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Marinoni14
  12/4/2016 03:54 EST

http://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/mexico-third-most-dangerous-country/
Not sure what to say about this. They say the homicide rate for MX is 17/100,000 people. That differs from another source which stated 30/100,000. Problem is, whether 17 or 30, it's starting to hit close to home. We saw a murdered man dumped in the middle of the highway in our peaceful area. Near a family members home 6 people were executed. Reading of many car accident deaths on roads I travel frequently. Just seems delusional to ignore the cheapness of life here.

CoconutBowling
  12/5/2016 11:10 EST

Chicago has a murder rate of 20.55 per 100,000 and your point is?

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Rodrigo1974
  12/5/2016 11:20 EST

you must have a really bad temper, at least amongst your own nationality, coc'. for some reason i'm pretty sure that you keep it deeply concealed south of the border!

Marinoni14
  12/5/2016 11:24 EST

Coconut, lol...I don't live in Chicago, and your point is?

Marinoni14
  12/5/2016 11:28 EST

"you must have a really bad temper, at least amongst your own nationality, coc'. for some reason i'm pretty sure that you keep it deeply concealed south of the border!" If I had a bad temper I wouldn't be alive today, quite certain of that. Just trying to come to terms with the reality of violence here in the Baja. Didn't mean any offence by posting that article but its the first time I've read of Mexico being in the top 10, and here they are at 3 according to this particular risk consultant.

Marinoni14
  12/5/2016 11:31 EST

""you must have a really bad temper, at least amongst your own nationality, coc'. for some reason i'm pretty sure that you keep it deeply concealed south of the border!" If I had a bad temper I wouldn't be alive today, quite certain of that. Just trying to come to terms with the reality of violence here in the Baja. Didn't mean any offence by posting that article but its the first time I've read of Mexico being in the top 10, and here they are at 3 according to this particular risk consultant."..........oops, I misread, that that was for me, I understand now

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Marinoni14
  12/5/2016 11:33 EST

"..........oops, I misread, that that was for me, I understand now"........should have read "that was NOT for me"........my brain is not working this morning

MexJuan1
  12/5/2016 13:38 EST

After seeing this I looked all over the internet and found, at least, five other lists where Mexico wasn't even in the Top Ten! With that idiot as incoming President and the rest of his idiots spewing lies and fake news, don't believe it. At the very least, it's American Republican Propaganda.
Here's a good example of their logic. Ben Carson grew up poor so that makes him qualified to run HUD. I can drive a car, maybe I'll be Sec'y of Transportation?! The Monkeys are TRULY "running the zoo".

Marinoni14
  12/5/2016 13:42 EST

"After seeing this I looked all over the internet and found, at least, five other lists where Mexico wasn't even in the Top Ten!" .....that's sort of what I assumed. I didn't understand how they could compare Mexico to Guatamala.

MexJuan1
  12/5/2016 13:50 EST

Or Libya or Syria or The Sudan or Afghanistan or Iraq, Iran and on and on and on... The current American Political "machine" will say ANYTHING, tell any lie to put Mexico in a bad light. Just expect it for a while. Along with the Travel Warnings...

MexJuan1
  12/5/2016 14:00 EST

Did this article originate in the same place as the one about Hillary Clinton running a child sex slave operation out of the back of a pizza joint in D.C.? Breitbart News and Steve Bannon maybe?

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Jake777
  12/5/2016 14:11 EST

I don't know where you got your information but Mexico for the most part is perfectly safe. The border towns are where the danger is greatest. If you go on Numbeo.com and check the latest statistics on crime in Mexico for the area you are interested in you will find that for the most part it is quite low. Cancun is a good example, as well as Playa del Carmen. There is crime everywhere and if you go to dodgy areas you will find it.

Cozumeldeb
  12/5/2016 14:21 EST

Total BS Mexico is no way in 3rd place..no doubt in cartel controlled areas the situation is bad..but I live in Chicago 1/2 time and lord knows there are bad areas there..you don't go to..sorry for the people that have to live there..

Marinoni14
  12/5/2016 14:22 EST

http://www.businessinsider.com/verisk-maplecroft-criminality-index-2016-worst-countries-2016-11/#13-nigeria-237-africas-largest-economy-has-made-big-strides-in-recent-years-but-with-the-prevalence-of-the-terrorist-group-boko-haram-and-insurgents-like-the-niger-delta-avengers-the-threat-of-violence-in-nigeria-remains-extreme-1 , it may have originated from here. An independent risk consultant provided the report. My they were hired to provide a 'specific' report.

Marinoni14
  12/5/2016 14:24 EST

"I don't know where you got your information but Mexico for the most part is perfectly safe. " Jake777, I'm certainly willing to question Mexico at being #3, but your statement about Mexico being perfectly safe is absolutely foolish. Mexico is not perfectly safe.

MexJuan1
  12/5/2016 14:26 EST

Chicago, Cleveland, Oakland, L. A.,San Francisco, New Orleans, Jacksonville, Orlando, Miami... The list is very long.
Even the small NE Ohio town I lived in of 40,000 ppl is getting bad.

Plumeau1
  12/5/2016 14:33 EST

Realize, that publishing these warning, the keep American spending theirs $$$$$ in the USA.
Unless you want to play with their lucrative powder stuff market, everywhere in Mexico is safe.

Plumeau1
  12/5/2016 14:36 EST

Chicago 700 homicides
Wow...it is quite safe !!!

Marinoni14
  12/5/2016 14:59 EST

I'm not sure comparing violence in Mexico to a U.S. city provides any value. I'm not interested in Chicago or Oakland at all. But I am pondering the safety in the Northern Baja and I found that new report on Mexico being #3 in the world interesting but likely bogus. I may find one of those 'perfectly' safe areas and move there. But those safe areas do not exist in Baja California, north or south where I haved lived. Hope my grammar is OK.

nelsonokelmgmailcom
  12/5/2016 16:03 EST

Puerto Vallarta is VERY safe. Been here 3 years. A few robberies but most expats here feel safe. Large police force and they look out for the expat. Loving it here.

Marinoni14
  12/5/2016 16:27 EST

"Puerto Vallarta is VERY safe. Been here 3 years. A few robberies but most expats here feel safe. Large police force and they look out for the expat. Loving it here." I've been hearing PV over and over again, will definitely check it out. Thanks for the input.

MexJuan1
  12/5/2016 16:29 EST

I will say this. Western Mexico, the Baja, Jaliso, Juarez and the Central Corridor, logistically, due to being able to drive to Texas, Arizona and California and the close proximity to the states, I'm sure, are rife with drugs and trafficking. The Eastern side, specifically The Yucatan, is not so accessible as you have to fly or go by sea to get to the states so, the logistics of location are a factor as well I would think. It seems obvious...

MexiScott
  12/5/2016 21:19 EST

Did this happen in northern Baja?

MexiScott
  12/5/2016 21:28 EST

These articles never fail to worry me when I read them. I'm concerned about bringing my family into an unsafe situation when we move down to the QRO area. I remind myself that in 18 years of traveling to the area we have never had a crime related problem. My in-laws have been living in Mexico for a long time and they have mostly been untouched by crime and or violence. We plan to move to a nice area, obey the laws, stay off the streets at night, and keep a low profile.

nelsonokelmgmailcom
  12/5/2016 21:33 EST

Most of the fatalities either have cartel ties or are doing dumb things like trying to get drugs, driving at night, or flashing LARGE sums of money. If you mind your own business and don't do stupid things your chance of getting into trouble are slim to none. And slim just left town!!!

Marinoni14
  12/5/2016 21:48 EST

"If you mind your own business and don't do stupid things your chance of getting into trouble are slim to none." No, that's not even close to true. Maybe much of Mexico it is, but not Baja North. 13 executions in Baja Sur, at the news indicates clearly at least 3 were innocent people at the wrong place at the wrong time. I haven't read the details on Cabo, but there 7 people executed. The violent robberies are on the rise and they aren't cartel related.

nelsonokelmgmailcom
  12/5/2016 21:53 EST

Doing a stupid thing also includes living in those areas!!!!! I am in PV. I am safe and having the time of my life!! I would NEVER consider living in Baja or Acapulco. Where you live is your choice. If you choose to live in a high crime area YOU have made that choice. I chose PV and could never be happier!!

Marinoni14
  12/5/2016 22:17 EST

"Doing a stupid thing also includes living in those areas!!!!! " it's truly humorous but a little sad reading the comments of those that don't read the entire post before commenting.

Marinoni14
  12/5/2016 22:20 EST

So I will make my final statement on this post as I did start this. I realize I gullible to think that Mexico could be right behind Guatamala on the dangerous countries list. I realize that the rating of #3 provided by the independent risk consultant was likely well paid for and is simple propaganda to scare American from moving to Mexico. On to some more positive posts.

MexJuan1
  12/5/2016 22:35 EST

I agree! Let's talk about how the U. S. is now the #1 most dangerous country because of Donald Trump (a very dangerous man!) and the Republican Politicians. You know, quality ppl like Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, racists and bigots like Steve Bannon and Gen. Flynn, idiot's like Reince Priebus (is that REALLY a name?) and Ben Carson, crooks like Steve Mnuchin and Wilbur Ross, traitors (who actually DID give CONFIDENTIAL DOCUMENTS AND EMAILS to civilians, plead guilty and served time and is now being considered for the 3rd highest post in this country!) like Gen. Petraeus. The U. S. is a very dangerous place with ppl like this running it!!! I'm thinking that the U. S. is the Banana Republic now and Mexico is moving and will move ahead of us by leaps and bounds

Rodrigo1974
  12/5/2016 22:53 EST

and what are Mexican politicians, a bunch of heroes, saints and martyrs, you scientist, you??!! a politician is a politician is a politician, regardless of what their nationality is.

WoodwindWayne
  12/5/2016 23:38 EST

MexJuan has an advanced degree in Ranting and Raving. Pass the bananas!

MexJuan1
  12/6/2016 00:11 EST

Have to admit. You do have a point. But none of them don't quite like the Americans do and NOBODY is Donald Trump except Donald Trump. Anyway, I believe he'll be impeached over non-divestiture and Pence will be the President. I think that's been the "plan" all along...

OtterBeMe
  12/6/2016 02:45 EST

Marinoni14, none of us know "the truth" and really the only thing that we can go on and depend on it is the voice of people we know first hand and personal experience. Luck has something to do with this. People quoting facts about there being more murders in Chicago proves nothing. It's like saying, "You'll only lose ONE eye, instead of both." Who the heck wants to have losing an eye as an option?

OtterBeMe
  12/6/2016 02:48 EST

Well said, Rodrigo....A politician IS a politician....and crooked is crooked and greedy is greedy.....

OtterBeMe
  12/6/2016 02:50 EST

Marinoni14, none of us know "the truth" and really the only thing that we can go on and depend on it is the voice of people we know first hand and personal experience. Luck has something to do with this. People quoting facts about there being more murders in Chicago proves nothing. It's like saying, "You'll only lose ONE eye, instead of both." Who the heck wants to have losing an eye as an option?

Johnny67
  12/6/2016 17:13 EST

I agree, I live in Chicago full time and the crime is just getting worse. Looking to move to Mexico in the future. Will be celebrating New Year's Eve in D. F. . And plan on checking out places (towns) to live while we are out there.

CoconutBowling
  12/7/2016 22:30 EST

My point was that nothing is gained by quoting any random rankings about anywhere and then suggesting that the "delusional" had better wake up. I was serious, what was the point of your posting? Were you attempting to warning us? What cogent information was imparted by your mention of the body you saw?

Marinoni14
  12/8/2016 01:02 EST

CoconutBowling, are you drunk?

CoconutBowling
  12/8/2016 09:50 EST

No I live in Mexico and am tired of off topic, Mexico slamming, crybaby crap. I left the US after 60 years of watching my country go off the rails and now that Agent Orange is President I am glad I left. If Mexico is to dangerous in you opinion then leave.

MexJuan1
  12/8/2016 10:07 EST

I agree with you COMPLETELY! I did the same. Love the "Agent Orange" handle too! First time I ever heard that one. Hilarious!!! Problem is that narcissistic, lying A-hole is not just going to ruin America. He's going to ruin Mexico and many other places in the World, if not ALL of it. Inflation is, already, happening here in Mexico and America will be next. Remember 20+% mortgages with Reagan? Get ready for them again. And you can kiss HHS, DOE and EPA goodbye. The EPA alone headed up by a fossil fuel ally like Pruitt will destroy the World! Just ask Oklahoma. Check out the earthquakes there alone. And the water you can't drink or even bathe in there... Trump and his Conservative Mafia are dangerous to us all!!! Believe it.

Plumeau1
  12/8/2016 10:25 EST

Bravo ! Well said
Enough of those bad influence people, stay north of the border
Stop bothering us with your ?? Stories

Jake777
  12/8/2016 10:31 EST

I completely agree with you, Phoenix is much more dangerous and violent than most parts of Mexico, I know, I live in Mesa.The ignorance comes from not having any experience with Mexico so forgive them. There is violence everywhere is the world, choose your battles and if you think Mexico is not a safe place to live, go somewhere else. Try Phoenix..

Marinoni14
  12/8/2016 14:06 EST

"No I live in Mexico and am tired of off topic, Mexico slamming, crybaby crap.".........now that is absolutely humorous. Are you even reading what you are writing?

nelsonokelmgmailcom
  12/8/2016 14:11 EST

NOW CHILDREN!!!!

Let's just exchange helpful information that we know. AND help others seeing factual information. Let's stop the urinating contests!!!

Marinoni14
  12/8/2016 15:59 EST

"NOW CHILDREN!!!!" I tried sir, but I got mad.

nelsonokelmgmailcom
  12/8/2016 16:18 EST

See what the State Department says
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/158e04991420eca1

CoconutBowling
  12/9/2016 10:18 EST

I am going to take Mark Twains advice and never argue with a Marinoni 14 in public. I wish you well T.T.F.N

Marinoni14
  12/9/2016 13:03 EST

Jake777
"I completely agree with you, Phoenix is much more dangerous and violent than most parts of Mexico, I know, I live in Mesa.The ignorance comes from not having any experience with Mexico so forgive them." Phoenix has about 1/4 to 1/5 of violence of Tijuana and Rosarito per capita. Ultimately though, discussions about danger in Mexico has absolutely nothing to do with the States. You can compare Mexico to the States, but to what end? What really is the point if one lives in Mexico. I live in Mexico and I am struggling with reality of the violence and the violence is getting closer to home. This is something you are clearly ignorant of, it's clear you are ignorant of Mexico, but I forgive you. The place I moved to was fairly tame and safe, but I no longer see it being that way. That is my reality, it's not fake, fabricated or imagined. Your comment about Phoenix being more dangerous than most parts of Mexico is equivalent to saying that Tijuana is more dangerous than most parts of the United States, both of which would be absolutely true, but, it's a meaningless comment or argument, it has no value, it serves no purpose. I haven't given up on Mexico, I love it here and want to make it my permenant home, but I doubt that home will be in the northern Baja.

RVGRINGO
  12/9/2016 13:10 EST

Many in Mexico consider Baja to be “Little America“, a rather strange place, not at all like mainland Mexico, pretty expensive and with that damp & chilly current affecting the weather on the western edge. There may be a reason that the central highlands of Mexico is where the centers of population have always been located; maybe it has to do with climate, food production, quality of life and maybe those things are what have caused the very wonderful attitude and demeanor of the people in mainland Mexico.

nelsonokelmgmailcom
  12/9/2016 13:17 EST

Some areas of Mexico are much more risky than others. If you look at Chicago, Baltimore and other cities that are much more dangerous than many Mexican cities, millions of people are living there and don't seem to be gnashing their teeth about living there.

When moving to Mexico do your homework and settle in a place that you are comfortable with. For me it would not be norther Baja or Acapulco. I am in PV and feel totally comfortable with the level of crime and violence here. Violence and crime exixt EVERYWHERE! Ya pays ya money, and ya makes your choice. Choose wisely and good luck.

Marinoni14
  12/9/2016 13:44 EST

" I am in PV and feel totally comfortable with the level of crime and violence here." I keep hearing about PV, definitely on my list of places to check out.

AlPavarotti
  12/9/2016 14:06 EST

Mexico is safe even though not perfectly safe. Because FYI I was in Puerto Vallarta in August of this year. And that week was when a group of armed men kidnapped the son of El Chapo Guzman and five of his people. It happened at "La Leche" an upscale restaurant in PV. Supposedly he and and a bunch of family and friends were celebrating something. But luckily they were all released unharmed five days later. It was on the news which also showed the images of how it went down. But of course all that is drug related. .

nelsonokelmgmailcom
  12/9/2016 14:17 EST

The vast majority of violence is within and between cartel members. I have heard that the cartels have been told by PV officials to leave the expats and tourists alone. Tourists and expats that attempt to buy drugs do so at their own peril!

Marinoni14
  12/9/2016 14:57 EST

"The vast majority of violence is within and between cartel members." Yes and no. Of the 6 executed in La Paz recently, at least 3 were innocent bystanders at the wrong place at the wrong time.....at a tire shop. Go figure.

Ramzfan
  12/16/2016 16:31 EST

Mexico is a COUNTRY, not a STATE. I don't believe that the murder rate is 17/100,000 throughout all of Mexico. Yes, it could be that high if you live in some of the more dangerous cities or states. The same goes if you live in Chicago, Detroit, New Orleans, etc.

Marinoni14
  12/16/2016 17:49 EST

Again I say, what does living in Chicago, Detroit or New Orleans have to with a discussion about living in Mexico? Absolutely nothing. I would never consider living in any of those cities. As for 17/100,000, that's national average, add it all together and that's what you get. But you are right, there are areas that would never have that ratio. But currently, Rosarito is up to 70+-/100,000, Tijuana is down to 44/100k. But, comparing to dangerous U.S. city is a useless comparison unless you trying to decide between living in Chicago or Tijauna. If you want to live in Mexico, stay away from the northern Baja, find a nice quiet and recommended locality and check it out. If you are from Detroit, by all means, compare the homicide to Detroit.

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