Lukewarren
8/22/2016 15:13 EST
Hi, I am from The US and am looking to move/retire in Ireland. I am a 5th generation Scot/Irish and my great great grandparents were born in Scotland and the other side from Ireland. I see in other forms you can get citizenship if your grandparents are born there. In my case would it Matter about my great grandparents when citizenship comes into question? If anyone has moved from the US into Ireland or surrounding UK I would love to know your story. Thank you!
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DebAckley
8/22/2016 17:05 EST
Hi! As of know it must be a grandparent. You need to have their birth/death certificates, along with your mother or father's too. We tried to retire there ( I do have dual citizenship), but we came home. We wanted a small mortgage and were not able to get one as we didn't tick the right boxes ( they do not count my teacher pension, or our SS $ as income) and our age. All mortgages must be paid off by 65. You could move there, buy a house (cash) and live there for 3-6 months, leave for 3-6 months, and come back. Recently in Kenmare an US citizen who had lived there for many years, was deported as she was not a citizen....it's frustrating...I know some folks are petitioning for a change. We were in Kerry for almost 3 months...it was beautiful..good luck!
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dave8408e
8/22/2016 17:51 EST
Assuming you're from north America, you've got about 50 million people just like you who are ineligible for citizenship here, even though your ancestors came from Ireland. You might think of yourself as 'Irish" but the Irish don't, sorry to say. Be sure and check the previous posts regarding citizenship and restrictions on non-EU retirees -- it's a tough nut to crack. (but worth it!!!!)
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Lukewarren
8/23/2016 02:14 EST
I have the 50,000 euros I know that's required. Already have idea of a property. I just don't want to get kicked out. It's something I want to do but it seems like it's very hard to do.
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dave8408e
8/23/2016 03:40 EST
Re: citizenship.... don't confuse citizenship with residency. You can get residency several ways -- check the INIS website for that info. Citizenship is a whole other ballgame, one we'll apparently never be allowed to get unless the laws change. As retirees, we must resubmit an application each year for the rest of our lives in order to be granted a year's residency.
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Whittredge
8/23/2016 06:55 EST
Without Irish-born grandparents as a way to qualify, retirees from the U.S. who qualify financially may be granted Leave to Remain with a Stamp 0 on our passports. This is not Residency although we are allowed to stay here for a year. If we were granted Residency then we could eventually apply for Citizenship but that is not the case with Leave to Remain. We must reapply each year and prove our financial status has not changed. Perhaps these rules will change in time and perhaps not. In the meantime Leave to Remain now requires major financial resources: €50,000 income per year plus substantial additional funds in savings. Hope that clarifies things a bit.
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ggeitsee
8/29/2016 20:04 EST
My great grandparents are Irish and INIS told me I would not qualify but you can try
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CalamityJan
9/2/2016 03:42 EST
To even have residency here you have to prove you have an income (not related to investment) over 100,000 a year. You could with 50,000 buy into a business, then you'd get an exception. If you have as little as 50,000 invested in a business, apparently you get a free pass.
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dave8408e
9/2/2016 07:17 EST
Calamityjan-- can you post a link to your information on 50K business investment please?
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Meachair54
9/2/2016 11:13 EST
Dave8408,
Citizens Information .Ie , then scroll to Start Up Entrepreneur Program Guidelines. Seems like a very complicated procedure and a lot of requirements. Also there is a Business Start-Up Program which requires a minimum of€ 300,000 to start but that program is suspended as of March 16, 2016. That's just the highlights, you can read in depth at that site good luck Dave8408.!!!!
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dave8408e
9/2/2016 18:05 EST
Thanks for the link! Caution though when using Citizen's Information... being as they're not the ultimate authority on all things Immigration, I wouldn't take that as gospel until confirming it with the Justice Ministry et al. I learned not to trust Citizen's Info when they knew nothing of the INIS 50K Euro per person per year requirements until I informed them of it, and then had to remind them to change their info on their website some time later...
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heartsinireland
9/2/2016 20:19 EST
All good info posted to date and I agree with Dave - do NOT rely on Citizens Info - while they are helpful and sympathetic to the cause, they are not the decision makers and until recently knew little of the difficulties non-EU citizens have trying to live in Ireland. Best source is the INIS website inis.gov.ie. Dave is also correct on the need to apply every year and pay your 300 euros if permission is granted. Bottom line at present is unless you are rather wealthy, with at least a 50k (euros) annual income, substantial funds available in cash/bank accounts (150k euros is the figure quoted to me by INIS), and private health insurance coverage, you aren't going to get permission to stay. 90 days is the max in Ireland, 180 in the UK. By the way, I am perhaps the woman mentioned who lived in Kenmare... although there were several Americans there.
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CalamityJan
9/3/2016 04:07 EST
Fair play to you. I have heard from my TD Michael Healy-Rae that this issue will be raised in the next Dail.
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KevinfromKinsaleviaNYC
9/3/2016 07:42 EST
For those considering additional options for immigration to Ireland such as the various investment schemes, please let me know. I have been making inquiries into such matters and think this is far from an easy path, especially for the more passive investment schemes offered. However, if one is willing to spend up to €500,000 on such qualifying investments, this could be the best way to immigrate for many if the Ministry simply confirms the new Stamp 0 rules.
A possible option is to pool each other's funds and find an experienced solicitor to structure in accordance with INIS criteria.
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KevinfromKinsaleviaNYC
9/3/2016 08:25 EST
Calamity, do you know what your TD means by "this issue will be raised in the next Dail"? Does this mean some TD's will take a position on this issue and it will be debated or does it simply mean that more of the same questions will be posed to the Justice Minister?
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heartsinireland
9/3/2016 13:44 EST
I know that most in Kerry think the Healy-Raes walk on water, but I contacted Michael about my situation before I finally had to leave the country this past spring and received only a "sorry to hear" with no offer of any kind of help... (Bitter? Yeah, a little.)
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