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ivymcardle
  10/23/2017 21:04 EST

I'm looking to relocate to Dublin at the end of year. Anyone have any good advice on relocating? How is it finding a job? Is Dec/Jan an okay time to move?

Thanks
Ivy

Joshuak
  10/23/2017 21:40 EST

Your information states you are a US citizen. Did you read any of the past posts concerning immigration to Ireland ? If you do not have citizenship from Ireland or any other EU country, it could be near impossible to be able to immigrate and legally work there. If you really expect an answer to your questions you need to provide m0re information about your self and your skills / education levels and if you have recent Irish ancestors that would allow you to gain citizenship. Suggest you look back over some of the prior posts concerning this subject.

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Joshuak
  10/23/2017 21:41 EST

Your information states you are a US citizen. Did you read any of the past posts concerning immigration to Ireland ? If you do not have citizenship from Ireland or any other EU country, it could be near impossible to be able to immigrate and legally work there. If you really expect an answer to your questions you need to provide m0re information about your self and your skills / education levels and if you have recent Irish ancestors that would allow you to gain citizenship. Suggest you look back over some of the prior posts concerning this subject.

Meachair54
  10/24/2017 06:55 EST

Hello zippy,
I would like to answer your questions but you ask pretty general question on the subject and threes no mention of you status or would you be able to get dual citizenship from Ireland or any other EU country. There's a lot on the subjects you ask about on this forum also you should look at citizens information.ie and INIS .ie , then if you have more questions pertaining to your situation then you will be able to get more feedback, good luck !!!!!

Meachair54
  10/24/2017 07:05 EST

Ivy , please excuse the wrong name and misspelling eyes weren't open but brain was working sorry, good luck!!!

Muddled
  10/24/2017 08:27 EST

There are several threads in the Ireland forum in relation to this,

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ivymcardle
  10/24/2017 08:59 EST

Thanks, everyone. Yes, I realize I was very general and since I'm new wasn't really certain of the processes.

I've filled out more info on myself and the gist of it is - I want to relocate out of NYC to the EU. I've never lived abroad and I want to experience different cultures Including business culture and travel more. I work in digital advertising and after reading the posts related to moving, I'm very discouraged, specifically in terms of jobs. Someone on this topic suggested finding a recruiter which is what my next phase is.

I was considering picking up and just seeing what happens since I do have a friend who did that (albeit it was in Amsterdam).

Thanks again, everyone!
IM

DebAckley
  10/24/2017 10:40 EST

Hi Ivy!
Do you have a grandparent or parent that has Irish citizenship so you can apply for a foreign born registry and obtain dual citizenship. If not, immigrating to IE will be difficult. You may want to check citizens information.ie. If you have a particular skill that is needed in IE you might be able to get a work visa. Those skills would be in the medical field ( doctor, nurse) or IT. IE also will expect you to have 50,000 euros (I believe that's $62,000 in USD) in savings. Dublin is very expensive to live in and there is a housing shortage also. I know this sounds discouraging. We tried to retire there ( I have dual citizenship so I could stay...if you don't have it then you will be limited to 90 days)., but could not buy a home as they would not accept my teacher pension and SS funds as income. I am not sure what other EU countries immigration process is....we are glad to be back home in NY, but we do miss IE a lot.
deb

KevinfromKinsaleviaNYC
  10/24/2017 11:32 EST

Ivy, immigration to the EU is getting harder and harder. A popular option for many non-EU citizens is to enroll in school which would give you a couple of years to look for a job. Another is to be an entrepreneur, set up an EU-based company and hire a few employees. Third option is to buy a €500,000 house in Portugal or Spain.

Joshuak
  10/24/2017 17:17 EST

Deb, just a correction on the part about Parent or Grandparent being a citizen. The law says the Parent or Grandparent must have been BORN in Ireland. In other words, you and I that are citizens from our Parent or Grandparent that was BORN in Ireland does not carry on to our grandchildren. If either of us were born there, then it would apply to our grandchildren.

DebAckley
  10/24/2017 18:55 EST

Hi Joshua...Yes, I should have said born in IE. My grandparents both were, but I only was able to track down my grandfather's ( he was born in Belfast) docs. No worries about grandchildren here...my " child" is a 1 1/2 year old Pug/Pekingese...lol! Cheers!

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mmccrane
  10/25/2017 02:26 EST

Hi Ivy,

The post comments here are spot on. If you have never been to Ireland, go and tour it for 60-90 days.
Along the way you can apply to jobs and perhaps get lucky. If not, you will prosper from a grand experience. There is nothing like Ireland!

Cheers!

Mike

ivymcardle
  11/4/2017 12:16 EST

Thanks Mike!! That is EXACTLY what I think I'll do. I'm lucky enough to have two degrees as a therapist and I also work in digital advertising so there's that too.

Now I'm looking for a place to stay come January and I'm excited about it.

Muddled
  11/5/2017 06:03 EST

Please be sure you have a place to return to in the U.S. in case you don't get work/Visa. There is a serious housing crisis in Ireland, particularly around Dublin where a lot of the jobs are. You are taking a massive risk., and I wish you well.

Joshuak
  11/5/2017 15:07 EST

Dear Ivy, You will NOT get a work Visa by just showing up at Dublin Airport from US and ask for a work visa. There are steps you must take ahead of time or when you arrive at Passport Control in Dublin Airport you will be detained and sent back on the next US bound flight. You had better contact the Irish Consulate that covers the area where you live in US and discuss what you need to do before jumping on a plane to Dublin. If you find your degrees in health related skills might be on a "Critical skills list" The consulate may help you immigrate. But if not, I doubt you will be allowed to immigrate and work there. However, as a US citizen you could arrive unannounced and ask for a tourist visa up to 90 days. But they may ask for proof you have enough funds available to sustain yourself for the period you wish to stay. You will also need a return ticket or ticket going outside Ireland that fits the time you asked for. But be aware if they have any idea you will be looking for work, you will not be let in. Passport Control has sent back many US people for various reasons if they think you are anything more than a vacationing tourist.

ivymcardle
  11/5/2017 15:20 EST

@Everyone,

Calm down. I'm not naive and I know that I will not "just get" a visa. I can however stay for a couple of months and figure out what my next steps are.

I appreciate all of your advice.

Many thanks
Ivy

DebAckley
  11/5/2017 15:37 EST

Totally agree with Joshua K. If you google critical skills for IE you will be directed to a govt. post. These skills are medical doctors, nurses, engineers, IT folks. There are some other areas, but all require university training ( grad school for many).
Everyone loves IE and wants to move there, but it is a country the size of West Virginia. They need to take care of their own too.

ivymcardle
  11/5/2017 15:51 EST

Yep got it.

DebAckley
  11/5/2017 17:47 EST

There are many folks on this site who have lived in IE or tried to. We are all about helping folks with questions about moving there. Many folks think they can just move over from the States and take up residence. We wish you the best in your travels..cheers!

ivymcardle
  11/6/2017 02:03 EST

I find it interesting that so many of you are telling me no no no don't move here. There are many Irish who just pick up and move to the States and take up residence here. I appreciate the concern.

FlowerFairy
  11/6/2017 03:05 EST

Hi, as dual British/Australian citizens our road was easy but I never cease to be amazed at how difficult the Irish Govt makes it for their US cousins. Perhaps you should go to Ireland for 60-90 days, test the water (have a great holiday while there) and reassess. Whatever you decide Good Luck.

Meachair54
  11/6/2017 06:47 EST

Ivymcardle,
Many Irish who just up and go to the U.S. , are people who are sponsored for tech and health and business jobs, the others are students who get to stay a year after they finish their schooling to try and find a job. Others come over for vacations or visiting families , then after their allotted stay they disappear into the woodwork. Then some get married to U. S. Citizens and they become U.S. Citizens. It is much easier to come to the U.S. and marry for convenience. Than it is to do the same in Ireland also it it easier to marry legitimately in U.S. Than Ireland and be granted citizenship. The U.S. Is a much bigger place to get lost in after your stay expired.

gfulton
  11/8/2017 11:46 EST

People skills do not seem to be Josh's strong suit. (I will likely get a verbal thrashing for that comment...lol)

Unfortunately, he is pretty spot-on with his advice. What I have done is change my thought process to be more in-line with his advice.

I went through all of the American companies doing business there and have reached out to them. I am now short-listed for a position with a company and am on round 3 of interviews.

My skill set is on the Critical Needs list...like yours may be...so that helps.

Even so, it has taken over a year to get this far. I have learned to be patient...very patient.

If you take the "tone" out of Josh's messages, you will see that he is actually trying to be helpful and save you a great deal of unnecessary effort.

Good luck on your journey!

Joshuak
  11/8/2017 20:13 EST

gfulton: Verbal thrashing; NO. But I can assure you and others you will see the facts when I write. Sometimes the facts are not what some people wish to hear or see and reject them outright as a lie. Similar to our most senior US politicians talking about "fake news". CNN recently has been running a advertisement showing an apple and saying "this is an apple. Somebody can tell you it is a banana over and over again, but it still is an apple. FACTS FIRST". I have been to Ireland for years to visit, sometimes for extended periods of time. I lived there for about 1 1/2 years and leased a brand new 2 bedroom stand alone house in a retirement community in the Town of Enniscorthy which is a short distance North of Wexford Town. I am on my 3rd Irish Passport. I have not been everywhere in Ireland, nor have I done everything, but I can tell you about many things I have done and where I have been on the Emerald Isle. Several times when I lived there I went up on Court Street in Enniscorthy to the "Citizens Information Office" to find out about different laws, rules and general information about Ireland that I needed to know. It is a "gold mine" of data about Ireland with many pamphlets and sheets about most any subject. That same information is also available on the internet at CitizensInformation.ie . As I have said before, Ireland may not be the perfect place in the world to live. Probably that place does not exist. It is a very nice place to visit, but be careful what you wish for. Never "burn your bridges behind you" and remember, the grass is always greener in your neighbors yard until you go to your neighbors yard and look back at your own. You need to also realize there are still Irish people immigrating to the US. Maybe they have reason to believe it is greener in the US ? Again, be careful what you wish for.

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