augieman
2/26/2017 06:58 EST
My carne de residente permanente shows an expedia date , and an expira date of 10 years later.
I assumed everyone 's did.
I am now told that this is not so and that others are truely permanent with no expedia/expira date.
Does your carne include such dates on it?
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StanleySankey
2/26/2017 08:04 EST
Permanent resident card and work permit issued under Friendly nations visa do NOT have expirary dates.
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augieman
2/26/2017 09:24 EST
My pensionado residency card does have an expiration date.10 years from date of issuance.
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tharin4prez
2/26/2017 10:16 EST
It's just the expiration of the card itself. You'll simply have to renew the card, not your residency. It's like a drivers lisence, ever so often, the ID must be renewed. Even a cedilla has an expiration of the card.
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Panama2017
2/26/2017 11:34 EST
I just looked at my Cedula and there is no expiration date on it. It also states "Indefinidamente" across the bottom of the card. Ask you attorney why.
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glockdiver69
2/26/2017 12:28 EST
@Stanley: This is not true, at least not in my case. My cedula (received under the Friendly Nations) expires in 10 years from the date of issuance. That is, THE CARD, expires. Just like my US drivers license and US passport expire on a certain date. You are still a Permanent Resident, you just need to get a new card (and picture) in 10 years. It makes sense as people change as they get older, skinnier, heavier and so on.
So in short, no worries. Just know that in a decade, you will have to get a new picture taken for your cedula.
Later,
GD69
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lapapuja
2/26/2017 13:05 EST
The old carnet for permanent residents did not have an expiration date, But if your carnet is over 10 years old you need to get the cedula.
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StanleySankey
2/26/2017 13:30 EST
My cedula expires in 10 years my residency card does not. Athough the fact that some people seem to have cards that expire while others do not is not surprising in the least. However, if you can find some process in the country that is consistantly followed, then that would be a "Stop the presses" moment and would lead the national newscast...
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augieman
2/26/2017 18:02 EST
So I now realize that i have no idea of the difference between a cedula
and permanent residency card.
Arrgg
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StanleySankey
2/26/2017 20:13 EST
The residency card is what you get when you are not a Panamanian citiizen and apply for a visa to immigrate to Panama, you will get a temporary one while they evaluate your request. Then if you are successful you will get a permanent residency card that says you can live in Panama and leave and re-enter the country without issue.
The cedula is nothing more than an national ID card that everyone natural born Panamanian or permanent resident gets issued. You don't technically need to have one if you are here as a pensionado, but it will make your life easier if you have one.
If however, you are here to work then it is expected that you have it.
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Panama2017
2/26/2017 20:42 EST
I only have a Cedula and not a permanent residency card. And as I stated, the Cedula that I have does not expire. I think it is referred to as an eCedula. But other people I meet have what is called a "carnet" which is a card that requires periodic reissuing. It's not all entirely clear to me either...
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glockdiver69
2/26/2017 22:28 EST
@Panama2017: The "E-cedula" is, per my attorney, a cedula that is granted to a person that is not a natural born Panamanian. A "carnet" is a Temporary Carnet and that is issued to you during the period when you Permanent application is being vetted and processed. The Temporary carnet is then turned in when you get your Permanent ID (they both look the same...the yellow ID card). Once you have your Permanent ID, you can then get a cedula. That cedula, unless you were born in Panama, will be an "E-cedula". It will show as a white and blue card with a big E-(followed by a number). Those are valid for 10 years and then you will have to get another card. Just like a passport or drivers license.
I hope this helps.
GD69
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augieman
2/26/2017 23:10 EST
Ok what I have exactly matches your description.
So I do have a cedula after all......
I think.....
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Panama2017
2/26/2017 23:21 EST
I tried to post earlier and it did not post. So...the Cedula I have is not eCedula after all. It is mostly yellow with a blue banner on top and no "big E" followed by a number. And like I said...no expiration date. I will ask my attorney what it is called unless someone here knows.
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StanleySankey
2/27/2017 07:29 EST
I found some images on the internet.
Residency card looks like this.
This particular one is valid for one year
http://askannahow.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Panama-ID-card.png
Cedula for permanent residents looks like this. Natural born citizens have a different style.
http://d4.panamaamerica.com.pa/sites/default/files/primo2.jpg
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Panama2017
2/27/2017 08:28 EST
Oh ok, I see what I have now. Here's how the process worked for me. When I submitted all paperwork to Migracion and received the initial approval I had the permanent resident card valid for one year like the card in the first sample that StanleySankey posted. The purpose was to last until the final approval of my permanent status. That card was accompanied by a multi-entry stamp in my passport to allow me to re-enter Panama as often as I wanted during that initial year without a fine. Then a few months later I went back to Panama to pick up my Cedula, which is NOT an eCedula with the big "E". My Cedula looks exactly like the permanent resident card in the first sample. The main difference is that it now has the word "INDEFINIDAMENTE" stamped across the bottom in the white area. Also, instead of an "Expiracion" it has "Fecha Expedicion" and "Fecha Aprob R". Otherwise, it looks like the top sample. It was issued under the new process that was in place back in March 2015. Hopefully, this helps.
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augieman
2/27/2017 08:37 EST
Thanks for this Stan,
The second pic is identical to mine.
White with big pic top right,large E with number under It.
small pic lower left.
expedia and expira under name ,dob,country of origin,with 10 year life.
I DO HAVE A CEDULA(.Permanent resident card) after all!
however,I have no other cards .
Are there any other related cards available.steve hinted at a second card.
PS The cedula uses the word carne', not carnet.!!
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augieman
2/27/2017 08:42 EST
Panama2016.
I ff the exact procedure as you.
But I ended with the big
E cedula..
It was ussued in april 2016,so I'm
not clear on your idea that dates
of issuance are relevant to the different end result??
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Panama2017
2/27/2017 09:23 EST
If you are addressing me, my name is Panama2017.
I point out the date, and the process beecause my attorney offered two choices to me back in 2014, the new and the previously existing. But she recommended the new process that I described. I have never had a "carne de residente permanente" with a big "E" on it...never seen it before today when I saw the 2nd sample. The only card I have is the card in the 1st sample, which is not called a "carne". That appears to be what the second sample shows and StanleySankey refers to as a Cedula. But I have never had or seen that card before. Maybe this is the card my friends refer to and call a "carnet". If you have the bottom sample and are calling it a Cedula, it is not the same as my Cedula. That is my point. Mine never expires...yours does. Ask your attorney why.
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SunsetSteve
2/27/2017 13:08 EST
I suspect some of the foregoing is not correct.
I got he one-year card with stamp as Step 1, as PA2017 describes.
Four months later I got the "Indefinite" Pensionado Visa, the yellow one with no E-number and no expiry.
My lawyer then applied on my behalf for an E-Cedula, or ID card, for an additional $50, which card is now available to me but I have not gotten back to PA to pick it up. The E-Cedula is optional, but reportedly helpful.
So if you have a yellow Indefinite card that is not an E-Cedula. But you are still good to go without.
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StanleySankey
2/27/2017 15:16 EST
I just had a chat with the neighbour, who is a retired teacher and received a little Spanish 101 lesson.
Cédula translates to identity card while carnet or an alternate spelling of carné or trajeta is the generic word for card. While carne without the accent on the e of course means meat.
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Panama2017
2/27/2017 15:37 EST
I sent an email off to my attorney a little while ago because I am very unclear. I obviously don't have an eCedula and not sure why I need one. But the card that I have looks exactly like my real estate agent's card. I know because we frequently go out to eat and we all through our cards in for the discount. I'll let you know what my attorney says.
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stgibson
2/27/2017 16:57 EST
Ok, here goes.
#1 Temporary residency card yellow & blue= issued while waiting for residency application to be approved.
#2 Permanent residency card yellow & blue - issued when permenent residency is approved (mine says indefinate) however if you stay out of the borders of Panama for more than 2 years it is canceled and you will have to re apply.
#3 E- cedula blue & white with a big E - if you want to apply for Panamanian citizenship you must get one of these. It is not necessary otherwise. Pro- it does make things a little easier. Con- if you bought a car, land or a house before you receive your E cedula everything will be registered with your passport number if you get an E-cedula you will have to re register all deeds and titles with the new E cedula number which is time consuming and can be expensive.
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