not all immigration officer will ask a tourist traveller to show money enough to cover her stay abroad but there are cases when an immigration officer will ask. so for one who will be travelling, it is a kind of "what if i will be ask to show some cash".

the fastest way to send is through western union and you tell western union that the pay out should be in USD so when you meet her, she can just give the USD back to you.

if you trust her that could be easy. she does not need to spend the money anyway.

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Part of the problem is Western Union. I tried sending half of the amount through WU and they called me and lectured me about fraud for 20 minutes, then declined the transaction. Then I tried MoneyGram, got an email that I had to call them to complete the transaction, lied and told them I had personally met my friend already, and then they declined the transaction but wouldn't give me a reason.

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My wife made her first visit to me on a B2 (Tourist Visa) 7 years ago. She tells me that she only brought pocket money with her. Check out US Dept of State site yourself. We see no changes to the regs. The $2,500 is unnecessary. Having said that, reading immigration requirements can be confusing and overwhelming. You might ask her to cut and paste the web page address she found the $2,500 requirement on and send it to you. Either the page doesn't exist or you can help her come to a clearer understanding of what is says. Also, you might want to Google the Philippine Consulate and look into visitor's information. In either case, we see nothing with requires visitor's to bring a certain amount of money.

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There does seem to have been a rumor to the effect that 'show money' was needed to exit the Philippines. See this web page from 8 years ago. https://ph.answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AwrSbg4Bt_9UE3YAPhrBGOd_;_ylu=X3oDMTEzNmwxNWRxBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDNgRjb2xvA2dxMQR2dGlkA1RQUkRRMV8x?qid=20071015213446AAEsQMO

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To: J Garrison,

I'm married and have lived here in the Philippines for 12 years now. With that time spent here, I would say she is telling you the truth. Outbound immigration can do just about anything they want. But that does sound reasonable to me. I'm just not sure how much is reasonable though.

On the other side of the coin, it's hard to believe she has a valid visa for exit. Remember, that many of the gals here milking money from guys and some are even married with kids already!

If I was still in my native US and faced with this with a lady I know only online, I would not do it for all the tea in China. Too risky.

That's my honest thought and opinion.


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Thank you, Nephi. I feel like she is telling the truth but don't feel like I should send money to someone I haven't yet met in person. Especially not a couple of thousand dollars.

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I met my Filipina wife in Norway. We moved to Malaysia. Then she obtained a U.S. tourist visa, so we could travel to the States to visit my family.
We were not yet married on our first visit.
Once we arrived in the U.S., we were stopped by U.S. Immigration because they presume everyone wants to stay in the U.S. and you need to convince them otherwise.
A young single woman raises flags for U.S. Immigration.
Even though she had a valid visa, immigration has the authority to refuse entry, which they reminded us.
I had to tell Immigration the same information which helped obtain the visa in the first place (I showed intent to keep my lady with me when I moved her from Norway to Malaysia and I had reason not to want to stay in the U.S. since I had a job and domicile outside of the U.S.)
My point is that U.S. Immigration will presume that your young, single lady is planning to arrive on a tourist visa and then convert it to a fiance' visa, a green card, or over-stay illegally, all of which they want to avoid.
So be aware that even with the show money, she needs to be prepared to show why she has every reason to return to the Philippines.
The show money might eliminate one of the possible reasons U.S. Immigration could use to refuse her entry.
All that being said, wouldn't it have been easier to visit her outside of the U.S. ?

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Immigration isn't doing anything at the border. Mexicans have carte blanche.

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Sounds like BS. Theyre more concerned with her having a good reason to return, ie.family, property, than how much money she has in her pocket. All she has to do is show that letter and it will explain you will provide her needs. Sounds like a last minute scam. Careful.

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Yea, $2,000 is a lot of cabbage to just send to someone for that purpose even if it is legit.

I'd just use that money for airfare and come over here and meet that way.
That also gives you the opportunity to meet her family but to also see how they interact with each other and that will tell a lot. Like the other posters have said, it's just too risky unless you just hit the Lotto America or something-Hahaha..


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well no way would I send her the money especially not meeting her yet. $2500 over there would buy a few hectors of land or the equivalent of 3 years of salary for most. You will provide her with enough money to ignore you when she gets here. Sorry,Im fishing elsewhere

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Have you seen her passport with the visa? Have you seen the plane ticket you paid for. How did she get the visa in the first place? Sorry if i sound cynical but dont just believe everything anyone here tells you. Have you heard from us immigration? Have you informed them that she is coming? I hope i am completely wrong but my gut feeling is you have been conned, alongwith thousands of other nice trusting men in the West. As i said i hope i am wrong. Why not phoine immigration in us and ask. But i think she has told you this just before she comes so you cant check anything. I also wonder if she has been reported to western union and moneygram as a scammer and they have blocked her, just a thought, but it all sounds very fishy to me

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I don't think she was ever coming here antiqueron its all to get money. I would want to see proof before I did anything, can't just take peoples word for everything here as you well know

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I don't think she is coming either but if she really has a visa she has just got someone to pay her fare and set her up when she gets here. no way. And if she does come and has the audacity to ask for this without meeting him .What will she ask for when she has lured him into her den. My wife and I have been married for 5 years but we progressed slowly and we are very happy. if she had done this she would not be here.

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only in exceptional cases where the Phil Immigration Officer will actually ask a tourist traveller to actually show cash and so if you have booked the flight then just let her go to the airport and if she cannot go on board then so be it, if she can fly then you are lucky.

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My advice would be to get on a plane and go there yourself and take care of it in person.

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Good advise!!!

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Never send cash to someone you've not met in person at least once beforehand. I corresponded with my wife to be by letter for months in pre internet times, spoke with her by phone, exchanged hardcopy photos. Then went to PI to meet her and her family - several times. I then sent her money -$700 - to pay for our wedding preparations. We got married in Davao city in 1991. 25 years of bliss ever since!

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Nope, not a chance in he** I would pony up that kind of dough.

It seems pretty obvious to me. If it turns out to be other than that, then it'd have to be "other than that" for the next person.

Keep your money and fly there yourself.

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I was just there in the Manila Airport on Tuesday. As I was going through customs and immigration I saw no one pulling out money to show anyone. The only money was to pay for the Terminal Fee that none of these guys on here has bothered to mention. So instead of listening to these guys pump their ego, listen to the voice of experience. If no one was showing or paying any monies out of the ordinary, then what your woman is asking for is a scam. By far listen to everyone saying, go there first. I will definitely say, if she's a nurse there is no way she could come to the states for any extended stay. She would lose her job and that, if she's a nurse is the last thing she wants. So, don't send a penny, send yourself. If you go ask for credentials. She'd be proud to show them off.

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The young lady in question either did or did not fly out of Manila yesterday. So, please tell us what happened jgarrison.

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I am positive its a scam isn't she supposed to be flying today? My bet is he sent the money, now she will not turn up and tell him more stories to get more. If I am wrong great. Garrison get back to us and let us know what happened. Believe it or not we are all on your side mate, good luck

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Thanks to everyone for their replies.

Her flight left about an hour ago. She was not on it. Claimed immigration would not allow her onboard due to my not sending her the money she requested.

I went to an online dating site and traded emails with about 40 girls - 38 of whom asked me for money the first day. The other one did a few days later. Only one did not and we traded lots of emails over a month's time.

She told me she already had a B-2 visa due to a sick relative in the U.S. but she never got to come. So I purchased her a round-trip ticket since she said she wanted to come ($1500). Never asked me for money until 2 days before she was supposed to leave. And then she sent me at least 20 emails within a few hours time suggesting all kinds of ways I could get the cash to her. Didn't make sense to me that she needed it.

I'm afraid I am going to give up trying to meet someone online. I'll visit there later this year and maybe have better luck meeting someone in person. But I'm not real hopeful right now.

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I would still go knock on her door myself at the address the tickets were sent to. Contact the airline to see if they were cashed out or not. That will tell you everything you need to know.

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jgarrison, I hope you don't give up. A good Filipina is the most precious thing on the planet. Trust me, I have one.

I have read some wise dating advice written by Nephi about finding a wife in the Philippines, perhaps he would be willing to repeat himself.

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To J garrison,

I responded to one of your posts on this subject once before.

It can be a real zoo trying to find the "right" one--especially doing it online. This is such a poor and underdeveloped country that it's just too much of a risk. But still better you find out now that to blow a fortune on a scammer.

At the same time, don't give up. I've lived here in the island and happily married for 12 years now and would not change one thing.

When time permits, take a week or two and come over here and just have fun. Stay completely away from Angeles and any bar girls and you'll do fine.

The open public markets where meat and fish etc is sold as well as the large malls make great places to go wife hunting and will usually reap good results.

I'm gonna assume you are from or in the States. If so, select a good travel agent. I use to use LBS travel in San Francisco and they are part of the LBC freight company. Take a flight from LA or San Fran to Manila,

Once in Manila go to places like Cebu, Subic Bay, Baguio City etc and just have a good time. The vast majority of the gals here are decent and honest people and without any doubt make a wonderful wife.


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To CA Teacher..

Oh sure,now you're gonna make me into an online Dr. Phill. -- I charge by the hour! Hahaha. Just kidding..

But yea, you're right. A good Filipina woman is a treasure worth more than all the gold and silver in the world.


Nephi

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I think u are missing the whole point here. A good filipina will never ask u for money. Even if its legit and she really needs it. She would definately feel too ashamed to ask.
Please fellas I know lots of u are going to come back and say "but my wife is a good one"
Just work out the odds here.
If 90% of u guys have got "the perfect one", then that means that there are only 10% bad filipinas.
The math does not work out.
Also dont come back and say "oh ive been with her for 5 years and she has not done wrong by me"
Our time and their time is completely different. They will wait for up to 10 years before they execute their robbery.
Thats easy for them. Time means nothing to them.

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Thanks, Nephi

I'm going to try to get there in a couple of months. Cebu in one of the places I planned on visiting. I've also being looking at Subic Bay as a possible retirement spot. And BTW yes Im from the states - Texas.

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The best girls are from the provinces and the further south you go the friendlier they are. Alternatively if you know any guys at home who are married to Filipinas ask them about a relative or friend back in PI who may be interested. Or go along to the local Phil community group function and ask around

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"A good Filipina woman is a treasure worth more than all the gold and silver in the world." So true. Just beware of the bad ones. Online can be a bit like a lottery.

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I met my wife on the dreaded cherry blossoms site, had spoken to loads ands of girls, many of them asked for money, always had an emergency, but there is always the word no, simple. I had a lot of fun online, i met some really nice girls who not once ever asked for money or even hinted. I just thought of it as a lot of fun chatting up lots of very pretty girls, never ever sent a penny. When i first talked to my wife she was not what i thought i wanted, she felt the same but we just chatted and chatted and chatted, untill i decided i had to meet this girl after i met her that was it we were hooked on each other. There are so many really decent girls here, far more than you would think, the scammers are here and they are good at what they do, but just dont fall for any stories and never ever send money not for ANY reason. Don't give up, don't be in a hurry, don't believe everything you are told. If you should meet someone you really like, come here. Take them out have nice dinners together go sightseeing together, but just dont give money. And never tell them all the nice things you own in th US. Don't lavish money on them. They have like YOU not your wallet

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Poverty breeds crime. Greed breeds corruption. Both apply to Filipina women as well as immigration officials. Just meet her in the Philippines and eliminate the problem, regardless if it is her or immigration trying to scam you.

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Poor math. If I have a good one it is out of the 1,000 I talked to. That makes the percentage .001 for me.

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Well said Chance! I told my future wife if the only reason she wanted me was to go to the USA that I might even live in the Philippines and build a house. Her response was "I already have a house you don't need to build one". She had no clue if I had anything. I stayed in a pension house that cost $12.00 a nite and was not flashy and I would not pay a taxi too much I would get out if they tried anything. Well this nice girl who did not want anything was shocked when she walked into my 18,000 sq ft antique shop in Dallas and found out she would want for nothing. Garrison come see me and we will help you out>

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Traco good one

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@jgarrison,

Small world. I'm from California and really glad to be outa there years ago.

You'll enjoy the trip over here and just looking around is a trip as things are so very different here.

Use caution with the airline you choose. Avoid Air China and China Southern as their safety record is beyond bad.

You'll find some pretty good fares but even though they are a slight bit more, I ALWAYS use only Philippine Airlines. First because as a retired airline employee-safety is always number one with me. Also the service is good and even the food is good even if flying economy. Plus they offer non-stop flights to Manila and that beats having to stop and change planes in Seoul or Hong Kong.


Nephi..

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It's nice to have a flight straight thru to Manilai, but we prefer JAL or even United Airlines. There's more legroom, better food, and we get an hour or two to stretch our legs in Tokyo. We have a United Plus credit card and buy EVERYTHING on it - toilet paper, milk, Big Macs even our newst used car. We can usually earn two roundtrip tickets to Manila in three years of religious charging on our card. I paid $100 for taxes and airport fees on our trip last February. We also got priority boarding and a free bag. (I hope somebody at United is reading this and will give us a few bonus miles for plugging them! :)

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Antiqueron you are right. My percentage is way off, but I was just trying to make an example of the discrepency.

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Thanks for the advice, Chance. And Cherry Blossoms is the site I was using.

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Just don't take things too seriously cherry blossom can be a lot of fun, typical conversation:
Me hi
She hi
Me how are you?
She I have a problem
Me CLICK gone
Or
Me hi
She hi
Me how are you?
She i have ap roblem

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Me what's your problem?
Listen to all their tales of woe
Me how much do you need
She 20,000
Me i can only send 15,000
She ok that will help
Then i would get her name disappear for an hour then send her a fake name and mcn number. She will go to western union office and find out its all fake.
Cruel, mean, nasty? Yeah maybe but if more men did it they would soon give that one up. I tell you there are some really nice girls here, no need to rush.
I had rules if they didnt have a cam no chat, otherwise you dont know who or what your talking to. No internet cafe, or very rarely. Have an age preference and stick with it. The chat room is a lot of fun just to chat. But don't take it too seriously

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A sucker is born every minute, You are a real chump for even buying the airfare, what is wrong with going over there? She sound like a real con artist,
They are well-practiced at this and patient would write to you for months anticipating a pay-off. 'A fool and his money are soon parted' Just imagine how you will feel afterwards....

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agree no cam no chat

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All people make mistakes EcuadorDean and belittling them for it is not very nice. Let's try to help him and others to avoid them instead.

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thanks tlallen59 agree . Some of the things said in here people would not have the nerve to say in person

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@Ecuador Dean,
Perhaps your "words of wisdom" would be best received if they did not have a such a "kick a man while he is down" flavor.

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Wow, you guys are preaching my surmon.
We all have our moments of weakness and indiscretion, just use your head and be ever vigilant of scammers. These girls are pros.

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Yes I sent show money 2 years ago, and ,of course the girl never arrived....

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I really appreciate all the helpful folks on this site.

Lesson learned. I'm moving slower and more carefully now. I'm educating myself on culture and planning a trip there within a few months.

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Both my wife's parents and her aunty when they visited Australia on tourist visas were asked by Phil authorities to show evidence of how they intended to support themselves whilst abroad. This was some years ago and things may have changed now.

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Show money for a no show. What a surprise ;-) The next one will have a relative in the hospital who needs money to pay the bill.....

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Or their only caribou just died.....

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Not all Filipino women from province are good and not all from the City are bad either. It's sad that some Filipino women asked money to foreigners they met, It's sad that they think of it as a solution to their financial problems and to uphold their status in society. It ruins reputation of other Filipino women. They think all foreigners have money which is a very very wrong idea.

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The show money scam is not the same as a legitament financial need. I supported my future wife after the laundry business where she worked closed. She got another job at a hardware store, but she needed to quit there to travel to Isulan (Mindanao) to get her birth certificate for our marriage. I support my wife ever since and two destitute nieces of hers. Use good judgement to decide and recognize that the PH is a very poor country where almost 45,000,000 Filipinos live on 50 cents or less a day (sorry if this fact displeases anyone).

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jgarrison:

Thank you, Nephi. I feel like she is telling the truth but don't feel like I should send money to someone I haven't yet met in person. Especially not a couple of thousand dollars.

jgarrison - i hope your joking.

you can spend 6 months online chatting and skyping with these girls, they are all going to tell you the same thing - they are god-fearing, honest, loyal, etc...you are great, handsome, etc...they love you, yada yada ya...

get off the internet and spend a measly $1000 USD for a round trip ticket - spend 2 weeks here and meet 2 girls a day at the mall.

until then, don't even send anyone your name, address, photos or any personal information.

where in texas are you from BTW?

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In reply to the one who said: 'relatives visited Australia on tourist visas were asked by Phil authorities to show evidence of how they intended to support themselves whilst abroad." I have sponsored a few, and it was the Australian immigration that required evidence of support. This I gave by a statement to say I was covering costs while in Australia. None were asked at the Philippines end. I am sure that they realise that Australia will refuse a Visa issue if financial needs have not been proven.

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Hi, losgatosmike

I'm from San Antonio. I think the advice about traveling there is good. I'm going to avoid Manila. I'm thinking about visiting Cebu City.

-Jim

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Yes. I have since found out that a notarized letter of invitation where you state you will be responsible for all living and medical expenses is all that is needed.

I no longer speak with this girl. And in the future would go there to visit before attempting to bring a girl over here. But just FYI in case anyone else is asked and tempted to send 'show money'.

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Whatever you do, DON'T send ANY money no matter what!

Unless you see the person physically, it makes no sense?

They are very very experts at wearing you down and showing 'proofs' to what they say. Whatever it is, DON'T!

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Interesting thread. But that was it? You went from a plane ticket & requests for show money to 'I no longer speak to this girl'? There's, no doubt, something in between.

What good is a plane ticket to her? Could she cash it somehow? Did she? She just stopped corresponding? Put her name out there if she deserves it. I bet that will get some results. Won't likely get your money back, but it will put her on front street far & wide.

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