Do not worry.. nothing have changed. I have a property in Chetumal since 2006.

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I've experienced no anti American comments etc..While there are a few pro-trump folks around who don't have enough sense to shut the hell up, their are some comments, as their should be. ExPats are guests, and we should be working with the locals, who are wonderful people.

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Thank you for your reply. I suspected it was more hype than fact. Not unlike Trump his supporters cannot shut up. They think who ever talks the longest wins.

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THERE are some comments, as THERE should be....

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Sorry, I'm a compulsive proof-reader....

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Launia, do you know if it's possible to take sailing lessons in your area? I'm thinking the bay would be easier for a beginner than the sea....

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Thank you

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Deb, I really take offense at that pro Trump statement. I happen to be pro Trump and have actually had some decent conversations with my Mexican Co Workers. I do not walk around being mouthy nor has anyone else I know who is pro PRESIDENT Trump. I have seen hateful and heard hateful crap from some our expat liberal women. It should ALL be kept off these boards. To the original poster, I have lived here full time for 11 years and have NEVER experienced any anti Americanism.

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Not yet, anyway...

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That description tends to identify most liberals who post on Social Media. My daughter was verbally attacked by coworkers because she voted for President Trump, yet she attacked no one who favored Clinton. I am just getting tired of these attacks and finally had to speak out. By the way, I am a disabled U.S. Army Vet and every Vet I know supports our President!

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MexJuan1, Do not expect any either!

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Scuba, I'm a vet also: 49th Inf. Scout Dog Platoon, Long Binh VN '67-"68. Kinda hard to maintain a tolerant attitude now when it's being met with constant put-downs, and being grouped with the deplorables, whoever that may be. Some of the extreme leftists posting here scare me, I mean, what if they stampede, you know, like spooked cattle? Trampling all in their path? Something to consider....Thank you for your service....:)

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Woodwind, I understand!!! Thank you also for your service. I was 66th MI in Muncich.

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Feb 2017 - living in Gdl for 9 years
Yes...hostility has increased ten fold
after Trumps win
Most Méxicans are good people but there are also alot of Racists. - anti Gringo .Do you know that for many years they have told their kids to beware of Gringos because they only come to México to abuse their kids !
My Mex mother in law , from a good family told me this 9 yrs ago
Walk around the Mall and alot of the shyte say to their kids "ven aca "...hay un Gringo .Some have even thought Im aducting my 7 year old son. I walk around the Malls and see very few Foreigners . Stay in the tourist places and dont buy a house here coz they never buy from Gringos !...You wont here this in the Pro- Mex propaganda

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Depends what part of the Country ...theyre openly hostile / anti Gringo in this City !

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First thank you for your service. If you could stick to specifics instead of labels like extreme left wing posts, it would be helpful. There has been at least 15 years of labeling anyone who disagrees with a position as liberal or leftwing to dismiss an argument or even a fact until it is obviously an avoidance of factual discussion and difference of opinion.

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Gier, I think I'll just break out the alto sax, play some smoooth jazz, and forget about politics. That should work for about half an hour........

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Defense for "extreme left wing" post? Only semi-serious and stones being thrown both ways.....
Careful G, you might be seen as a calming influence here.....











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Redard: A post that's on topic? What a concept!! And enlightening to boot!

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I am with you my brother. Pop a cold Modelo Negra for me.

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"By the way, I am a disabled U.S. Army Vet and every Vet I know supports our President!"

This one doesn't. Not that it belongs on bloody message board (thanks for going political, moron).

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"By the way, I am a disabled U.S. Army Vet and every Vet I know supports our President!"

This one doesn't. Not that it belongs on bloody message board (thanks for going political, moron).

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How did respectfully asking for real information work out for you? The only positive to tolerating the verbal BS is that it keeps the thread alive longer, hopefully attracting more information, eventually. Otherwise it will look like Bolivia site.

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A few years ago there was an increase in deportations back to Mexico from the US. After that there were some home invasions in the Lake Chapala area (which in general has been rare, but has happened from time to time. If you doubt that Google it.) I know of one case where three Mexican men who spoke some English invaded the home of a single woman in her 60's. They robbed her and terrorized her. She’s a rail thin woman, but they threw her against the toilet bowl so hard it cracked. They threatened to cut off her fingers unless she gave them her jewelry. These robbers were eventually caught though I heard they didn't stay in jail long. What was reported in the newspaper was that all three of them had recently been DEPORTED back to Mexico from the US.

The Mexican people as a group are very good, kind and hard working. Anyone who has lived here for any length of time knows that to be true, not like the stereotypes northerners have of them. I've lived alongside Mexicans for over a quarter of my life and run a business with several Mexican employees. I love Mexico and their culture. I also believe that the people being deported from the US are also overwhelmingly good, kind and hard working. But not all of them. A lot of "bad hombres" will be coming home.

Who are they going to lash out at after they loose their homes up north, their cars, and all their worldly possessions? What will they do when they're uprooted, and maybe separated from their family and made to start from scratch again?

I think some of these deported bad guys will go to the gringo enclaves like Chapala and San Miguel, where there are so many easy targets. Others may not go to the big gringo neighborhoods, but even where gringos are rare (and may be closer to the towns these deported people return to), we gringos are "known" to be where we are, and may become targets. So if you think you are safe because you live in a small town, maybe you should not bet on it. And it doesn’t matter that all the Mexicans you know are wonderful and love you. It only takes the robber himself to think differently.

My suggestion: If you hear of violence against Americans (or Canadians -- because we look and sound the same), please report it here. This is a nation-wide website for Mexico. We should be able to inform each other about events we hear of happening in our own backyards. If and when.

The Mexican government won't harm us or mess with our visas. They appreciate the income retirement checks provide, buying Mexican goods, paying Mexican workers, and the businesses we run in Mexico. The Mexican people on a personal level will still show us affection, at least until and if the US starts a trade war or Mexico is driven into a real honest to God depression -- and then who knows? If things really get really bad for them, and I DO mean REALLY bad, who can say? I just hope our relationship on a person to person level doesn't deteriorate — but if their lives are made a whole lot worse by what the US does, I guess it could.

None of us can say anything for sure. Who could have said a year ago that what’s happening now was even possible?

The deported people returning however -- and in particular the criminal ones -- these are the people to worry about. The American president isn’t the only person who can have a vengeful streak. Think about it. Yep. I’m worried.

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Denise, you are the one who decided to take this thread on a political course, pumping up Trump with the mindless inference that all vets support him. I have received great information in this thread (see previous post). Yours wasn't. It was more political BS.

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cheepers, this thread exposes its participants to the threat of real ego bashing galore. what people will write to one another under the heads of anonymous tongue-lashings. perhaps someone might devote one segment to 'general' complaints, whatever they may be, where participants can be a boorish and guttural as they please, so that the rest of the innocents can be spared exposure to such outlandish treachery.

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Yes!!! I don't really feel that most of this bashing is necessary, it's bad energy and not why I joined this group. Great suggestion!

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I wouldn't even mind bashing if it is intelligent bashing, but most of it ( not all, a few gems in cow patties) simplistic, close minded BS from people on both sides unwilling to learn. Now bash away. What has Denise said bad about Agent Orange, by the way,,? I haven't seen anything.

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I wonder if the peaceful, hardworking Mexicans dutifully serving the expat boss who, is to them, extremely wealthy, are in fact akin to the happy, hardworking 'darkies' serving their benevolent master in Margaret Mitchell's antebellum South? What do they really think? Don't know, just asking.

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I don't see it as the same. There are used to a different system and history. Also the expats that I have met tend to be very generous and respectful, not condescending. Many are not the riches of Americans, but struggling middle class that can afford retirement in Mexico than the States. Often they get by on Social Security alone.

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It is unfortunate that these post have gotten so angry and nasty. There are real concerns, but when it turns to painting everyone with a broad brush and not factual analysis, it is no longer useful.

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They think they are generous and understanding. Middle-class Americans are still pretty damn well off compared to most Mexicans, no? I don't blame them for taking advantage of low cost of living. But taking the moral high ground at same time,? Well..
And this is the first time, having seen the Grammies, I have even mentioned A.O.

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They think they are generous and understanding. Middle-class Americans are still pretty damn well off compared to most Mexicans, no? I don't blame them for taking advantage of low cost of living. But taking the moral high ground at same time,? Well..
And this is the first time, having seen the Grammies, I have even mentioned A.O.

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That the retirees that go to Mexico are better off than many of the Mexicans is understood. So what's the point. Staying in the States does not change that. If anything it brings business opportunities to Mexico that would not exist otherwise. Tourist trade is Mexico's number 2 industry. Housing prices where expats live go up and some make money in dealing with the sale and rentals of these properties. I don't know of anyone who can wholesale change the lives of an entire nation, not even in the U.S.

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No, but just be real about it. And exactly into whose pockets do those expenditures go,? Probably the same types of folks who are the upper 10% in ,US. Open, free markets can be good for everyone, if they are really open and free. I have had hispanic friends who lived and worked in Mexico who say it is extremely racist, with whites at the top, Indians at the bottom. I have ecperienced much the same thing in my travels there. The fact that you don't want to hear it is irrelevant, but telling...

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I have been a social worker for 43 years. Awareness of inequality is part of the profession. I am still struggling with what point you are trying to make. Should we all stay home until inequality ends or that it is not a probably in the States. The 1% ers here do not need to move to Mexico for more affordable retirement. Maybe for the weather. So far the standard of living in the States is higher in general. But Mexico has been improving. Our middle class has been shrinking and now what.

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My point is that you might have a different take on things if you were more familiar with history and politics if you familiarized yourself with history and politics of Mexico. Much as one might have a different take on Dakota pipeline protestors if you understood history of Indian relations in US history. Or it might support your current take. I don't know, but I do know most of people on this site don't know and don't care. I don't personally want to move into some gated community in Mexico and sit around playing cards. But that's just me. Probably beats doing the same in US. Don't mean to be rude. That's all I've got.

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My point is that you might have a different take on things if you were more familiar with history and politics if you familiarized yourself with history and politics of Mexico. Much as one might have a different take on Dakota pipeline protestors if you understood history of Indian relations in US history. Or it might support your current take. I don't know, but I do know most of people on this site don't know and don't care. I don't personally want to move into some gated community in Mexico and sit around playing cards. But that's just me. Probably beats doing the same in US. Don't mean to be rude. That's all I've got.

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My point is that you might have a different take on things if you were more familiar with history and politics if you familiarized yourself with history and politics of Mexico. Much as one might have a different take on Dakota pipeline protestors if you understood history of Indian relations in US history. Or it might support your current take. I don't know, but I do know most of people on this site don't know and don't care. I don't personally want to move into some gated community in Mexico and sit around playing cards. But that's just me. Probably beats doing the same in US. Don't mean to be rude. That's all I've got.

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*The deported people returning however -- and in particular the criminal ones -- these are the people to worry about. The American president isn’t the only person who can have a vengeful streak. Think about it. Yep. I’m worried.*.

Why is the US to be blamed for sending that criminal element scum back to where it came from? And isn't it Mexico's responsibility to properly handle the criminal element?

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*The deported people returning however -- and in particular the criminal ones -- these are the people to worry about. The American president isn’t the only person who can have a vengeful streak. Think about it. Yep. I’m worried.*.

Why is the US to be blamed for sending that criminal element scum back to where it came from? And isn't it Mexico's responsibility to properly handle the criminal element?

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"The deported people returning however -- and in particular the criminal ones -- these are the people to worry about. The American president isn’t the only person who can have a vengeful streak. Think about it. Yep. I’m worried."

Why should the US keep the Mexican criminals? The Mexican govt. should take care of business. Who want's criminals out TERRORIZING the citizens, Mexicans or non-Mexicans. It doesn't look good for tourism either.

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I asked a simple question.

Have you experienced an increase in the hostility towards Americans?

My thanks to all of you who replied to my question. It appears that if you are a long term Mexican expat. There are no visible changes. If you are a little newer there has been an increase.

In my experience this forum is wildly biased in favor of the host country. Not just Mexico. I have posted in Mexico, Thailand and Ecuador. In Ecuador if you post anything that can be interpreted as slightly negative about the host country you get will death threats, ok that is a slight exaggeration but not much. To honest Mexico is not far behind. The police still suck in Ecuador and not that helpful in Mexico.

The gringo tax is wrong.

Get real, every county has stuff that sucks. Why do you think there is an entire section devoted to culture shock, it is very real?

I also said. I do not want your political opinions on Trump or anybody else.

There is disease for which there is no cure. There are no support groups and no research is being done on it.


It seems to be related the human strain of the well know cattle disease. Hoof and mouth disease. There is a vaccine for the cattle strain. Sadly, there is no vaccine for the human strain.

What you did not know there a human strain of hoof and mouth disease. I am sure you know several people who suffer from it. Every time they open their mouth they stick their foot in it.

I am speaking of hoof and mouth strain mutation 7.

Thirty percent of all Americans suffer from it. The infection rate is constant worldwide, except for France. In France, the infection rate is 72 percent.

It seems to be a viral infection that settles between the jaw the ear. The dominate symptom of hoof and mouth strain mutation 7, is when the victims are speaking they become completely deaf. Or as my grandfather use to tell me. “You cannot learn a god damn thing with your mouth open boy”

I am reposting just to see who I piss off. I also going to put this on the original post until I can figure out how to cancel.

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You are attacking me personally for not accepting your point of view. You clearly need to assert superior knowledge as a basis to attack me.
If you some have some specific historical reference you would like to make as a basis for your concern then do so. But you don't have enough information about me nor my plans to really have a basis. I hope to learn more about life in Mexico and Lake Chapala in particular. I am willing to learn. I have talked to people living there and doing fine.

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Congratulations on your long career, A little math tells me you must be a little younger than I am. I suspect you are female. I just turned 70 and am male.

I started my first full time job at the age of 14. I had gotten kicked out of the 8th grade. It was explained very clearly to me. I could go to school, go to work or go. If I did not get job or go to school I wasn’t living there.

I have been a Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Sailor,
Rich Man, Poor Man, Beggar Man, Thief,
Old Man, Young Man, Lawyer, Jailer,
Captain, Pirate, Fisherman, Chief,
Plowman, Cooper, Farmer, Teacher,
Banker, Gunner, Gardener, Cook,
Burglar, Boxer, Baker, Preacher,
Writer, Politician, or Crook

I am sure part of your social worker training included extensive literary training so you will recognize the above as an English children’s counting poem. Not unlike the American Eenie, meenie, miney, moe, Catch a tiger by the toe.

I can assure you the original version did have the word tiger in it. Thanks to the enlightened age we can no longer use the original version. Nor can we say, fat, lazy, stupid or ugly. Mores the pity. We cannot even admit that there are differences in the races.

Singing for your supper or more correctly working for your supper are other concepts that have been banished from polite society. We have reached a point where the act of being born entitles you to supplied with everything you need.

If someone does not want to give it to you then they are the bad guys.

In truth, I have not been a Lawyer, Jailer, Preacher or a Beggar Man. I got the rest covered and I could add many others but you have the concept.

Back on my original topic. I chose go. I did a lot of stoop labor for very little money, I did steal when I was hungry. I picked bottles off the highway, you could get 3 cents for them. Many people were mean to me and many were nice.

I never took charity of any kind if I did not earn it I did not take it. The exception was when I stole something. Somehow it seemed like I earned that. Yes, I see the flaw in my logic. Stealing is hard work, try it some time.

I am not a one percenter; however, I may want but I will not need anything from now until I die. I do not apologize for anything I have and I do not owe anybody a good god damn thing.

I have four children. Among them is PHD a Masters and two BS’s. I could have paid for their college. I did not. I helped if their grades stayed up. The one with the PHD thought I was buffing when I told him get his grades up or get a job.

He still tells about working at fast food and construction. I have 7 grandchildren all of them can go to college if they want. I am not paying for it parents will help if they keep their grades up and work.

Why do you feel a need to open every post with “I am a social worker”? Why does every post have to bring the rich verses the poor? I think announcing you are a social worker is like the two church ladies fighting over who is the better Christian. Winning that fight proves you have you lost.

Its reverse snobbery. I am a social worker I do good, you have money so I am better than you.

You have spent most of your life helping people not work. You are just the bigger parasite.

You wrote, “I am still struggling with what point you are trying to make”.

That is bull. You are just jumping my very clear question hoping to contribute to your cause and self-enforced martyrdom.

What part of: Have you experienced an increase in the hostility towards Americans? Did you not understand.

To break it down a little further for you.

Have you experienced an increase in the hostility towards Americans since Trump was elected?

I never been in Mexico that I did not encounter some level of hostility by Mexicans towards Americans. Yes, the gringo tax is a form of hostility. The overly polite waiter kissing your ass for tip is a form of hostility.

You people who write the “Mexicans are always wonderful” are as full of it as those who bitch about Mexico. Get a clue hostility exist. Has it increased since Trump was elected?

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YES, and will continue to do so, exponentially. Until he is gone. Which won't be long now. Then there will be dancing in the streets!

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I would like some information about where do most expats live especially those with adult children.we are planning to visit Mexico in July to see if we would like to retire there with our adult children.thanks for your help.i am thinking of casa del Carmen.

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We live in Cozumel, across from Playa and love it, 30 min ferry ride to shopping & restaurants then race back to Cozumel...CZM v PDC, CZM has great restaurants & grocery shopping along with small mall...Great ex pat community..our kids & grandkids love it here..Playa has grown in the past 10 yrs, impossible to get around, safety huge issue..Investigate smaller communities around the Yucatan & QRoo.Good Luck

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"i am thinking of casa del Carmen."

Playa del Carmen?

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Yes, Playa, Playa del Carmen, PDC...

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Lake Chapala seems to have plenty for every age.

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If you are talking about the town south of Cancun, it is Playa del Carmen, that entire coastal area is sometimes referred to as Riveria Maya..There many be a housing/condo called Casa Del Carmen, i've never heard of it.

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Mexico do not worry about a wall. Be happy your keeping all the nuts out.

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