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NurseBella1
  3/23/2019 17:56 EST

Hi everyone. My post is long so please be patient with me :) Can someone please tell me if i apply for the "Permesso Di Sogiorno" in Italy does that allow me to live in Italy permanently? Is yes, do i just keep renewing it? At the end of 5 years of renewing it, do i have the option to become a resident of Italy or a citizen of Italy? As a resident can i live in Italy forever? With the "Permesso Di Sogiorno" do i need to prove i have an apartment or house in my name?
Can a B&B or hotel address be used if staying longterm in them while processing documents? What other things do i have to prove with the "Permesso Di Sogiorno.? A friend of mine who receives SSDI from America will also be applying for "Permesso Di Dogiorno" but they receive SSDI from Social Security in USA. Will they have to pay any taxes to Italy on SSDI with "Permesso Di Sogiorno"? So, what is the difference between getting a "Dual Citizenship" & "Permesso di Sogiorno" or "Dual Citizenship", right now he is on SSDI and pays no taxes in the USA because SSDI is considered non-working income. If i want to get a 'Dual Citizenship' can i apply in Italy. What is the cost? Will any city in Italy process this? How long does it take?? Also for either one of these do i need to stay in Italy while processing? Also for either one of these that i listed do they need the ORIGINAL documents and DO THEY KEEP THE ORIGINALS?, or just copy them?

maluza86
  3/23/2019 22:12 EST

Hello NurseBella, you are confusing many terms in your post. If you do a search you will find answers to all your questions. However, in the interest of trying to find some consolidated answers first thing to understand in your situation is do you have Italian Citizenship, or can you attain it through bloodlines?

The answer to that determines the whole process of whether or not you need a Visa first. You apply for a PdiS once you enter the country. After you receive the PdiS you apply for Residence.

If you are not a dual citizen or cannot claim Italian citizenship through blood, then you will need to have ample income to obtain a Visa.

SS income or SSDI will not be nearly enough for the Italian Consulates to approve a Visa application. You'll need to have supplemental income, substantial savings/investment and provide a copy of a yearly rental agreement.

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rsetzer99
  3/24/2019 03:59 EST

I blogged every step of the process for our retirement to. Italy. We are Americans. www.theslowtourist.com

codybrandy
  3/24/2019 06:03 EST

Dear NurseBella....you have a lot of reading to do first. Maluza, Retzer and Sergios are wonderful sources as is this website. I would start with reading and then a visit to your consulate for an info appointment. One of the biggest obstacles you will find is having a large enough amount of cash (usually at least 30K+) in savings or some sort of holdings to show on the documents you will submit. Once here you do no longer need to provide financial info when continuing to apply for elective residence visas (yes, you have to re-apply c. every 2yrs unless you go for citizenship). Do you have your Codice Fiscale...that's a good very first step...apply at consulate...you'll always need it and it doesn't expire. Step two: don't get discouraged and give yourself plenty of time to get everything done. Step three: know where you would like to be in Italy for at least 1 yr...you will need a signed contract/lease for the first visa process. Step four: see step 2...there is a LOT of bureaucracy and you will get different answers from different agencies/people...just breathe and do the best you can. Good Luck...you can do it...we did.

Sergios
  3/24/2019 07:14 EST

It's sounds from this side of the screen that you have a desire to live in Italy but have not yet done the hard work of finding out how it can be done. The replies you've gotten so far on this site have been right to the point given the little information you've provided. Please don't be discouraged if you discover obstacles along your desired path. There are always detours if you want it bad enough. Now, inorder for us to help you, so we are not guessing about what you need, provide a bit more information.
1) Do you have an Italian parent or grandparent?
2) besides your limited income, do you have property, savings, investments?
3) Does the other person you mentioned have any of these?
4) Do you intend to retire in Italy or just move expecting to work?
5) Do you have parents or grandparents or even great-grandfather parents from any other EU country?
6) Do you marketable skills?

As the others have said, go through the archives on this site. Expect to spend more than a few hours.

Sergios
  3/24/2019 07:16 EST

Sorry for the typos.

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Umbertomar
  3/24/2019 08:04 EST

The info on the previous posts replying to yours are good.
First find the Italian consulate in the US that deals with your area in the US.
https://embassy-finder.com/italy_in_usa
The web site for the applicable consulate will give you the details regarding applying for a visa for elective residence. Different Consulates have different requirements, particularly relating to required financial resources and Italian lease terms (air bandbs do not normally qualify).
The following website will give you great detail on mostly all aspects of immigrating. Google translate is sufficient for understanding. http://www.poliziadistato.it/archivio/category/1237
Each province may have some nuances in administration and / or adherence to the rules..These nuances may change depending on who is in charge.
If you have a specific US Consulate and specific province of interest more specific information may be available

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