steveFS
4/18/2016 15:46 EST
I have a job offer in Budapest. I am NOT an EU citizen. The employer was offered to obtain a work
permit for me. I'm trying to figure out what rights my partner will have - we are not married.
I have asked but have not gotten a clear answer. Has any one had similar experiences:
There is a tourist VISA good for 90 days out of 180 . You have to leave the Schengen area at the end. Can you come back every 90 days?
You can apply for a residency VISA for family members. There is a category called 'OTHER'. Does this apply to non married partners?
Does any one have any experience with finding work without a work permit - does an 'undocumented' work force exist in Hungary like it does in other countries?
For skilled workers? He speajs 3 languages and has a lot of management experience
If any one has experiences with these issues, I would appreciated hearing from you.
thanks
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peddington
4/18/2016 16:26 EST
Your partner can apply for one year residency visa/permit. You can apply for it while you here on your 90 day visa free period. Current wait time I hear is about 1 1/2 month (used to be 28 days before the migrant crisis). W/o visa you have to leave the Schengen area and you can only come back AFTER 90 days. Incidentally the one year visa is pretty simple. Four pages of questioner one photo, passport of course, 18000 forint "stamp" (the fee for the privilege and proof that you can support yourself as well as proof that they have health insurance! In a nut shell, hope it helps!
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borschelrh
4/19/2016 01:12 EST
Yes, this sounds correct. I wouldn't bother with a 1 year one though as yu ed up going through the entire process again in 9 months. You have to initiate renewals 90 days before they expire. Immigration has been severely constrained as they just don't have the personnel to handle these kinds of influxes. They processed something like 200,000 applications for refugee status last year, of which only 14 qualified. Somebody has to manually process all that paperwork and I recall the staffing is something like 150 people in the entire country to deal with this. I am assuming that has grown but the last time I dealt with immigration it was in complete chaos and police were filling in to help but were clueless as to the process. It was a real mess at the time which was at the beginning of the influx of refugees. Hopefully, things are better now.
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FeliciaOni
4/19/2016 07:05 EST
"I wouldn't bother with a 1 year one though as you ed up going through the entire process again in 9 months. You have to initiate renewals 90 days before they expire. "
Yes it is a hassle but for USA people that is all you get the first time around! We thought we would get 3yrs, asked them at immigration how long to put on the application they said 3yrs, talked to the woman making the decision and she even asked us what would we be doing in Hungary over the next 3yrs ie would we be buying a house, made us write a statement saying we were going to do that in that time frame. Then when we went to get our residence permit were told ALL USA people only get 1yr!
So yes this is true we have to reapply in about 8, 9 months. But the good thing is they state we should not have to resubmit things that have not changed. So the renewal should go easier.
I think once they approve you once and not much changes then renewal should be smoother and quicker. I mean since we stated within 3yrs we would try buy a house then it should not be a surprise 8 months later we are still trying.
But i would still do it and i am glad my father and i are here. And from reading about how EU may suspend the visa free 90 day thing i would suggest most people get out of USA and over here while you still can.
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borschelrh
4/20/2016 00:42 EST
Interesting. We received an initial first visa for 5 years when we came in 2009. My mother who came 2 years ago received a 5 year ne as well. Either there was a policy change or these decisions are being made arbitrarily at the local level. I tend to believe the latter but you never can tell. Things may have changed though, perhaps because of the refugee crisis. It seems typically Hungarian to make a process more difficult for themselves, rather than streamline it. Basically, they have made it 5 times harder now that they have to process the visa every year for anyone actually wishing to stay here permanently. The Permanent Residence visa was an expensive nightmare and far more complex, requiring a in-home inspection for example, and also must be renewed every 5 years.
It is hard to say whether the EU will suspend the 90 day visa free for Americans. It is a tit for tat though as the US requires a visa from some EU member states which is of course, not fair and maybe not legal. We seem to have impunity on things like this. So, I doubt the US will change and I don't think the EU has the balls to stand up to their masters. But, you never can tell. Perhaps TPP approval can be used as blackmail as the US (government not the people) for some bizarre reason believes TPP is good for the nation (corporations) although IMHO it is perhaps even worse than NAFTA. I hate and despise Monsanto and this forces the EU to accept all GMO stuff for example whether we like it or not.
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peddington
4/20/2016 14:13 EST
Perhaps "bor" we talking "apples and oranges". There are "extended visa"
applications and there are "residency permit" situations. The extended visa is for 1 year and the residency is for 5 years. As I was told the "residency" is more complex process requiring not a four but a 17 page application, require a "home country" statement of no arrest no crime, etc. Interestingly enough as one with a Hungarian name, speak the language I was "offered" the first option or "citizenship" never the residency permit. INCOMPETANCE? MISCOMMUNICATION? Who the heck knows!? I can just comment on MY experience!
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FeliciaOni
4/20/2016 17:38 EST
We just applied for the form that said Residence Permit for Other Purposes.
Never heard anything about an extend visa.
My father and i are crime free people never been arrested in our lifes. He is a us navy veteran and worked as a defense contractor years. Getting a statement from us saying he or i are crime free would not of been an issue.
But nothing like that was even mentioned by immigration here in Hungary or even at the embassy in US before we left.
If there was we would of done that!
All we were told was that the Residence Permit is for 1 year to start with but is renewable.
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FeliciaOni
4/20/2016 17:40 EST
And it is like 4 pages maybe.
Never heard of this 17 page document. Maybe it is for people with family in Hungary? Or maybe not available for first timers?
Or maybe for applying for citizenship or naturalization? I do not know.
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borschelrh
4/21/2016 03:04 EST
Ped, Yeah, me too. It seems like there are few in Immigration who are completely knowledgeable about the process. I think in Veszprem we have the advantage of having Papa Air Base with a LOT of American civilian contractors. They use a service to go through immigration but every time I have been to immigration there have been one or more Americans from Papa getting processed. I always get pissed as they seem to have the ability to cut directly to the front and wait times (no appointments) can be all day. These folk waltz in with an "agent" and get processed immediately.
But, I am aware of the multiple levels of visa. There are also differences depending on your situation i.e., you are from a third country (not a memebr of the EU) which includes Americans and Canadians, a pensioner, from within the EU, a student, or of Hungarian descent. Being a third country resident makes it a bit harder and what they were most concerned with was medical insurance and proof of income. The longer and far more complex process for Permanent Residence (equivalent of the US Green Card) requires the long form, police background checks, translations of everything, etc. I imagine applying for citizenship is even more complex coming from a third country and not having Hungarian ancestors. At least Hungary permits dual citizenship, unlike Germany. This is probably because so many Hungarians fled the country in 1956 to the US, the large number of Hungarians living in countries split off from Hungary in 1918, and the relatively large Jewish community many of whom have dual citizenship with Israel. Anyway, I think the process is relatively easy for a 1 year extended visa. It sounds like they abandoned the longer one, perhaps out of fear of losing control of immigrants. Hungary only wants productive people to immigrate and not the dregs from other poorer countries. There is always the "other" option which is to invest in a business for $300,000 (not certain of the number but in that ball park) which gives you an immediate 5 year Permanent Residence. That was implemented to encourage Chinese investors to move to Hungary. I have no clue what the(very few) refugees are given but probably a 1 year extended visa without benefits.
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FeliciaOni
4/21/2016 07:03 EST
Yes i agree!
We have good income and are very stable so that was never raised as an issue for us. But that is just me and my father he has 3 retirement checks. That said i can not imagine how the migrants get here with no stable income or resources considering how difficult that made for us!
Either one of us would never be a burden on the state so i agree i do not like that they try to treat us like some migrants from wherever.
But i know it is hard for immigration they did not expect to have to be overworked with all the influx of migrants that do not even want to live in Hungary. We just want to live here spend our money and buy a house etc.
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