Hello, I know this may not be what you want to hear, but please don't doubt yourself! This guy is doing what too many men in Egypt do; attempting to get money dishonestly. For some reason this society feels that it's ok to get money however you can; if you are poor, it's ok to steal. If you don't have a job.. it's ok to be fraudulent. If your job doesn't pay much, it's ok to steal extra money from customers, especially tourists and foreigners. I've lived here two years and had my wallet stolen twice. I daily battle the merchants over their "special discounts" for foreign tourists. No matter how long I live here I will never make peace with the abject meanness and back stabbing ways of the general population. Please consider that this guy did you a favor and move on; nothing you could have done would make him truly love you... love is a commodity for sale here. It's so sad, because there are some REALLY nice Egyptian people, however most of what you will meet are desperados who act like parasites on fresh meat. By the way, BOTH times my wallet was stolen in the women's tram car by one of the HOLY women wearing Naqabi. Lying, Cheating, Stealing... that's the way too many people here deal with life... it gives Egypt a VERY BAD name! I have decided I can't fight it or live with the stress of it anymore... I'm just going home... USA, even though it's not all that... at least I speak the language and know the rules... the price is the same for everyone there and it's clearly marked on every item for sale! It will be a very long time before Egypt will be right again.... just thank God you didn't buy the property he asked you to buy... then he would marry you, take the property because it's his right... by the way, you would be his property too... and then divorce you for some stupid reason... and he and the wifey poo his family had arranged for him would be just too happy with the profit. God did you a favor... keep it that way!

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READING YOUR EMAIL I WENT BACK TO WHEN I MET MY HUSBAND ALSO AN EGYPTIAN. TRUE, MONEY IS A BIG PART OF THEIR LIVES BUT AS YOU GET TO KNOW THEM BETTER THROUGH THE YEARS ALL THAT YOU HAVE SPENT ON THEM THEY WILL SPEND ON YOU WHEN THEY ARE IN THE FOOTING TO DO THAT. REMEMBER MANY OF THESE GUYS JUST WANT TO GET OUT OF THEIR WAY OF LIVING. THEY HAVE TO ALSO SHOW TO THEIR FAMILY THAT YOU ARE WORTHY OF MARRIAGE AS YOU ARE FINANCIALLY STABLE. BUT ONCE YOU GET MARRIED THAT CHANGES CAUSE YOU AFRE NOW HIS WIFE AND HE WILL DO EVERYTHING TO PROTECT AND HELP YOU. IT TAKES SOME TIME TO UNDERSTAND THEIR WAY OF LIFE AND THERE INTENTIONS BUT FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN AND EXPERIENCED THEY MEAN NO HARM. THEY JUST EXPRESS THEIR EMOTIONS DIFFERENTLY. I TOOK ME 5 GOOD YEARS TO PERFECT HOW HE FEELS AND HOW HE EXPRESSES HIMSELF. WE MARRIED 14 YEARS NOW. AND WHEN I THINK BACK IT IS WORTH IT.

GOOD LUCK IF YOU EVER LOOKING FOR EGYPTIAN LOVE MY HUSBAND HAS A FEW GOOD FRIENDS HERE IN SOUTH AFRICA AND THEY ARE GENUINE.


ALIYA

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I agree with you a 100% in all that you say!!!! Perhaps there are some honest and good people there as in every country there is good AND bad!!! I am from then USA and a woman....real "targets" for anyone and everyone there to take advantage. Its just the culture and I assume suvival of the fittist so to speak.....believe me....I've been to Egypt...lived in Cairo for a year too. So different when you live there and I've also been there with an "Orfi" as well!!!!! BEEN USED AND ABUSED...NOT PHYISICALY BUT ITS ALL THE SAME!! I could write a book. I went many, many times as a tourist to Cairo!!!! Good Luck to all women who travel there...for whatever reason!!!!! I miss Cairo very much...but don't miss their games!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Dear habibah, alaliya, and dancers,

Thanks a million for your response. Sorry about this late reply, but I have sent you private message.

Many thanks
Umauma

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I am married to an Egyptian. I have NEVER heard of a foreign woman having to give out money as a sign of affection. Who ever told you that is a crock of shiot! I never had to spend money on my husband and all the money I have is mine. He never asks me for it. He provides for me. I also married into an upper class. Both his parents are doctors. Girl, don't sweat it...he isn't w
orth getting upset about.

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stop your silly comments about the egyptian good men , no need to marry any of them
just visit egypt without knowing any man , it is better, better to marry your men instead

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First, I would like to apologize for any offensive comments, or any unpleasant situation, that any of you had passed through during her stay in Egypt. Thank you as well for your time reading through my message. I am Egyptian, living in Cairo.

As much as Egypt can be a rewarding experience as much as it is challenging. Cultural difference between Egypt and western countries is too way far. Not that, any one of them is right or wrong but it is just simply different with all its cons and prons, as much as anywhere else in the world, has its own culture, cons and prons.
If you might allow me, for all of your experiences, you all have met the wrong guys in the right places. As I may assume, you have all met your guys in a touristic place, or a field or profession, related to it. Unfortunately in your cases, those are not the common Egyptians, and as much as there is a cultural difference between western countries and oriental countries and cultures, as much there is a huge difference between Egyptian guys. Most (not all) of the Egyptian guys, working or living in the touristic gathering areas, like Luxor, Aswan, Sharm El sheikh, or even in Cairo in the same like places, have different social, cultural and educational backgrounds. You would find this far different if you met a guy, who works, or live in a different area, or has a different cultural or social background. Like it would be totally different if you met a guy working in the IT field, or banker, marketing, or you name anything else other than tourism, and who has been raised and lived in an urban city. Which I might assume is Jessica’s case “Blessing and happiness forever”.
These unfortunately, are unpleasant situations, that happens in anywhere in the world, and they all depend on whom you met and where?
Exactly, the same like, when I was once in Poland for example, and I was walking down the street late at night (8 pm- that’s considered late there!!!! Different culture, no?) with a polish girl, when we accidentally passed by skin heads in front of a bar? I am a dark complexion guy BTW, like big percent of Egyptians? Can any of you imagine what happened when they saw a white polish girl walking down the street with a dark foreign guy????, should I declare that Poland is a bad country or discriminatory country?, no I did not, because simply I was in the wrong time, with the wrong person (for them), at the wrong place. It is not Poland’s mistake.
When I was in England, very near to Hyde Park square, and it was a real hot day, un preceded in the History of England (that’s when they declared that railways and trains are having problems because of the temperature) and everybody were outside in the street in their break time, and everybody was almost dying in the park out of the temperature rise, when I crossed by three youth, were almost naked out in the street, and for me of course this temperature was not that much of a big deal, and when I crossed by them, appearing that I am not suffering of the temperature, can any one believe what types of words had I heard????
Do you believe that my mothers’ in Law brief case, was opened and robbed in Karastad in Germany, while we were sitting having lunch?
I have traveled a lot by the way, and I do have experiences in almost all my places, but still I can not blame neither the people nor the countries simply because in everywhere in the world, there are the whole mixture of human nature, there are the good and the bad, human natures are the same all over because we are the same. Culture is different yes, but what happened to any of you, is not the Egyptian culture, this is an attitude of human beings and this is the same all over the world. I personally know an American lady, living in the US, who had suffered in her life of three different experiences, with all American guys, making use of her and of her family’s money just because she is a well off and kind person. Still I can not say this is a matter of persons attitude, not culture, and not country.

Anyways, my real sorrow for your all unpleasant situations, but always remember, this is not the common case in anywhere, it is only an individual attitudes. Many of you might have been robbed in your own countries before, many of you, might have had the wrong experience and made used of with a boyfriend before for a reason or another back at your countries (does not have to be a money problem, but definitely there would be some reason). It is just because this might have happened due to some common reason back at your country, it is not that much emphasized for any of you.

Life is a whole lot bunch of experiences; we should enjoy the bright side and learn from the dark one.
Take care all, regards

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You couldn't have said it any better. My husband was raised outside of egypt but not stateside. He's lived in Alex for a while now. He has nothing to do with the tourist sites. I hear about this situation a lot but most of the women fail to understand that these men they meet are directly involved in or have associations with the tourist trade. Take care girls and remember, if it is unacceptable in your own country, it is usually the same in other countries too!

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Thank you, Jessica and all for sharing your thoughts.

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They are dishonest men every where not only in Egypt.
I am Algerian French and i am married to an Egyptian.
We married on October 2009!! I was lucky my husband is not a football fan :) :) just kidding but true he doesn't watch football like i do :)
Anyway.... All i m trying to say is that there are very nice and honest Egyptians...It's just like any other countries in the world.
I could give you many examples of bad experiences i had in the USA...AND I AM TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE!!!.
It's not because we meet a bad person from a country that mean they are all the same!!
Don't tell me you never met a very bad person from your own race....We will be LIARS if we said we never!!!

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I lived in Cairo for a few months in 2009 and again in 2010/11. During that time [and way prior] I was 'engaged' to an Egyptian man. We have now split up. I got to know their ways and customs. I believe there are no better men on the face of the earth. Kind, gentle and they treat their women like precious jewels. Western women see this totally different. We grew up in a different society with different norms so of course 99.9% will not understand the Arab way of thinking and doing. I am sorry that some of you had bad experiences. Find men , western men, and be happy. As for myself, I am back in SA but am praying everyday for the opp to go back. I love Egypt and her people and could only ever be satisfied on the arm of an Egyptian man.

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Umauma;

it is not normal ( althought it happens more then we want) that he asks you for money.
Stop this relation and find real love. In your own country or in another.
You must have read all this comments now. Can you tell us how you are now?

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Hi Umauma, First of all I will tell you only a bit of my experience because to tell this whole scenario would turn this into a "Novella"!!!! Beware of anyone in any country even in the US trying to take advantage of you especially when it comes to money!!!!!!! Manipulation is the key word here......AND if you become "THE ALLOWER"!!!! I've been there......done that!!! I believe there ARE GOOD men out there so I am not judging anyone but you will save yourself a broken heart and a broken pocketbook too!!!! I am still feeling the hurt and the hurt of my purse strings as well and having bad health from this sharade!!!!!! I have been to Egypt many, many times and love the people there and also lived there as well and will forever love Cairo....but....the culture is something you cannott avoid...it is what it is...you just have to understand it...not condem it!!!!! I would not hesitate to go back either in spite of the difficult adjustments I had to make. I also know about this "Orfi"....been there done that one too!!! Respect and love yourself enough not to be an ALLOWER as I have been and in whatever decisions you make I wish you the very best. If I can save one woman from all the pain and heartache and loss of a lot of money that would make me only too happy!!!!! I also was married to a Greek man many many years so I am familiar with different cultures.....not so easy believe me!! God Bless you and I wish you well and the best of all that life has to offer you!!! DON"T GET SUCKED IN......PLEASE don't take this as negative and I am sure there are many good stories out there. I just was not one of them unfortunetly!!! Life is about learning and BOY! OH! BOY! HAVE I LEARNED A LOT!!!! Wishing you the best!!

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good words !Take care! If it is real love; he will not ask money

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Yes....Irma you are 150% right on that one.....that was my first HUGE mistake I made and from there it was all down hill so to speak!!!! I am a soft and sensative and kind person person and this made me a prime target and as I said I ALLOWED IT....BUT....it take two to Tango also!!!!!! TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TIRED from all this pain. You do get to a point when you say "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH"!!!!!!! Thank you for your comment Irma!!! GOD BLESS!!!!

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dancers; it happend to me too , to a good friend too.................i loved, i believed and i did begin to worry. I stopped, he still tries. I learned, i will see hiim and his whole family again, becouse i also do love his sisters ( who do not speak English) but the relation is over. I leanerd, i am not bitter ( still LOVE Egypt). I go on.........i know i made a mistake, and i do try to understand why he did this. To get out of a misareble bad poor life. For him and his family. I will always believe it was more, becouse we also had a very good time together.

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Hi Irma,
Sorry for you and your friends experience!! I truly feel for you both!!!! We are among many, many women whom this has happened to unfortunetly...but....life goes on!! Everything is a lesson learned. I am trying to release a lot of anger and saddness as this has made my health not so good because of it!!! I truly need to do that and MOVE FORWARD!!! Enshallah!! I wish you and your friend the very best in your lives!!! Haam do laa!!!!

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hello
i am egyptian guy 35 old form Alexandria, i didn't read all the below, cause i couldn't complete casue i don't know what to say, but all the belwo is completely not correct, sure this realation for money only and don't linked to love or any kind of normal realations, peoble from Luxor only look for money, and it is not correct that how much you pay for your man mow much you love him, this is not correct.
and your frind who married to his brother is not a good freind or fair with you.

form more than 9 years i was working in sharm el shaikh and i got marraied to a Germnay woman was older than me by 18 yesrs, and we lived together ther, but the differant was that we was both agreed that our marriage /realation was for sex only, and we spend together more than 2 years , we share every thing we pay everyt hing together i have never asked her for money, or to do any thing more than i do

i don't know what to say, but you had a bad expericae with a bad guy

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IT IS NOT ONLY lUXOR! iT ARE MEN FROM ALL EGYPT ( and sure not only Egypt) Also in Sharm or Hurghada or other citys and also Egyptians who live there but are raised up in another village or city. And your german friend; did she really agree just for sex? wow
Does Egypt realise it is a real problem for their image as country this businez?

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I reply AGAIN.....Egyptian men can "Charm" the pants off of you....literally!!!! Sugar melts in their mouth for whatever their need is. Like my other post...YES! It can happen all over the world with ALL MEN....and AGAIN....there are GOOD men out there somewhere!!!! Its in their nature thats all......women from Venus...men from Mars....we are just different creatures. Women more emotional...men more logic. From my experience it has not made me bitter or angry at ALL men but for sure I am absolutely more cautious and aware thats all. I still love ALL THE EGYPTIAN PEOPLE VERY MUCH and as I said in my previous post "I WAS THE ALLOWER" BUT it takes 2 to tango!!!! But we all must remember...men AND women...if we do wrong we get wrong done back to us!!!! GOOD LUCK TO ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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it is not a bussines, we was living together like any married couple, we both have need and we can't live together without marriage at Egypt, so it was just a paper, but i didn't take any money from her, and didn't marrie her just for my satisfaction we are both agreed it
i know that there are a lot not a few men in Egypt get married foreingers to get money and to enable them to travel with them.
but really it is not all of them, most of the men in Luxor , Asswan, sharn, hurgada, are not well educated and living there for low salaries, so they see this realation as kind of sucsses in life.

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Actually, you are correct. Women, by nature, are emotional. However, you are incorrect, men by nature are not logical by all means, they are physical. Don't give the the power of logic.

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YES! I do agree.......men are phyisical.....GLAD I am a woman!!!!

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https://www.facebook.com/pages/Kus-kus-Bezness/102498653170999 dutch facebook; from Noor, she had a real bad life in Egypt , i know women from which ter relation is very good, some relations just good or normal, some not good, some stopped becouse it was just for money

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take care and be alert; there are very nice people and people who want to use you
http://womentravellersguide.weebly.com/egyptian-scammers.html

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I know this is long, but I hope you will read to the end as I do have some good and direct points to share, especially with non Egyptian women. As this post is directed mostly to female readers of the topic title "Egyptian men & foreign women in luxor west Bank." This is also for all women everywhere. And if it will help the men, it is for them too. I am so sorry for those of you who have had bad experiences. And especially with men in Egypt. There really are many good men out there, everywhere, and Egypt is no exception. The heart is a remarkable thing. It has great capacity to give and receive love. The feelings can be powerful and overwhelming. Sometimes people want love in their life so badly, they will begin to believe things their good conscience has been trying to warn them to avoid. Watch for "Red Flags" in any new relationship. Egypt is a beautiful, amazing place full of wonderful experiences to be had, and caring, friendly, loving people. Learning about the culture and the people before you go, can help prepare you to understand, and give you time to gain control of your own heart, (from getting carried away on a whim of fancy.) And to recognize the unhealthy signs of deceit and dishonesty. No honorable, respectful Egyptian man, a practicing Muslim, Christian or otherwise, would ever ask a woman to have sex outside of marriage. He would never dishonor his family or a lady by doing so. He knows he condemns himself with Allah/God for doing so. He would never ask a woman to settle for an "orfi" marriage. It isn't even a legal marriage! (You can not even get a respectful hotel room or apartment without a legal marriage paper, or proper documentation showing you are legally married!) Also, no respectful Egyptian man would ask a woman for money! It is too important to him to show how he can take care of his family, his wife, etc. Watch carefully for these and many other "red flags" and relationship "deal breakers." This is not acceptable behavior in Egyptian men, and you should not allow it. End the relationship immediately, if they come up. You CAN do better! It is our human tendency to forgive. But do not let this fool you into believing that this type of man will change. He won't! He really does know better! I hope you will have many wonderful and memorable experiences in egypt in the future. But keep your emotions in check and your amorous heart at home, or at least on the back burner. You should want the best for yourself and expect the best from others. Show respect for yourself and respect for the country's culture you are visiting. I hope you future blessings and good fortune in love, and happy life to you.

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why is always religion a part of the discussion; it has nothing to do with respectabel muslim or christian.

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My sincere apologies Irma, or any others, for any offense I have caused. I know nothing about "always" as I am fairly new to this forum. Please accept my humble apology for anything I wrote that was innappropriate in this forum. It in no way was meant to enfluence anyone to any religious affiliation. Or make a religious statement of any kind. Please forgive my oversight, and if I have broken any rules with my contribution to this forum. I will be more careful in my content and wording in the future. Genuinely and humbly I thank you.

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o i believe you do not have to apologies, i just think it has nothing to do with religion. Just use your free speech . I also do not know the rules here. My opinion is that even if you are not religious you can be a good person. What you wrote about being good christian or good muslim; it is not an issue. But i heard it so often; a good muslim does not do that............ i do not think your writing has anything to do to enfluence........thanks, cu

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Melody is correct however, Irma. Even if you don't like the fact that she brought religion into the discussion, it DOES have something to do with it! A GOOD man of ANY religion, follows its laws, and there is NO religion which advocates taking advantage of other people, men or women. The two religions of Egypt are Islam and Christianity, and if people are SINCERE in the observation of either of these, they do NOT have "orfi" papers, which are basically just a legal way around sex outside of marriage. I understand your point that people SHOULD be decent outside of religion, and that of course is each individual's choice. However, Egyptians are generally religious people, and IF they are SINCERE in their religion, they wouldn't behave as Umauma's friend told her is normal behavior.
I have two brother in laws who were working in Tourism before the revolution, and neither of them would have even considered a personal relationship of ANY sort with a woman, Egyptian OR foreign, until they have a proposal to consider marriage, blessed by both families. There is no "casual dating" much less "casual sex" in the traditional, sincerely religious families and customs of Egypt.
My husband who is Egyptian has always supported me, and now supports my mother who is elderly and in poor health. He considers her to be his own mother.
I'm American, and have travelled extensively, met good (and some not so much) people in many countries. Even Adam and Eve had 2 sons who exemplified this, by one killing the other... people are all individuals.
Don't accept any behavior you're not comfortable with, no matter WHAT country you are in!

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sorry i do not agree.....religion si back in the discussion........in holland there even is a group of women uniting to make other women aware of business relations of men in egypt marocco tunesia and turkey....( moslims coutries...) and i want to keep religion out of it; i have no religion, live in a very seculier country and we have here less business relations ( yes we have in the redl light districht.........) then in those countries. And i want to keep religion out of it becouse i think it wrong to say it is not allowed by religions so if they do they are wrong..........religion or no religion; men must not fake love for money. Who is right; i do not know......it is not a matter of right or rong; men should not do it and we , women, have to make each other wake up, take care and look for the real good men.

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I understand what you are saying, Irma. I was raised in the US, which is a secular government. We have laws here making "love for cash" illegal, both in prostitution, and in fraud. Just because the law is secular, it doesn't stop some people from breaking it. However, in discussions of Egypt, which is a religious country, to the extent that even our national identity card states our religion on it, and laws are different for muslims and christians. A muslim man may have multiple wives for example, but a christian man may not. The govt. Court of Marriages will not marry a muslim woman to a christian man, however a christian woman is allowed to marry a muslim man. It is impossible to take the religion factor out of the discussion, because the federal laws of Egypt were formed around religion.
Even so, just being called a muslim does not make one, just as being called a secular American does not guarantee that a person is obeying the law! In a secular country, it makes sense to take religion out of discussions, but in a country where the law is created AND enforced around religion, it is impossible to separate them! And, you are right!! There is no law, religious OR secular which allows fraudulent relationships. Even in your secular country where I take it prostitution is legal, it is still governed by some form of law. A man couldn't visit a prostitute without paying, because that would be fraudulent, yes? NO MAN and NO WOMAN SHOULD be in a fraudulent relationship, YET it still happens regularly! If a woman marries a "sugar daddy" in the US, a man much older than her, because he has a lot of money, she is said to have married for his money, and he is said to have married for her body. The trophy wife. It is not illegal. It is rather immoral, but that's only according to my personal standard. I'm not exactly sure why people pat men on the back, congratulating him on his "Trophy wife", yet call a man who does the same thing "Gold digger" "Thief" "Fraudulent lover" etc. As long as people are HONEST with each other, their relationship is their own business. Women need to be smart and sensible! The reality is that people marry to benefit themselves in one way or another, right? Whether it be procreation, companionship, a partner for parenting, financial gain etc... the term "love" is such a cloudy issue that covers so many things, most people can honestly say they married for love, no matter what their underlying motives.

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I do agree that God did you a favor by ending such a relation.
BUT ..... Not all Egyptian men are like that, not at all.
Not all Egyptian men are just aiming to take advantage of a relation with a lady to steal or abuse her money.
Not all Egyptian men are just aiming to get any woman they know laid.
Not all Egyptian men are the ones you meet working in touristic places and coffee shops and these type of jobs.
And surely, not all Egyptian men are Saints either.

Egyptian men, just like any other nationalities vary between educated/non-educated, well paid/poor, honest/scumbags.
I'm Egyptian and like many other Egyptian men, I'm very well paid, I'm very well educated, I work in a multinational company.
When I meet a lady, local or any nationality, I don't think of sex as the major drive for the relationship, I respect all individuals inspite of their race/nationality/religion.
I never try to take advantage of a lady's money. On the contrary, I never let a lady pay anything while I'm with her.
So many other things as well and many good qualities in Egyptain men ..... Good Egyptian men.

Regards to everyone

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thank you. yes i know it is not only bad. Off coures.....i have very good egyptian friends who act `normal` and polite and with respect.

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I'm researching a film which involves how some women are victimized by young Egyptian men. Your story sounds a bit like that. Would you be willing to talk with me off the record so I could find out more about how it occurs? If so please email me and we can arrange to talk. Thanks.

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Hi all
As an Egyptian i wants to add something to this topic...in our culture the common thing is that the guy is the one who pays for everything and some people over exaggerate and consider it like a shame or something insulting to accept money from the woman, the problem of the foreigners is that they can not differentiate between the Egyptian community classes those who accept marrying a foreign woman 95% of them seeks whether money or another nationality, and the woman who was searching for love becomes an easy prey for them, this gives a bad stereotype for the Egyptian guy abroad, so please girls be cautions, and not to get fooled by sweet words or bronze tough body... cheers all

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thank you, i copied your message on a dutch women with egyptian lovers website :)

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for more, look here http://www.beznessalert.com/beznessblog/?p=353,

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To melodymckinley:

Thanks for your insight, but I need to ask . . .

You say that a good Egyptian man would NEVER ask for sex before marriage, and that a woman should walk away if he does . . .

What if SHE has done the asking? What if she told him she needed it and he (after weeks) gave in?

Is he ok then?

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OMG, I wish I had known about the Egyptian man before falling in love with one in Luxor. This man who owns "Jamboree" restaurant fits the description others have mentioned. Of course there are good guys in Egypt but in Luxor, the young guys want your money and sex.....and mostly your money. I was a lamb to the slaughter, newly divorced, in my 40's, tired of American men and believed the load of lies fed to me. Hamdi started asking for money within a week or so of meeting me, but kept saying in your case I actually love you...meaning he had done this lots before. He now admits to me that fleecing the foreign woman is a big business in Egypt. The bad economy creates all of this I think but still, these guys are using your money for their families and you are what they feed off of. And Hamdi even admitted this to me, mad that I couldn't do what the english women had done for their much younger men including buying cruise ships, buildings, refurbishing their homes, etc. Hamdi actually admitted to me that his english girlfriend (he was married) refurbished his restaurant while a japanese woman and built his house. He admitted to hitting the british woman after she drank too much! And this guy is well loved in his own community....even though everyone knows what a taker he is. I didn't lose a lot of money but did pay for everything we did, giving him the money so he could feel like the provider. In the tourist areas be careful unless funding someone's life is your desire and believe me, these guys almost always end up with a hometown girl. I can't imagine why anyone who reads these posts could possibly end up with one of these many predators.

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please share your story on http://www.beznessalert.com/eng/index.html

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OH MY!!!! I hope every foreign woman that visits Egypt will read that before coming. After you come and the men get their fangs in you, it can be too late.
I just want to slap these women for letting it get so far out of hand. I want to do worse to the men for taking it so far out of hand.
So frustrating!

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although i am an Egyptian, but i do agree with every single detail you have mentioned. It happens even worse.

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Hello Tom

I am writting a book about this, mabey we can get in contact?

hettievansteenis@gamil.com
Greetings

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What means all the stuff said about Egyptian men, let me say for sure that it is not the truth. I am from a country and from a culture where it is accepted that the man always pays for u, takes care of u, is jelous, u feel very safe with a man, and i saw all those features in egyptian guy. There are a lot of good men among them, that once u find them u dont want to lose, never-ever. I think may be those good ones are usually one who work in tourist industry. The one thing that i dont like about egyptian men is that they dont think of earning much money and about career, they just come along with little, i dont like that, but what means to honesty they can be very honest, u just have to find a good egyptian guy.

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I do understand that some ladies on this forum had genuine problems with some Egyptian men. It is unfortunate, and I truly feel bad for them. This may have been the result of either inexperience of foreign culture and people different from their own. Of course there are bad men (and women) in every culture, and one has to be cautious in this regard. If these women had better understanding of the culture and people, they might have avoided such bad experiences and would have chosen the right Egyptian men with whome they could have had great relationships. On the other hand, there are other women who posted messages on this forum, including private messages to me personally, who voiced warning messages of gloom and doom about "Egyptian Men" based on their "OWN" experiences. I know that certain of those women do have serious issues with men in general, irrespective of whether these men were Egyptian or anything other nationalities. Also, I know that some of them are fairly advance in age and have been in relationships with Egyptian young men who are half their age. When these young men use them for their money, there is an outcry that "Egyptian Men" are really bad, as if this were not the expected results of such relationships. I feel sorry for them, as well. However, I don't appreciate the hateful tone coloring their messages to others, when their bad experiences are the result of their poor judgement or the exploitation of much younger men. Those women should have known better, given their age and experience in life.

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Wow, so blame the exploitation of these Egyptian men on the women they exploit? Wow, pretty sexist there I would say. How about the simple golden rule: Treat people the way you want to be treated. Cannot imagine how it is that the men are being exploited and also blaming it on the women because "they have trouble with men in general". I doubt very seriously that any woman told you that and am quite sure you are simply feeling the need to take up for these men you have never met. What is up with that? You haven't lived in Egypt in decades and would think you'd want tourists to be treated well. Surely, you cannot believe that somehow some woman get exploited by a young Egyptian man makes her the bad guy, do you? If you choose to move back to your country after living in the West, you will hopefully have the grace to see it differently.

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I don't believe my remark is sexist. I am not referring to ALL women. I meant those women that expect sound relationships with young Egyptian men half their age. Normally, this would not work in the U.S.A. where you live, nor would it work for long else where in the world; not to mention Egypt Of course money plays a role here, since, under normal circumstances, those young men would have relationships with young women in their age group; not as old as their mothers. I am not standing up for these young men. In my view, such unusual relationships by their very nature are exploitative on both sides. So, the claim that only one person in such relationships is taking advantage of or exploiting the other person is simply not true. By the way, I don't need to go to Egypt to have a modest and basic understanding of the the human nature.

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One other thing. Melissa1984, has been constantly active in this and in other forums, spewing her negativity and disrespect for Egyptian men. She almost brags about her apparently recent negative finding and experience with the so-called Hamdi in Luxor. I am quite confused here. On the one hand, shes speaks of her relationship with Hamdi after she divorced from her American husband when she was in her 40s. On the other hand, in other posts of hers, she states that she has a 30 years old daughter and other adult sons. I wonder how recent was her experience with Hamdi. I am assuming it must have been many many years ago, unless she married when she was only 10 years old, given the fact that she divorced when she was in her 40s, has a daughter is in her 30s, and had a relationship with that Egyptian young man shortly after the divorce when she was in her 40s!!! Of course this would not be feasible or easily believable! at least this would not support her claim of recent experiences with Egyptian men. Of course, it could be that she sought other relationships with young Egyptian men more recently, which would explain the issues she is having, as explained in my previous post. May be my post here is as confusing as her previous posts.

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wow, this is my last post because your you are so angry. The bottom line is that I was a foster mother who adopted. Her age has nothing to do with this and if you must know my relationship with an Egyptian man which lasted for many years and we are still friends, had a 2 year age difference. So, I understand you have several issues: to stand up for these Egyptian predators no matter what, you cannot handle a woman with a strong voice, you are unable to hear that I love Egypt and her people but find the predatory behavior of some not all unacceptable and troubling, that you are now making this personal, you enjoy blaming the many victims who have told their stories honestly, will rationalize such bad behavior away by saying the "women are old" and other atrocious things (like I said my boyfriend were and are 2 years apart), and simply do not have enough to do or you'd not be on here trying to take perfectly nice people to task for telling their story. All of us are telling our story. How we do so, is none of your business. I do have to ask: does your American wife have any idea that you spend your precious time taking up for men you don't even know in a country you haven't lived in in decades. If I found out that young women or men were preying on tourists in my country I would be appalled and common decency would lead me to defend the tourist rather than go after the them.
The ageist tone you take is really scary and your willingness to blame the women on this site is really disheartening. So continue to attack. I am getting off a site where someone could be so vitriolic and rude. Just in case you want to check out my story: Go to Jamborie Restaurant in Luxor and ask Hamdy about me and also about my age because you seem to love the idea that some young guy was taken advantage of by an "older" American woman, thereby making me stupid and a predator. It is a great restaurant, you would enjoy it and I am quite certain that Hamdy would not have an ugly word to say about me. Your presumptions are quite faulty. Try to get some compassion and get past your need to defend people that I am quite certain you'd be offended by if you watched their behavior in person. Also, there is a reason that the Lonely Planet and the respective embassies have spoken up about the predatory practices and warned women to be careful. So if you don't believe any of us ,perhaps these unbiased sources could educate you. Try not to kill the messenger and ask yourself why you cannot handle a woman with a strong opinion. AGAIN, FOR THE MOST PART THEY EGYPTIAN PEOPLE ARE LOVELY AND THERE IS A REASON I HAVE BEEN THERE SO MUCH AND URGED EVERYONE I KNOW TO GO THERE EVEN DURING THESE TIMES OF UNREST. YOUR MEAN SPIRITNESS IS DISHEARTENING AND CAN ONLY LEAD ME TO BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE EMBARRASSED BY THE STORIES DOZENS OF WOMEN HAVE REPORTED ABOUT AND NEED TO MAKE SOME OF US THE PROBLEM.
May you look at yourself and figure out just why you are on this site and just why you feel the need to accost anyone with a passionate
position based on real world events. I guess you'd have to go in drag in Luxor to get a feel for it because you simply refuse to accept what is happening to so many.

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Really nice, Melissa1984! You have said enough about Egyptian men being exploitative and a lot of other horrible things. I just cannot see how you and Hamdy could still be friends when you say all these nasty things about him!! Interesting way of expressing such a friendship. I hardly have the time to comment on issues raised in this or other forums. Every now and then, however, I get the pleasure of reading your cheerful views about how exploitative Egyptian men are, how they want to use you just for sex. In my view, a strong women with strong views would have made better choices, not just allow bad situation to occur then start complaining about it. I would recommend to you as a strong woman not to go again to Egpyt because you are certainly not portraying Egypt or the Egyptians in a good light. I realize that Egypt has problems, and people are trying to solve these problems but it will take time. I hate it when I see someone kicking another when he/she is down. I love Egypt and the Egyptias no matter what. I have lived all over the world, including the USA, and have seen the good, bad and ugly. I am quite certain you will not hear me talking constantly about the ugly side of the USA, because this would be too subjective and inaccurate. I also love the USA in many respect. From you I get the impression that Egypt is full of preditors who are out there to exploit your money and use you for sex. Cannot you just find it in your heart to say something nice about Egypt? Remember any nice romantic or memorable moment?!

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hi,
i am an Egyptian and felt very sorry when i read your story ,but that does never mean that all Egyptians r the same obviously that guy didn't love u he was after your money and unfortunately most of people in luxor r that way the don't know about emotions and feelings in i couldn't even make friends from there be a ware and sure u can never measure love with money that may could be part but the one who loves willing to give rather than taking ,again i feel very sorry and final advice treat with every individual case according to what u see and feel

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A respectable Egyptian man will never ask a woman for money or to buy him ANYTHING. This is considered a big shame in Egypt. Guy is a user

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