billmagruder
1/7/2017 14:56 EST
I was in Italy for 63 days, in Nov., Dec., and Jan. Then I cam back to the US. Now I would like to return to Italy on Feb. 13. For how many days can I stay before I am over the 90 day limit in a 180 day period. Can I stay 27 days PLUS an additional 63 days?
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almare2
1/7/2017 16:31 EST
You can find out by using the Schengen calculator at https://ec.europa.eu/assets/home/visa-calculator/calculator.htm?lang=en. At bottom right, there is a link to the user manual.
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almare2
1/7/2017 16:35 EST
BTW, both the day of arrival and the day of departure are counted, even if you arrive very late and depart very early.
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almare2
1/8/2017 10:46 EST
No, both the 90 days and 180 days are counted on a "rolling" basis, counting backward, not forward.
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almare2
1/8/2017 11:40 EST
Using the calculator, I make it that returning on 13 Feb., you have only the 27 days left.
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OldPro
1/9/2017 16:31 EST
It is very easy to calculate. It is as has been mentioned a ROLLING 90 and 180 days.
The problem is that most people either don't understand what 'rolling' means or can't visualize it when trying to figure out where they are in terms of overstaying.
If you print out a calendar that shows from the first date in November that you arrived on through this year, it will be easier to understand.
From your 'first date of entry' you can stay 90 days in the next 180 days. That's easy to understand. Put a box around that first date in November and then count 179 more days and put a box around that day. That is the 180 days since 'first entry'.
You don't say what day in November you first entered so let's take November 14 as an example. In THAT case, May `13 would the the 180th day.
So you cannot stay more than a total of 90 days between Nov. 14, 2016 and May 13, 2017.
Since you have already spent 63 days out of your 90 for that period, then if you return on Feb. 13, you will only be able to stay until March 11.
Now here is where the MAY 13th and 'rolling' comes into play. ON May 13th, it will be 181 days since you entered on November 14 (as in my example). So one day will 'roll' off the beginning of the 180 day period and one day will be added on to the end of the 180 day period.
At the same time, 1 day of the 90 days in the last 180 calendar days that you were in Italy will 'roll' off as well. Both numbers 'roll'.
This is hard to visualize or calculate without having an actual calendar in front of you on which you take off and add on each day to the 180 and 90. It's EASY to do if you do have a calendar in front of you.
Sometimes, the old ways beat technology when it comes to understanding things.
So, the answer is if you return on Feb 13, you can only stay 27 consecutive days.
IF you intend to continue to visit beyond that, you will have to leave until May 13 before you can return at all. How long you will be able to stay for will continue to be determined by how many days you were in Schengen in the previous 180 days and it will continue to 'roll' each day.
There are ways to avoid having to calculate if you are going to be a regular visitor. If for example, you stay 21 days per visit (I use 21 days as an example since that is how many you averaged in Nov,, Dec. and January) you can't do that EVERY month but you can do that EVERY SECOND month and never exceed the 90 in 180.
By the time you get to 180 from 'first entry', the first visit is 'rolling' off the 180 and 90.
You can in fact stay for an entire month every second month and never go over the 90 in 180 restriction.
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OldPro
1/9/2017 16:33 EST
Actually almare2, you have to count both backwards AND forwards. When a day rolls off, a day rolls on. ;-)
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almare2
1/9/2017 17:22 EST
Yes, of course. But often one is still within the 180 day limit even though the beginning may have moved on.
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almare2
1/9/2017 17:23 EST
The online Schengen calculator is actually very easy to use once one gets the hang of it and provides the same results. :-)
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almare2
1/9/2017 17:30 EST
I meant backward in the sense that one cannot say "Well, I just finished 90 days in 180 days, now let's reset the calendar and count forward," which was what the original question seemed to be asking. :-)
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DoppioCittadino
1/10/2017 08:25 EST
Well, so long is we are being so explicit... :)
Let's not forget that this applies to the entire Schengen Territory - not just Italy.
So, if you, for example, fly into Paris on Monday the 13th and enter Italy on Tuesday the 14th, the date that matters is the 13th. Similarly, the date of exit is not the date you leave Italy but the date you leave the Schengen Territory.
A question that has been often asked is, "Can I stay in Italy for 90 days, go to France for 90 days, and then return to Italy?" The answer is a resounding "No!"
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almare2
1/10/2017 08:43 EST
Yes, that is in fact specified on the page of the online Schengen calculator, where you "Entrr previous stays in the Schengen area."
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almare2
1/10/2017 09:07 EST
Ireland is outside the Schengen area. You can see a map and list at https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area.
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Sergios
1/11/2017 03:56 EST
The Schengen Area consists of 22 European Union member states and four non-members who are members of EFTA: Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway and Switzerland. Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus and Romania are not yet part of the Schengen Area but, nonetheless, have a visa policy that is based on the Schengen acquis.
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