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llseldon
3/28/2017 20:49 EST

From a friend in Panama who visited Cuba FYI:

Those of you who have been talking of going to Cuba may find this interesting.


A 77 yr old guy goes to Europe, Canada, Mexico and now Cuba for bicycle road trips. I thought you might enjoy reading of this gentleman’s bicycle trip to Cuba:

On February 1st I flew to Atlanta, met some friends and we flew to Cancun, Mexico. We spent 4 days there, mostly touring the Mayan ruins of Tulum and Chichen Itza and getting ready for the next part of the adventure. Seven more people flew in and we all boarded a Mexican airline, Interjet, and flew to Havana for a week of bicycle riding in Cuba.

Cuba, where nothing works, including the people. Unemployment is 48% and of those who do work, 8 out of every 10 work for the government. Before heading to the western part of the island, we spent a night in Havana at the Riviera Classic, the finest hotel at the time. 20 stories with 3 elevators, but only one worked. Contrary to what I found in the rest of the country, my shower only had hot water. Turn the knobs all you want, but you only got hot, scalding water.

The stories about the old cars is quite true, but many of those cars are used to take tourists on tours of the city. $30.00 gets you 2 hours in 1952 Cadillac convertible and you can pile in as many people in as you want. Old Chevys seem to be the most popular and a few are quite nicely restored. They all fell in the 1941 to 1957 range. I saw nothing newer than a 57. By restored, I mean they look good on the outside, but as our Cuban tour guide said, there would not be a V8 under the hood. The original had failed decades ago and with no parts to fix it, other means had to be found. Generally that involved putting a 4 cylinder Russian made diesel in and making the necessary changes to get it to fit and mate up with an unknown transmission.

Outside Havana, the country is still in the 19th century. Many people walk, but equally as many use horses, both to ride and pull carts. I saw wagons pulled by oxen on the highway. We traveled by motor coach, stayed in crude motels, and ate in restaurants; all owned by the government. Staying clean was a challenge. In the public restrooms washing your hands was interesting. You need three things to wash your hands; water, soap, towel to dry. Well the towel was your shirt or pants, because there never was any towels. In 1/3 of the toilets there was no water and in one case, there was a lady standing beside the sink with a bottle of water to pour over your hands. In an equal number of places, there was no soap.

If you thought not having soap and water in the rest room was a problem, imagine not having a toilet SEAT. Yep, no toilet seat and it wasn’t just confined to public facilities One of the rooms we stayed in had no toilet seat, which was matched by the fact there was not toilet paper. In its place, somebody had carefully torn individual sheets of toilet paper from a roll and placed them on the back of the toilet.

Free health care and education is one of the things Castro brought with his revolution. The health care is generally limited to the bigger cities. Our guide told us that a taxi driver in Havana earned more in tips each day than a medical doctor earned in salary in one month. Oh, and the doctor can be arrested and jailed if he attempts to treat people on the side for extra money. Education is free, but the reality is that most people cannot afford to stay in school. Our tour guide was the exception. He completed college and got a Master’s degree in computer technology, but can’t find a job in that field, so he conducts tours.

We visited a tobacco farm, where we had the opportunity to purchase genuine Cuba cigars for $3.25. The farm had been in this man’s family for 3 generations, but only recently had actual title been put back in his name. The government claimed it after the revolution. After harvest, the government takes 90% of the tobacco, leaving the farmer with just 10% for his “own personal use”. He chose to demonstrate how to hand roll a cigar, then sell it to tourists. I asked our guide if all farmers lost 90% of their crop to the government. His reply, “Oh no, vegetable farmers only give up 60% of their crop”.

The roads looked like they had been carpet bombed with huge pot holes everywhere. Add that to the very steep hills we encountered and it made for slow biking. While I am no speed demon, one day I averaged just 4.5 MPH as I attempted to find bits of pavement between the holes in the road. In many cases, there was no road, just dirt and when the trucks went past, we were engulfed in a storm of dust and exhaust fumes. A few of the trucks were left over Russian military vehicles. Personal transportation in the rural area was provided by stake bodied trucks. People would stand by the side of the road and climb aboard when such a truck came by. The fare was around 8 cents and you stood packed in the bed of the truck with several dozen other people.

Those on well fare receive $25 a month, plus a ration of beans, rice, and cooking oil. The money came from the Cuban government, but the Russians provided the food. Each month a supply cargo ship docks with beans, rice, and cooking oil sent by the Russians. Speaking of them, the Cuban version of the Missile Crisis is quite different from what we heard in the US.

Glad I went, but have no desire to return. Cuba makes our inner cities look like paradise and the poverty is staggering. After two weeks abroad, we flew home and I spent the night in a Hampton Inn at the Atlanta airport, before catching an early morning flight back to Seattle. Took the longest hot water shower every after having a cheeseburger, fries and two gin & tonics for dinner. I was really glad to be back

Dedicated to all Bernie Sanders supporters and other DUMMYCRATS that believe "Government Socialism" is so much better than our country that was built on "Capitalism."

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PanamaJackie
3/28/2017 21:25 EST

Great report about Cuba. Some friends in Panama went to Cuba recently and reported the same thing. Sad situation!

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SunsetSteve
3/28/2017 21:35 EST

"Dedicated to all Bernie Sanders supporters and other DUMMYCRATS that believe "Government Socialism" is so much better than our country that was built on "Capitalism.""

Not to defend socialism, but to see an American state the above when the Cuban people have had to struggle so hard to overcome the cruel ravages of an unremitting American embargo for so many years, at the behest of hard core Cuban capitalists - well it's just a calumny. Starve a beautiful nation to the edge of desperation and then blame it on them rather than on your own evil policies - typical.

I am proud that throughout that period Canada supported Cuba with trade and tourism while America tried to starve it into submission. But the Ugly American will still spin the bullsh1t of The American Way.

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SunsetSteve
3/28/2017 21:47 EST

And if childish political name-calling is the game, I guess we can legitimately refer to the Republicants. They just can't seem to get the hang of actually governing.

Tit for Tat kindergarten games?

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Soontogo
3/29/2017 04:00 EST

Yes, Cuba is poor. Deliberately made so by the US in retribution for having a different form of Government. I have a Cuban friend who loves his country very much and is hoping desperately too return soon.
Castro is dead, The Bay of Pigs will stand forever as a blight on the American name and will be held as a banner by all who oppose American might.
Despite all attempts. America failed to force this brave little country into submission. Time now for America to admit their shame and help Cuba grow to what it should be.
Cuba will always be a historic shame on the land of " free ". Time now for recompense.

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Panamajack
3/29/2017 07:02 EST

Hi great article.
One point tho'--don't confuse socialism with communism.
They are very different.

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Johninnv
3/29/2017 09:19 EST

Someone who can't discern the difference between communism and socialism has no business commenting about either system.
Are Canada, Australia, Sweden, Switzerland, New Zealand, Germany, France, Panama, Norway, Austria, Great Britain, etc, etc all also "failed states" ?

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Panama2017
3/29/2017 09:59 EST

llseldon, two things came to mind as I read this post. You consistently try to shut down discussions that are not "about Panama", yet then you post this account of a visit to Cuba. Why?

If the intent was to discourage folks from visiting Cuba, it did not change my mind at all. The sole reason that I plan to visit Cuba is to experience its culture and its people rather than to judge it.

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cinparadise
3/29/2017 18:51 EST

How soon people forget.

When will Cuba government return the property it confiscated from people? They confiscated my family's property but I guess that's OK to you liberals. Where's our compensation?

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Panama2017
3/29/2017 18:54 EST

It's not ok. Why would you even say that? But Cuba has to get in line along with Native Americans and Blacks.

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SunsetSteve
3/29/2017 19:08 EST

And Jews and Palestinians and Irish. It's a long list an for some, time to move on i suppose.

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dumluk
3/29/2017 21:29 EST

Well said Sunset.........I am in agreement with you.........And I think it was better when I went to Cuba in the late 90s........I think it was a brief window of improvement..........And becuz of my Spanish I could talk to Cubans everywhere I went and I even met engineers who had lived and worked in Moscow....And they ALL wanted to know WHY the U:S. was punishing them so much...........Me too.......And they even tried to punish me when I went back to the States after that visit..........And you know, that at that time the older Cubans were so gratified to see an American visitor....They treated me with the utmost hospitality.....I really like Cuba....but I have to admit....I did get hungry, jajajaja.......and when I got back to Costa Rica, (who being the puppy dogs that they are dobbed me into the American customs ) I did as the old dude did, not quite but almost.......cuz I dont eat cheeseburgers....I am a bit more discriminating in my eating habits......but I ate like a horse........YOu can get very hungry in Cuba..........its true.............and now, back to my yellow fin tuna which is cooking on the stove here in upcountry Panama..........

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dumluk
3/29/2017 21:59 EST

@Sinparaiso............Not to devalue what you said, but what happened to the hundreds of millions of dollars of Cuban treasury money that was carried off by the so called Cuban elitist patriots who fled to Coral Cables and bought up prime real estate with Cuban money? Ive seen it, and even heard the stories from Cuban surfer buddies in Hawaii....one who grandfather was the Minister of Finance or something..........They took everything they could..............and you know it.....And left Fidel and the victors with next to nothing........If it wasnt for Russia they wouldnt have made it at all.........The U.S. is sin verguenza.............and it still is..........And its gonna pay for its sins........and Im afraid to see it......Cuz I too have many friends and family up there........Most of course still hypnotized by the MSM............Sheep led astray.......What can I say......I think I will write a song.......To express just what went wrong..............Bartender.........another round please.........and my largesse does not extend to the political sleaze...........

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llseldon
3/30/2017 07:33 EST

Panama2017 you are correct, this site is for Panamá, accept my apology for posting the comments of my friends trip to Cuba.

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Hugemeister
3/31/2017 13:49 EST

Nice propaganda laden review of Cuba...

You could substitute the word Panama for Cuba in that spin and make all the same observations,,,

Save the rhetoric for Fox news and other conservative echo chamber dendrites please.

None of what you submitted contributes to the body of information on Panama in this Panama forum...

Maybe try going back to old school fear tactics and profile some expat who gets mugged for $15 in Bocas....much more drama and ego validating replies for you...fodder for your trophy wall corkboard in moms basement....

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