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panamajames
  7/19/2015 19:42 EST

On Saturday night July 18 2015 At 8:30pm, Betsy Waddington, her 92 year old mother, and husband Joe, were watching TV in the downstairs apartment of their home in River Ranch, some 2km off the main Gualaca road, in between Gualaca and Boquete.

Three intruders entered through a screen on an open window in the pantry, not 30 feet from where the family was sitting. They burst into the kitchen/living room area, the leader brandishing a silver revolver. Joe Potrebenko, sitting next to the TV, stood up and raised his arms and was instantly shot once in the chest from a distance of about 5 feet. Total elapsed time, less than 5 seconds. Of the seven guard dogs, not one of them detected the intruders.

Joe fell to the floor. The intruders grabbed Betsy and her mother, and threw them face down on floor next to Joe. They were tied with computer cords and Betsy was gagged. Within 5 minutes, Betsy felt her husband take his last breath.

Meanwhile, the criminals were screaming questions at them in a gutter Spanish - demanding to know where the guns were and where was the money. During the entire event, the leader, the murderer, was on the cell phone getting instructions from someone unseen.

For the next two hours they ransacked the house, upstairs and down, opening every drawer and container, throwing the contents around. Even though the killers were not masked, Betsy and her mother, terrified for their own lives, are unable to identify any of them.

They seemed to be very frustrated, because these Canadians had no guns and lived a very modest lifestyle. In the end, they escaped with 5 laptops, three of them old derelicts, a collection of “antique” cell phones and about $50. They stole the family car and returned to the house to demand the gate keys whey they discovered they could not get out.

Another hour passed before Betsy and her mother were able to free themselves and drive to the nearest neighbor to call the police. Both on the night of the 18th and today, the 19th, large contingents of police were investigating, taking finger prints and such. Betsy describes them as very supportive and sympathetic. The stolen car is still missing at this time.

Please be on the lookout for a red Nissan Frontier pickup with plate # 782 874

The question of why, remains unanswered at this time. This was clearly an organized hit, with the leader frustrated and taking directions during the event. Were Joe and Betsy really the intended victims? No guns, no money, no valuables. It seems likely that the shooting was in fact an accident, a reflex by a novice shooter high on adrenaline and what else?

Make no mistake, Betsy has seen her idyllic life in Panama destroyed and will never recover from this incident that will haunt her forever.

What can we all learn from this tragic event? First and foremost, not taking care of your personal security is not an option. In no country in the world can the police protect you from this kind of attack. It is up to YOU to provide for the safety of your home and your life.

Gmancopecito
  7/19/2015 23:57 EST

Intented victims or accidental homicide; this is exactly the kind of stuff that is taking place in PTY and other LA countries. Contrary to popular belief, and as mentioned in this forum a few days back, PTY's crime rate is increasing and foreigners are routinely the targets and victims. It would be interesting to follow up on the police investigation just to see if anyone is
arrested. Be safe and beware of your surroundings.

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Gmancopecito
  7/19/2015 23:57 EST

Intented victims or accidental homicide; this is exactly the kind of stuff that is taking place in PTY and other LA countries. Contrary to popular belief, and as mentioned in this forum a few days back, PTY's crime rate is increasing and foreigners are routinely the targets and victims. It would be interesting to follow up on the police investigation just to see if anyone is
arrested. Be safe and beware of your surroundings.

capforfun
  7/20/2015 07:57 EST

Hate to disappoint you but this takes place in almost every American city of any size every week

Hell the police in the US murder over 1,000 people every year

tjo50511
  7/20/2015 19:01 EST

There have been 7 home invasions this year so far in Indianapolis, Indiana. Panama doesn't sound so bad

Gmancopecito
  7/20/2015 19:17 EST

Were the Indianapolis victims locals or foreigners? How 'bout in PTY? I think that this should be a red flag! Just a thought!

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tjo50511
  7/20/2015 19:23 EST

Mostly locals but at least half were in poorer neighborhoods, not well to do neighborhoods. When you are shot by someone in a home invasion your probably won't worry about nationality. It isn't politically correct to mention it but the vast majority were committed by young males of a certain racial group.

Panabud
  7/20/2015 21:11 EST

7 home invasions / 820,000 Indianapolis population is incredibly low risk of being a victim.

7 home invasions / 2,000 expat population in Panama is 400x higher risk of being a victim in Panama.

There have been many more than 7 home invasions against expats in Panama this year.

It is MUCH safer in the USA as a whole especially if you live in a nice neighborhood.

Panama2017
  7/20/2015 21:52 EST

Speaking of safe neighborhoods, there have been zero home invasions in Costa del Este!

Gmancopecito
  7/20/2015 22:09 EST

Willing to bet that in PTY most victims are foreigners. Even though some locals may have $$, the majority don't have much to take. These thugs know what they're doing. Be safe

Panabud
  7/20/2015 22:37 EST

Sure cherry pick the most exclusive and expensive residential community in Panama, Costa del Este which is very Americanized. It better be safe! Being surrounded by wealthy homes makes you less of a target and dilutes your risk. But not everyone wants to pay that much to live in Panama.

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Panama2017
  7/20/2015 22:55 EST

Panabud, Not sure what you mean by Americanized. Mostly all the residents in my building are Panamanian, or expats from other Latin American countries. The same is true throughout CdE.

Also, I thought the argument on the Forum is that the perceived wealthy are prime targets versus the locals, so how does this somehow not apply to CdE.

Side note...we pay ~twice as much to live in a comparable neighborhood in Chicago - so we are saving a bundle.

Panabud
  7/20/2015 23:37 EST

Americanized referring to amenities, infrastructure and cleanliness. Perceived wealth can mean having a few hundred bucks stashed, jewelry, electronics and guns. Criminals go after easy targets. When an entire community is wealthy it's harder for the thugs to stake out their victims and get away with crimes because there is more security, suspicion and vigilance in these type of neighborhoods and more risk for the criminals getting caught. Good for you saving money moving from Chicago but the vast majority of North American expats prefer not to live in Costa del Este as you have pointed out.

Panama2017
  7/21/2015 08:56 EST

Ok, yes. CdE is North-Americanized with few actual North-Americans living there. This is counterintuitive since NA expats seem most concerned with safety in Panama.

Gmancopecito
  7/21/2015 09:06 EST

AMEN! Very true. Some of these communities you mention have controlled access, perimeter, cameras, etc. similar to a military post making it difficult (but not impossible) for criminals. These thugs go after easier targets. Older folks fall under this category (sorry!)...

Gmancopecito
  7/21/2015 09:06 EST

AMEN! Very true. Some of these communities you mention have controlled access, perimeter, cameras, etc. similar to a military post making it difficult (but not impossible) for criminals. These thugs go after easier targets. Older folks fall under this category (sorry!)...

golric
  7/21/2015 09:38 EST

@panama 2017. If you live in a building in CdE you are more protected but houses of Panamanians in that area have been robbed. Usually a combination of people that worked in the house had access to it and construction workers.

Yesterday in the news (Telemetro) police officer said there are more than 200 organized gangs in the country.

Police have been able to infiltrate 20 of the gangs but still they have a lot of work ahead. As I said before, Panamanians are worried about their security/safety and buying more and more security gadgets for their home and cars.

Above is based on the local news.

Panabud
  7/21/2015 09:50 EST

No different than the reverted canals zones being Americanized yet are now mostly populated with Panamanians. Let me repeat, Americanized infrastructure. Most expats prefer beaches or cool mountain living and that's why they have no interest in living where you do.

Panama2017
  7/21/2015 09:58 EST

Golric, we are in a high rise and do have extra protections for our condo. We feel as safe in CdE as we do in Chicago and are very aware of our surroundings. However we realize there is no escape from crime anywhere on this planet.

Panama2017
  7/21/2015 10:04 EST

Panabud, we are city folk and can not imagine living in the interior or beachtown. But as fearful as some NA expats seem to be of crime, a hot climate might be a tradeoff worth considering.

Panabud
  7/21/2015 11:07 EST

Most North American expats don't come to Panama for city life because quite frankly there are plenty of amazing vibrant cities in their home country that are cheaper to live than Costa del Este or any other upscale neighborhood in Panama City. Even a nice suburbia in the U.S. will have an abundance of amenities and is safe and homes are affordable there.

Panabud
  7/21/2015 11:10 EST

When you come out to the beaches and mountains and speak to the expats living here most will tell you they dread having to go to the city and most certainly would never live there. To each his own.

Panama2017
  7/21/2015 11:11 EST

Panabud, where are you getting your statistics? I ask because per capita I find it hard to believe that "most" NA expats live outside the city.

Panama2017
  7/21/2015 11:15 EST

We love the city and would be bored to death in the interior. Also, we would lack the sense of security we feel in CdE. We would hate to have to use bars on every window and yet still feel unsafe. That seems like a very stressful way to live. But as you say, to each his own.

Travelocity
  7/21/2015 13:06 EST

true, there is city people and there is beach/mountain people. to each their own.
can you imagine if everyone liked the same thing?
also there is house people and condo people. I know people you could never make them move to a condo,.

Panama2017
  7/21/2015 14:30 EST

That's true Travelocity. Our friends are also moving to Panama City and the wife wants a house and garden like ahe currently has amd the husband wants no maintenance living in a condo. That makes it tricky...

panamajames
  7/21/2015 16:03 EST

There was a man shot in Costa del Este not that long ago. He was at a birthday party, and got called outside to talk with some people and was shot in the head. As for bars on the windows in the interior, we don't have bars as we don't need them. We have a nice big gate and locked metal doors. Our neighborhood is very safe and we live humbly. No stashes of cash, guns or jewelry, and simple cell phones and mostly really big nice flat screen CRT TV's that no one wants to steal. We have adapters to plug into them, to allow HDMI connections. You just have to learn how to live in a foreign country.

Panama2017
  7/21/2015 17:14 EST

I remember the shooting in CdE, and totally agree that it can and does happen anywhere. Heck, there was a shooting in Chicago at the Nordstroms on Michigan Ave during Black Friday. Lightening striking...

Gmancopecito
  7/21/2015 17:20 EST

There is no trade off for security or safety. Do your deed and full fill your dreams but make sure you check out all angles first and use common sense not running around with a bag over your head or else, you may have to deal with adverse consequences

Be safe.

Gmancopecito
  7/21/2015 19:28 EST

I guess those shootings in Chicago make it safer in PTY. HUH?

Panama2017
  7/21/2015 19:34 EST

Nope. It just goes to show that crime can happen anywhere including the "Mag Mile". Everyone needs to proactively take measures to be safe whereever you are on the planet.

Lamastus
  7/21/2015 19:41 EST

Don't forget manson

Gmancopecito
  7/21/2015 20:26 EST

I cant agree more.. That has been my point all along regardless of these statistics. The existing PTY statistics for me,are very significant since I was used to a Panama, way back then which was "almost" crime free. You could sleep with your windows and doors open and security bars were almost non-existing. On the other hand, crime has been part of the major US cities culture for the longest time.and the main reason I don't live in any of those cities.Regardless of you look at it, and the rate any where else in the world including Europe, Africa and the Middle East, the crime rate in PTY has increased significantly..
Be Safe! .

Gmancopecito
  7/21/2015 20:27 EST

I cant agree more.. That has been my point all along regardless of these statistics. The existing PTY statistics for me,are very significant since I was used to a Panama, way back then which was "almost" crime free. You could sleep with your windows and doors open and security bars were almost non-existing. On the other hand, crime has been part of the major US cities culture for the longest time.and the main reason I don't live in any of those cities.Regardless of you look at it, and the rate any where else in the world including Europe, Africa and the Middle East, the crime rate in PTY has increased significantly..
Be Safe! .

panamajames
  7/25/2015 14:35 EST

Many international news media have picked up on this story............

http://globalnews.ca/news/2130872/b-c-man-killed-in-home-invasion-in-panama-reports/

panamajames
  7/25/2015 14:46 EST

Infamous crimes continue to shock the nation. Outside Boquete a Canadian man was slain in a home invasion robbery. In Nata a businessman was robbed and killed by what is alleged to be a most unusual gang of six suspects that included a police officer, an under aged person, and two women. There are things that people can do to reduce their exposure to crime, but nothing makes anyone immune. Our hearts go out to the surviving loved ones.............

bluewind
  7/26/2015 12:39 EST

Agreed.

PanamaJackie
  7/26/2015 21:34 EST

Joe was reportedly one of the biggest drug dealers in the area.

There is a lot more to the story than what is being reported.

It was not random.

There is a reason only Joe was shot and not anyone else.

tasnuck
  7/26/2015 21:53 EST

There isn't typically mistakes like this made in the drug crime. They know the territory, players, witnesses, and influential. ...I don't think sharks mistake surfers for seal either:)

Gmancopecito
  7/26/2015 22:18 EST

This whole area is HOT!! Today it was joe, tomorrow Bill, then Jose and Pablo. There is no end. The Cartels are spread all over.

Georg
  7/27/2015 11:31 EST

This comment of yours underscores something I was told by a contact in int'l enforcement. Columbian cartels have been shifting a lot of their nefarious "business" through Panama. This has happened as US and Col navy have made an impact on shipment across the Carribean. It is having a toxic effect on Panama. The combination of lots of money for bribes and lots of young males (to quote another poster) "of a particular ethnic group" as muscle has a corrossive effect on any society. Just look at Mexico, teetering on the brink as a failed state, with a murder rate, higher in towns near the US border than Afghanistan. This forum is great. Panama is now off my short list.

panamajames
  7/27/2015 12:02 EST

There is no question that since the Medellin and Cali Cartels were taken down, and Pablo Escobar was killed in Medellin, that Colombia is doing it's best to rid itself of the reputation of being the drug capital of the world. The town of Pablo Escobar that he built and gave to the poor people has had it's name changed. Pablo started many charities and provided assistance for his countries poor, with the drug money that mainly came from the US and Panama contacts like Manuel Antonio Noriega. Pablo was a modern day Robin Hood but all references to that, have been erased in Colombia, or are trying to be erased. The drug business is still strong in Colombia, but it is much more underground now. You can pick up a brick of cocaine in San Carlos Panama if you wish. Just go down to the ocean's edge where the fishing boats are and ask around. People will openly ask you if you wanted to buy some drugs. People looking to add to their meager incomes or pensions, can be tempted by this offer of instant riches. Every once in awhile, someone gets caught or killed. A few years ago, an expat fellow living deep in Las Trancas near Boquete, got himself into drug trouble and was killed by some drug folk. It is not only Panama, it is everywhere in South and Central America, so if you are looking for a safe place to hide, it will be difficult to find one. The idea is to stay clean, go to bed early, get proper sleep, eat well, exercise a lot, and live a happy life in paradise..........and stay away from drugs.

Jazzmann
  7/27/2015 13:53 EST

Amen, Not breaking the law is a good start to being safe.

Gmancopecito
  7/27/2015 13:58 EST

AMEN PANAMAJAMES!!
Some times you have to think like these dudes to be creative in safe practices!!!

Gmancopecito
  7/27/2015 14:48 EST

Nefarious is correct! The Drug Cartels have been and currently are very active in most CA and Caribbean countries. This is no secret and anyone who disagrees with this is due to lack of knowledge and interest on the subject. This issue has to do 100% with the security instability of the country. You said it: Look at MEX, Haiti, Honduras and others. The younger generation in the hills in PTY where I grew up some 60 years ago no longer want to work the fields like they used to. Instead, now they prefer to make a quick buck selling cocaine and marijuana. The war on drugs will continue to generate "unintended consequences" -- significantly affecting producer countries -- which undermine SECURITY development, governance, health and human rights. It's an epidemic!

Gmancopecito
  7/27/2015 14:49 EST

Nefarious is correct! The Drug Cartels have been and currently are very active in most CA and Caribbean countries. This is no secret and anyone who disagrees with this is due to lack of knowledge and interest on the subject. This issue has to do 100% with the security instability of the country. You said it: Look at MEX, Haiti, Honduras and others. The younger generation in the hills in PTY where I grew up some 60 years ago no longer want to work the fields like they used to. Instead, now they prefer to make a quick buck selling cocaine and marijuana. The war on drugs will continue to generate "unintended consequences" -- significantly affecting producer countries -- which undermine SECURITY development, governance, health and human rights. It's an epidemic!

panamajames
  7/31/2015 20:37 EST

I'm at loss for words, but I would like to post some loving words from our
longtime and forever friends Ellie and Kevin in California...

The unfathomably tragic murder of our friend Joe has been ever present in my thoughts this past week. This inexplicable loss is having a profound affect on me and it feels the same to the many friends of Joe and Betsy's, who are literally, all over the world. We have all had varying types of losses in our lives. Too many, no matter how many. l certainly have had my share; some, very tragic. Yet this violent act (something that, until now, I've only had to read about), is very hard to get my head around . For one human being to unjustly steal the life of another. It's unreal. It's unbelievable and it's so very, very sad. Joe was such a good friend to so many.
I've been struggling to deal with my natural instinct to try to "fix it", to find something I could do about it. I get that, practically, there really isn't much that we can do. From the conversations and emails with friends, my sense is that many of us are having similar struggles....
So, what can we do ?
I would like to suggest that Friday the 31st of July, today, right now, or when you read this letter, we collectively UNIFY our love and powerful positive energies by taking 5 minutes out of our busy day to stop whatever we are doing and just be quiet...and hold Joe, Betsy and Lorraine close to our hearts. You might want to symbolically light a candle, others might want to meditate, pray, chant or close your eyes. It doesn't matter what you do and it doesn't matter what you believe in.
Holding space and honoring the life of a friend IS something we CAN do. Many believe that this type of synchronized unifying can have a powerful influence in promoting goodness, love, and positive change. This world we are living in is in dire need of help. Betsy and Lorraine need help healing. We ALL need help to heal. And Joe deserves our love and thoughts as well.

Please pass this email on to anyone you feel should be part of this circle. It is not necessary for them to even know Joe to make a difference.
Again Friday, July 31st (a blue moon), or when you read this letter................

Thank you,
Kevin and Ellie
.........Look into unify.org (a non profit founded by a friend of our family) for more information about synchronized unification and the positive changes it brings to the world.....................

Betsy Waddington
River Ranch Farms ~ Chiriqui, Panama

Panama2017
  7/31/2015 20:44 EST

My condolences...it is very sad.

panamajames
  8/29/2015 19:15 EST

The wife of the murdered victim Betsy, has gone back to Canada to live, and her mother has joined her. There were untrue reports that Joe, who was murdered, was involved with drugs which caused the problem. There have been arrests. 6 individuals have been detained and arrested as a result. It is difficult to get information from the police, but people close to the scene have sent a report. It is not clear where the case will go to from here, but certainly the family do not want anything to do with Panama ever again. An ending to a very sad story here in the Republic of Panama.

laurieoftexas
  11/17/2015 18:28 EST

Hi. I know someone who lived just a few doors from Joe who was killed by the intruders. Very sad. I would like to know what neighborhood you live in, PanamaJames, if you do not mind sharing it, because it sounds very nice. I have been wanting to move to Panama for a few years now= working on the funds to do so. I think I would like to live where you do. Even with the crime, it's no worse, I don't believe, than it is in the U.S. People are murdered every day in Houston and there are home invasions here as well. If you know of any other reasonably priced areas to live among expats or near them in Panama in the highlands, I would love to know about them. Any information would be helpful for making plans. Thank you so much! I will be praying the violence gets better instead of worse. I don't know of a place anywhere nowadays where there are NO gangs. They seem to have infiltrated every place on the planet, just about.

laurieoftexas
  11/17/2015 18:29 EST

Hi. I know someone who lived just a few doors from Joe who was killed by the intruders. Very sad. I would like to know what neighborhood you live in, PanamaJames, if you do not mind sharing it, because it sounds very nice. I have been wanting to move to Panama for a few years now= working on the funds to do so. I think I would like to live where you do. Even with the crime, it's no worse, I don't believe, than it is in the U.S. People are murdered every day in Houston and there are home invasions here as well. If you know of any other reasonably priced areas to live among expats or near them in Panama in the highlands, I would love to know about them. Any information would be helpful for making plans. Thank you so much! I will be praying the violence gets better instead of worse. I don't know of a place anywhere nowadays where there are NO gangs. They seem to have infiltrated every place on the planet, just about.

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