well.... I can understand that you are upset.
I am unsure that a fee of 12% of value on bring in personal items is TRADE. Still, it is a one time fee and done.
Vitamins and sport supplements are rare here in Peru and if you find some they are pretty expensive. That is changing and I see more availability in more common places.
As far as basing a decision on these to quirky instances I can assure you that the Advantages Far Outweigh these two issues.....
I am happy to answer should you reply....
pistachio

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Pistachio, well-reasoned discussion from you as always. Many of us non-rich seniors have taken control of our own health decades ago, as corporate contributions to health insurance dwindled and the "plans" covered less and less while the yacht-and-three-home doctors kept charging far more than the plans covered. We use supplements, like serrapeptase to avoid arterial plaque and PQQ and COQ10 instead of beta blockers. Make these illegal to obtain (while hundreds of thousands die yearly from side effects of Big Pharma poisons), forcing us to go to MD's for RX's and the country that does this is posing not a silly nuisance, but a serious risk to our health. A German friend I was speaking with last week told me that Poles do a land-office business in neutraceuticals banned in Germany and Germans have become very clever about smuggling them in. I'm trying to leave a corporate police state, not go to another one.

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okay,, okay,,,,,,,,,ow
Search; Supplements and Vitamins,,,
you will see 170,000 results.
In filters Select - International Shipping
Then select - Peru
So now you have about 7800.
Amazon International ships DHL
The Accurately calculate shipping and also calculate Customs Fees.

DHL is Unusually excellent in getting packages through customs and in to your hands at your door.

I think this is a not so bad way to bring in your supplements.

ok,, your paying shipping and some duty but you get what you want.

I ordered some things impossible to find here,, and DHL always delivered. The were helpful with delays if they occurred.

You can keep rearranging your order on Amazon until you get the right mix of product vs shipping to get the best bang for your shipping buck. Each time you change the order it will immediately recalculate both the shipping and the customs charges.

Regular DHL I think is about 6 days and does not go through Serpost,, it is direct..............

At Amazon you are going to have to fill in the shipping / billing locations in your account, Setting up an account is no problem and not difficult.....but you have to do that to get the order making [ & testing ] capability..........

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part of my prior message got lost,, but ok
in the beginning I was saying to go to amazon and search supplements and vitamins then select international shipping then select peru...

If anything is unclear please ask me to clear up anything.

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Pistachio, I certainly don't mind the shipping. i already have an Amazon account and buy many of my supplements through them anyway. That is not an issue. A previous post stated that, as of Jan, '14, Peruvian law required a doctor's writ on file in order to receive any sort of supplement. As to the FTA, import tarrif on one's household goods, many I bought so long ago, I no longer have sales slips. Guess I'd have to go to a current tool catalogue and find a photo, description of a wire meter and then translate that into Spanish to back up my stated price. That is going to be precarious. Ditto for bringing one's clothes. How to estimate a pair of pants, and then the Customs bureaucrats, if they think I paid too little from an online overstock store, just jack the price up? This is going to be fun.

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Pistachio, I certainly don't mind the shipping. i already have an Amazon account and buy many of my supplements through them anyway. That is not an issue. A previous post stated that, as of Jan, '14, Peruvian law required a doctor's writ on file in order to receive any sort of supplement. As to the FTA, import tarrif on one's household goods, many I bought so long ago, I no longer have sales slips. Guess I'd have to go to a current tool catalogue and find a photo, description of a wire meter and then translate that into Spanish to back up my stated price. That is going to be precarious. Ditto for bringing one's clothes. How to estimate a pair of pants, and then the Customs bureaucrats, if they think I paid too little from an online overstock store, just jack the price up? This is going to be fun.

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Shipping personal possessions to Peru is no doubt a pain in the ass. That said, you just gotta get behind the requirements and creat the package.
I only needed a portion of a container. I obtained space on one of the shipping companies dedicdated for that purpose. You pack up your good in cardboxes, number and label each box with the destination address.
You creat a manifest with the name of the general contents of each box and the total estimated value of each box. No Receipts necessary. The items are picked up by your cargo carrier/shipping company and you are charged I think by Volume not weight, or some kind of combination. It is shrunk wrapped and sent on. After arrival you have about two weeks to pick up after cleared.
Each package is inspected and there is a general assessment of the value. If there is a variation of value you can contest or pay.
Suppose you bought shoes for $100.00 and now two years old or the same for say three shirts now used.... the assumed value for either of these could be say 15$ and that is what you declare.......I don't think there is an agenda to be unfair or hike up the values.
So, now you have generated a value for each carton and totalled. They do the same....... You or an agent you hire to be your inbetween Advocate finalizes any negotiations / you pay and pick up... Bingo!
Your shipping company will give you good advice too.
It was quite a chore to put is all together from selecting what was important to bring /selling or giving away the rest. Packing and packing and listing and valuing but the day came and the cartons were on their way to the port.
All of my things arrive intact and just as I sent them even though each box was opened and inspected and resealed. Honestly, I have no complaints. I lowballed all of the values and they hiked them up and really, it all balanced out..... I paid, the shipment was released, I had a trucker bring to my apartment and that was it!

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Pistachio,
We were discussing household goods shipping in. I found a whole discussion on another board which I think anyone considering moving to Peru should view. Apparently, fluoride is added to ALL salt in country. It is a health disaster, although, of course, it does keep us peasants docile and manageable (it's certainly worked in US). Also, several participants reported that one cannot ship supplements in to Peru, not via mail, or Amazon or however. It is illegal to buy anything but the weak, synthetic stuff at major corporate retailers such as GNC. This clicks with what a Peruana friend told me about having a bottle of vitamins confiscated at Customs, going down there for a few months to a sick relative. Also, she could not receive. The post is at http://www.expatperu.com/expatforums/viewtopic.php?t=18546

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Fluoride does not have any metabolic effects on people, it doesn't keep anyone docile,, it is not a sedative!!
It is an attempt to help dental health in a third world, up and coming country....
I do not understand the supplement restrictions but there is more availability of nutritional supplements here more each month, you can observe this at the malls and the stores.......
I went to the site you suggested at expat peru, I know the site well and you can find me there under the same name.....
The thread was totally ridiculous,, there is no Conspiracy or conspiracies ............. the thinking is bizarre and unfounded....
From a sensible and practical view, Peru has many charms...........you ought to visit and get a feel for it first hand.... there is no way to really know it from a distance...........
pistachio

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Fluoride would not, even if epidemiology supported its use in carie
prevention, which it does not, be supportable as a food additive, as with
salt or in our water. It is no accident that it is banned throughout the
EU, as are GMO plants that make their own pesticides internally- with good
reason. It is a proven carcinogen. It is a proven contributor to mental
retardation. If mercury, arsenic, or cadmium were thought to make our teeth
stronger, we still would not countenance having these potent neurotoxins in
our water or salt. I'm glad to hear that, even though we can't ship them
in, supplements are more available internally. I am remembering what
Stewart Swerdlow said in a recent interview, that there was no reason to
suppose that anything but another, local version of the global cryptocracy
would be in charge anywhere else, so it is not surprising to see this. The
introduction of a halide group element that is a known, well-researched
neurotoxin, that is "persistent" (builds up in system and is not
metabolized out) and is a carcinogen is not supported by any agenda except
some sort suggested by conspiracy theorists, or maybe it's just some basic
industries, such as aluminum refiners, looking for a place to dump a toxic
waste product that is otherwise hard to dispose of and profit therefrom.
Either way its presence in table salt in Peru is insidious. As I said, the epidemiology just does not support you. Nations that ban fluoride, their dental health is often better than ours.

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The arguments for or against Fluoride are at best inconclusive.
Checking SALT label for common household salt all contain fluoride. Some have Iodine and others do not.
I imagine that the Peruvian policy to fluoridate salt is due to that it is more effective here than to place it in the water supply. The water supply is potable only if boiled. Most simply drink it as is. Some, including myself use bottled water for many uses and limit the use of tap water.
I digress and more on water if ever at another time.
So, if you wish to escape Fluoride here in Peru you cannot use common salt. I did notice that some "Special" sea salt and other salt products do state, 'sin fluoride' so for home purposes you can avoid it. Out on the street, in restaurants and possible prepared foods probably not. As it is, escaping Fluoride in Salt is much easier than escaping it in water, [ in my opinion ]
I do not believe there is conspiracy afoot in any arena. I believe the true intention is to reduce dental problems.
For me, the fluoride issue is not even near a deal breaker.
Still, the next time I buy salt I will look for one without fluoride.
pistachio

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Hi Pistachio,
Thanks for the detail here.
You said you hired a trucker - is that to get your shipment from Lima? All the quotes are coming in to Callao port and then another ridiculous sum to transport to Trujillo. Did you use a local firm to bring your things up the coast?

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there is a port just south of Trujillo,, I think called Salverry,,,, but no international shipments get there,,, all shipments involving Customs have to process through Callao...
When the trucker brought my things from Lima I was not involved. It was set up by a friend of my friend so I have no idea,, but it was not expensive. I got some local chicos with a small truck to meet the trucker and bring everything / about 52 cardboard boxes to the apartment I had in Trujillo at the time... and I gave then all some money and they were happy and satisified.......
There is Constant traffic from and to Lima ..... it is about 6-7 hours by car , about 8 for a truck and about 9+a little by bus / people usually take buses everywhere to all points in Peru [ where there are roads ]
and the cliffs,, well,, that is Another Story........

just in case,,, know that you Cannot bring firearms At All,,,,, and remember,, I mentioned that all of my parcels were opened / inspected and repacked [ very nicely ] but I could see the layers of tape and the last with the customs markings as the final seal.


shipment from Miami to Callao was about 11 days and another week to clear customs....After clearing you have I think - 10 days to move out your stuff or you pay storage fees....

Remember, for appliances, they need to be able to take 220 volts

Computers here only speak Spanish,, you have to bring one bought in in the states.... This is courtesy MICROSOFT trying to stop piracy.... but they say it allows computers here to be more affordable.... Bring your own computer,,, and they automatically take 220v without any additional conversion....

ha!... bring your own salt,,, all of the salt here had fluoride,,, haha!

any more questions,, feel free to ask.....

In Trujillo, the sections known as California and La Merced are good,,

There is an Imigracions office on Larco near the intersection of Fatima and Larco,,, but they are only going to refer you to Lima anyway......

There are INTERBANK atms at Real Plaza Mall and Mall Aventura in Trujillo. You can tap for money less small fees.... with a $ limit per day....also a transaction limit per day...

Dollars can be converted to soles easily outside of the bank,,, they are legit... it is common......

ok,, good luck and keep me posted...
also,, a good idea to update all your vaccines......

In peru,, carry bathroom tissues with you always... you won't find in 95%,,, of the bathrooms,, no ,,, wait... 100% of the bathrooms,,, ha!

also,, hot water is uncommon everywhere in houses,, sometimes with what is called a therm in the bathroom shower....you have a hw shower.... beeee Careful ! ! ! ! ! ! !!

we can talk more about this and we should,, it is easy to get Electrocuted with those devices.... we will have to talk..........220v 32 amps is quite a Zap !

make copies of your passport and carry those,, not the originals after a while....

if you update your passport before leaving,,, GET THE PASSPORT CARD

also,, update your drivers license,,, to get the farthest out date.. even though it may still have a few years on it.....

Just before leaving get an International Drivers License at AAA... a small fee and good for a Year while you sort things out... no test,, just a fee.....

pistachio

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Good to know the import duties on private goods...That helps me rethink my future move .I was planning on bringing in a 20 " container but may just sell off my things and replace when I relocate. All my tools(and there is a lot) are 240 volt also... Its not a perfect world.

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Oh, on the whole saltfluoride debatate, I think this has to be overshadowed by the more natural produce you will be consuming.. The first time I ate chicken in Peru it was like a childhood memory suddenly awakened.. Im not a foody by any standard but even I love the taste of even the most basic foods in Peru compared to the bland limited choices we seem to have here in Australia, And the price of food is waaay less too. I say embrace the change.

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digga,

I have to agree. I live in the north, by Trujillo.
Lots of Peru reminds me of the States when I was a youngster.
I was impressed by the everyday availability of Lamb, Turkey, Duck as opposed to having these only on Holidays in the States.
More, here,, juice is real juice and is found as the norm everywhere.
I remember not being able to get anything that was not from a powder or a concentrate in the states.

As far as the salt fluoride issue, if you want you can find in the supermarket salt without it. Generally it is on some obscure shelf in the supermarket and is claimed to be gourmet or sea salt and of course it is priced as such but really, if for some fluoride is an issue,, ?how much salt do you use?. So, there is a reasonable workaround to the fluoride thing.

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