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worlddan
3/15/2017 14:41 EST

I am a American male and have plans on relocating to Italy later this year. I'm in an established relationship with an Italian lady, and plans are to settle there post retirement. I looked into get residency visa, but don't like the option that I can't work. We plan on getting married, so I'm taking that route to getting a Visa. Can any of you that have married an Italian citizen provide any information in regards to obtaining VISA information and other helpful information? While I intend to move there this fall, the wedding itself would not happen until summer of 2018. Thank you.

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Sergios
3/16/2017 03:41 EST

If you marry before you go you will not need a visa. You will still need to get a permesso di soggiorno however. You get it directly at the questura rather than going the post office route. The first thing you will need to do is to legalize your marriage certificate (apostle, translation) and then have it registered with the commune. Once that is done you need to apply for residency. Once you get residency the clock starts. After two years you go to the prefettura and get your citizenship. During this time I am not sure if you will be allowed to work. That's a question for the questura when you apply for the permesso. My suspicion is that you will not but I am not sure about that.

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Sergios
3/16/2017 03:41 EST

If you marry before you go you will not need a visa. You will still need to get a permesso di soggiorno however. You get it directly at the questura rather than going the post office route. The first thing you will need to do is to legalize your marriage certificate (apostle, translation) and then have it registered with the commune. Once that is done you need to apply for residency. Once you get residency the clock starts. After two years you go to the prefettura and get your citizenship. During this time I am not sure if you will be allowed to work. That's a question for the questura when you apply for the permesso. My suspicion is that you will not but I am not sure about that.

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Sergios
3/16/2017 03:47 EST

Also you are not restricted by the 8 day requirement for applying for the permesso. That gives you time to get your paper work in order. You will need your codice fiscale, birth certificate (legalized), you will eventually need a conviction record (when you go for the citizenship). Good luck.

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JacksterJam
3/16/2017 04:01 EST

A couple of thoughts as I understand the "rules": 1) If you come to Italy and stay longer than 90 days, which seems to be the plan, you will need a visa and subsequently apply for a permesso di soggioro 2) If you want to work during that time, you will specifically need a work visa (and permesso di soggiorno), which are difficult to come by, but not impossible. 3) If you plan to marry before the end of the 90-day visa-free travel allowance, you will not need a visa, but you will, as Sergios pointed out, still need to apply for a permesso di soggiorno (all foreign non-Italian citizens are required to have a stay permit). 4) If you choose to to become an Italian citizen down the road, the stay permit (permesso di soggiorno) will no longer be required.

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lindanoto
3/16/2017 05:19 EST

Leave the USA married. Do a quickie , no frills, Vegas wedding( they handle all document certification for a very small fee , and it all arrived at our Italian address before the anticipated date) and avoid all the hassles. Then if you feel the need to spend more money you can have a second ceremony in Italy. I was entitled to Italian citizenship thru my grandfather, had gathered all my documentation, been to Boston consulate but figured if we were planning on getting married and coming to the States to see family anyway it would be so much easier this way . I had been over here in Europe for the past 10 years ( don't ask) and if we had chosen to marry here it would have been much more complicated and time consuming. I easily could have got stuck back in the States for a long period. Instead I received my residence and 2 years later citizenship. It depends on where you apply ( and sometimes who yourItalian spouse knows) but it was by far one of the easiest things I have had to do here.

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angkulet
3/16/2017 05:27 EST

I married an Italian man last December in Torino after 3 years of going in and out of the country on a tourist visa. We explored all options including work and study visas but getting married was the easiest of them all. And when I say easy, it wasn't even easy at all.

I think you have no other option but to do the tourist visa as well. If you can obtain the multiple entry visa, then you have the option of staying in Italy or schengen area at a maximum of 90 days per entry. If you need to do an exit, you must stay 90 days as well outside of the Schengen area before you can come back in again. The Schengen visa does not cover all EU countries, so sometimes we exited to Croatia.

As with regards to getting married, first, you have to determine where you are getting married. Even if it's still for next year it's not too early to start with preparing the documents. I am a Philippine citizen so I cannot marry an Italian citizen at my own Embassy. It has to be done in my commune. I have a multiple entry visa valid for one year but it is subject to the 90/180 rule. My 90 days was ending January 9. When we went to the anagrafe main office of Torino to get the marriage requirements for italian citizens, we were informed that the earliest available schedule was set for February. So we found a commune, that was not so crowded and could arrange an earlier schedule, and we opted for Bardonecchia as my then-boyfriend's family has a house there and they could do it any time with the mayor or the vice mayor. From my side I only needed a Nulla Osta (a certificate of no previous marriage or annulment or divorce, basically a statement that you are single and allowed to marry), a translated copy of my birth certificate, the original of which was authenticated by my Department of Foreign Affairs in Manila (they do not translate if it's not authenticated), both issued by the Philippine embassy in Milano, and a copy of my passport.

Your requirements might be different but I'm just putting this here to give you an idea.

Only after marriage can you get a resident certificate which they call a permesso di soggiorno, which I suppose takes the place of the visa, then you can apply for a carta d'identita.

I hope this helps! Good luck!

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traceyspada
3/16/2017 10:58 EST

Thanks for the information. I also got married to my Italian husband here in the USA. We are looking at moving to Italy. Can you let me know where you filed your marriage paperwork? Did you do it through the Italian Consulate here in the USA first, or did you file in Italy at the Commune?

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lindanoto
3/16/2017 12:39 EST

If he has Italian citizenship do it here. You are automatically allowed to stay if he is a resident in Italy or he re establishes residency here.
Get the documents translated , apostilled , and come over . I am basing this on my experience of having no dependants , criminal record .

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lindanoto
3/16/2017 12:42 EST

Comune . One M . Not being snarky, just constantly see it spelled wrong here and it drives me nuts

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angkulet
3/16/2017 13:15 EST

Haha. The double letters are super tricky for me. I'm learning Italian and there are so many double letters everywhere and I get so confused. So I always assume it is a double.

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lindanoto
3/16/2017 13:31 EST

Yes, but there are people here many years and they never learn . I was reading a "how to move to Italy " book some guy wrote and he had some good basic info ( along with some complete rubbish) but it lost so much credibility with all the wrong terminology and misspelled words.

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lindanoto
3/16/2017 13:35 EST

We did it at the Chapel where Elvis was married to Priscilla . It was a trip! They took care of the apostille , and mailed to our home in Sicily.

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