hambone1922
2/10/2017 10:37 EST
I am interested in moving from the US to Montego Bay. Below are my top concerns:
-Healthcare: I am diabetic and I would need quality healthcare and access to medications
-To Rent or to Buy - Is it more feasible to rent or buy a home as a first time international expat?
- Education: My daughter is 4 and I would like to move in 2 years. What are the most recommended schools? Also, what is the US tuition rates?
-Crime - What areas are most safe in Montego Bay?
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RickBlaine
2/10/2017 11:53 EST
Not to burst your bubble... are you a Jamaican National by birth or mother/father? Spouse of a Jamaican National? or already have secured Jamaican Residency per PICA regulations/law?
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hambone1922
2/10/2017 11:56 EST
Hi Rick, no I am not any of those. I am considering renouncing if that is the better option and after an extensive amount of research before moving. What are the PICA laws? I think I read that you can become a citizen after living there for 5 years? Thank you for your insight.
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Gardis
2/10/2017 12:23 EST
Excuse me hambone, did you actually say "Renouncing", meaning renouncing your US Citizenship?? No, I must be wrong. Because guess what, I know a whole heap of Jamaicans that would cut their right hand off to take your place, so I'm sure I misunderstood.
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hambone1922
2/10/2017 12:52 EST
I came on this site to gather information and not to debate about personal decisions. I wanted to gain some insight on the advantages and disadvantages of citenzenship.
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hambone1922
2/10/2017 12:52 EST
I came on this site to gather information and not to debate about personal decisions. I wanted to gain some insight on the advantages and disadvantages of citenzenship.
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RickBlaine
2/10/2017 13:49 EST
Very simple... you will only be admitted on a 90 day tourist visa and must leave the country when the 90 days are up. I believe you can return after 3 - 5 days however after awhile you'll be flagged as a perpetual visitor and at some point refused admission.
There is no path to citizenship other than by birth or marriage (that I am aware of)
As a tourist you will be able to get a TRN, you might be able to open a bank account but doubtful.
I wish I could give you more positive information but there isn't any.
Good luck!!
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Cessj
2/10/2017 13:57 EST
Hi there, I'm sure that others have advised this, but I would suggest that you rent a place initially until you've spent a year or two in JA and you're sure that you want to settle there permanently. I really wouldn't put all your eggs in one basket, and I would definitely not commit to moving all your hard earned monies to JA. I don't know much about Mobay as I lived in Kingston, but reports that I've read and heard about MoBay aren't good, though I'm sure that it depends on location etc...but I would, as I say, try renting for a while until you're more familiar with the place and you're sure that you want to commit to living there long-term. Healthwise, I am also a diabetic, but I found healthcare in general in JA to be below par, and so I tend to see my GP for my 6 monthly reviews whenever I return to the UK and I also stock up on the free meds that I need. I also ensure when in the UK that I get general health MOTs. This is just my perspective and others may offer theirs. Whatever you decide, the very best of luck...
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Cessj
2/10/2017 14:04 EST
Hi Hambone, the decision to renounce your USA citizenship is yours and yours alone, but I do think that's a very serious step to take. In any case as RickBlaine says, getting JA citizenship is definitely going to be a long hard struggle and unless you were born in or your parents are JA or you marry a Jamaican, then it will be almost impossible to get citizenship, though you might get residency - eventually.
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Cessj
2/10/2017 14:05 EST
Hi there, I'm sure that others have advised this, but I would suggest that you rent a place initially until you've spent a year or two in JA and you're sure that you want to settle there permanently. I really wouldn't put all your eggs in one basket, and I would definitely not commit to moving all your hard earned monies to JA. I don't know much about Mobay as I lived in Kingston, but reports that I've read and heard about MoBay aren't good, though I'm sure that it depends on location etc...but I would, as I say, try renting for a while until you're more familiar with the place and you're sure that you want to commit to living there long-term. Healthwise, I am also a diabetic, but I found healthcare in general in JA to be below par, and so I tend to see my GP for my 6 monthly reviews whenever I return to the UK and I also stock up on the free meds that I need. I also ensure when in the UK that I get general health MOTs. This is just my perspective and others may offer theirs. Whatever you decide, the very best of luck...
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hambone1922
2/10/2017 14:47 EST
Thank You for your insight and advice Rick. Would you mind telling me more about your journey to JA and what your current status is there? (Resident, etc.). What made you decide to live there? What is your profession? If you do not feel comfortable answering this in the forum; please feel free to message me privately.
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hambone1922
2/10/2017 14:51 EST
Hi Edmon, I was wondering about dual citizenship. Based on what I have read so far, JA recognizes dual citizenship but the US doesn't; meaning I would have to renounce in order to become a citizen of JA (if I can even become one). Please elaborate if you don't mind. I'm very interested in knowing more about this.
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Gardis
2/10/2017 18:48 EST
I'm not sure you're correct about that (dual citizenship not allowed). Have a look at this link, but you would need legal advice to be sure: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal-considerations/us-citizenship-laws-policies/citizenship-and-dual-nationality/dual-nationality.html
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edmon59
2/10/2017 19:27 EST
Gardis, Yeah, problematic to say the least. I know dozens of people in JA with dual citizenship, but all of them are wealthy Jamaicans who fly to Florida to have their children. Some I know have been doing this for many generations. I thought about it a bit and realized I don't know any Americans with dual citizenship.....lesson learned. The next best option, as Rickblaine mentioned, is the residence permit. That one can be done, but it's no walk in the park.
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Gardis
2/10/2017 19:29 EST
Flying to the USA to have their children? if that's true, that is a travesty. I can't think of another country that allows that, except us!
Gardis MAGA!
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hambone1922
2/10/2017 19:56 EST
So if I'm understanding this correctly lol, in order for me to obtain dual citizenship without "applying" for it, (based on my current situation), I would have to marry a Jamaican to be considered an automatic citizen. Say if you have a child with a Jamaican resident in which that child was born in Jamaica, would the naturalization of my child give me "honorary" citizenship status? (hypothetical scenario).
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edmon59
2/11/2017 07:53 EST
If you marry a Jamaican you can apply for resident status. It needs to be renewed from time to time. It'is the first step on the road to citizenship. the pica site has this info. If you have a baby in Jamaica you would have to go through some legal gymnastics in the US for citizenship there, but it's entirely doable. easier to pursue residency through a business or retirement., and I'd have the baby in the US for a number of reasons.....
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edmon59
2/11/2017 07:57 EST
http://www.pica.gov.jm/immigration/general-immigration-information/permanent-residence/
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edmon59
2/11/2017 08:05 EST
This is for simple residency.....you may be able to pull it off if you have enough cash in the bank. http://www.congenjamaica-ny.org/citizenship/residency/
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