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johnsam
4/19/2012 09:45 EST

hi ..want to marry my filipina girlfriend, 59 yrs old. She is separated but did not get court papers due to expenses...neither annulment. was advised we can marry in hongkong or macau...what can she bring to prove she is has been single since 6 years now and i am divorced years ago already. Please help.

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jnieurzyla
4/23/2012 18:52 EST

You could be heading for big trouble, if she was married in Philippines, then you cannot get divorced, its against the law, though various lawyers will try to screw as much as they can from you getting annulments, they are very expensive. Divorce abroad for her, does not count here..
Are you sure her ex is still alive?? if not, then no problem.
If he is not, and you still want to live together, and the ex finds out, you could be blackmailed, as there is a new law just come out about committing adultery, and he could try to screw you for everything you have.
If you do want to stay together, then you will have to move to an area where she or her family is not known, and she cannot tell anyone where she is, cos they love to gossip!!!! Believe me, the gossip here is insidious.

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peabody
4/24/2012 09:25 EST

I apologize for asking a personal question without prior permission from you, but are you nuts?

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johnsam
4/26/2012 07:42 EST

why NUTS? Hey, im here for advise and help....not for anyone to callus such! Let me say this...if falling in love between two people is a right, things that have happened prior to both our lives, we did not plan. Now, since we met, i think we deserve or even anyone for that matter, DESERVE A SECOND CHANCE, IF THAT IS NUTTY TO YOU, THAT IS NOT TO ME! GOT IT? Dont reply to my query if you have nothing better to advise. I would understand , you must have lesser gray matter in there, or a heart of rock, or totally having a devastating life at the moment. I am only here for help, not to be insulted!!!!

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CAteacher
4/27/2012 00:19 EST

The previous writer was unkind in what he said. But his point was accurate - no document that you aquire in another country will allow you to be 'married' in a legal sense in the Philippines. However, as someone else counsuled, many people will be more than willing to take your money and promise you that they can help. Beware, my friend.

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johnsam
4/27/2012 00:58 EST

Thanks CA Teacher, that is very kind of you. As I read all advise on here, does it mean that there is no chance for us to be married anywhere? But I know a lot of filipinos married to foreign nationals who were once married in their country. Does it mean that their marriages are never binding? If so, how can I make my fiance secured and happy if I could not marry her? Will living together without marriage be our only option? What about marrying in Las Vegas? And she files divorce for her ex husband there. We read somewhere that is recognized in her country since an article was passed there 2005, that if a filipino marries a foreign national and becomes naturalized, the filipino spouse can file and grant divorce to their ex, granting them capability to remarry too. Please help, as this issue can make me lose ground of our long time plans, dreams and life together. I am lost. I want to spend a new life with her as my last card in life.

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johnsam
4/27/2012 01:06 EST

Besides, I m not getting into any help for exchange of money , as many say on here, they could grind me. And that makes me very dependent on how people can help me her through expat resources website, simply for the sake of helping and advise, without expecting for any in return. I am looking forward that someone out there help us cross our bridge in this senior years of our lives. I owe my partner too much for waiting for 8 long years just to join life together. I shall be very grateful for a guided path for us.Thank you.

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CAteacher
4/27/2012 11:52 EST

I'll check about the legality of a Las Vegas divorce. I know it requires that you be present in the state for at least 6 weeks. That requires airfare and cost of living in the U.S. for six week. Not cheap. Whether a Philippine citizen can divorce/annul a Philippine marriage and have the divorce honored in the Philippines is something I can check on. Are you a U.S. citizen?

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johnsam
4/27/2012 12:06 EST

thanks CA teacher. I would appreciate if there other options you can suggest if you think staying in Vegas for 6 weeks will be too much for us. I admit, it must be. No, Im not a US citizen, im from UK.

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jglans
4/27/2012 13:43 EST

When I lived in the Philippines, I was able to get a divorce from a Phil. national in Guam by establishing residency there by being present for 7 days. However, we were married in the U.S., and no there is absolutely NO divorce in the Philippines if your would be spouse was married in the Philippines. If you are hoping to live with her in the Philippines as a recognized spouse, it will never happen. Perhaps you could reside together and get married in another country where it would be recognized. Where are you/she living now?

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jglans
4/27/2012 13:45 EST

And to add on.....the divorce would NEVER be honored in the Philippines and would need to be first obtained in the 2nd country.

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jglans
4/27/2012 13:45 EST

And to add on.....the divorce would NEVER be honored in the Philippines and would need to be first obtained in the 2nd country.

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eppnrpi
4/27/2012 20:43 EST

johnsam:
I've been reading with some interest your thread and it became the subject of discussion w/my wife last night, so, for your edification here is what I found out.
A colleague of my wife, another professor, also a Filipina, was able to obtain an "annulment" after more than ten years of marriage and two children. It was granted about five years ago.
Though she did have an attorney, she did the processing herself, apparently saving her considerably. The first and major consideration is that it was a friendly break-up. The whole process cost her in excess of P120,000 that's about $2,850US.
So we know that it is possible, however, is neither cheap or easy! Believe me, absolutely NOTHING with the courts here is easy a lot of running here, running there, copies here, copies there, fee for this, fee for that, notary for this, notary for that.....
But, look at the bright side, it IS POSSIBLE!
I would warn you here, DO NOT just ignore the process, it is made difficult for a purpose and you leave yourselves open to both civil and criminal problems if you ignore it, for you it would probably mean that you would be deported and "black-listed" for re-entry, she could end up in prison!
My suggestion would be for her to refer to her separation papers then visit the courthouse where they were issued and inquire what she will have to do to get this formalized so that she is able to legally marry again!
Hope this helps.... Good Luck!

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johnsam
4/29/2012 00:50 EST

hi...thank you very much to you and your wife for taking time to discuss our predicament. i appreciate everything. But one line along your reply caught my attention. My girlfriend is neither annuled or LEGALLY separated. It was too expensive for her to go through the process that time even more so this time. She said, she tried referring her case to few lawyers to have it formalized, but when lawyers would ask if she is remarrying ...they would charge her for additional this and that...And she said, that is when they find out she intends to marry a foreigner. Meaning, it boils down to money or subtle extortion, as she defines. Until she gave up on working her case and left it to fate. Maybe right, but not until I came along. Now we have plans, but at the way things are advised to me here on, will our dreams simply remain as dreams? Will our illusions turn into delusions? We can always live and be together without marriage, if things are unresolved, but i wont be happy myself, because I promised her, come hell or high water, i will marry her because I love her and I want her to experience no more being abandoned or be desperate of being alone again. She is 59 and me 67. She is a very gracious decent woman , despite her age, remains beautiful. i still believe she deserves the finest if not the best treatment one can be offered.

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johnsam
4/29/2012 01:18 EST

meaning she can divorce her ex husband in another country, file it there..and then send divorce papers to phils?thank u so much jglans

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johnsam
4/29/2012 01:21 EST

she is still living in Manila now, and I am still in UK.

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eppnrpi
4/29/2012 22:22 EST

johnsam:
I'm afraid that you hit the nail right on the head....it all comes down to her legal status here! You may be willing to go thru "...hell or high water", but this is a battle that she will have to fight. If she truly wishes for both of you to be together and live here in the Islands, the ONLY way is for her to follow the procedures that are required!!
I respect your feelings and applaud your your sense of responsibility here, but this has nothing to do with you, it is her past, it is her responsibility to get the "paperwork" done. Believe me your getting involved with any of this will simply cost more!!
With her current status she CAN NOT LEGALLY marry ANYWHERE in the world, she is STILL MARRIED until she completes filing and is awarded an annulment!
So really it is all up to her, you could live together (outside the Philippines) but that does not sound like what you desire and I understand that, but let's face it, that is the reality!
I guess the only suggestion I would make is to have her check a new attorney, don't tell him she wishes to re-marry, just that she simply wants to finalize the annulment so that she can complete a will and name beneficiaries for her estate and wants to be sure her "former husband" and his family have no standing when it comes to inheritance, because as Philippine law goes as I understand it, her entire estate goes to him upon her death UNLESS there is an annulment! That argument should stop any questions about a foreigner being involved.
I know the process is scary for a Filipino, they really are afraid, in general, of dealing with the courts or the government, but you just need to assure her that IT IS THE ONLY WAY and if marriage is what SHE REALLY WANTS too she will just have to clinch her teeth and make her way through the process.
We wish you all the best of luck!
God Bless!

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johnsam
4/30/2012 00:19 EST

thank you eppnrpi...so much! everything you wrote is true and are both fully aware of the law, as she fully explained to me. Truth of the matter is...I am the only one persistent to marry her, despite her saaying , it is only a piece of paper. besides, if it is about HER estates,as she said "being conjugal". and scared that it might all go to her ex and his new partner, she already made a notarized will that all goes to the names of her 3 sons alone. She wanted to file a case of concubinage against her ex, (being still considered married to her legally, yet living with another partner), which she thought would be easier and less costly for her to get the annulment. She is seriously thinking of that , but i could not help her decide as i am not familiar with her country articles. If you say so that this is a better option, then this might be the answer, as she thought. But as always, she suggests what the piece of paper is not that necessary anymore after all, she is not interested of becoming naturalized, but just spend our remaining time together. Then, this sinks in my head like I am the one giving her all the heartache and hardships for insisting that I WANT to marry her, and sounded like without it, we can't be together, don't you think eppnrpi? Yes, you are right, it is maybe about my sense of responsibility and being fair with her for being there waiting for me to throw the dice for the past 8 years. Now, i get guilty understanding.By the way, from what country are you, if you don't mind? You seem a nice friend.

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jglans
4/30/2012 00:36 EST

johnsam - I did not mean to imply that the divorced outside of the Philippines could be taken back and recognized in the Philippines.......I strongly doubt that it would, which is why I asked where the two of you live now and where do you plan to live in the future? I don't want to sound like a pessimist, but having lived for quite a while in the Philippines in the past, I know that money can buy you almost anything. But if you are able to obtain "papers" from particular authorities, if there are nationwide laws against divorce, I wouldn't count on those papers being recognized anywhere you go..... Apologize for being the pessimist, but I think that is the reality....

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eppnrpi
4/30/2012 18:21 EST

johnsam:
In response to your question, I'm an American expat, a former general contractor from Arizona. I married a Filipina and relocated to Mindanao ten years ago. Now enjoying building our "dream home" (we've been working on it for 7 years now)! I'm a bit of a perfectionist when it comes to building so I've come to the realization that if I want it done right then do it yourself and since we get wood straight from the chainsaw we have to season and dry the wood ourselves then mill and plane to size before we can build with it. For instance for our hardwood floor I lost count at 1,400pcs, cutting, planing, sanding, then machining "tongue and grooves", in short, that took almost a year!!

Now, back to you.... I think the whole idea of bringing "a case" against her ex is a bad idea.... there's nothing good that can come from that! It will do no good and will simply "muddy the water", better to spend your efforts in positive pursuits. The good thing about his "moving on" is he can not fight an annulment!
However, just because he has decided to live with another woman does not mean that its ok for you to do the same. If you decide to move here and "co-habitate" you, as a foreigner will be held to a higher standard. And if his family discovers it, the odds are pretty good that someone will want to blackmail you because when they look at you they see "wallet"!
As for her will and estate she'd better check that, it is my understanding that she CAN NOT simply leave him out of her will, inheritance laws FORBID it! My research on this matter has shown me that these inheritance laws go back to Spanish colonial times and have been codified into law. My understanding is the only time a surviving spouse does not inherit is with real estate when the surviving spouse is a foreigner, since foreigners are not allowed to own property here! So she should double check!
I still think the best bet (and right thing) is to carry on with the annulment process!

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Oleanna821
1/22/2013 19:03 EST

NOTE: THIS IS NOT A LEGAL ADVICE AND I AM NOT A LAWYER. I merely, read the family law in the Philippines and the immigration law in the U.S. You still need to consult with immigration lawyers to be able to give you a proper and legal advice with your situation.
If your girlfriend is able to come to the U.S., and stayed in Las Vegas for 6 weeks, she can then file a divorce. Once she is divorce and have the decree, you can then get married. After the wedding, you are to file a petition for spouse and at the same time file an adjustment of status. When the petition is approved and she receive her permanent status/Green card. She is still under a conditional status for 2 years, as your marriage is new. 90 days before the 2 years period expire, you will have to file a removal of conditional status for spouse for her to become a U.S. Permanent resident. If you were born in the U.S. your spouse can file her citizenship after a year. Meaning, 2 years of conditional status and 1 year of being a permanent residents. Immigration only requires 5 years of the other spouse to be citizen so the permanent residents' spouse can file a citizenship. Now, for her marriage in the Philippines, there is no way that the divorce she had filed in the U.S. be acknowledge by Philippine court as foreign judgment, because at the thime she filed the divorce, she was still a filipino citiizen and therefore still a subject of Philippine government. For your marriage to be legal, you should re-file a divorce here in the u.s. and then send the decree to the philippines and file a motion to court for acknowledgment of foreign judgment. That way, the new divorce shows and prove that your spouse is no longer a filipino citizen.

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okreutz
1/28/2013 12:50 EST

johnsam,

as you can imagine there are a lot of these cases in teh philippines due to teh absence of divorce. in the little village my wife is from about 25% of wome live with a "husband" that is their second or third mate and is not legally tehir husband. Even so, everyone around treats them as a family etc.
So, unless you're hung up on that piece of paper, go live with the lady of your dreams, be happy and don't worry about a piece of paper.

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pinaymentor
1/28/2013 17:55 EST

this is why I love this group. Everyone is truly helping each other! Kudos to all of you who have been actively sharing and helping out!

Things to consider when making this life long commitment:
1. Your fiancee can file an annulment and it can be done in months with the right lawyer outside of Metro Manila which will cost you about P150k and above. She will have to go through the court system several times perhaps the shortest is in one year.
2. This will mean it will cost you money and it seemed like it will come from you. This is a worthwhile investment as compared to what peace can give you in the long run.
3. If she decides to live with you without annulment, when she pass on, anything that she owns are to be divided between him and her kids and that is the Philippine law.
Even if she has a will, the law states that the spouse is to get 50% and the rest to the kids and his kids from the other woman.
4. I will check my friend's lawyer who did her annulment in a year and get back to you on that one.
5. This means that you still have to wait patiently till its done before you can move forward to marriage.
6. When you are ready to move forward, let us know so we can help you settle here comfortably.

Meantime, enjoy life together. Life is short, enjoy everyday as if it's your last day!

Pinaymentor
Plan well. invest well.insure well.live well....

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peter7
1/29/2013 05:11 EST

Good Morning , I have been down this road , and eventually married my Filipina Bride in The Philippines . We now live in UK , but have homes and family in both countries . So all I add to the very correct comments given ......IS ...you will be lucky to get it done for under 150k pesos , and try not allow her Lawyer to know you are a Cannock/Foreigner ....This will draw it out and so much money will go under the table ..Remember You cannot trust a Filipino ...You can love them but never trust !!!

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sweetheart
12/6/2013 02:42 EST

hello ! Johnsam, If your fiance still married in Philippine.. she can file a divorce here in Hongkong, you can enquire to legal aid Hongkong. my application of divorce is almost done.. but the divorce certificate cannot use in Philippine..only other country like hongkong.. you can get married here. Goodluck

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Thechaser
2/10/2014 06:46 EST

The statement that you can divorce is MISLEADING. At least one of the parties has to prove residence or a strong connection to Hong Kong to apply for divorce.
This is not the case for the couple asking for help. Please do not B**lsh*t people who need real help !!!!!

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garywigle
2/10/2014 18:46 EST

She is a married woman. You are nuts!

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TonyC
2/10/2014 22:57 EST

My friend, have you seen her original marriage certificate to prove that she was married ?

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chance2013
2/10/2014 23:52 EST

Personally if your going to live in the philippines then I would just live together choose a place miles away from her ex and just enjoy each other your lady is right it's just a piece of paper. If you want to take her to uk there must be a way of getting a divorce somewhere else not sure how tho. But for me just live together many do here with the laws as they are here many many couples just live together with their bf/husband not the big issue you might think it is

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standupguy
2/11/2014 01:33 EST

My Filipina wife needed to annul her failed marriage. She separated from her husband for 7 years and there were no children. She also suffered physical abuse from him. Our lawyer charged us $4,000 Canadian, though we over paid by $600 bu comparison with the price of annulments in Davao given to Filipino's. Our lawyer tried holding back on processing documents, particularly the NSO ones. So my wife told him that I would not give her any more money and was returning to Canada because he could not marry. However, we processed the documents ourselves in Davao. Look on line about the process since I got most of my information from Philippine law firm websites on the subject. We had to get a psychological report in support of the annulment and pay off the judge. It took about a year. I would definitely urge you to get a Philippine legal annulment. There are real obstacles if you don't have one because the Commission on Filipinos Overseas will block her exit visa. You also have to prove to the CFO that you are a person of outstanding character and support your wife honorably.

Some of the people on this website make their comments using extreme language to over-emphasize
their point. Disregard their impolite delivery, though there may be some merit in what they say.

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standupguy
2/11/2014 16:49 EST

One footnote on the Annulment process: one difficulty may be if her ex-husband will not sign the consent agreement to annul their marriage. They may be angling for a pay off. My wife's ex-husband agreed to annul their marriage since he already had a common-law with kids by her and he held no grudges. Good Luck

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JWilliamsflask
4/1/2014 09:53 EST

Dear Oleanna821,

Very interesting. So I would assume that I would bring her over on a tourist visa? She establishes residency in Vegas for 6 weeks. Tell me, does she have to literally stay in Vegas? I live in Tucson.

I’m just trying to find a way to solve our problem. Any non-legal advice would be most helpful. Thank you sir for your time.

Regards,
John W.

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chance2013
4/2/2014 00:42 EST

My feeling is the ex husband would demand a lot of money before will sign annulment especially if his wife is with a wealthy foreigner

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standupguy
4/2/2014 01:14 EST

Not true in all circumstances. My wife's husband signed the form. He all ready had 3 kids by his common law. In some cases of Muslim marriage a dowry is given and that would have to be repaid.

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chopper23
4/2/2014 11:16 EST

Don't do it sounds like trouble she has to have an annulment, or it will come back and hunt you if know annulment do not marry you are asking for a world of hurt.

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chopper23
4/2/2014 11:26 EST

if she loves you like you say you love her she knows that there is know way NO way she can marry you without paying for annulment give her the money to get an annulment and then she what happen you will see is she really loves you. You have to listen to the guys here on this site we have been there done that and is trying to help you cause she knows she can't marry you legally and if you ever live in the philippines you are not consider marry watch her closely something tells me you will find out the hard way. Guys here have years of experince that you don't we are just warning you of the dangers and you have a red flag DANGER.

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chopper23
4/2/2014 11:34 EST

Hey how long have you known her, a dating site, do you know her family have you met her family and kids find out much as you can about her you have a long uphill battle just being honest and she knows this it will cost you a lot and the lawyers want stop once they see you it could take years I am serious been there done that and if I was you do a background check on her it could save your life, just keeping it real you can thank me later.

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standupguy
4/2/2014 14:39 EST

Package deal for an annulment in Davao is 190,000 pesos which pays the judge for a "quick decision", pays the psychologist for the report that is needed. I got to know my wife's family and all that, but we knew we were solid from the beginning. You might need to cut the lawyer loose like we did. They delay the filing of the final round of documents with the NSO. Since we had the documents on our last payment, my wife told the lawyer she couldn't get any more money from me since it wasn't final. So since we couldn't get married then, I was returning to Canada. We took our "decision" and other documents (receipts), then did the last round of filing to avoid the additional bills her lawyer was after. My wife's annulment took 6 months.

Like I said before, her ex-husband singed the annulment document. It was no big deal. I found out all the information on the Web beforehand. Your lawyer would need to file the documents in the court house in the city were they were married. That same courthouse is the office that sends all the documents ("decision", etc.) to the NSO in Manila. After two weeks, my wife went to the NSO office in Davao and got her "Cenomar" to show her previous marriage is "null & void". We showed the Davao municipality the "decision", "the Cenomar" and the other documents and gave us the marriage licence. Once we were married and got our marriage certificate from the Judge, we got our NSO marriage certificate which is the legal one.

I heard it lots of times "never trust a filipina", and responded with confidence that "I'm a good judge of character". I didn't need a private eye or anything. I got to know the her family members.

They complained they would get a nose bleed if they had to speak so much English.

Good luck to you.

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standupguy
4/2/2014 14:39 EST

Package deal for an annulment in Davao is 190,000 pesos which pays the judge for a "quick decision", pays the psychologist for the report that is needed. I got to know my wife's family and all that, but we knew we were solid from the beginning. You might need to cut the lawyer loose like we did. They delay the filing of the final round of documents with the NSO. Since we had the documents on our last payment, my wife told the lawyer she couldn't get any more money from me since it wasn't final. So since we couldn't get married then, I was returning to Canada. We took our "decision" and other documents (receipts), then did the last round of filing to avoid the additional bills her lawyer was after. My wife's annulment took 6 months.

Like I said before, her ex-husband singed the annulment document. It was no big deal. I found out all the information on the Web beforehand. Your lawyer would need to file the documents in the court house in the city were they were married. That same courthouse is the office that sends all the documents ("decision", etc.) to the NSO in Manila. After two weeks, my wife went to the NSO office in Davao and got her "Cenomar" to show her previous marriage is "null & void". We showed the Davao municipality the "decision", "the Cenomar" and the other documents and gave us the marriage licence. Once we were married and got our marriage certificate from the Judge, we got our NSO marriage certificate which is the legal one.

I heard it lots of times "never trust a filipina", and responded with confidence that "I'm a good judge of character". I didn't need a private eye or anything. I got to know the her family members.

They complained they would get a nose bleed if they had to speak so much English.

Good luck to you.

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philover
4/2/2014 17:08 EST

Johnsam,
I have been reading this and just wanted to add a few things. I had a Filipina girlfriend who had there grown children. youngest 16. She had been separated from her husband for 15 yrs. We were able to get her marriage annulled and previous posts as to cost are accurate, we spent just under $3000 US.
Trying to get your gf out of Manila would be a major hurdle first of all if you sought to get a divorce in another country. As far as I know she would not be granted a visa, probably not even as a tourist , which in itself is very difficult. She cannot get a fiancee visa obviously. She cannot lie when making application for a visa since all visas require a physical exam and the doctors know whether or not a woman has given birth, I dont recall if you said she had kids or not.
Your best bet would be to persue the most logical means that is legal and that is annulment. I could put you in touch with a lawyer I used in Manila 15 yrs ago, but I dont know that he is still alive or practicing law.

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standupguy
4/2/2014 23:13 EST

Fiipina's married to Westerners cannot leave the Philippines without getting an exit visa from the Commission of Filipinos Overseas. This includes a one-to-one counselling session which is difficult to pass even with everything tickety-boo. They are going to let your gf out of the country until you have done due diligence there first. Filipina's who are married and want to live common law with their bf are not going to get their exit visa.

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BillLeland
4/3/2014 03:21 EST

agreed, that's how those rat bastard pinoys think
How to cheat you and you only want to move on with your life want no problems. Mrs. P: AKA pINAY THINKS i'M TO HARSH i'LL HAVE THE LAST LAUGH HERE.
BILL

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BillLeland
4/3/2014 03:23 EST

i HAVE NO USE FOR THOSE ABOGADOS PINOYS WITH A LAW LICENSE HOW DOES IT GET WORSE? BILL

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standupguy
4/7/2014 13:58 EST

I have posted comments on getting an annulment previously. To marry a Canadian, you must get an annulment first. There are no short-cuts. You will not be able to enter Canada unless you have a valid annulment and NSO marriage certificate. Citizenship and Immigration Canada has a useful website. They will not give you a temporary Visa if they know you have a personal relationship with a Canadian since they don't want Filipina's getting married in Canada and then applying to be a Permanent Resident under the Spouse category while still in Canada. The Embassy in Manila will not give you any information or if they do it will be too ambiguous to know what you are missing. Immigration will want to see all "records" of your relationship, photos, boarding passes, etc. to determine that your relationship is a valid one or if you are trying to scam Immigration. My Filipina was very confrontational with our lawyer who was trying to string me along for additional payments. Once we had the court "decision" , we finished the processing ourself. I am retired so I was living in Davao the whole time. Our lawyer was a block away. My wife had to tell him that she could not get anymore money from me and I was returning to Canada since we couldn't get married yet. When I returned a few months later, we finished the filing process ourselves and got married in Davao.
then I submitted all the documents & forms Immigration needed , but we had a 9 month waiting period. I was approved to be her sponsor after 3 months by the Case Processing Unit in Mississauga, Ontario. That was based on my income and sworn undertaking to support my wife for 3 years. There is no way to contact the Embassy in Manila, They will not reply unless it is to obtain further documentation (high school records, etc.). Finally my wife's Permanent Resident Visa was issued. It is time limited for about 2 1/2 months. If you don't go to Canada in that time, you have to start all over again and pay the $1,040 CAN again. The cost is probably higher now. Getting your exit Visa from the Commission of Filipino's Overseas in difficult too. I was on hand for that in Cebu. My wife had copies of all our documents on her cell phone, like the bill of sale for our home, birth certificate, annulment documents, marriage documents, etc. My wife and another Filipina were the only 2 to get exit Visas out of 12 Filipina's. Once in Canada, we went to the Multicultural Centre in Nanaimo, BC also called the Welcome Centre. They paid for several courses for my wife and provide her with free English upgrading. They also committed to pay for a University programme in Health Care. That is why the cost for the Permanent Resident Visa was so expensive. The Welcome centre gets their funding that way. You have to use a courier to send/receive stuff to the Embassy in Manila. I never got my decision from the Case Processing Centre in Mississauga, ON. since it went missing in the Philippine mail. I dealt with that on one of my return trips to Canada since the CPC will only receive domestic calls.
Keep a copy of everything you sent. I brought my desktop computer and printer to Davao. I had to use a converter for the printer, but my HP desktop had a switch in back for 220 volt current.

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BillLeland
4/7/2014 17:45 EST

The tamad abogatdos drag stuff out and view this as thier income stream. a 10 year seperation will accomplish the annulment.
Bill
Listen up peckerwoods I know these pinoy lawyers are bottom feeders.

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ACEPoolPlayer
4/8/2014 07:58 EST

In this case it's not only pinoy lawyers, it's all lawyers. My mother passed away two months ago. I'm still choosing an Attorney to work on the will and the probate process. I'm the executer of the will. Different Attorney's different prices. Initial fee, plus billable hours.... What a joke, "billable hours". Who knows what they can make up and what that can add up to. Atleast in the Philippines you don't get charged per minute whether on the phone, in person or without someone timing them!!!!!!! Now this un official timed billable hours is real BS.

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LovelyMe
5/16/2014 16:36 EST

Technically yes, to prove residency. However, You should check the Arizona state law if they allow a foriegn visitor to file a divorce as most of the states does, but requires residency and depending on how long.

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Dave48
11/17/2015 09:51 EST

There is truth to the Hong Kong Divorce. My Filipina Fiance did it and she received a K-1 visa to come to U.S. to marry. You do have to be living in Hong Kong, not sure how long, but she was there at least two years and show strong ties to Hong Kong. This does not help her situation in the Philippines as she is still married there, but we will have her naturalized her and then try to get divorce recognized in philippines.

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pam6159
11/17/2015 12:53 EST

This situation is a potential disaster for all concerned. Regardless of the country (Philippines, Hong Kong, U.S., Australia, etc.) the laws all prohibit multiple marriages. That is the legal status you girlfriend would be in were she to marry you or anyone else anywhere else under the circumstances. And since you would be shown to have prior knowledge of the situation, your situation would not be much better.

I understand matters of the heart can be persuasive, and I don't like being the wet blanket, but it would be a seriously bad idea.

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louisbecke
11/17/2015 19:56 EST

I was with my past girlfriend for 9 years. She was separated for 15 years but when I filed for an annulment here they come threatening me with adultery charges and extortion. When you renew your visa's never but a separated women down as a contact or the same address as you they will use Immigration to prove adultery.

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louisbecke
11/17/2015 19:59 EST

Your not nutty bro lots of separated women here but you are is an opportunity for extortion by the husband even though he is with another girl and has children with her. Your a foreigner your wrong and you pay that's the way it is here.

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standupguy
11/17/2015 21:37 EST

louisbecke - my girlfriend was separated too. We got an annulment Her estranged husband ( for 7 years) agreed to it without asking for money. He had a girlfriend and 2 kids with her. They both committing adultery. He's not so bad a chap, just physically abusive. My wife separated for 7 years. It's not as bad as you describe.

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louisbecke
11/17/2015 23:35 EST

My experience was that bad as was an Australian in Mariveles. he was jailed on adultery charges. I had to leave the country for 3 months then come back to a different address so there would be no evidence. This was suggested to me by Immigration because I would not pay the former husband so they registered a complaint with Immigration.

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wilbur043
11/18/2015 02:19 EST

It might not be as bad as he describes Stand Up Guy but, what he described does happen. I remember an episode of the TV show Locked Up Abroad where a Brit got arrested for adultery here. His girlfriend was separated and her husband had nothing to do with her until he found she was pregnant by the Brit. He had them both arrested for adultery and according to the show, even though he was not the father of the baby, it was his baby because he was still married to the girl!
A friend of mine told me a girl he was chatting with on Filipina Cupid had her Australian husband arrested for adultery too. She had one of her friends seduce the guy and then the girl who seduced the husband took naked pictures of her and him in bed! She even sent my friend the pictures which he showed to me! I told him to stay as far away from that girl as possible!
Personally, I would not risk fooling with a separated woman. There are too many good, single women here to risk the rage of a jealous husband!

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standupguy
11/18/2015 04:10 EST

wilbur043 I saw the same documentary. That is the worst case scenario. Another threat is that the custom of immediately throwing out an unfaithful partner. Facebook can be a problem with friends requests. If compromising photos are sent to lure you and you respond, then the pnay will copy them in a message to your spouse which appears in your timeline. FB is easily spied on. It cuts both ways.

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standupguy
11/18/2015 04:25 EST

on a different note, my pnay wife says that close to 50% or her pnay friends left their husband because of inadequate size. The well endowed are at an advantage it seems, or at least the well matched.

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catabisis
11/18/2015 05:08 EST

It ain't the meat. It's the motion

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louisbecke
11/18/2015 06:14 EST

I hate Facebook. Filipinas are experts on finding things out. One slight post and they read all kinds of crap into it from their friends and family. Someone may post a photo of them at Starbucks that causes a storm or a new Iphone. Twice some idiot frinds of my wife thought they were bragging by posting a photo of their Passport, open with all information to see.

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louisbecke
11/18/2015 06:14 EST

I hate Facebook. Filipinas are experts on finding things out. One slight post and they read all kinds of crap into it from their friends and family. Someone may post a photo of them at Starbucks that causes a storm or a new Iphone. Twice some idiot frinds of my wife thought they were bragging by posting a photo of their Passport, open with all information to see.

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louisbecke
11/18/2015 06:14 EST

I hate Facebook. Filipinas are experts on finding things out. One slight post and they read all kinds of crap into it from their friends and family. Someone may post a photo of them at Starbucks that causes a storm or a new Iphone. Twice some idiot friends of my wife thought they were bragging by posting a photo of their Passport, open with all information to see.

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louisbecke
11/18/2015 06:16 EST

Sorry of the triple post screwed up internet here.

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louisbecke
11/18/2015 06:20 EST

If your going to do this you have to be very discreet about it. Make sure you live away from your family and nobody knows where you live. Don't put your girlfriend as a point of contact on visa extensions don't mention her anywhere not even as a reference. That's what got me in trouble.

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louisbecke
11/18/2015 06:23 EST

Listen close. As I stated last post read and heed. Also as long as nobody knows your in the picture the husband may not put up a fight but the minute he gets the papers believe me he will check with everyone she knows down to classmates if their is another man in the picture.

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wilbur043
11/18/2015 07:41 EST

Standupguy, from the posts of yours I have read,brought tend to be a little optimistic to say the least. You extolling the virtues of Davao while I wouldn't live on visit there if you paid me. I often wonder after reading your posts about Davao if you are on Duerte's payroll? On the other hand, some people on here make this sound like the worst place on earth to live. I have to wonder why those people stay here. I myself am a realist. I thoroughly researched this country before I came here for the first time. I know this isn't the paradise some people make it out to be nor is it as bad as some people claim.
You say you saw the same documentary so you know it dud happen. The second scenario I described had nothing to do with Facebook or social media. A girl my friend was chatting with knew or thought her Australian husband was cheating on her. So, she set him up. She had a friend seduce the guy. Her friend took naked pictures of her with the husband which the wife used to have him arrested for adultery! Yet, this girl had a profile on Filipino Cupid and was trying to hook up with my friend!
Worst case scenario? Maybe but it is a very real possibility. As I said in my previous post,with so many good single women here, PERSONALLY, it isn't worth it to full with a separated woman. That is just my opinion. You are entitled to your opinion.
By the way, in your previous posts you have stated you don't live here permanently yet. I do! When you live here permanently for awhile, let's see how big a cheerleader you are then!

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wilbur043
11/18/2015 07:41 EST

Standupguy, from the posts of yours I have read,brought tend to be a little optimistic to say the least. You extolling the virtues of Davao while I wouldn't live on visit there if you paid me. I often wonder after reading your posts about Davao if you are on Duerte's payroll? On the other hand, some people on here make this sound like the worst place on earth to live. I have to wonder why those people stay here. I myself am a realist. I thoroughly researched this country before I came here for the first time. I know this isn't the paradise some people make it out to be nor is it as bad as some people claim.
You say you saw the same documentary so you know it dud happen. The second scenario I described had nothing to do with Facebook or social media. A girl my friend was chatting with knew or thought her Australian husband was cheating on her. So, she set him up. She had a friend seduce the guy. Her friend took naked pictures of her with the husband which the wife used to have him arrested for adultery! Yet, this girl had a profile on Filipino Cupid and was trying to hook up with my friend!
Worst case scenario? Maybe but it is a very real possibility. As I said in my previous post,with so many good single women here, PERSONALLY, it isn't worth it to full with a separated woman. That is just my opinion. You are entitled to your opinion.
By the way, in your previous posts you have stated you don't live here permanently yet. I do! When you live here permanently for awhile, let's see how big a cheerleader you are then!

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catabisis
11/18/2015 07:45 EST

I'm with you. I absolutely despise Facebook. It is nothing but a drama-induced gossip column. It illustrates just how busy and nosy humans are capable of being.

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catabisis
11/18/2015 07:54 EST

Wilburo, I have been here two years and the honeymoon of this place is cracking. It will never make me miserable. I am flexible enough to roll with what comes, but this place is no paradise by anyone stretch.. It is one thing I deplore about Gary McMurrain at livinginthephilippines3. He and I had many conversations about this place. A lot of what he fed me was total BS. I still don't know why he thinks he has to be a White Knight for this place and these people.

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louisbecke
11/18/2015 07:55 EST

Visiting is great and no wonder anyone would want to live here. Problem is there is a world of difference between visiting here and living here. It's the third world with all it's problems. The Disneyland effect wears off then it's reality time. If you come to live here leave once a year. Go to Thailand or Singapore somewhere that's modern to de-compress or this place will get to you. Never get complacent with your security in jeeps or walking or talking to anyone from girls to cops to anyone in the Government. Never ever let anyone any girl no matter how cute engage you in conversation on the street. Too many scams. Young girl rape scams are rife here. When anyone ask you how long you have been living here it's not a friendly question but a probing question to see how smart you are on the BS they pull. Now I know it's not everywhere but follow the general rules.

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wilbur043
11/18/2015 08:37 EST

Hi catabis!
The Philippines isn't the worst place in the world to live but, it sure as hell ain't the Caribbean either!
Some foreigners live here out of necessity. It's where they can afford to live on their pension or Social Security. I don't have that problem. While I could not afford Saint Thomas, I sure as hell could afford some place like Belize. I live here by choice. I met and married a great girl who had 2 beautiful daughters. I am the only daddy they have ever known. I am a lucky man.
Having said that, I feel obligated to tell things they way they are in my opinion to people considering moving here. I tell all my friends who ask about living here, to come here and live for a year before deciding to live here permanently. This country isn't for everyone. I live in a very upscale subdivision but we still have problems with the developer and I have several foreigners leave the country after less then a year here. Hell, an American who lived here 3 years ago and just rented a house 3 weeks ago in my subdivision is already talking about leaving!
To sum it all up. I just think those of us who live here FULLTIME should tell it how it is based on our own experiences. I won't intentionally mislead people by being a cheerleader nor will I be overly negative either. I like it here but I knew before I moved here what to expect. I just try to share my experiences with others so they can make the same informed choice that I did. Isn't that why this forum exists?

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wilbur043
11/18/2015 08:37 EST

Hi catabis!
The Philippines isn't the worst place in the world to live but, it sure as hell ain't the Caribbean either!
Some foreigners live here out of necessity. It's where they can afford to live on their pension or Social Security. I don't have that problem. While I could not afford Saint Thomas, I sure as hell could afford some place like Belize. I live here by choice. I met and married a great girl who had 2 beautiful daughters. I am the only daddy they have ever known. I am a lucky man.
Having said that, I feel obligated to tell things they way they are in my opinion to people considering moving here. I tell all my friends who ask about living here, to come here and live for a year before deciding to live here permanently. This country isn't for everyone. I live in a very upscale subdivision but we still have problems with the developer and I have several foreigners leave the country after less then a year here. Hell, an American who lived here 3 years ago and just rented a house 3 weeks ago in my subdivision is already talking about leaving!
To sum it all up. I just think those of us who live here FULLTIME should tell it how it is based on our own experiences. I won't intentionally mislead people by being a cheerleader nor will I be overly negative either. I like it here but I knew before I moved here what to expect. I just try to share my experiences with others so they can make the same informed choice that I did. Isn't that why this forum exists?

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wilbur043
11/18/2015 08:37 EST

Hi catabis!
The Philippines isn't the worst place in the world to live but, it sure as hell ain't the Caribbean either!
Some foreigners live here out of necessity. It's where they can afford to live on their pension or Social Security. I don't have that problem. While I could not afford Saint Thomas, I sure as hell could afford some place like Belize. I live here by choice. I met and married a great girl who had 2 beautiful daughters. I am the only daddy they have ever known. I am a lucky man.
Having said that, I feel obligated to tell things they way they are in my opinion to people considering moving here. I tell all my friends who ask about living here, to come here and live for a year before deciding to live here permanently. This country isn't for everyone. I live in a very upscale subdivision but we still have problems with the developer and I have several foreigners leave the country after less then a year here. Hell, an American who lived here 3 years ago and just rented a house 3 weeks ago in my subdivision is already talking about leaving!
To sum it all up. I just think those of us who live here FULLTIME should tell it how it is based on our own experiences. I won't intentionally mislead people by being a cheerleader nor will I be overly negative either. I like it here but I knew before I moved here what to expect. I just try to share my experiences with others so they can make the same informed choice that I did. Isn't that why this forum exists?

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standupguy
11/18/2015 08:44 EST

wilbur043 - I started coming to the PH in 2011. I met my wife who was separated as I stated. Everything worked out for us no problemo. I lived in th PH for 10 months between 2012 & 2013. Then 8 months in 2014 returning for 6 months last October. I don't have your PH vintage, but a good idea of what life is like here. Davao is geographically the largest city in the world. I lived in a very nice modern 2 bedroom apartment in Matina a block from NCCC Mall. I worked out at Holiday Spa, and visited Samal Island. We didn't care for the urban environment so we bought our very nice 2 bedroom home in a section of Toril, Barangay Daliao called Prudential Village close to a nice beach. I am a swimmer. Our neighbors and community are great. I feel safe here. I have an excellent doctor. We are 1/2 hour from the Airport. So your experience of Davao is the opposite of mine. Your opinion of dating a separated woman is not the same as mine. My interest was in my wife who is now a Permanent Resident of Canada which has great summer weather. I extoll the virtues of Prudential Village, Davao is just a supply centre. Our digs in Matina were really nice though too dusty. My comments about Facebook were to alert people to the dangers therein from hooligan Pnay's. Davao is the safest city in the PH. But it is a sprawling and run down. In parts. I am not promoting it or Duterte who has been instrumental on eliminating crime. I am sure there are gated garrisons with armed guards in more attractive locations where you can hob nob with other westerners. OK, but not my style. By comparison to the South side of Chicago where I grew up, this sure beats that. I go to the beach each day with my Pinoy friends for a swim, food and drinks. This is my reality, not optimism or anamisric thinking. Sorry to hear of your very negative experiences. But is it the rule or the exception.

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louisbecke
11/18/2015 19:32 EST

it can be maddening here. When Filipino's do bad stuff to you or another foreigner these cheerleaders say it's us that must be doing something wrong or the same thing happens in the states. Just refer to my post about what the U.S. military thinks of this place.

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standupguy
11/18/2015 20:22 EST

louisbecke - Clearly I understand your bias. Is the US Military the expert source of information about the Philippine life? You think anyone who has something nice to say about the PH is a cheerleader? You think advise about how to proceed with getting an annulment and marriage to a separated pnay is "cheer-leading". You are one of the malcontents, and anyone who reads your posts understands that now. So say something nice about the PH or be quiet. Soothing yourself is a survival skill. There are lots of mistakes made by the US military internationally. I agree that shore leave will lead to a lot of trouble here and controlling access and egress is essential. But overstatement really detracts from the message. I'm a cheerleader for my life that my wife and I created in Prudential Village, Barrio of Daliao, Toril, Davao City. All the foreigners here same the same thing about this place. Other Canadians love it in Lyete or Bohol. If you take off your American Military sunglasses, you may see the brighter side.

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louisbecke
11/19/2015 18:07 EST

I'm just telling the truth about it here that's all and it is the truth. I have a different experience in Legaspi and Coron. Your all the way in Davao. You have a Mayor that doesn't put up with BS.

What I'm not going to do is paint it all rosy here and some newbie coming here thinking it's paradise and walk straight into a scam at the airport from some filipina he met online. A guy from another forum named Dave was warned by us about the girl he met online and he got kidnapped at the airport. he escaped 10 days later and text me so i went to Marakina city Manila to get him. I told him to get a taxi to Cubao Victory Liner. I met him there then took him to my home.

I always talk to U.S. servicemen that visit at the Starbucks on SBMA and they usually have a story of Filipino's recently trying to scam them or rip them off right on SBMA. Not their fault as you allude to.

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