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Murdock
3/25/2014 07:59 EST

Friends,

I think a few historical facts should be noted.

1. Crimea was part of Russia for more than 200 years. It did not become part of Ukraine until 1954 when Khrushchev gave it to Ukraine by dictatorial fiat. So the Crimeans have never voted at all until last Sunday concerning their membership in Ukraine. On this vote, the Crimeans voted overwhelmingly to become part of Russia. This is not surprising as they are overwhelmingly Ethnic Russians. This was not land-grabbing by Putin but an exercise in freedom by the Crimeans. This certainly would not have been necessary except for the Putsch against the legitimate Ukranian Government (see 4 below).
2. At the end of the Cold War, circa 1991, US President G H W Bush, Helmut Kohl prime minister of West Germany, James Baker US Secretary of State and head of the Soviet Union Mikhail Gorbechev reached a gentlemen’s agreement that in exchange for the unification of Germany, the freedom of the Eastern Block Countries, and the dissolution of the Soviet Union, the West would not expand NATO eastward. Russia stuck by the agreement. Both Clinton and GW Bush have violated this agreement and expanded NATO right up to Russia’s front door. This fact is never mentioned in the Western Media.
3. Viktor Yanukovich, President of Ukraine, was elected in 2010. No one, not even the NeoCons, has questioned this. The election was fair as far as we can see. Yes, he is corrupt but how many politicians are not?
4. The US and the EU working in tandem did everything they could to unseat Yanukovich although he agreed to hold elections earlier than they were scheduled. This is undeniable as the phone call between Assistant Secretary of State Viktoria Nuland and US ambassador to Unkraine Geoffy Pyatt has been recorded and placed on Youtube. You can find it using Google very easily. Moreover Nuland held a conference in Washington in December 2013 where she bragged that the US had spent 5 billion dollars on NGOs dedicated to overthrowing Urkaine.
5. Putin has acted as any normal leader of Russia would act. He is not Stalin; he has been elected. He has a much higher approval rating among Russians than any western leader does among their populations. I certainly admire him more than any current western leader. But even if you don’t admire him, you must admit that he has nuclear weapons. Do you really want to see a WW III? I don’t.
6. Russia has been well behaved since the end of the Cold War. Consider, on the other hand, the US. It has invaded numerous countries mostly on false pretenses. Perhaps the only justifiable war was in Afghanistan. Iraq was based on the two lies that Saddam had WMDs and was connected with Al Queda.
7. The most important point is that the NeoCons have taken over US foreign policy beginning with the GW Bush administration. I had hoped that with the election of Obama, they would be gone but they are not. They still run the show. They love War and US hegemony. They are not peaceful, reasonable people. See Bill Kristol’s latest article in the Weekly Standard. He complains that the Americans are war weary and they need to be motivated to get back into the War Mode.
8. It isn’t 1956 any more.

Murdock

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borschelrh
3/25/2014 08:14 EST

I agree with you. Note the interview lat week with Stephen Co*** (forbidden word??) during which he addresses the Western media and how they are demonizing him for defending Putin's actions based on the most of the facts you have so excellently presented here. Tie that in with the Kosovo referendum which created the precedent for Crimea and it also adds to this. Don't forget that the US paid in excess of $5 Billion to fund this coup as evidenced by a speech made by Nuland herself in Maidan Square. Then add in the murdering of police and civilians from the rear by snipers paid for with NGO money as evidenced by the Estonian Ambassador's comments last week. All of this was clearly to push Russia out of Crimea and to establish a NATO (US) naval base in it's place. But they lost control of the coup to the est Ukrainian Nazi's. Today, though it is clear that the US is taking action to remove the more egregegious of these Nazi's in an attempt to corral them into behaving. Also, not the Ukrainian AF has refused to fly until a legitimate democratically elected governmetn takes power and the Army is restricting all of their efforts to removing weapons and ammunition from the newly formed National Guard. Teh place is now completely out of control and anarchy is the rule of the day as evidenced by the train robbery yesterday. Yes, really just like in the Wild West. So, who is going to benefit from this coup? Clearly the Crimeans saw a good oopportunity to get under a more benevolent government and they will be relatively rich soon in comparison to what happens to the rest of the Ukrainians under the US/EU austerity.

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peddington
3/25/2014 09:46 EST

Greetings all and Murdock! As with everything there is more than one side to everything. Before we make Putin a saint let's consider the following; Putin is the "shrewdest" politician of our time. Yes he has been trained well in the KGB/GRU a world class spy and murder agency. No he was not a businessman, a naval officer or even an actor but a cold killer that followed his communist leaders orders. And no they don't stick to Russia as this organization killed in recent years abroad and likely no one would of done it without his approval. If his "American" guest would of been Russian he would be dead by now! He manipulated the Russian people and the law and cleverly reclaimed leadership after his crony Medvedev had the seat for a few years and surely he didn't do anything unless approved by Putin. Now about the land grabbing. 60 year is a long time not to "reclaim" land! What gives someone the right to redraw the borders after 60 years? No one consulted the Transylvanian Hungarians if they want to belong to Hungary not Romania!? Should they be able to vote this year and if it passes attach western Transylvania to Hungary? Hardly think so! There are many separatist at least a dozen entities in Russia alone. Should all be given an opportunity to seceding from their current country? Hardly think so! Putin acted irresponsibly and opened Pandora's box which no doubt will come back and bite him in his "bum"!

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borschelrh
3/25/2014 10:56 EST

No, Putin is no saint and yes, he has usurped power albeit legally and won't leave until he is good and ready. That said he has done a lot to improve the living conditions for all Russians and enjoys wild popularity. Yes, he suppressed early in his tenure but then again he was handed a huge mess. Russia is very stable now and they still are a World Power sdespite any propaganda stating otherwise. Their boast of having enough nukes to turn America to ash is not false and serves as a reminder that having a large and expensive military is not necessary to be a worl power. They are not surrounding America with missles and bases although I see he is making preparations to do so soon in Central and South America. Russia has a strong relationship with China and this is not to be discounted. Together they own about $4 Trillion of US debt and can sacrifice that at any time to collapse the US financial system. They aren't suggesting that but if they are pushed into a corner they might. In his defense imagine a mythical case: people overthrowing the government of a nation right next to America which used to be part of America for 200 years but given away by an American President who was from that other country and that this which has roughly 40% ethnic Americans (part of it was 80%) and then these same people start calling for first forbidding the use of English at all, a 10 year imprisonment for possession of a US passport, and then calling for the murder of all Americans. What do you think the US would do? Let's say Russia paid over $5 Billion dollars to finance the coup in that neighboring country and plotted for the KKK to take control. How do you think we would feel and what do you think America would do about it? I am certain that annexation without a single shot fired wouldn't have occurred. Just saying that it all depends on your perspective. The US is not innocent of any of this and I hold my peace with the example of Iraq. Latest tally is roughly 500,000 dead based on lies.

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