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henryb
7/17/2017 13:48 EST

Hello everyone,

I am considering retiring to Mexico in the next few years and am doing my research. The Rivera Maya area has me intrigued (yes, I know, hot and humid during the rainy season). I’ve done some online research, including the qroo.us website (excellent info!) suggested by someone on this forum. I’m hoping that some expats in this area will be willing to give me some on-the-ground insight into what it’s like moving there and more importantly, living there year round.

I will be visiting during the beginning of August, hoping to explore some of the towns between Cancun and Tulum by taking day trips from a base in Akumal. Are there any must-see towns I should not miss? (A day trip to Cozumel is on my list) My preferences right now are to NOT live in a big city, but be close enough for the amenities like arts, entertainment, and restaurants.

I’m hoping to establish a dialog with you, if you would be kind enough to share your understanding of the area. I would also like to arrange to meet some expats up and down the coast, while I’m there. Can anyone advise me as to the best way to arrange such meetings?

I apologize ahead of time for all the questions I may ask! I tend to be inquisitive.

Thanks so much!
Best Regards,
Henry

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Cozumeldeb
7/17/2017 19:10 EST

Hi Henry..We are huge fans of the area u r considering. We started going to Cozumel in 1989 and every yr after till we bought in 2001, pre retirement, rented our condo out half time till we retired. The Yucatan/QRoo area is a great area, everything u need is within reach. True about heat/humidity May- Oct. Many full-timers go rent in the Mountains then..rents so reasonable u can do that, Lake Chapla/Ajijic, Guanjuanto (our fave) SMS..near perfect Climate yr round..Enjoy your hunt.

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henryb
7/17/2017 20:34 EST

Hi Cozumeldeb,
Thanks for the response! Wow, you have been there quite a while. Is there a reason you chose Cozumel over any other place there? I imagine living on an island must have its quirks. Forgive my ignorance, but what is SMS?

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katzgar
7/18/2017 07:51 EST

as mentioned interior colonial cities will have a much better climate in the summer. The yucatan is really hot and humid summertime. The interior cities are also much cheaper. Look also at Oaxaca. and San Miguel Allende. Rent for some time until you have decided if you want to stay there. The above poster does not actually own their "property" as that cant be done in coastal Mexico. http://www.mexconnect.com/articles/1919-buying-real-estate-in-mexico-and-the-mexican-notary-public There is a lot of real estate fraud so make sure you understand ejido land and make sure the developer has paid the subcontractors as if he hasnt the subcontractors will come after you which also happens in Playa. For true Mexican culture in the yucatan/Q. Roo you want Merida, Valladolid, Celestun, progresso or campeche.

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Cozumeldeb
7/18/2017 10:48 EST

Katzgar, not sure who u are speaking to..There are many wonderful areas to visit/live in QRoo and Yucatan. Coastal areas require a trust. We bought in 2001, and a notary is required to guarantee clear title. MX has come a long way in eliminating real estate scammers, while always smart to be alert. Also to name a few cities/town's as the "real," MX experience, how would u know that? Do u live in MX? Mexico had many great states to live in, be it ocean, mountains, suggest you do your research.

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katzgar
7/18/2017 12:05 EST

I did my research which is why I'll be moving to San Miguel de Allende in a few months and renting a small clean efficiency expecting to pay 150 us or less. The weather is better than the Yucatan it's very much a Mexican Colonial City but still has enough of an expat crowd to use as mentors. The cities I mentioned in the Yucatan are those that have some sort of colonial history but also are modern and have some expat aspect to them also.

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topmexico
7/18/2017 13:52 EST

Hi, Henry!
I´ve lived and worked in the Riviera Maya for 17 years now. I´m very familiar with all the area and would love to help you with any questions you might have. Top Mexico, the company I work for, has a free express tour that takes you to different neighborhoods and shows you the places you might be interested in. I also love Paul´s site and we share his blog constantly. You can find many resources on our page as well, over 1000 listings in the area, free e books, and resources this is the link, http://www.topmexicorealestate.com/?art=home&web=claudia
you can also e mail me at claudiah@topmre.com

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Cozumeldeb
7/18/2017 14:08 EST

SMA, is lovely, great restaurants, shops and nicknamed "Hollywood," because so many stars have homes there. Guanjuanto might be a place to check out, 3 major universities, loads of history + culture.. Designate Heritage Zone..45 mins from SMA and nearby Leon airport..Leon is leather capital of MX.

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Cozumeldeb
7/18/2017 16:14 EST

SMA, is lovely, great restaurants, shops and nicknamed "Hollywood," because so many stars have homes there. Guanjuanto might be a place to check out, 3 major universities, loads of history + culture.. Designate Heritage Zone..45 mins from SMA and nearby Leon airport..Leon is leather capital of MX.

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henryb
7/19/2017 16:24 EST

Thanks for the advice everyone! Ok soe SMA = San Miguel Allende, correct?

Those look like great places to explore in the future but for right now, I'm looking for places south of Cancun. That's what my ticket is for, so this trip will be limited to the Rivera Maya.

Any opinions on the small towns there?

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katzgar
7/19/2017 16:50 EST

Those towns are all pretty much tourist traps. I will say you do not want to buy real estate either on the beach in Tulum (ejido land) or in the town of Tulum account of ownership issues

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rand0MaXiS
7/20/2017 04:05 EST

If you are fluent in Spanish and do not mind being an hours drive inland from Tulum, check out Felipe Carrillo Puerto. It is the provincial capitol and the home of a vast majority of the employees at the Riviera Maya resorts. No one speaks English and there are absolutely no touristos. I LOVE IT. However, you will have no other expat association there. But the rents are ridiculously cheap, and commuting to Tulum or Playa del Carmen is very easy.

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louixo
7/20/2017 10:03 EST

i have been a full time resident in the area for 26 years. Over the years I have seen many people come here to make a home. They stay awhile and then leave. The underlying main reasons I have seen, that they don't make it are varied, of course, but one of the biggest reasons is they never learned the language, and therefore, never really integrated themselves into the culture. You can get by without knowing spanish, but your horizons will be broadened 10 fold if you do learn it. You don't have to be fluent, Just speak enough to be independent in your daily life. I think the average person can accomplish that in 6 months to a year, and then as you continue using the language, each year, you become more fluent, until you can communicate with anybody, from government officials to the average person you meet anywhere. Another reason people leave is that they come here with the idea of living in a peaceful, pristine place, and therefore move too far from the civilization they came from. So, my advice is to be realistic in choosing where you live, and look for something central to the "area" you wish to be in. I live in Cancun, which is a city with all the amenities, but not a metropolis. And it's easy access to the entire Riviera Maya. It suits me fine. I spend weekends all over the Yucatan Penninsula, and in doing so, I can experience country living, to Robinson Crusoe isolation, but I prefer civilization.

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RVGRINGO

From: Mexico
7/20/2017 12:36 EST

Excellent post, Louixo; especially the part about learning enough Spanish to enjoy life. It truly does make everything so much easier, and you will be appreciated and respected by the population around you; and not treated as an outsider. It also makes many things more economical. The ability to travel confidently and without reservations is a distinct advantage. You definitely need Spanish to do that, and to explore and enjoy more remote areas. Then, there is the simple chore of shopping for your home. Being able to identify items, read directions, and identify substitutes for previously familiar products or groceries is a must. Otherwise, you become a captive of the importers, big box stores and tourist traps.

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Cozumeldeb
7/20/2017 12:52 EST

Agree 100%, we are in Cozumel beginning in 1989 and back every thereafter and bought in 2001. We originally were going to build a house, but we were not retired yet so decided on a oceanfront condo, best decision for us. Yes we have HOA fees, there are 32 units in our bldg. sharing expenses, which we would have to pay by ourselves. Keeping in mind there is no zoning in MX, build a house and a bar opens up next to you. 24 hr security, bldg ins and turnkey when u come + go, works for us.

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kleinm
7/20/2017 13:12 EST

Great advice Louixo,as honest and obvious, that may appear to people, i'v been dragging my feet on one level or another ? it's ok if i don't have command of the language in a week ? i,v been a visitor here,( Mexico) several times. I'm now living here and trying to make it my home, in order to get some independence ,I clearly have a new sense of urgency to learning this language. just the thought, of returning state side, should be enough motivation for me.there's just to many hidden gem's, here (Mexico) .I have to say i'v slowly been seduced and under it's magic spell Gracias all

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Cozumeldeb
7/20/2017 14:10 EST

Klienm, Enjoy your search, many many beautiful areas for sure. The advice I give people is rent in areas of interest, pay attention to weather year round cycles. True May-Oct in oceanfront areas are hot + humid, many escape to the mountains during this time and rent for a few months..rents are reasonable and IMO the best of both worlds. The Lake Chapla area is good as is Guanjuanto (my fave), San Miguel Allende is also nice, but much priced.. Wherever u end up, hook up with ex-pats online..Language wise, get a phrase book or go online, learn vocabulary words, you will catch on quick enough.

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henryb
7/20/2017 15:37 EST

Yo hablo Espanol poquito solamente! I has a few years back in High School. When I spent 3 weeks in Venezuela, I was starting to get good at it, but that was a long time ago. If I do move to MX, I intend to learn the language. I totally get that you would be isolated without it. Don't want to "become a captive of the importers, big box stores and tourist traps"!

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henryb
7/20/2017 15:43 EST

louixo, Cozumeldeb,

Would either of you be willing to meet me when I am there to tell me your saga of moving to Mexico? I am really interested in learning as much as I can about the area and the process. You have a wealth of info! I'll buy beer! :-)

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Cozumeldeb
7/20/2017 17:15 EST

We don't get back till end of Nov-May..so if u r there during those mos, be happy to meet up..if not, as questions come up, ask me. 1 point important, is if u will be going back + forth some, look at locations near by International terminals..MX has excellent bus service, ADO..2nd point Healthcare availability, whether u r on Medicare or looking to insure in MX.

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henryb
7/20/2017 17:37 EST

Cozumeldeb,

Are you back in the states or did you go to the mountains to beat the heat?
I will be there the 2nd week of Aug. so I guess we won't meet this time. :-)

Your points are well taken. I'm thinking of about an hour or so from Cancun to provide the services you mention. Make sense?

I do have questions about Cozumel. I plan to do a day trip there. Anything I should check out or can't miss? Tell me a bit about life there....

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Cozumeldeb
7/20/2017 18:05 EST

We are back in IL, we spend about 6 mos each place + some time traveling in MX. Grandkids have a way of pulling us back, although they all love to visit. Cozumel is noted for diving and snorkeling, best in area. Good restaurants, safe (albeit situational awareness always important). This is called low season, not as many cruise ships and not as many on island vacationers..which makes it tough on the locals. Take the ferry over, buy 1 way Tix, because u don't know when u want to go back and ferry schedules vary. The east side of the island is beautiful, surfers + wind surfers daily..it closes down at dusk, no electricity on that side, beach bars and clubs work of generators. Cozumel4u.com is an active Facebook site with local happenings..Playa del Carmen has good Facebook sites, Google them.

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katzgar
7/20/2017 21:03 EST

I just saw the town of chelem on HGTV. It's a fishing Town not very far from Merida. Definitely worth taking a look see.

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henryb
7/21/2017 09:41 EST

Thanks for the info Cozumeldeb. It sure looks like a great place. And exotic! Living on an island is so cool!

Is it expensive? Must be nice to have your feet in both worlds. I thought I would have to sell my place here and move there full time. Maybe I should rethink (I have 2 kids).

I do hope we can meet in person one day. We (the whole family) are thinking of coming to Rivera Maya in Dec. of 2018, depending on the outcome of my trip next month. Perhaps our paths will yet cross!

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henryb
7/21/2017 09:45 EST

Is anyone here willing to meet and discuss your own experiences and the piece of paradise you have found? Looking to meet expats living in the area from Cancun to Tulum. Will be there the second week of August.

If not possible to meet in person, an email exchange will work, as will this forum.

Thanks in advance,
Henry

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Cozumeldeb
7/21/2017 12:15 EST

It is a wondrous place, many say magically..the island of fertility! Because it is an island, everything has to be shipped in so is somewhat higher. IMO, cost of living in most MX runs about 25-30% below US costs.

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trippinbilly23
7/22/2017 15:39 EST

We will be heading to Puerto Morelos at Christmas. We spent a week in Playa in April and really enjoyed it, but don't see retiring there. We are also visiting Panama in October. We are 4 years away from retiring if things go according to plan. Ajijic is also of interest, depending on how the next 2 trips go. We need to have reliable internet, as we can do some part time consulting work to supplement our retirement. Cheers
Ken

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henryb
7/22/2017 23:21 EST

Hi Ken,
Can you elaborate on you opinion of Playa? Why not retire there?

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MexJuan1
7/24/2017 16:21 EST

There is now (I just read the article yesterday) a 200 man, armed presence in PDC, behind the scenes. For what reason? I can only imagine one. Drugs. Cartels. Control thereof. All one in the same. There are reports of the same things happening in Cancun and we've, already, seen issue in La Pas and Cabo so, the Tourist Areas, Expat Areas are becoming unsafe. I've been in PDC since June of 2015. I am preparing to leave and move to Portugal...

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Cozumeldeb
7/24/2017 18:50 EST

Sad to hear your leaving. There does appear to be a push from government to remove cartel gangs..They don't want to have happen in Matazlan, Cabo etc. Where did u read this? Bloomberg?

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MexJuan1
7/24/2017 18:57 EST

Read Bloomberg article" Showdown in Cancun: Norcos Take Their War Into Hot Beach Resorts.

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MexJuan1
7/24/2017 18:58 EST

Read Bloomberg article" Showdown in Cancun: Narcos Take Their War Into Hot Beach Resorts.

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MexJuan1
7/24/2017 18:59 EST

Correction: Narcos

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henryb
7/26/2017 11:10 EST

Well, thanks for bumming me out, MexJuan1! :-)

Read the article and am researching for more info.

The way I read this, the " 200 man, armed presence in PDC" is a private vigilante effort, not a federal force. Bad, either way.

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MexJuan1
7/26/2017 11:14 EST

Yes, you're right. They're gearing up to defend. Not good, either way. Not meant to bum you out so, sorry. Just want ex pats to be informed. Sometimes "Sunshine and lollipops" aren't "Sunshine and lollipops". Trump has this entire World effed up!!!

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henryb
7/26/2017 11:39 EST

I'll be interested to learn more about this sad situation.
Re: Sunshine and Lolipops - I agree. There are sites out there that sing the virtues of expat life and show zero downside. International Living is a prime example. Story after story of life in paradise for under $1000/month.

I sure would like a more realistic source. This forum is one. Any other favorites out there?

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Cozumeldeb
7/26/2017 12:21 EST

Bloomberg had and article about this. It's Mimezna's group, which is a political group protesting against politians including current governor.

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topmexico
7/26/2017 13:00 EST

There have been visible outbreaks of violence in the area since January. As a resident, I like to stay positive and think that this is just violence among drug dealers, that if you are not involved in that, and don´t enjoy the party areas you can still live in peace, swimming in cenotes, riding your bicycle and eating great food =)

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topmexico
7/26/2017 13:00 EST

There have been visible outbreaks of violence in the area since January. As a resident, I like to stay positive and think that this is just violence among drug dealers, that if you are not involved in that, and don´t enjoy the party areas you can still live in peace, swimming in cenotes, riding your bicycle and eating great food =)

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MexJuan1
7/26/2017 13:28 EST

I get a lot of my news and information from Google News Play. That article for instance. It gives me daily news and you can search any subject. I just feel that it's prudent to be aware of all things good and bad these days. This modern World is and can be a dangerous place for a variety of reasons that we don't or choose not to see. Paradise isn't paradise if it's not safe... I, very much, dislike these things happening here in Mexico and PDC but, ignoring them is not an option.

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louixo
7/28/2017 10:05 EST

The press loves sensationalism. Bloomberg is no exception. It is safer in the Riviera Maya than it is in Columbus, Ohio, the all american city. Drug violence happens In the USA, Canada, Europe etc. There are isolated incidences of violence everywhere, mostly between drug gangs, that the press blows way out of proportion. You are more likely to get hit by lightening than to get caught in the crossfire of a drug shootout in Mexico, or the USA for that matter. But when it happens, the press makes it look like bullets are flying like in a video game, on every street corner. Mexico is one of the safest places in the world to live overall.

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Cozumeldeb
7/28/2017 14:53 EST

I agree for the most part, way overblown. We live 6 mos in Cozumel MX and 6 mos in Chicago..we all know where the violence is and usually about drugs..Crime in Cozumel is usually crimes of convience, empty homes, purse snatching, etc. Huge problem that needs addressed in Mexico is juvenile crimes and penalities. Older criminals recruit the younger ones because there are zero consequences. Job training is necessary, in the trades for sure, plumbing, electricity etc..very lacking..Peso devaluation continues to hurt workers, "tip up in USD..low season hurts."

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bluewater1
8/2/2017 06:39 EST

>> The press loves sensationalism <<
Very much so

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tony7240
8/31/2017 03:00 EST

Save your Trump comments.
This forum is not for that.

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longtimelurker
8/31/2017 18:44 EST

Hola Henry,

How was your trip? How did you like the roads, restaurants, beaches, shopping, brothels, ruins, etc? Did you see any cartel action? Were you ever in danger?

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henryb
8/31/2017 22:54 EST

Hi longtime,

Had a great time! Not a day goes by that I don't think about that beautiful place.

I stayed to the highway between Cancun and Tulum. All I saw of Cancun was the airport. Loved Puerto Morelos and Akumal. Tulum was promising but didn't spend much time there. Hated Puerto Aventuras.

Food was fantastic no matter where I went. Same for the ocean, whether beach or rocky. Maya ruins were interesting, gorgeous shore area.

I never felt unsafe, never saw any thing that made me worried (except the aggressive driving of one colectivo driver!).

I would go back today if I could. Looking at my finances to see if I can swing a place there, but there is so much of Mexico to explore.

Thanks for asking.

Where are you, Longtime?

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henryb
8/31/2017 22:54 EST

Hi longtime,

Had a great time! Not a day goes by that I don't think about that beautiful place.

I stayed to the highway between Cancun and Tulum. All I saw of Cancun was the airport. Loved Puerto Morelos and Akumal. Tulum was promising but didn't spend much time there. Hated Puerto Aventuras.

Food was fantastic no matter where I went. Same for the ocean, whether beach or rocky. Maya ruins were interesting, gorgeous shore area.

I never felt unsafe, never saw any thing that made me worried (except the aggressive driving of one colectivo driver!).

I would go back today if I could. Looking at my finances to see if I can swing a place there, but there is so much of Mexico to explore.

Thanks for asking.

Where are you, Longtime?

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longtimelurker
9/1/2017 07:44 EST

PDC.

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trippinbilly23
9/1/2017 10:24 EST

We rented a place in the Tohoku neighborhood back in April (only a week). Good location. Going to Puerto Morelos in December for a family reunion.

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henryb
9/1/2017 14:36 EST

How do you like PDC? I only saw the very center of the city - bus station, colectivos, ferry to Cozumel. The center seems a bit touristy for me. Are the surrounding neighborhoods nice? What about crime and violence in the city?

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longtimelurker
9/1/2017 21:36 EST

I love it here. Was a tourist in the 80's & 90's and a resident since early 2000.

We are a growing, thriving city of 200,000 with the associated crime that brings any city this size. Personally I feel safe living here.

There are nice neighborhoods throughout the Riviera Maya at all different price's. There are new homes for $35K within a mile of the ocean, palapa homes on the beach for less than $100K or brand new luxury developments starting at $150K and up, up, up.

Don't knock touristy. Touristy brings $$$ and jobs. Touristy makes this a modern 1st world class area in the middle of pre-columbian culture. Touristy is the reason this is one of the hottest growing area of Mexico.

What didn't you like about Puerto Aventuras?

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trippinbilly23
9/2/2017 09:05 EST

Good points. Funny I was watching a TV show last night and they referenced El Fogon. We ate there a few times.

My experience at Aventuras was only seeing the area down by the dolphins, not the more residential area. So it just felt like a big resort.
We enjoyed scuba with Pluto Dive, may go back to them when we are there at Christmas.

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henryb
9/3/2017 02:02 EST

Hey longtime,

Do you live in PDC year round or are you a snowbird? If the latter, how do you afford 2 homes?

Please tell me more about PDC and where I should look. I totally get your remarks about tourists driving the economy. Did not mean to be disparaging. Just looking for my own vision of paradise. I guess.

New homes for 35K??? Are you kidding? Where? Are they even worth looking at?

What is a palapa home?

I've toured some condos in the TAO development when I was there. I like what I see but want a broader view. Nice amenities in the gated community but they come with costs, monetary, cultural, and other wise. Would totally appreciate your take on all this.

Puerto Aventuras felt like Disneyland to me. Totally fabricated for rich gringos. I didn't like the overbearing security going in. Was I really in Mexico? Naww, Disneyland.

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katzgar
9/3/2017 08:40 EST

The increase security in PDC is a result of increased cartel activity in the area. There is nothing real Mexico about the Yucatan Coast everything there is tourist trap built. For real Mexico you have to go to the interior of the Yucatan or another area of Mexico. Traditionally Mexicans go to the interior mountains during the heat of the summer to escape the Heat and that is not something you can do in the Yucatan.

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longtimelurker
9/3/2017 08:42 EST

I will try to answer your questions. I have been full time for a longtime. Cancun, Playa and the rest of the Riviera Maya has all kinds of housing developments and condos. Thousands of residences are being built every year. I don't know the thickness of your wallet so I can't tell you where to look. Did you look at anything west of 307? That is where the 35K homes are and the your so-called "Culture" is. The overbearing security at Puerto Aventuras, and other gated communities is a good thing. If you lived there you would want tight security. PA is not a gringo community, it is a community of well off people from Mexico and around the world. Palapa homes are homes with a palapa roof. If you need a broader view of the offerings in the area, then you need to spend more time here. Web forums can't serve or replace your own eyes.

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longtimelurker
9/3/2017 09:52 EST

Really Katzgar? Where do you live in Mexico? Have you ever spent time in this area? Why put down tourism? The tourist trap you constantly put down has lifted the lives of so many. It is very easy to escape the heat without going anywhere. There is A/C, swimming pools, and the beautiful Caribbean Sea. Katzgar, tell me what you think real Mexico is.

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katzgar
9/3/2017 10:40 EST

This is a website for expats so the information here is for expats. Cancun and Playa del Carmen about six decades ago were very small fishing villages nothing more. They are purpose-built for tourists. Real Mexico is where Mexicans are. A bunch of all inclusive resorts certainly are not Mexico.

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Cozumeldeb
9/3/2017 11:20 EST

Tourism is the life's blood of oceanfront beach communities, much the same as Disney World and Las Vegas is in the states. Money + cost of living and the constant flow of retirees south of the border, which will only increase as long as Trump remains in office. We bought in 2001 and retired in 2010, Mexico IMO is retirement heaven..So relax and enjoy life south of the border.

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giershift43
9/3/2017 11:43 EST

Tourism is a good way to make money. We have many such place in the States, especially Florida. I would not put it down.

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giershift43
9/3/2017 11:44 EST

Cozumeldeb, Amen

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longtimelurker
9/3/2017 13:14 EST

I know what this website is about. I am the longtimelurker!!!!!

I drive by AI’s everyday. They all have beautiful security gates. Otherwise I don’t know they are there. My neighbors sure know. They work there. If you have an AI resort staff of 1000, 950 are Mexicans. I see them going to work everyday, getting on the buses and collectivos, and coming home. Thousands of Mexican with jobs all because of tourism. And they are building more of resorts everyday.

I choose to look for the POSITIVES for all, not just retired expats. In Playa there are a growing number of GenXers and Millennial’s moving here to raise their families.

Then you have the spillover. Homes have to be built, schools, parks, police and fire stations, hospitals, jails, cultural centers and on and on. We live with great roads, (the city even pains lines and crosswalks), a lot of the new areas with underground utilizes, modern supermarkets, malls, movie theaters, restaurants, and all those attractions that were built for tourist are available at great discounts for locals.

This area is modern Mexico and very very real. Playa del Carmen has gone from a year 2000 population of 45,000 to well over 200,000 today. Then add Cancun and the rest of the Riviera Maya.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub9GLqnFj2w The last 30 years of progress.

I can’t see the attraction to narrow cobblestone streets with huge potholes, traffic lights that don’t work, trash that sits on the streets for days on end, and in Municipos that are just to broke to maintain the basics. Some expats like living this way, to each their own.

That “Real” Mexico is the Mexico that Mexicans run away from if they can to place like this. Here is a place you can work, own your own home, and raise a family, live in the 21st century, Mexican and Expat alike.

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trippinbilly23
9/3/2017 13:17 EST

Lurker, you're starting to sell me on Riviera Maya...looking forward to my return visit in a few months.....

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katzgar
9/3/2017 13:19 EST

All-inclusives with beautiful security gates that pretty much says it all right there. Having to hide behind the security gate in an all-inclusive first of all is about tourism and has nothing to do with being an expat. Should you be an expat you're actually going to have to learn to get along with Mexicans and not hide from them behind a beautiful security gate

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WoodwindWayne
9/3/2017 19:12 EST

Kat, try smiling while you post...otherwise you're an online frown...all the time....

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giershift43
9/3/2017 20:51 EST

But it is a hell of a lot of fun in a beautiful place. It's not where a person lives on a permanent basis.

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katzgar
9/4/2017 09:08 EST

There is too much confusion going on in this thread. Hiding in an all-inclusive or on a cruise ship is very different from living in a country and having to accept the local culture which is what expats have to do

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MexJuan1
9/4/2017 12:54 EST

No duh Katz! I doubt that anyone deludes themselves to the point that vacationing at a resort in any country is experiencing that country at it's ground level. Be reasonable.

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giershift43
9/4/2017 13:00 EST

Katzgar, I think most people understand that. It is just that every topic you become the gray lining to the silver cloud. No one is suggesting that Mexico is perfect. It has crime and problems, people make informed decisions and weigh both sides.

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giershift43
9/4/2017 13:01 EST

Katzgar, I think most people understand that. It is just that every topic you become the gray lining to the silver cloud. No one is suggesting that Mexico is perfect. It has crime and problems, people make informed decisions and weigh both sides.

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MexJuan1
9/4/2017 13:20 EST

She's, definitely, a Debbie Downer.

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katzgar
9/4/2017 14:38 EST

When you people start talking about things like ejido land and mordida I'll start believing your intentions

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MexJuan1
9/4/2017 17:32 EST

Yes Katz. Make sure that you qualify all ex pats from your home in the States.

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Cozumeldeb
9/4/2017 17:52 EST

Ejido land? What are you talking about..Land grants go back a long way and only allowed for Mexicans..

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katzgar
9/4/2017 18:19 EST

You make my point for me I suggest you look ejido land up. The beach in Tulum is a hitel land and often there are several Deeds for the same property. The federales go in there every so often and throw people off the land. The town of Tulum itself was a land grant program by The Mexican government. Sometimes the land grants for abandoned and other people took the land up illegally. Often people are selling lots in Tulum that don't own them.

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longtimelurker
9/4/2017 19:13 EST

Thank you Katzgar. You sure have been entertaining. JAJAJAJA

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giershift43
9/4/2017 19:38 EST

Katzgar what is your speculation about our intentions?? You don't really know any of us. This is a website for those interested in expat life in Mexico. What about that seems to make you so angry? If you don't think it is a good place to visit then don't.

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giershift43
9/4/2017 19:44 EST

Culture charges over time and whether people like it or not we have more cultures and international experiences than ever. There are different regions of Mexico. Some more modern than others and families that are also International. When I have vacationed in Mexico there were Anglo-Mexican families. Mexicans who met spouses when students in the USA. They are all real Mexicans and Americans and we do influence each other.

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katzgar
9/4/2017 20:09 EST

here is some more PDC fraud expats should be aware of.
http://fraudalerts.nu/tag/playa-de-carmen-fraud/ and more real estate fraud http://www.theyucatantimes.com/2014/10/fraud-or-incompetence-the-chemuyil-situation/

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giershift43
9/4/2017 20:57 EST

What point has anyone made for you? Be careful You can get cheated We got it. Are the rest of us not negative enough. What is your point . Is it Mecico is so bad no one should explore it?

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Cozumeldeb
9/4/2017 22:04 EST

Read up on Hildago, the Spanish priest who worked for the Mexican people. If your point is be careful when buying, yes and for everywhere you buy..In the US we buy title insurance and in MX foreigners u get a trust if u are in restricted zone..Title ins is available in areas in MX..

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giershift43
9/5/2017 05:13 EST

If the problems that can occur in buying homes in Mexico are discussed, shouldn't the successes be as well. I have personally met people who have done and it worked well. We need to know how that took place as well.

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longtimelurker
9/5/2017 07:35 EST

I am very very familiar with the Chan Chemuyil situation. I looked at buying one of those homes back in 2005 and met the Canadian Rob Wilson. I know people that live there. I read your 3 year old article. "Fraud or Incompetence? The Chemuyil Situation" The answer is 80% incompetence, 20% fraud, and a whole lot of stupid gringos. Who the hell commits to buy a house sight unseen and sends money.

Here is the bottom line to this story. Each of these homes had a lien for back taxes. These taxes were not paid by the owners preceding Rob Wilson. Title can not transfer without those taxes being paid. Pay the back taxes and you get the title, which is how this situation resolved.
The El Faro condo mess was complete fraud. BTW, A Stewart Title insurance policy is not the same type policy as in the USA, does not perform a comprehensive title search and offer completely different protections. There are a lot of scams in Mexico, buyer beware.

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katzgar
9/5/2017 08:35 EST

trying to compare title insurance in mexico with title insurance in the US. not knowing what ejido land is means a lack of knowledge of the real estate market. http://www.newsweek.com/2016/12/09/tulum-mexico-corruption-murder-environmental-destruction-526929.html I have yet to see one comment about all the new condo sales to expats that are in the courts.

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longtimelurker
9/5/2017 10:36 EST

I know this is off the OP's topic but I thought a little recent history (103 years ago) might help understand how Mexico" real estate holdings and laws became what they are today. The is a New Zealand newspaper article written in 1913. Enjoy

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/OAM19130524.2.73.11

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Cozumeldeb
9/5/2017 13:24 EST

Katzgar, yes we all are aware of Tulum situation..ejido land was involved in part..however to compare all the foreign property owners to a small % of foreigners who've made QRoo/Yucatan home is off base. #1 if u are considering buying the first thing is get a reputable notary, they are charged by the government to be sure title is clear. Check sites where u are settling for recommendations for notary. We bought in 2001, went through entire trust process, Scotiabank, it takes a while. In all the years we've been here I've never met anyone who got screwed. Important to do your research.

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giershift43
9/5/2017 13:48 EST

Cozumeldeb, Thank you

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katzgar
9/5/2017 14:32 EST

Yes my research is how I came up with all of the real estate fraud that I've posted on here. I can imagine why who you meet and who you don't meet matters. You need to make up your mind first you say you have no idea what a ejido land is and then you say you're well aware of it which is it?
What a few posters on here may or may not know is only so much value the point is to be honest with people so they know what to look for should they decide to move down there.

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giershift43
9/5/2017 14:59 EST

Ok Katzgar, you should not buy a home in Mexico.

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longtimelurker
9/5/2017 16:52 EST

Katzgar is not buying. He/she is going to rent an apt in SMA for $150 or less a month (as posted above) when he/she finally moves to Mexico.

Katzgar, please post about your experiences when you do make the move. Tell us about all the wonderful expats that will are happy to hold your hand and mentor you. It will enlighten so many without your knowledge and experience. Thanks for enlightening me on ejido, I don't read American newspapers.

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giershift43
9/5/2017 19:50 EST

I have talked to expats who moved to lake Chapala after one visit, bought a house and some have lived there for 15 to 20 years . This is not a coastal area so easier to buy a place out right. Cozumeldeb says she bought on Cozumel in 2001. Do your due diligence and make a decision. Life always has risks .

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Cozumeldeb
9/5/2017 20:24 EST

$150 or less in SMA is a closet, outside of MX City + PV it is one of the most expensive areas in MX..There is a reason they call it Hollywood, rich area, beautiful too..Bigger fan of Guanjuanto, 45 min away..Enjoy Katzgar.

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giershift43
9/6/2017 18:33 EST

I am glad it is an up to date article.

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trippinbilly
9/11/2017 09:59 EST

I found good internet service in PDC when I visited. How is it in other parts? Puerto Morelos, Cozumel, Akumal, etc.
We can retire sooner and do some consulting work, but need reliable internet. Thanks

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katzgar
9/11/2017 11:31 EST

"$150 or less in SMA is a closet, outside of MX City + PV it is one of the most expensive areas in MX..There is a reason they call it Hollywood, rich area, beautiful too..Bigger fan of Guanjuanto, 45 min away..Enjoy Katzgar."

you have never been there have you. $150.00 is a 1 bedroom in the area teachers live in a newer house.

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