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dunnee
9/30/2016 17:13 EST

I have a 3.5 hec farm (4025) in Bugaba, Sortova, near the Catholic Church for 15 years next Feb.1
My neighbor, Alahondro (spelling?) SantaMaria
Has been turning aggressive for a year or so. I am not sure why but there have been Mex. illegals showing up giving me a bad time on his behalf.
Today I felt this info should be shared.
Regards.

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SunsetSteve
9/30/2016 17:36 EST

Keep a detailed diary, backed up in the cloud. CCTV in and around the house is inexpensive now.

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XSMEMORIES
9/30/2016 18:39 EST

Do you live on the property? Is it titled to you. You should contact the authorities and probably contact a local lawyer, first the corriegadora in your area or the mayor. Don't wait to it on Mon., it's hard to say what's up not being there, however don't delay and have Alejandro's name and info.

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dunnee
9/30/2016 19:12 EST

Yes I did all of that last year. From top to bottom, though not the mayor this time. The Pol Nat came by and I pointed out the Illegals, showed my Res Card, have my land title, Driv Lic and asked them to ask one question, "show us your ID". The answer was no just go and buy a gun. The same thing I was told to do from "down town".
Odd, that.
Regards.

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oscar76
10/1/2016 01:47 EST

"turning aggressive" is a wide meaning.
they must have said, what they want, or not?
your property? money?

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RICOBREEZE802MARK
10/2/2016 21:31 EST

ARE You living on the property?

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OldPro
10/3/2016 11:10 EST

"The answer was no just go and buy a gun. The same thing I was told to do from "down town". "

Well if that is indeed the response, I know what I would do. Find a better place to live.

I'm trying to picture myself being told by the Police to 'buy a gun'. In what countries might that happen and would I want to live in any of them? Ummm, NO.

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golric
10/3/2016 15:59 EST

@ Dunnee:

Go back again to the police or corregiduria. Also do you have someone preferably Panamanian that you trust so he/she can go with you?
Don't wait if you are not living in the place they could move in and start building their bohios in your land and you will have a big problem to take them out even if they are illegals.

But if you are living in the property you need to get the authorities to help. You also need a good, reputable lawyer.

Keep us informed.

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volcan357
10/3/2016 17:10 EST

If they are illegals I wouldn't go to the policia nacional. It might be better to go to immigration. Immigration has special police in Pasa Canoas. Also remember everything in Panama is inconsistent. It doesn't matter if you are trying to open a bank account or whatever. Just keep trying.

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RICOBREEZE802MARK
10/3/2016 18:18 EST

Yeah sounds to me like the guy next door wants to steal your land, by having them turn ugly towards you and next they will be setting up camp on it, once they do that you have very little time to get them removed like a year, if not they can lay claim to that land, last time I heard of that happening the judge ruled for the land to be sold and everyone gets a share of it. I had some land with a old house on it, had a local drunk set up in it and I had to force him out. I didn't really want too because the guy was homeless but I couldn't afford to let him stay and start making claims on it.

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missinglink
10/4/2016 14:02 EST

For myself this thread has solidified my decision to continue renting and not to purchase. I have been seriously weighing the pros and cons of a purchase and this is not the first time I have heard of this kind of situation. I defiantly did not come down here to have to deal with that kind of BS. Life is to short.

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dunnee
10/4/2016 15:30 EST

Thank you all for the input. Keep in mind I have title for 14 years. Paid the tax for "Right to Occupy", the cottage I built over the years.
As I like to say, " I am just a retired guy building a place in the tropics".
Could be "envy" which is a hard nut to crack.
Regards.

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volcan357
10/5/2016 19:11 EST

I have owned several properties without any kind of problems. However I do think it is better to rent. Most likely you won't have a problem with squatters but the biggest problem with owning a property is the lack of liquidity if you wish to change locations. Trying to sell a property in Panama is not easy.

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OldPro
10/7/2016 13:34 EST

When you read threads like this or advice somewhere telling you not to leave your place unoccupied but to hire a 'house sitter' if you go away for a week or whatever, does it not make you think twice about a place?

Advice re 'squatters' who move in if you leave your house for a few days and who you then may spend months, years or forever trying to get thrown out, are common as can be on sites covering many countries and in particular, Central and South American countries.

It is clear to me that a lot of people actually do little if any real research on a country before buying something. I'm no longer surprised by it but I no longer have any sympathy for those who find out the hard way.

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jonoyakker
10/7/2016 23:59 EST

Oops-new laptop...I responded by accident....What I was saying is that a lot of the responses are of the "chicken little" variety. Bad stuff happens everywhere. Just had my wallet stolen in the US. Good luck trying to avoid it.

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