it's strange to say the least. There are many other photographs of Marina with what appears to be naked bodies with blood on them, or something designed to look like dead bodies, often cannibalism is depicted in her art too. Why did Hillary Clinton give Marina $10,000? Why does John Podesta have a picture of a naked dead body on his wall, with two men standing over it with knives and plates and forks? Why does his brother Tony have pictures of naked teens in his bedroom, and why is his wife amused by how horrified some people are when they see it, according to a Washington Post interview/article. Why does Podesta's brother have a life-size sculpture of a decapitated, naked man hanging from his ceiling, that looks exactly like the released pictures of how one of Jeffrey Dahmer's victims was found? Why was he best friends with convicted pedophile Dennis Hastert? By the way, this shows you some of Podesta's artwork:. Notice all the terrified half naked children.

http://www.justicenewsnetwork.com/tony-podesta-and-dennis-hastert-connection-pedophiles-of-a-feather-flock-together/


Why did the owners of Comet Ping Pong and Besta Pizza, both on the same street in DC, both have national symbols known to represent pedophilia on their signs? You could see them on Google Street View a couple weeks ago, but they have now been removed. Why does the owner of Comet Ping Pong have several jokes/references to pedophilia on his website, and why is he (a pizza shop owner) listed by GQ as the 49th most influential people in Washington, DC? Why did he visit the white house 5 times, and why did Hillary have a fundraiser at his place? Why do plane logs show that Bill Clinton went on pedophile Jeffrey Epstein's plane "Lolita" 26 times? Here are some of the Comet Pizza posts:

https://archive.fo/YJJnJ

https://i.sli.mg/ON22AY.png
(Notice his shirt says "I love children" in French?)

https://i.sli.mg/dAMKb2.jpg
(What the hell is this?)

https://i.sli.mg/kHXqhi.jpg
(You can't say this isn't an adult having sex with a child)

There's a lot more info, emails and pics, but I'm done. Do you really think this doesn't warrant any investigation?

I'll answer some of your other questions tomorrow.


Perhaps none of this means anything, but this wouldn't be the first time that big names in politics and celebrities were involved in child trafficking and pedophile rings. This is from NPR in May 2015:

"The tally of abuse seems to embrace virtually every British institution. Of the 1,433 suspects, 261 are considered people of public prominence - entertainers, athletes and politicians. Hundreds more held responsible positions at schools, orphanages, hospitals prisons, the military. "

Lawyer James Badenoch said:
"The idea that they were terrorized in the way alleged doesn't surprise me at all. What surprises me, like so many other citizens of this country, is the idea that people so high up would have been, A, involved in it and, B, willing to cover it up."

Then there's the report by NBC News of an internet pedophile ring that spanned 30 countries, and had 70,000 members, including police.

There's the documentary about the pedophile ring in Hollywood, called "An Open Secret."

remoore2001
  12/9/2016 11:24 EST

ECBOUND, you're not really moving down here are you? We definitly have enough tin hatters. Are you also convinced that proctor and gamble are a devil worshiping company? It's in the company logo, just go look

OceanHideaway
  12/9/2016 12:31 EST

One of the most telling points of this past election cycle is the proof that most of the American voting constituency who put this fool, Trump, into office consists of individuals who, for better or worse, lack the ability to read with critically, or in fact, read for themselves at all.


This failure is highlighted by those of posters who continue to respond with the same questions that have been answered over and over with numerous examples, articles, references, and citations.

The fact is guys, you appear pathetic to those who have been keeping up.

ANd a lot of our readers, the ones who don´t respond on this thread but do respond to me in private, are in fact, keeping up.


It is for those in the background, the readers with intelligent questions and comments that I want to send huge thanks for taking the time to reach out. Yes I hear you and no I do not think that everyone is represented by these vocal few who are responding.

And it is okay that you are not posting. These folks here can be rather nasty and there is no purpose to exposing yourself to their game.

Know that you are not alone and you are not the minority. Not based on your numbers.

I will point out, as I have in my responses in PM that unfortunately, these posters who are responding do represent a cross section of that 20 to 25% of the voting public who provided the entrance for the current president-elect, poised to take office to hold an administration in the USA..

Yes these posters really do believe what they are posting and as you see they will vehemently defend their beliefs, even when shown to be based on nothing more than a whim of some Macedonian teenager looking for click bait, no matter how often those stories are proven false.

These folks are, sadly, the results of an America that fears education, and knowledge, and distrusts veracity.

They are entirely comfortable in their ignorance even if it flies directly in the face of logic and actively fight against any form of enlightenment.

So why do I persist?

Because these handful of posters are just that, a handful, they do not represent the majority of readers here on the Ecuador Forum.

I will continue to post varied and verified news for the majority of our readers even as the naysayers repeat (and repeat, and repeat) their claims because I have too much respect for our readership not to.

So without further ado:


About FAKE NEWS

"the urgent campaign to stop the spread of fake news and the response to it have almost rendered the term itself meaningless. For certain conservatives, “fake news” now means “liberal bias,” even as the other side uses it to describe an exaggerated or completely untrue statement from the president-elect."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/12/07/how-the-war-against-fake-news-backfired/?utm_term=.9d3304c14f6c

http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2016/12/stop_calling_everything_fake_news.html


About the TIME MAGAZINE PERSON OF THE YEAR:

Person of the Year (called Man of the Year until 1999) is an annual issue of the United States news magazine Time that features and profiles a person, a group, an idea, or an object that "for better or for worse...has done the most to influence the events of the year"

Trump joins an illustrious group along with Adolf Hitler (1938), Joseph Stalin (1939 and 1942), Nikita Khrushchev(1957) and Ayatollah Khomeini (1979).

The cover photos often have subtle messages and this one is no different. For starters, the chair in which Trump sits is torn, and it is a replica of a Luis the XV. If you know your history that should mean something. If you don´t, then just have a slice of cake and we´ll get back to you.



About the NOBEL PEACE PRIZE

Alfred Nobel died in 1896 and he did not leave an explanation for choosing peace as a prize category. As he was a trained chemical engineer, the categories for chemistry and physics were obvious choices. The reasoning behind the peace prize is less clear. According to the Norwegian Nobel Committee, his friendship with Bertha von Suttner, a peace activist and later recipient of the prize, profoundly influenced his decision to include peace as a category. Some Nobel scholars suggest it was Nobel's way to compensate for developing destructive forces. His inventions included dynamite and ballistite, both of which were used violently during his lifetime.

And that shopuld catch us up to where things stand now.

PACountryBoy
  12/9/2016 12:33 EST

EC....It's much easier to physically "stuff the ballot box" of which there are all kinds of examples on U-Tube. Here's one where you don't even STUFF the box. https://thehornnews.com/massive-voter-fraud-uncovered-election-recount/ Make it a great day!!!! : >)))) And she still lost!

ecuadorjoe
  12/9/2016 13:46 EST

Rem.. haters of what? You are one of these? Everyone should be able to express their opinion here not only Catholic haters and Muslim lovers.

remoore2001
  12/9/2016 15:12 EST

Joe that's hatters as in tin hats. No need to hate anybody as far as I can tell. We all have differences.

remoore2001
  12/9/2016 15:14 EST

Joe that's hatters as in tin hats. No need to hate anybody as far as I can tell. We all have differences.

ecbound
  12/9/2016 15:32 EST

That's right, Remoore. Don't read any of the documents and articles (even the mainstream ones that so many seem to trust), and don't look at the screen shots from these guys' own posts. I mean I know it's hard to believe that pedophile rings exist, and sometimes involve high-level celebrities and politicians, but the reason they DO exist is because of the unwillingness of most people to look into it. Once you do, you'll see it's very well documented, and not that well-hidden. They rely on the fact that many are too lazy to look, and too comfortable in their rose-colored view of the world.
At the very least look up the mainstream articles about Podesta's friendship with the pedophile Hastert, and the Washington Post article about the pictures of naked teens on his bedroom walls. And, you can go to wikileaks to read the emails yourself. Do a search on the British pedophile ring. If you're ever you're going to be willing to suspend your disbelief, this is an issue where it's worth doing. Children who are victimized by Satanic cults are living in hell.

ecbound
  12/9/2016 15:41 EST

OH, I'm not familiar with any of the sites or articles you mentioned, but pizzagate was not started by a Twitter post. Maybe the term was, and maybe it went viral because of twitter, but it started because it became obvious that the leaked emails were loaded with references to words like pizza, that didn't make sense unless you used the FBI-derived pedophile meanings for these words.

windshadow
  12/9/2016 15:46 EST

What are some of the pedophilia fbi derived words?
Mushroom
Cheese
Olives,
OMG, pepperoni (that is a big one)
Sausage (Wow, I never ever thought of that)
Eggplant (there you go)
Extra sauce???

remoore2001
  12/9/2016 16:00 EST

Ecbound,let's ignore each other. I have way more important things to do, like watching hummingbirds in my garden.
But hey,howabout those devil worshippers at proctor and gamble. Don't even lecture me on pedophilia, I was a victim. So get off your high horse.

ecuadorjoe
  12/9/2016 16:11 EST

Ec.. give up these are hard core leftists. Lol,,,

cristos7
  12/9/2016 16:14 EST

@ Susan, you know I am in general an admirer of your efforts as Moderatrix, as well as your generous info-sharing and thoughtful posts. However, your statement suggesting that Alfred Nobel only "developed destructive forces" is at the very least disingenuous by omitting mention of his "his establishing more than NINETY armaments factories..." from which he "...became rich by finding ways to kill more people faster than ever before" and earned him notoriety as "The merchant of death." Half truths are pernicious and often more damning than complete fabrications, and provide creedence to those who question your commitment to "the truth, the WHOLE truth, and nothing but the truth." For which reason your VERY narrow definition of what constitutes "Fake News" also compromises your credibility...

ecuadorjoe
  12/9/2016 16:18 EST

jajajajajajajaja learn.

Grasshopper
  12/9/2016 17:09 EST

Hey guys and gals,
I have a great deal of reading to do just to catch up with this EPIC thread.

DUMLUK, congratulations on starting the longest friggin' thread I've ever seen on here.

I have stronger political options than I come of as having, so I want to see what all has been said.

Well now ....this was a totally useless post, eh?

Anyway, I just wanted to check in and say I've got a lot more to say than spilling my personal guts like I did. ...i just like talking a bit too much.

Let me analysis, then I'll chime in, and (being and equal opportunity offender) I'll say what I think, and friend or whatever, it will never sway my comments.

Hope ever one has their blood pressure in check..lol

Hopp

ecuadorjoe
  12/9/2016 17:19 EST

rem.. I agree..

PACountryBoy
  12/9/2016 19:03 EST

CRISTO....The origin, the raison d'etre for it are not important anymore If a community organizer can receive it without having served anything more than a neighborhood trouble maker, who gives a fat rat's a$$? He should have given the money back. If forced to contribute it, he undoubtedly would have given it to "the Muslim Brotherhood. or PLO." What a guy!!!!
: > ))))

PACountryBoy
  12/9/2016 19:12 EST

OCEAN...What the hell are these people talking about? Are you cutting me out just to play with me???? : > (((((

PACountryBoy
  12/9/2016 19:17 EST

JOE, REEM, OCEAN...I can't even figure out what the hell you people are talking about. I haven't lost power, I've paid my bills but it's like I got transported to another level without anyone telling me. : >((((

PACountryBoy
  12/9/2016 19:30 EST

Hopper....Have you been hitting the sauce again? You must not have seen Ocean's last. She had more issues on her last comment than Hillary Clinton's excuses for blowing the coronation. OK, Hopp, you lost me, what are you trying to say?

" I have stronger political options than I come of as having, so I want to see what all has been said. " Hoppy, buddy, you got some bad S##T. Don't try running with scissors or operating any heavy machinery for a while. You may hurt yourself. Or me!!! But come back and see us again, pls.
Merry Christmas! : >))))

kmoriarty45
  12/9/2016 20:30 EST

I am NOT commenting on this, just posting what I picked up on WaPo news, just now....
By Adam Entous, Ellen Nakashima and Greg Miller December 9 at 7:36 PM
The CIA has concluded in a secret assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election to help Donald Trump win the presidency, rather than just to undermine confidence in the U.S. electoral system, according to officials briefed on the matter.

Intelligence agencies have identified individuals with connections to the Russian government who provided WikiLeaks with thousands of hacked emails from the Democratic National Committee and others, including Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman, according to U.S. officials. Those officials described the individuals as actors known to the intelligence community and part of a wider Russian operation to boost Trump and hurt Clinton’s chances.

“It is the assessment of the intelligence community that Russia’s goal here was to favor one candidate over the other, to help Trump get elected,” said a senior U.S. official briefed on an intelligence presentation made to U.S. senators. “That’s the consensus view.”

dumluk
  12/9/2016 20:53 EST

@cristos.........acuerdase mi amigo that the motto of the Mossad is "By way of deception"........Oshun is well trained.......or maybe its just a tribal characteristic............and HOpp.....cmon hombre.........look up at the top of this thread........I didnt start it......Newton did.......and disappeared way back along the way............guess he got scared away early in the game........Hey, some subjects are not for the faint at heart................

nickspm
  12/9/2016 22:30 EST

Laugh it off if you like, the Podesta brothers have already been linked to Madeleine McCann's disappearance in Portugal.

John Podesta has shown great interest in spirit cooking---the grotesque practice of cooking human body fluids. Yes, it's Satanic, but spirit cooking seems to fly under the radar as it can be portrayed as just "performance art," silly. Apparently Hillary thinks spirit cooking is wonderful, too. Tony Podesta likes collecting erotic art pictures of teen boys---not that there's anything wrong with that, apparently.

There is also the young woman that was suicided investigating suspicions of Clinton Foundation sex trafficking in Haiti: Monica Peterson.

I'm surprised that anyone believes a single word of the official line of BS coming from the US corporate mainstream news anymore.

Simply scratch the surface of most "official history" or "official news stories" of the USA and the whole rotten truth comes crashing through that thin veneer of well-polished, sanctimonious BS.

The real investigations will continue regardless of what fake America reports.

Fake America has been producing Fake News for many decades---alternative media busts the whole corrupt brainwashing operation bare.

ecbound
  12/9/2016 22:55 EST

KM, "The consensus view" is just the view the establishment agrees to push. Assange said it was not Russia that hacked Podesta's or the DNC emails.

dumluk
  12/9/2016 23:06 EST

@kmor................As if WaPo has any credibility left to lose, hahahahahahaha..........chit, theyve already admitted to their fraudulent reporting on so called "fake news"..........pls, kmor, dig a little deeper in your quest for accurate information.............I can make a few recommendations........hahahaha........enuff to drive ya to drink............

cristos7
  12/10/2016 03:36 EST

Ya know what's almost so funny? I'm sitting here accidentally watching Charlie Rose, who is wearing an unusually bright sportcoat, while two talking heads from Washington (following McCain, who's devotion to saying the word Democracy is endless...), are absolutely frothing at the mouth about Cyber Warfare:( And whether they are full of sh*t or not, the Internet was built to be open - with chokepoints - and is so extremely maleable & fragile & "unsecure". If today's hackers can shut down the BART in SF, imagine what the hackers of tomorrow will be able to do??? It'll be good to be in the "Developing" World ("Survivor Ecuador";~) when the grids start going down in the Wired World...:(((

cristos7
  12/10/2016 03:48 EST

@ DL - I would like to be your amigo but I think your constant personal attacks upon the religion of a deservedly respected member of this forum are NOT admirable. That she is not "throttling" you speaks volumes in her favor. Chill it out, please?

remoore2001
  12/10/2016 07:19 EST

Country, how can we help? Shall we type slower, one word sentences, or may be all caps to show we are really serious.

remoore2001
  12/10/2016 07:22 EST

Nicky, we're not laughing it off. We're laughing at you.

dumluk
  12/10/2016 10:42 EST

Have you noticed btw that those who most aggressively throw out the FAKE NEWS insinuations are the ones MOST LIKELY to be guilty of it? https://theintercept.com/2016/12/09/a-clinton-fan-manufactured-fake-news-that-msnbc-personalities-spread-to-discredit-wikileaks-docs/

dumluk
  12/10/2016 10:45 EST

Whats this now? Remoore purports to speak for us all? Sorry Reemin but thats not gonna cut it........just speak for yourself..........

nickspm
  12/10/2016 11:50 EST

Ronald,

Laughing at me?

So what's new?

You've never been shy about laughing at me before...

You said that you were a victim of pedophilia, yourself. I doubt it could have been anything but a pretty horrific experience.

Why gloss over this now with a smirk and a chuckle, if something could possibly be done to minimize another child's suffering?

One of the pictures from Comet Pizza showed a very young child with his hands taped to the table in front of him---a weird picture to share with others, no?

Individually, some of the things that have emerged may seem trivial. However, in context, a dark picture emerges.

Most reasonably normal people would find the idea of preparing/cooking human bodily fluids and celebrating this with other as vile, perverse, and disturbing---within the context of current societal norms, anyway.

What you are failing to understand, Ronald, is that Washington DC is a very incestuous place,

Not only is there a revolving door between those in political positions and the lobbying firms, there is also a very cozy relationship among people in political positions that all-too-often have siblings that work corporate-establishment newspapers and websites. Let me simplify it for you.

Citizens are investigating what appears to be a major child-sex ring with Washington DC connections because no one involved in the DC-establishment---the politicians, the lobbyists, the media--- Protection Racket will do it.


The fact that the sketches of Madelaine McCann abductors in Portugal show two men that are dead ringers for John and Tony Podesta is disturbing, too. Perhaps I'm just not hip to your particular brand of zany and whimsical humor. Maybe somebody will have to explain to me what is so funny about kidnapping and child abuse---because as it stands right now, Ronald---I'm just not getting that.

OceanHideaway
  12/10/2016 13:59 EST

By now I am sure everyone has heard that 17 Intelligence agencies in the USA have confirmed that the USA Election that placed Trump into Office was in fact Hacked by the Russians.

This story has been carried on every major news service both USA and International (ie AP, Reuters, BBC, AlJezeera...)

So here´s what happens now? Possibly this

=====================================
Russian Interference Could Give Courts Legal Authority To Install Clinton

12/10/2016 06:28 am ET
Alex Mohajer


In light of late-breaking reports Friday evening that Russians interfered with the 2016 presidential election to assist Donald Trump’s victory, Clinton supporters are furiously in pursuit of remedies.

At 10:45 p.m. Friday evening, the Washington Post broke an explosive story alleging that Russians had interfered with the 2016 presidential election in order to assist Donald Trump in a victory over democratic candidate Hillary Clinton. The story reveals that a CIA assessment detailing this conclusion had been presented to President Obama and top congressional leaders last week.

The development has Clinton supporters and other concerned Americans confused and hot in pursuit of potential remedies. No clear constitutional remedy exists to halt the certification of the outcome. Article II of the U.S. Constitution vests Congress with the power to determine the date by which the Electoral College will cast their votes, presently set for December 19. In recent weeks, a massive online movement asking members of the Electoral College to become “faithless” or “conscientious” electors and to vote for Clinton instead of Trump has garnered national attention.

The electors would be well within their constitutional authority to do so, say groups like Hamilton’s Electors, which claims that the purpose of the Electoral College is to prevent demagogues like Mr. Trump from assuming the nation’s highest office. A petition urging the Electoral College to make Hillary Clinton president has gained nearly 5 million signatures.

Proponents of this strategy are concerned, with good reason, about the likelihood it will succeed. With Donald Trump having won 306 Electoral College votes, 37 Republican electors would need to switch their votes to Clinton, a tall order, and in the event that no one candidate has 270 electoral votes, the decision would go to the Republican-controlled House of Representatives.

Some social media users have begun circulating the phone numbers of various state attorney generals, urging fellow citizens to contact them and request that the Electoral College voters be enjoined from casting their vote until such time that all formal investigations in Russian hacking conclude. Once the electors cast their votes on December 19, they fear, any constitutional means for preventing Trump’s road to the White House will be exhausted.

However, at least one court decision suggests there is some federal authority to invalidate the election outcome after the fact.


In 1995, the U.S. Supreme Court let stand the ruling of a federal district judge in Pennsylvania that invalidated a state senate election and ordered the vacancy be filled by the losing opponent.

The Pennsylvania state senate held a special election in November 1993 to fill a seat that had been left vacant by the death of the previous democratic senator and pitted Republican Bruce Marks against Democrat William G. Stinson for the spot. Stinson was named the winner, but massive fraud was later uncovered that resulted in litigation.

Two of the elected officials who testified in the Pennsylvania case said under oath that they were aware of the fraud, had intentionally failed to enforce laws, and hurried to certify Stinson the winner in order to bury the story. The narrative recalls the Washington Post’s revelation that Republican Mitch McConnell was aware of the CIA’s conclusion that Russians had intervened and opted to do nothing.

In February 1994, after Stinson had already taken office, a federal judge ordered he “be removed from his State Senate office and that [his opponent, Bruce Marks] be certified the winner within 72 hours.”

Stinson appealed to the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit, but ultimately, this was the first known case in which a federal judge reversed an election outcome. In January 1995, the U.S. Supreme Court allowed the ruling to stand.

The high court’s decision to not interfere with the lower court’s ruling indicates at least some federal legal precedent that high courts may rule the outcome of an election invalid due to fraud or interference. Which is to say, that if after Donald Trump assumes office it is shown that Russian hacking (or any fraud, for that matter) robbed Hillary Clinton of the presidency, there is some legal authority on point that implies courts could seat Clinton instead.

Obviously, both the stakes and the office in question are much higher than in the 1994 case. There has been no case of first impression with regards to the presidency being overturned to the wrongful winner’s opponent.

There is also, of course, no constitutional Electoral College process or system in Pennsylvania, so the situations are not exactly analogous. But the reasoning behind the federal court’s decision may hold muster.

It is not clear how the 1994 federal case would impact a presidential election. Furthermore, that case involved the judge throwing out all absentee ballots and requiring the vote be decided only by those ballots cast at the machine, which would be problematic in the case at present.

As of December 9, Clinton has won the national popular vote by more than 2.8 million votes. According to Cook Political Report, the vote count has Clinton approaching 66 million votes, meaning the first female major-party nominee has already earned more votes than any other presidential candidate in history, second only to Barack Obama (the totals suggest she is on course to surpass the president’s 2012 count, as well)..

=====================================
Now as many of you will attest, Trump is claiming that we should all "move-on" and that there is nothing wrong...and of course the CIA and for that matter all of the 17 intelligence agencies are wrong.

This from the man who has attended no more than say 4 briefings given since he claimed victory in the election last month.

Rhe reaction from thse with a bit more savvy?

Retired general Michael Hayden, who served as CIA director during the Bush administration, was critical of Trump's refusal to accept the conclusion of the intelligence community.

"To have the president-elect of the United States simply reject the fact-based narrative that the intelligence community puts together because it conflicts with his a priori assumptions. Wow," Hayden said at an event in Manhattan, according to CNN. "The data matters."

(http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/12/09/washington-post-cia-report-russia-intervened-election/95230696/)

It´s not all buttercups and snowflakes my friends... we all have a rather HUGE problem.

And for those of you on Social Security and Medicare... you might want to pay attention to the latest Republican Bill that was just signed by Ryan.

windshadow
  12/10/2016 14:22 EST

Dumluk,
Why don't you leave Remoor alone? You are just stirring the pot. You keep tugging on Superman's cape and one morning during the early early hours you might just feel a tickle on your nose only to awaken to Remoore pointing a beautifully hand-crafted .45 in your face. That is the way old guys do s**t! Not a bunch of threats....action. Some people think your type of antics are cute and funny, some don't! After all, what do any of us have to lose at our ages? Hate to see anyone get hurt.

windshadow
  12/10/2016 14:39 EST

Ahhh, the democrats are still slobbering in their porridge.
Fake news from who? The same f**Just because she supports every minority jackwad's agenda you have fallen for the bull.
As for Trump, he is showing more and more control and statesmenship than the Clinton's ever did. I am truly surprised.
We know what the Clinton's are, we have know idea what the Don is. He might just surprise all of us.
Now we have this list being compiled by the Cllinton losers.
*Invalidate Electoral College
*Ask for recounts
*Change the rules to popular vote instead of electoral vote
*AGAIN try controlling the press by crying media foul (this one really cracks me up since since everyone knows that Sanders would have been the candidate if allowed to compete in a balanced game)
Now this? 17 agencies agree that the Ruskies hacked the system.
Like all the rest of the garbage that has come out of this election I cry loudly---
B*LLS#lT!

windshadow
  12/10/2016 14:39 EST

Ahhh, the democrats are still slobbering in their porridge.
Fake news from who? The same f**Just because she supports every minority jackwad's agenda you have fallen for the bull.
As for Trump, he is showing more and more control and statesmenship than the Clinton's ever did. I am truly surprised.
We know what the Clinton's are, we have know idea what the Don is. He might just surprise all of us.
Now we have this list being compiled by the Cllinton losers.
*Invalidate Electoral College
*Ask for recounts
*Change the rules to popular vote instead of electoral vote
*AGAIN try controlling the press by crying media foul (this one really cracks me up since since everyone knows that Sanders would have been the candidate if allowed to compete in a balanced game)
Now this? 17 agencies agree that the Ruskies hacked the system.
Like all the rest of the garbage that has come out of this election I cry loudly---
B*LLS#lT!

nickspm
  12/10/2016 15:47 EST

LOL!

Team Trump has nailed it outside of the park once again...


President-elect Donald Trump's transition team questioned the credibility of the CIA late Friday in response to a report the agency found Russia intervened in the election to boost his prospects.

"These are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction," the Trump transition team said in a statement. "The election ended a long time ago in one of the biggest Electoral College victories in history. It’s now time to move on and 'Make America Great Again.'"

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/12/09/washington-post-cia-report-russia-intervened-election/95230696/

remoore2001
  12/10/2016 15:58 EST

Hey dumass can you read. Country was asking ocean, joe and I. Your name wasn't brought up. So no I wasn't speaking for you. I was merely seeing what the people named needed to do for country to understand us better. You I would never speak for, I don't know how to speak biggot

remoore2001
  12/10/2016 16:07 EST

Nick, You actually scare me a little. You've been on this forum for about 7 years and you just get farther and farther out there. You're actually starting to sound a little dangerous. Tell you what, I want comment on any more of your posts if you quit calling me Ronald. You sound strangely like the a$$ hole who used to rape me when I was about 5 yrs old.
Maybe you ought to question yourself on why these really out there stories intrigue you so much. You've gone from being amusing to being very creepy.

remoore2001
  12/10/2016 16:12 EST

Nick, one other thing. You would never be allowed around my grandchildren and I hope if you have any young relatives their parents have taken precautions

ecuadorjoe
  12/10/2016 16:13 EST

WS...jajaja by using drones to kill people...

ecuadorjoe
  12/10/2016 16:37 EST

Hey you all " Secret CIA" BS....

ecuadorjoe
  12/10/2016 16:39 EST

jajajajsja

ecuadorjoe
  12/10/2016 16:43 EST

Good question, but he should realax

ecbound
  12/10/2016 17:31 EST

Remoore, I'm sorry you were victimized. Me too.

PACountryBoy
  12/10/2016 20:33 EST

NICK and REEM...Both you guys are getting"creepy"!!!!!

ecbound
  12/10/2016 22:16 EST

Nick, I just heard a former investigator who's been looking into pizzagat; he found that in Virginia, especially in 3 areas right around DC, there are more missing children reports than in any other states, almost as many as in the states with the largest populations (CA and TX, which have populations that are about 6 times that of virginia). And almost two-thirds of them have no photograph attached to them (around 200 of them with no picture attached in Virginia, as opposed to most states that will only have 2 or 3 with no pictures.). And I saw those police drawings of the two guys suspected of abducting Madelaine, they almost look like photographs of the Podesta brothers! One might be a coincidence, but two? I don't know, there is something going on.

windshadow
  12/11/2016 00:12 EST

History is filled with unimaginable acts of deviant behavior to satisfy the insane acts of some of those that have power and money. Obviously, not all but more than we can even imagine. I guess we should be saying, "why not in the USA, why not anywhere?" Most always where there is smoke, there is fire. Sad!
We live in a crazy world where money pays for anything you can imagine and even for things the normal mind can not.

ecuadorjoe
  12/11/2016 07:38 EST

To all...Associate depressed.."With 52 seats in the U.S. Senate, we are excited for Republicans to confirm a conservative Supreme Court justice and begin working with President-elect Trump to pass an agenda of change for the American people," a statement from Republican National Committee co-chair Sharon Day said.

ecuadorjoe
  12/11/2016 08:08 EST

Another smart one...The CIA's findings that Russia intervened in the 2016 election to help Donald Trump win the presidency are both “stunning and not surprising,” the next leader of Senate Democrats said, raising the need for Congress to conduct a full investigation.
The statement from Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), issued Saturday morning, was in response to a Washington Post story that intelligence agencies have identified individuals with connections to the Russian government who provided WikiLeaks with thousands of hacked emails from the Democratic National Committee to boost Trump and hurt Hillary Clinton's chances. What happened to Chucky's property in Dominican Republic? If I remember correctly some cheating and no taxes paid. Someone please enlighten me re. this fine Dem???

WVolpe3
  12/11/2016 10:37 EST

For those not aware, the election is over. The Clinton crime family lost. Get over it.

ecuadorjoe
  12/11/2016 10:55 EST

WV....jajajajajajajajajaja

dumluk
  12/11/2016 11:26 EST

Clintonite fanatic behind "fake news" b.s. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-10/hard-core-clinton-fanatic-manufactured-viral-fake-news-msnbc-used-discredit-wikileak
And of course the never cease to be discredited WaPo picked up on it.......And Ronald, pls leave Nick alone.....he seems to be one of the more sensible and perceptive and articulate posters on this forum......If anybodies gettin alittle creepy its you........and maybe even W.S. too.........who I previously considered an enlightened person..........Now in so far as Oshun, I think we all know what her agenda is.............and the way things are going here now, she just might end up gettting her way.......Me, I dont much care.....I dont like or trust either one of em.........I see business as usual, profit and war as always as the outcome either way.........The Empire is gonna have to come down hard Im afraid.............

remoore2001
  12/11/2016 13:58 EST

Dum, when you coming? As far as poor nicky and a few others, Give me a break. you can see the excitement in their writing when they get to describe whats supposedly going on with these children, at least in their minds.
You, the Ronald bit was cute but everyone here knows that you being the coward that you are it doesn't really bother me.
You also have to understand that 7 yrs ago Nick was talking about Chemtrails, Monsanto and GMO'S out there but at least somewhat arguable. Now he's drifted to pedophilia rings that are run by powerful people intertwined all over the world. Big leap. Just makes me wonder about the poor guy.
You, what can I say, just an ignorant bigot as all bigots are.

remoore2001
  12/11/2016 14:28 EST

By the way, for all of you who are so excited about these pedophile and satanic charges, go back and research the McMartin preschool satanic pedophile trials and what happened. It sounds like the same script just on a larger scale.

dumluk
  12/11/2016 15:48 EST

@Reamin........pronto posible vecino........tan pronto que tengo un buen cuidador para la casa y los animales..........and if you were a victim of child molestation I would think you would take more interest in this latest scandal that threatens to blow up huge.........not easy tho when TPTB control the MSM and can squash anything that bugs them or that contradicts their agenda.........like the pathetic WaPo or the New York Slimes, owned and run by whom??Umhhhhh..........lemme think aobut [email protected] it eazy amigo.......its all tongue in cheek, or at least most of it..........She goes after me with everything she can, and I do the same with her.........But when shes real quiet then I start get worried.......cuz I have no doubt she does have her contacts in these myriad 17 so called intelligence agents out there...........But hey, Im a trained professional too......Im always on the move......Never sleep in the same place twice..........You can drop me outta of a helipcopter with a pair of board shorts, a Swiss army knife and roll of duct tape........and I will turn up in Iquitos in a few daze with a mighty thirst.............now back to our regular scheduled program.........i mean the Den/Tenn game.........

remoore2001
  12/11/2016 16:54 EST

Dum, believe or no child molestation does not make me who I am, dealt with it many years ago. As far as being interested, I would be if it wasn't being put out there by a bunch of Idiot's. I've read some about it and have seen no proof of any of it. Everytime I see something I also see something that pretty much disproves it. But the idiot squad is not interested in truth. They are only interested in conspiracies. When this one dies they will start a new one
I also have 3 grandchildren who I worry about, but there are plenty of people on this forum who I worry about more than the boogey men that you folks think are out there.
If you know any stats at all on child molestation it is overwhelmingly done by friends or family of the victim. The incidence of child molestation with kid's of my generation is very high.
Another thing, especially with boys being molested there is a great shame factor involved, so mostly only an a$$ hole like you would question it. Kinda makes you about as worth as much as the parent who blames the kid when it happens.
Are you coming to live for awhile in Cotacachi?

Grasshopper
  12/11/2016 17:36 EST

oh yeah.. that's ripe.
Dumass, drop you out of a helo and you'd scream like a 7 year old ...right up until you popped like a water balloon when you landed on your swiss army knife..lol

Seriously? ...maybe you could make some use of the duct tape, if you ever figured out to pull it off the roll.

in other words, "just shut the f**k up"

@Country
don't worry man, they don't let me around scissors these days.. nothing sharper than a crayon or q-tip.

Hopp

ecbound
  12/11/2016 17:41 EST

You got that right, WS

remoore2001
  12/11/2016 18:31 EST

Hopp, I was a crew chief, if he would have been my door gunner I think I could have figured out " help" him out of my helo

dumluk
  12/11/2016 18:49 EST

@Country
don't worry man, they don't let me around scissors these days.. nothing sharper than a crayon or q-tip.
And I would suggest its a damn good thing they dont............hey HOpp, Howz married life? Does it agree with you? I can tell you one thing bro.....it doesnt agree with me......No more paperwork for this indian............jaja........

ecuadorjoe
  12/11/2016 18:52 EST

Rem..Sorry, just how do you define the "Idiot Crew"? All of us labeled as "Redneck Riviera"?

dumluk
  12/11/2016 19:02 EST

@Remoore or less.........well Nick seems to care and be aware and all you do is cast aspersions towards him for his insight into the problem. The fact that you do not YET recognize that the problem does reach to the highest levels does not mean its not true.......there is tons of information on the subject matter if you have the energy and/or desire to look into it........As far as chemtrails and GMO´s.......the fact that you dont see the issue just goes to show that you havent really investigated it......Geo engineering has long been a fact of life..........As far as living in Cotacachi, noooooo........not my style.......nice little colonial town, dont get me wrong......good place to buy a belt or a leather jacket if you like hangin out in high cold places.........Nooooo, Im tropical, and Cotacachi wouldnt work for me........I need warmth, and movement, and agua de pipa to make my cocolocos..........btw, did you ever run into a French guy by the name of Pascal who bought a 3.5 hect finca up there after leaving Panama, and was really enthusiastic about Ecuador until reality set in, and he started having problems with the Indigenous folks who control the water sources up there........they were trying to extort money out of him so he could continue to have access to the water rights.........He got really frustrated and angry and then I stopped hearing from him......doesnt speak English much so I doubt if you could communicate with him.....We always spoke in Spanish.........nice guy tho, almost bought my finca here......my guess is you walk around with your head up your ass most of the time and dont really pay much attention to whats goin on around you......Butttttttt.........I could be wrong.........

windshadow
  12/11/2016 19:49 EST

Remoore,
What years were you in Viet nam?

Grasshopper
  12/11/2016 20:02 EST

Remmy,
You're right.. most child abuse/molestation does, regrettably, involve a family member or trusted friend. This has got to amplify the damage done to the kid greatly, on top of the horrendous act itself.

It is the lowest of the low who could even consider this, much less carry it out.

We have zero zero minus zero tolerance for such things here (and I hope it is the same in most places).

One of the toughest, scariest and dead serious biker groups here and not the Outlaws, Southern Gentlemen or Hells Angles... It is my friends, the GOC.. - Guardians Of the Children.

My scuffed up helmet has a lot of stickers, from a lot of places. But the one across the front, the most important one and one we all wear says it all..

Harm a Child, Deal With Me

Children are to be cared for, loved and protected.. anyone who thinks they can rationalize any actions against a child. Well..

God help them, because we sure as hell won't.

Hopper

dumluk
  12/11/2016 20:27 EST

The CIA Lacks Conviction.........What a joke......anybody who believes that story, I have a bridge for sale....and Im no big Trump fan......like I said, If I was forced to vote from a big scary dumb dude like Remy at the point of a gun, then yes, I would vote for Trump........As I said, I would have voted for Crackhead Kenny on the border before the Clinton crime cartel.......but anyway back to biz; http://www.globalresearch.ca/russias-involvement-in-the-email-leaks-the-cias-absence-of-conviction/5561721

Grasshopper
  12/11/2016 20:48 EST

Well Dumass..
I married my very best friend. We dated for 7 years first.
We cook together. We travel together.

Sometimes we just sit and watch the sunrise and hold hands.

Those are the important things. It doesn't hurt that she's a 5'10" drop dead gorgeous blonde - that's only a bonus. It is who we are together that matters. The Yin to my Yang.

So to answer you, it suits me just fine... sorry it doesn't work for you.

But then... I am Grasshopper, and you are not.

H

dumluk
  12/11/2016 21:12 EST

Hey Reumy, what do you think of Gundersen? Was he full of chit too? Or is it possible that you just havent been payin enuff attention? http://yournewswire.com/former-fbi-chief-exposes-illuminati-satanism-pedophile-rings/

remoore2001
  12/11/2016 21:32 EST

Dum, alot of those indigenous are my friends. They could teach you a thing or two about manners. When you tell me that just because I don't believe things don't make it wrong, goes the other way too. Just because you believe stupid doesn't make it right. Sorry you don't like the mountains ,but I'm sure that the inferior indians that live here would bother you. But fear not I also have alot of friends in the Manta area who would be happy to pick you up at the airport and help you get to your destination. Let me know I will help you out.

dumluk
  12/11/2016 21:37 EST

@Hopp......Sunrise???? You get up THAT early.........Wouldnt the sunset be more comfortable? Man, what a sunset we had right here tonite.......after the rains......everything washed clean.....no chemtrails, (haha) Youre a lucky dude Hopp..........I wish ya the best.............now pls do me a favor and stfu...........jajaja........

remoore2001
  12/11/2016 21:39 EST

Wind, did I say I was?

remoore2001
  12/11/2016 21:53 EST

Wind, you asked a fair question. I didn't. I served in the Fulda gap Germany, 1971 1974 in the 11th ACR. Don't think I ever said otherwise.

Grasshopper
  12/11/2016 22:57 EST

Jaja.. well, DL, I had that one coming i suppose.

...i did "JSTFU" one time. ...but then it was really quiet and I got bored.

(yeah, I do sometimes talk to myself... well, usually I ask questions.. then when I answer myself, I no longer wonder what it is I was wondering about)

No, it isn't because I'm insane. ...i mean, I am, of course - it's just not why I do it.

Anyway, thanks for the well wishes. I know, marriage is a difficult thing. This is my 3rd. My first was in 87 to a woman who I played with often (music) and has the voice of an angel. We had lots in common.

#2 was in 2000 and actually had been my girlfriend back when we were teenagers in the 70s. We ran into each other all those years later, and she still had a box with every letter and card I had ever given her way back then... (a bit creepy now that I reflect on it). We also had a lot in common.

I am very good friends with both.. just didn't work out.

This time - it is strange.. we have nearly nothing in common... and maybe that's the key. She makes up the parts I lack, and vice versa. So, (as sappy as it sounds) we make a whole that is greater than the sum of its parts.

Anyway, chicks always want to "get with" the guitar player. Or, they say, "oh, take me on a ride on that bike." ..always something lacking in those tristes ..even if they were fun.

But this one? She wasn't a "groupie" and rarely came to my shows.
...and the Harley? ..couldn't have been any less interested.
It was a year and a half before she ever even got on the damn thing for a ride.

....and she didn't give a damn that I was this "Grasshopper" person. (If you lived around here, that would make more sense). and insists on calling me "Jim" ..which I hate, lol.

So, it was refreshingly real.

While I can't give you any advice - and yeah, I know, you didn't ask for any.. I will recommend one thing, man.

Do not go up in a chopper with Remmy... jaja. might not be wise.

We have few vets on here. We're all different people, but in general, vets have this unspoken understanding that we have in common, and we don't normally attempt to explain ourselves to civilians... it's kind of like when a there's a couple of people who have done their share of acid.. One might look at the other and say, "uh-huh" ...and the other just says, "yep" ...while anyone else around has no idea wtf they mean, and never ever will.

It is like that with Ayahausca. My indigenous friends and I can look at each other and simply nod. Some things are just beyond the realm of human ability to convey - our language is infinitely lacking when it comes to understanding some things..

But, I digress ...i found my scissors, so I need to run very fast to the studio and cut some paper or something.

Remmy, you know I wasn't in Nam. You've got about 10 years on me. But, all of you guys have my utmost respect.
...and that goes for your father as well. He was a hero, and I regret greatly what the gentleman went through after.

Peace
Hopp

Grasshopper
  12/11/2016 23:03 EST

@Rem
My mistake about Nam. But it doesn't take away from what I said.
That was a messed up time for all of you... no matter where you were stationed.

We came back to an entirely different reception than you did
It didn't erase what we did - but at least it did not add insult to injury.

H

windshadow
  12/11/2016 23:05 EST

I just assumed you were in VN. Sorry for the mistake. Germany would have been a cool tour I imagine.

remoore2001
  12/11/2016 23:42 EST

Oh com on dum. Come to the mountains.

dumluk
  12/12/2016 01:32 EST

As usual Reumy, reading more into what I said than what I meant......I said nothing or meant nothing about indigenous being inferior. In fact, I consider those Otavaleno indigenous to be pretty damn superior.......Highest level best organized indigenous Ive ever come across.........Altho we Cherokee havent done too bad for ourselves............Im just saying that my French friend was a victim of some fork tongued Indig up there in Cotacachi..........crooks come in all shapes, sizes, colors and creeds........as you would know if you were paying attention..........

ecuadorjoe
  12/12/2016 14:39 EST

They don't give up. Election is over and B.S. is just that. Hillary Clinton’s former campaign chairman and current adviser says that the campaign backs demands from 10 members of the Electoral College to receive an intelligence briefing on conclusions about whether foreign governments intervened in the election.
“The bipartisan electors' letter raises very grave issues involving our national security,” John Podesta said in a statement Monday according to Politico. “Electors have a solemn responsibility under the Constitution and we support their efforts to have their questions addressed.”
The letter posted on Medium Monday morning also said that the electors “will separately require from Donald Trump conclusive evidence that he and his staff and advisors did not accept Russian interference, or otherwise collaborate during the campaign, and conclusive disavowal and repudiation of such collaboration and interference going forward.”

dumluk
  12/12/2016 21:54 EST

"Germany would have been a cool tour I imagine"........hahaha......what a bunch of B.S........a no risk tour maybe..........Ruemy missed all the action...........and now that hes a grandpa hes trying to make up for it...........The big badass gringo of Cotacachi that nobody fooks with........hahahahaha............

dumluk
  12/13/2016 20:53 EST

Simon Black of Sovereign Man, ex-intelligence officer chimes in on the subject of the bogus Russian hackjob: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-13/former-intelligence-officer-bogus-russian-hack

ecbound
  12/14/2016 00:05 EST

Thanks for the article, DL. That sums it up nicely. By the way, several intelligence people have come forward to say there is no proof that it was Russia. And, the FBI said the same. This is so obviously politically motivated that it's embarrassing.

ecbound
  12/14/2016 00:43 EST

DL, I saw this clip by Gunderson before. It doesn't matter what is said, or who says it, a lot of people will only believe something if it's in the mainstream media.

nickspm
  12/14/2016 01:56 EST

ecbound,

That's largely true, but let's assume the fakestream corporate media screws up and actually broadcasts information that isn't supposed to be seen by the general public---something along the lines of Operation Gladio(US and European sponsored terrorism carried out across western Europe on innocent members of the general public shopping in grocery stores and waiting at train stations).

In that case, many of the 'True Believers' of the evening broadcast news may actually assume the story to be mistakenly erroneous: fake news.

It comes down to that idea of cognitive dissonance. People freak out when one piece of information doesn't fit in with everything else they know and can accept.

The point is you can't get someone to accept something intellectually, if that person can't accept it psychologically.

The captives of the mainstream corporate fake news have been lied to so long that they no longer really know which way is up. In classic Stockholm-Syndrome behavior the captives are never able to break free from their captors---and will defend them to the death. The captives are so convinced they are right that anyone that says otherwise must be stupid, crazy, or tin-hat wearing conspiracy nut.

PACountryBoy
  12/16/2016 19:59 EST

DUM....Simon nailed it. I am sooooooo sick of the "fake news". The media is doing everything possible to keep it alive....just like "Hands Up, Don't Shoot!" NEVER FREAKIN' HAPPENED! THX, amigo! OH, just hit me about the hypocrisy ... Obama taking shots at the Russians for trying to influence an election of a foreign country, How much did Obama spend trying to influence the presidential election in Israel?, Was it $6,000,000 or $8,000,000.? I can't remember off hand. Come on Jan 20th!!! : >))))

OceanHideaway
  12/17/2016 02:47 EST

Excellent examples PAC...

However, you missed the part of the lesson where you provide examples and citations. Here let me provide you with the follow-up.

Ferguson "hands up"

"Now that black lives matter to everyone, it is imperative that we continue marching for and giving voice to those killed in racially charged incidents at the hands of police and others. But we must never allow ourselves to march under the banner of a false narrative on behalf of someone who would otherwise offend our sense of right and wrong. And when we discover that we have, we must acknowledge it, admit our error and keep on marching. That’s what I’ve done here."

Jonathan Capehart March 16, 2015
Washington Post
Jonathan Capehart is a member of the Post editorial board and writes for the PostPartisan blog. Subscribe to his podcast Cape UP, available on iTunes and Stitcher. Follow @capehartj

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/03/16/lesson-learned-from-the-shooting-of-michael-brown/?utm_term=.f552fda4a71b

And Israel´s Netanyahu and his relationship with the USA and Obama

Netanyahu slams criticism of record US aid deal to Israel as ‘ingratitude’
HERB KEINON 09/18/2016 12:02

Criticism of the $38 billion military aid package signed with the US last week shows ingratitude to Israel’s strongest and best friend, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said at the start of Sunday’s weekly cabinet meeting.

The comment came in the wake of criticism that had he handled the relationship with US President Barack Obama with more finesse, Israel could have received substantially more aid under much better terms. Former prime minister Ehud Barak has been the most vocal in this criticism, slamming Netanyahu for the deal in an op-ed last week in The Washington Post.

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Netanyahu-slams-criticism-of-record-US-aid-deal-to-Israel-as-ingratitude-468028

From this you might learn two things.

First... double check your references and tag lines because, pretty much you are a day late and a dollar short... not convincing to your arguments

Second... Even Fo News is now on the bandwagon. Yup, the Russians manipulated the whole thing.

And you poor fools fell for it.
Nice work comrades...

But at least now we know the answer to when, again, as in "Make America Great Again" it seems to be the Cold War Era.

OceanHideaway
  12/17/2016 10:42 EST

And because we like to keep the news nice and fresh...

The latest from the #TwitInChief

This from our friends in India with a very local take on the latest #unpresidented tweet...

This one directed at China --

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/us-president-elect-donald-trump-mispells-unprecedented-in-a-tweet-on-china-twitter-roars/articleshow/56038083.cms?TOI_browsernotification=true

You have to go see yourself or just search the hashtag #unpresidented

Now normally typos are just a thing. I make them all the time. I am sure my legions of followers could pull up a whole slew.

Currently, I have a program attached that checks my spelling and grammar. It helps a lot especially as some keys are now sticking.

So normally going easy on someone for typos is the norm in the cyber world. I mean my problems with affect and effect are legendary!

...who am I to judge?

Well, I am an American Citizen and I hold the President to a higher level especially when communicating with say, the entire world.

At the very least... if they can´t wrench that Android out of his hands before the 20th of next month, could someone in his entourage put Grammarly on the thing? Really! HIs "intelligence" is showing and it isn´t pretty.

FYI: You folks do know there are 2 Twitter Accounts, one comes in on an iPhone, the other on an Android. Guess who´s phone is the Android device. Yeah the one with the 3:00 am tweets like this one..

Have a lovely morning campers and if you are in the USA;, may G-d be merciful.

I´m off to the beach.

dumluk
  12/17/2016 13:42 EST

@Oshun.......I really dont know why you make such a big deal out of Trump for....Nothing is really gonna change anyway.......The Trump Administration will continue to serve Israel like every other American administration.......I suspected that and its now been confirmed......Im glad I didnt vote for him and I sure as h#$ wasnt gonna vote for the Clinton Crime Family........If it was up to me Id give the place back to the Palestinians............who lived there peacefully with Jews and Christians, long before the Ashkenazis showed up with surveying equipment............so relax.......nothing important changes........its a good idea to go to the beach............but the river is closer....

ecuadorjoe
  12/17/2016 16:39 EST

DL... She sold her country of Israel to Obumba and the arabs.. AndHappy Christmas... Money is important ant to Ex. U.S . Jews and nothing else..

OceanHideaway
  12/17/2016 18:38 EST

... And who can argue with that?

I think we're all indebted to Ecuador Joe for clearly stating what needed to be said.

I'm particulary glad that these lovely children were here today to hear that speech.

Not only was it authentic frontier gibberish, it expressed a courage little seen in this day and age.

...



(with thanks to MBrooks & RPryor)

Buddhaland
  12/17/2016 23:39 EST

How is this "stuff" appropriate for a forum on Eucuador? There are plenty of other places for bigots to hang out.

Buddhaland
  12/17/2016 23:39 EST

How is this "stuff" appropriate for a forum on Eucuador? There are plenty of other places for bigots to hang out.

dumluk
  12/18/2016 00:16 EST

Hahahahahahahaha........just what I needed before turning in............a good laff.......Happy to see yur sense of humor is very much intact..........

PACountryBoy
  12/18/2016 11:55 EST

OCEAN....LOL....you just can't let it go , can you, Buttercup? 1) Michael Brown was a punk who robbed a store to get "Sweets" to make his "weed" taste better, tried to steal a cops weapon. bull-rushed said cop and got shot in the top of his head. Two separate autopsies verified that his partner in crime had lied about "Hands Up Don't Shoot"....never happened...and FYI....ALL lives matter, even Blue ones. 2) All that said, it does not alter the fact that Obama tried to alter Israel's election and frankly, I am stunned that former P.M. Barak would have had ANY criticism of Netanyahu. : >))) Yea right 3) Yesterday even Director Brennen backed off the fake Russian hacking fable and then Loretta Lynch said she did not find any proof that it had occurred....perhaps concerned that her own dirty laundry may come out in the investigative wash. So keep those slanted sources coming but I think Michelle said it for all the Snow Flakes, "Hope is Dead!" Waaaa... Waaaa...Waaaa. NO MAN LEFT BEHIND.

ecuadorjoe
  12/18/2016 16:39 EST

PAC...he wasn't even Jewish, but she sold the Israelis with her dem. friends no doubt only for money. And many Israeli lives were lost... LOL... Sorry I bi polar is what it is!!!

Grasshopper
  12/18/2016 16:58 EST

The opening line of the article by this "former intel. officer" DL linked from Zerohedge===

>"If there’s one thing that’s certain in the intelligence business, it’s that there’s rarely any certainty.

That’s pretty much the first thing they teach you at spy school."<

well.. that's the dumbest thing I've heard all day.
...and since I am watching the movie, Anchorman, right now, it's not like there's a current void in "dumb sh!t" available in my personal space

...just sayin'
Hopp

OceanHideaway
  12/18/2016 20:09 EST

PACountry...

SInce you seem to like things numbered:

1. Obviously by your reply you didn´t actually read what I posted

2. You might want to confirm your sources. What you wrote about bothe the AG and the Director are false.

I suggest NPR

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/fbi-backs-cia-conclusion-russian-hacking-motive-says-brennan-message/

... Hopp careful, you are blowing your cover ... that was a much too intelligent post.

Ecuadorjoe... the ricochet on those stones is wicked...

And for those who are actually following along at home, a letter arrived from an old school chum. That would be the Senator from Wisconsin, Tammy Baldwin.

Friend,

Donald Trump brazenly refused to release his tax returns during his presidential campaign.

He left the American people in the dark about the extent of his problematic conflict of interests abroad, and now he’s nominating members to his cabinet with the same potentially insidious entanglements.

Wisconsinites and all Americans deserve to know whether Trump’s closest advisers are working for us or for the benefit of their former bosses on Wall Street. That’s why I’m joining Senate Democrats and demanding that Trump’s cabinet give the American people the transparency we deserve.

I hope I can count on you to join us. Please sign our petition today. Demand that Trump’s cabinet nominees release their tax returns.

Trump has nominated people to his cabinet who have forged relationships with foreign governments in order to enrich their companies and personal wealth. Other have amassed dizzying fortunes in industries for which they will now be in charge of regulating.

Secretary of State nominee Rex Tillerson forged deals with Vladimir Putin and defied State Department policies to cut deals with foreign governments while he was CEO of ExxonMobil. He’s accumulated $290 million in stock and pension rights.

Gary Cohn, who was tapped to head his National Economic Council owns stock in Goldman Sachs that’s worth more than $200,000.

Even though federal employees have to sever financial ties to their former companies, we need to know exactly what they’ve earned, where they’ve earned it, and whether or not they’ve paid taxes on their fortunes.

All cabinet-level nominees must go through a full vetting process. It’s critical that their tax returns are submitted for review. Tell all U.S. Senators to implement this critical rule change.

Thank you,

Tammy

If you would like to sign this petition here is the link

https://www.signherenow.org/petition/cabinet-tax-returns/baldwin/

TO ALL U.S. SENATORS:

Trump-administration Cabinet-level nominees will play a key role in determining future U.S. economic, domestic and foreign policies. In order to perform an exhaustive vetting process for these nominees, it is critical that each submit the last three years of their tax returns to the appropriate Senate committees. In January, when you set the rules for the new session of Congress, require that all Cabinet-level nominees submit their tax returns.

U.S. Senate Democrats have announced a plan to require all Cabinet-level nominees of the new Trump administration to submit the last three years of their tax returns prior to confirmation hearings.

Throughout the presidential campaign, Donald Trump refused to release his tax returns, leaving the American people in the dark about potential conflicts of interest. Now, President-elect Trump has nominated a team of Wall Street bankers, billionaires, campaign contributors and cronies to key Cabinet positions.

The American people deserve to know whether Donald Trump's team will work for all of us, or only for the wealthy and well-connected. Do these nominees pay all the taxes they owe or abuse tax loopholes? Do they keep their earnings in the U.S. or hide them in offshore tax havens?

All Cabinet-level nominees must go through a full vetting process, in part to determine whether they have any conflicts of interest. Senate review of their tax returns should be a part of that process. Tell all U.S. Senators to implement this critical rule change when the new Senate convenes in early January.

Tammy Baldwin
U.S. Senator from Wisconsin
Sherrod Brown
U.S. Senator from Ohio
Kirsten Gillibrand
U.S. Senator from New York
Patty Murray
U.S. Senator from Washington
Ron Wyden
U.S. Senator from Oregon

Buddhaland
  12/18/2016 22:19 EST

Isn't there a mechanism for you three or four folks who are actually interested in each other's opinions (which have nothing to do with life in Ecuador) to do so privately, just between yourselves? I can assure you that nobody outside your small circle gives a rat's culo about your beefs with each other or attempts at cleverness. And personally, I am tired of wading through it each time I receive an update. I am guessing I am nowhere near alone in this.

remoore2001
  12/18/2016 23:34 EST

dude, this is the bottom forum. Nasty like a knife fight.
You have to realize that Dum, Joe and probably country will post dumb racist crap, they have no other place to go.
You also must understand that Dum is a coward, Joe hates everyone and country is an idiot.
So come here and be aware

Grasshopper
  12/19/2016 08:59 EST

Yeah, what Remmy said, lol.

This is the "mosh pit"
There is nice disclaimer right up at the top of the forum.

...and, it is a bit light on the matter, lol.. but accurate

(Unlike Dumass' posted fables)

(...or 80? of what I say)

....but, we do know about rum and sometimes weed. So, if we can help, grab your band aids and jump in

Hopp

OceanHideaway
  12/19/2016 14:08 EST

Bhuddaland

You can opt out of any thread you are receiving messages for.

Go to your Orange Buttons on the top of the main Ecuador forum

Open MY PROFILE

Then click on the Blue Button PREFERENCES

Scroll down to FORUM SUBSCRIPTIONS

and edit any of the threads you do not wish to receive notice on.

In the alternative, you can simply pass by this thread.

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dumluk
  12/20/2016 09:13 EST

Hahahaaaaa..........But Remmy is such a fine, upstanding, fair minded and generous gringo.........who essentially never offers anything of particular interest or use, and takes pleasure in insulting anybody who comes within reach, no importa their face, creed or color......He truly is an undiscriminating offender............and has never really gotten past the adolescent stage of life......unlike HOpper who is now progressing nicely, jaja...........

Grasshopper
  12/20/2016 10:40 EST

Oh no you don't... Unh-uh.

You're not dragging me into adulthood!

(I'm a Toys R Us kid... lol)

Merry Festivous!
Hopp

dumluk
  12/23/2016 15:13 EST

Well, after an award winning 501 posts, it seems that this controversial thread has, like all things must, run its natural course.........I wonder if Newton ever came back to see all the fuss he started, haha........Yáll have a muy feliz Navidad y Ano Nuevo prospero...............If I can ever get my car fixed and a reliable caretaker in my casa/finca then I will cruise on down that way via Colombia........I´ll be so nice, you wont ever recognize me.........

standg
  12/28/2016 09:55 EST

Sorry, but just calling the Russian hacking a fable, when both the FBI and the CIA agree that it was the Russians doing the hacking, indicates that you are one of the feeble minded, Fox News is fair and balanced, beleive everything that you read on the internet, too dumb to know you are dumb, arrogant because you think you have finally won something because you elected an idiot that told you you were right to be afraid of everything and that you should distrust the people smarter than you (AKA liberals), that got duped into voting for him. Have you noticed how many people (including cabinet appointments) that have ties to Russian business? Do you agree with dumb ass donald that Putin is a great leader? Do you find it odd that those speak out in opposition to him end up dying. Check out this website next time you read that Hillary is running a child sex ring in Haiti or in a pizza parlor in the U.S. It is disparaged by the alt-right (as any truth that doesn't support the Mexicans, Jews, Blacks, etc are the reason you can't get ahead is disparaged by them), but it is universally accepted as the most trusted site for exposing false news, rumors, or just urban legends. It is snopes.com. Next read the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich for the parallels to our recent election. I am not saying d, will put anyone in concentration camps, but he did play on the fears of the people to get into power. it is mind-boggling how utterly ignorant people had to be to believe he would build a 2,000 mile wall and make the Mexicans pay for. Don't hold your breath waiting for construction to begin. Educate yourself, and learn to stand up to fears like a man.

ecuadorjoe
  12/28/2016 11:55 EST

Stan, I missed you. What rock were you hiding under. Merry Christmas...

dumluk
  12/28/2016 22:12 EST

Damn, stndng, I do believe youre takin this beating harder than Hilliarity..........But dont feel alone, Oshuns takin it pretty hard too..........jeez hombre, its not like there was a choice.......There was just nobody to vote for...........now get a life.....get back to work......do somethin for somebody besides whinin like a liberal..............and btw, maybe one of the few things I do agree with Trump on, is that Putin is indeed a great leader.....no saint mind you.....but an intelligent and decisive leader who has been very good for Russia.......I personally have no problem with Russia being a great nation........I wish them all the best.......They may be on par or close militarily but they got a lot of catchin up to do, and Putin knows it......and does not wanna be sidetracked from his main mission........But the primary troublemakers never sleep..........They just plot and conspire 24/7..............May they find their designated bench in Hell............

nickspm
  12/29/2016 02:05 EST

standg,

I don't understand why you trust the FBI and CIA at all. Both organizations have been involved in carrying out assassinations and terrorist attacks in the US for years.

What are you talking about with Fox News? The network was not supportive of Donald Trump, still Trump won.

Of course Putin is a good leader. He is strong and puts Russia first. If Trump can do business with the Russians internationally, good for him. Do you really want to go back to the era of the Cold War?

Snopes.com is a silly site that dismisses any notion that doesn't fit into conventional corporate thinking.

It exists---like Wikipedia---to reassure Joe Sixpack that no fresh thinking is required to understand this complex world---everything is just as corporate America tells you it is, honest!

Hey, if you work real hard, you too, can be another cookie-cutter American that doesn't question anything ever.

mootpoint20
  1/5/2017 16:37 EST

How many of these 500 writers fled America after the Presidential election?

windshadow
  1/6/2017 18:37 EST

Well, today the Congress certified the election results. I know this will come as a big surprise, DONALD TRUMP won the election.
If you don't like it, take it up with the Congress. I, for one, am really tired of hearing the rest of you complaining. If you wanted to win you should have picked a better candidate, voted, and vetted the candidate for past criminal activity. lol For better or for worse Senior Donald Trump will be president if someone doesn't prevent it.

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