bogart2
2/5/2017 15:06 EST
Over the last year there have ben a couple of mentions of Italian lawyers with visa/immigration experience. I am having trouble finding the references. If you know/have used an Italian lawyer for visa or citizenship, please forward the information to me or post. Thanks.
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Russo
2/7/2017 10:50 EST
Hello Bogart,
I'm Roberto, nice to meet you, I'm an immigration consultant and I'm available to support and help you for the immigration process in Italy.
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LuciaGrazia
2/7/2017 14:02 EST
Hi Roberto,
I have a question. I was born in Naples, Italy to American citizen parents. My Dad was in the Navy and was stationed there. My goal is to establish residency in Italy after I retire and then apply for Italian Citizenship. I have read that it takes a year of residency before that can happen. What type of Visa is best to apply for to achieve that goal? Also, I will make approximately $4,000 a month in retirement income. Is that enough to live on in Italy? Will the Italian officials approve my application based on this? Thank you for any help you can give me.
Lucia
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DoppioCittadino
2/7/2017 16:22 EST
I think you are quite confused.
Persons born on US soil are automatically US citizens, regardless of the status of their parents. This is not the norm for most countries, and not the way it works in Italy.
When you were born in Italy to US-citizen parents, you inherited US citizenship, however you *did not* gain any right whatsoever to Italian citizenship merely by being born on Italian soil.
So, unless you have some other claim to citizenship, you will have to do it the hard way - typically, 10 years of living *legally* in Italy.
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DoppioCittadino
2/7/2017 16:26 EST
To the rest of your question:
Since you intend to retire, you will need to apply for an "Elective Residency" visa, the primary requirement seems to be that you can prove annual guaranteed income of around €31 - €35,000 (the exact amount varies by consulate). Seems like you may have that covered.
Go to http://vistoperitalia.esteri.it/home/en scroll down to the question and answer section.
Also, search this forum for "elective residency" or "er visa" - there are many threads here on the subject.
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Sergios
2/8/2017 03:35 EST
Hi. I can help with that. Your being born in Naples does not get you citizenship. You need to have an Italian citizen in you direct assendancy (parent, grandparent). If that is the case you do not need a visa. You just need to travel to Italy on a tourist visa and apply for your permesso di sogiorno within 8 days. At the same time you go to the commune and start the residency process. You will need a none transient housing contract. The.n you go to stato civile and apply for your citizenship. As far as time, if you personally lost your citizenship, you will regain it within a year. If your parents lost theirs before you were born then it's 2 years residency. Grandparents then 3. Income requirements are not checked and it is assumed that you can survive without welfare..
Hope that helpd
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overanddone
2/8/2017 06:55 EST
I have documents issued by US agencies ( like SS registration, death certificates, marriage licences ) that state all of my grandparents were born in Italy and presumably citizens. For two I have the exact date and Town, What will I need to prove my grandparents were born in italy from the Italian Government and how do I get it?
Thanks Tony Tursi
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Sergios
2/8/2017 07:47 EST
You need to write a letter to the commune where they were born as for a birth certificate for each one, marriage certificates and death certificates. You could ask for integral certificate that covers all of the above. If they died in a different place and the birth commune does not have the records, you must ask the death commune for the records. Same with marriage. There are companies on the internet that can help you get those documents, for a fee.
You also need all of the US documents, legalized and apostiled to bring with you.
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DoppioCittadino
2/8/2017 08:37 EST
There are now three questioners in this thread, each asking quite different questions with quite different answers.
Can we all try to avoid this in the future? :)
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Sergios
2/8/2017 12:51 EST
Hello Doppio, what exactly do you mean? We shouldn't ask questions to clarify the facts?
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Sergios
2/8/2017 12:54 EST
Hello Doppio, what exactly do you mean? We shouldn't ask questions to clarify the facts? This particular topic is confusing to most people on this forum because most people on this forum are interested in long stay visas and this is not that topic. In fact it has nothing to do with long stay visas and it's important that that is made clear.
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maluza86
2/8/2017 13:19 EST
The problem is the original poster asked about an immigration lawyer in Italy, which was answered, presumably by an immigration lawyer. Then another poster asked about what seemed to be wanting info on an elective residency visa, however they seemed confused as what they were asking. Then another poster asked about obtaining citizenship. So now there are three topics under "Immigration Lawyer." So if I tried to search for a topic it would be very difficult... at least that's my take. Elective residency visas, residency requirements, and obtaining citizenship have all been covered in other threads.
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DoppioCittadino
2/8/2017 13:42 EST
maluza86,
Yes, exactly.
And, to be fair to everyone, I think a thread should attempt to stay true, in so far as is possible, to the question asked by the person who began the thread and to any *related* follow-up questions.
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LuciaGrazia
2/8/2017 19:28 EST
Thank you. For years I have been told by my parents that I held a dual citizenship. Was this not true?
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maluza86
2/8/2017 22:46 EST
Lucia,
I believe you were mislead. As a child born of American parents overseas, you are an American and hold an American birth certificate (consular birth abroad). If neither of your parents or grand-parents are of Italian descent, you have no claims to reacquire citizenship, as you never had it.
This is from the consular website, so if you were born on an American military base in Italy you wouldn't even have an Italian birth certificate. However if you were born on the economy, you might have both, but the below would then apply:
"A child born to foreign parents in Italy doesn’t automatically acquire Italian citizenship but has the right to it provided it’s requested before the child reaches the age of 18."
Again, you would best go to your nearest consulate in the US and ask the question.
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DoppioCittadino
2/9/2017 07:12 EST
"A child born to foreign parents in Italy doesn’t automatically acquire Italian citizenship but has the right to it provided it’s requested before the child reaches the age of 18."
And, to the best of my knowledge, that child must live his entire first 18 years of life on Italian soil with allowances made only for short vacations, etc. outside Italy. He/she would have to apply in the year before turning 18 but citizenship would not be actually granted until the 18th birthday.
Something like that, anyway.
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Sergios
2/9/2017 07:46 EST
Italian citizenship law is based on the concept jure sanguinis, citizenship by blood. The new world uses jure solis, citizenship by birth place. There is some overlap but basically those are the standards used. Therefore, to have a right to italian citizenship you must prove italian blood in your ascendancy {parents, grandparents, and so forth}. As was described by Doppio, birth gives you only limited rights to citizenship.
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englishann
2/14/2017 20:19 EST
Hello, Bogart and Russo/Roberto,
I would also like to find a lawyer experienced in ex-pat law, preferably in Umbria or nearby. As an English ex-pat, I need to research what my position will be when the UK leaves the EU, and how I should best prepare for this.
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DoppioCittadino
2/15/2017 10:05 EST
englishann,
At this time, I am sure that no one can answer your questions because it is all undecided law at this point.
The EU can take any stance they want to on this subject and, no doubt, that will depend partly on the UK's stance - the greater the separation the UK insists on, the more likely the EU is to play hardball on these related issues.
Aside from the legal issues, there is something else that may need to be considered - how will the average Italian react to Brits among them once Brexit is complete? There is a risk that you may find yourself persona non grata, just as many of today's refugees who have made it to Italy do...
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lifelover
2/15/2017 10:19 EST
That would be very sad indeed for those that have homes and a life in Italy ( including refugees) . I am sure these people wanted a united Europe ( otherwise they wouldn't have ventured outside their own countries)
Another question to consider would be how to stay in Italy as an EU citizen( not Italian ) if Italy
Decides to leave the EU.
Immigration lawyers out there on the forum ??
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DoppioCittadino
2/15/2017 10:39 EST
lifelover,
The answer is the same.
The countries (UK, Italy) and the EU can negotiate any sort of agreement they want to. For example, they might (perhaps even probably) negotiate a "grandfather" clause which permits those expats already present as of some specific date to remain. On the other hand they might just as easily decide that expats need to leave within 3 months...
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Sergios
2/15/2017 11:49 EST
Italians are not that way. They will not discriminate against people that are already established and have homes here. Or even visitors. During the worst times of the early Iraq conflict, during the freedom fries era, italians were still welcoming of americans. So were the french and the rest of the europeans.
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DoppioCittadino
2/15/2017 12:21 EST
Sergios,
Yes, I know that.
However, look at what has happened in the UK when many people (particularly young men, I think) began harassing migrants/immigrants nearly the day after the Brexit vote passed, telling them they "needed to pack their stuff and leave now" and "don't you see you are not wanted here?"
I have no doubt that Italy will suffer the same attacks from some of her young men as well. Few and far between, perhaps, but still just as unpleasant if you are on the receiving end of such an attack.
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