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Billsmith999
  6/13/2016 18:07 EST

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minocqua
  6/13/2016 20:25 EST

what common veggies from the
midwest of usa can be grown in phil ?

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JPH
  6/13/2016 21:10 EST

Moving quickly on the agriculture !!! What can be grown here depends on the climate you are living in / island etc. The colder areas produce the type of veggies we are used to ie. potatoes, tomatoes, lettuce, etc. Difficulties surround the humidity which breed disease / mildew and of course the myriad of insects ! On Luzon I believe the further North & clearly elevated the better, the same on Mindanao (O God did I say that !!). OK, Mindanao is considered the breadbasket of the PH certainly for fruits. For veggies you only have to look in a local Supermarket to determine what is produced locally and what is imported from other islands, size / cost. Milk is produced at commercial levels on another island but I forget which one... presumably because of better grass / foraging available.

I asked about straw & hay availability once but got blank looks even when I showed a picture of bales of straw/hay. Lots of nodding and finger pointing once it was understood but reality-to-date is that straw/hay are not common items at all. Probably use rice hulls as substitutes.

I know that at least one other contributor produces veggies in a more in-town environment ? Which Island ? So hopefully they will respond with more specifics.. Peppers seemed to be on the list along with other native crops which they were able to sell locally due to demand.

OK, that's added to this thread then ! Thanks in anticipation of input.

Billsmith999
  6/13/2016 21:18 EST

Baguio is good for fruits and vegetables and marijuana, but I suspect that marijuana will pretty much disappear under DU30 unless he sees the medical benefits.

seernai
  6/13/2016 21:21 EST

It's nice and cool there camp John is worth a visit it has some old hardware on display

seernai
  6/13/2016 21:24 EST

Where I live the soil is mainly clay but we have a Pappaya tree . 4 pine trees . A palm tree a small lemon tree an a Durian tree growing quite happily

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Billsmith999
  6/13/2016 21:32 EST

Yes, about 20 degrees F cooler than the rest of the Country on average, thus the fruits and vegetables.

GaryD
  6/14/2016 03:38 EST

Our main place is in Bataan Province, Luzon, and we have 3 hectres of mango behind the house. We grow mangos obviously but also calamansi, cassava, bananas, pepers, and a few other bits and peices like string beans. In our garden we have guava and cocoa. At our place on Negros we grow sugarcane and copra. You need to go to places like Bagio to find potatoes and strawberries.

JPH
  6/14/2016 18:51 EST

GaryD: Thanks for that indication.

chance2014
  6/14/2016 18:59 EST

Well that just about co vers agriculture in Philippines haha I get free bananas god some very small ones here now deeelicious. I am from UK and I can more or less eat all the fruit and veg I eat in UK all bought from local markets

charkee
  6/14/2016 20:06 EST

I posted on this a couple of days ago and looks like it didn't post.

I live in the city, but we have a decent sized garden. The soil is sandy fill dirt over old rice fields near Lago de Bay.

The climate is lowland tropical heat and humidity.

This is what we successfully grow.
Alugbati, kangkong, chinese cabbage or pechay, bananas, corn, sorghum during the dry season, lettice during the cool season only, long beans, patola, eggplant, tomatillos, okra, piña, sweet and hot peppers. grapes, and sugarcane.

What won't grow here:

Squashes, papayas, tomatoes, dry beans, tepary beans, cucumbers, sayote, broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, cilantro, and any other cool season crop.

Some of this is due to disease and the beans, tomatoes and squash all die within weeks of sprouting. Papayas die right when the first flowers show.

We usually don't have much insect problems, but watch out for the umang or those baseball sized snails.

We encourage frogs, but throw the cane toads into an empty lot. We have a dog that was almost killed by one and he has now gotten some skill on getting high but not enough for the convulsions.

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catabisis
  6/15/2016 06:57 EST

Bill, drugs will never disappear from here. If people like it, they'll figure out a way to get it.

Billsmith999
  6/15/2016 07:48 EST

catabisis ~ Of course drugs will never disappear here, neither will crime or corruption. Hopefully DU30 can put a big dent in all. The news sure is showing a lot of big drug busts lately.

JPH
  6/15/2016 19:42 EST

charkee: Thanks - useful comment with location & crop info'. I'm sure others will find it useful relative to where they are..

JPH
  6/17/2016 20:47 EST

OK - next Q ! Taxation / Incorporation / Operating Costs ? A moot point in the PH by all accounts & I'm sure the BIR would easily make-up any national deficit if it started making life difficult in the agri-industry !!! Anyway, apart from the large Plantation businesses and agri-industries most small farmers seem to manage to keep below the BIR radar :) SO, how have small farmers managed to rationalize their potential taxation situation survive ? ie. Incorporation I think is an expensive issue in the PH and I don't think there are useful alternatives for small business operators (?) so how has anyone come to terms with offsetting their property (land) taxes, seed/animal purchases, fertilizers, equipment, labour costs - the general operating costs etc. etc. ??? OR, does one 'take a hit' and simply deal with all operating costs as cash purchases/sales out of ones own pocket & if you make some cash after all the 'real-hard-cash' deductions then you are happy. Clearly farm operating costs can be high if you cannot offset.... Any replies can be under the name of 'Micky Mouse' or Donald Trump (sorry, the latter just came to mind !!) - LOL

seernai
  6/17/2016 20:55 EST

Pig Farming seems quite popular here , one of the British ex pats had a pig farm in the mountains overlooking mintal and he seems quite happy

LarryKar
  6/17/2016 21:31 EST

Yes pigs. Three years ago my wife and her GF convinced me to help buy a pregnant pig. Her friend did most of the work and already had a place to keep it. Long story short even after feed and wife's friend taking one piglet for pay my wife came out a few peso ahead. I can see it working. Better than yet another Sari Sari store on our block.

Billsmith999
  6/17/2016 21:37 EST

Yes, you can make a lot of money with a piggery here.

Billsmith999
  6/17/2016 21:47 EST

Yes, incorporation is probably not possible for small farmers due to the cost, so I almost have to assume that they stay under the radar and don't file anything with the BIR.

Billsmith999
  6/17/2016 21:50 EST

Buying a pregnant pig is always smart. A litter of 10 is worth about 200,000 pesos.

Billsmith999
  6/17/2016 21:52 EST

A well managed piggery of 100 heads can net 6 million pesos per year.

Billsmith999
  6/17/2016 22:12 EST

I guess my reply didn't post. It's always smart to buy a pregnant sow. A litter if 10 can yield 200,000 pesos gross. A well managed piggery of 100 heads can net 6 million pesos per year.

charkee
  6/17/2016 23:41 EST

My father in law owns 50 hectares. He pays no taxes, nor property taxes. He does have legal title and I understand that nobody pays taxes in the area. He farms with a single carabao and never goes hungry. But cash is always short or nonexistent. The kids didn't always have shoes or decent clothing growing up.

The ones that make the money are the wholesalers and those are the ones Duterte has said he will focus on. As in the USA and everywhere else its the wholesalers that are systematically bankrupting the small farmers.

The Philippines has a very large informal economy, I only get receipts from the big department stores. The mom and pop stores that abound pocket most of their cash.

If Duterte were to go after all these people outside of the matrix it may cause revolution or the economy tanking. Tax rates are far too high. Sales tax at 12%, income tax at 32%.

People don't want to pay taxes because. they see the massive corruption and their money vanishing.

You could try to get around the wholesalers, but don't get too big, don't get on their radar, they will go after you.

charkee
  6/18/2016 00:31 EST

I recall a certain hog farmer. He was from the USA and studied swine science in college. He eventually built up to a 200 sow operation. (That's a huge operation). His operation got so big that it was affecting the prices of pork in negative ways throughout the country.

Envy set in and the many small producers got together and offered the slaughter houses the choice of silver or lead. to not buy hogs from him.

Soon he had over a 1000 pigs that he couldn't feed as cash flow stopped. He fled back to the USA with only one suitcase of his clothes and whatnot.

Some others I have met have diversified and the wholesalers don't notice a truck load of this or that every once in a while.

I knew another one that bought a farm with modern equipment. His employees were stealing him blind. They'd steal parts off of his equipment and it could take months to get them replaced. He sold out after only 2 years.

He then bought a whore house outside the US military base. and made a lot of money and again this angered his competition who paid the local news to falsely advertise that his "ladies" had syphilis. Within the week he was shut down, penniless and looking like he had lived in a squatter's camp for months.

Just be careful with business of any sort, the crab mentality is dominant here and they are serious crabs.

LarryKar
  6/18/2016 00:43 EST

Grew up 1960's Southern Illinois. Most of my buddies lived on parents farm of 75 to 100 acres. Rich by Philippines standards but still dirt poor. I was a town kid and my Dad had a good job. But I lived through seeing it start to go by the 70's and all gone by the 80's. Those that could bought more and more acres, went into Ag related business, or left. Only been here 3 years but see the change coming. My wife tells of helping her Dad by getting a couple friends and threshing rice with bare feet now a guy down the road has 3 Kuboto threshing machines and does custom farming. Each machine probably puts 12 guys out of work but the owners hire him because the rice is out of the fields in hours not days. I worry about the displaced generation till they figure out dropping out in the 6th grade was a really bad idea. Really would not like to be DU30.

Billsmith999
  6/18/2016 01:32 EST

Yes, dropping out in the 6th grade is a necessity for many here. DU30 or anybody else in his position certainly have their work cut out for them.

Billsmith999
  6/18/2016 01:46 EST

Very well put charkee. I agree on all counts.

BertelBertelsen
  6/18/2016 03:18 EST

@charkee, i know one guy(dutch) who is involved in hydropower ,bannana's,drones, mining, and shops. i know another guy who owns huge plantations with teak and mahogony. i also know a couple of guys in the import of the fruit and vegetable business making a bundle. ofcourse they have problems with staff, but hey, so do i and my staff lives and works for me in europe. the only guy i know who is not succesfull is an american who wanted to open a pizzaplce in the philippines and did that on a intersection of roads with no parking space...geez...maybe europeans are more clever or maybe we work better together with the locals...

charkee
  6/18/2016 04:35 EST

@BertelBertelsen, all the cases above were Americans. I know one Dutchman whose wife was a gold digger and left him penniless and suffering from paranoia. I know another Dutchman that owns a very prosperous piano dealership in Manila. He sure didn't have much competition, some of the piano work I've seen here is so bad that its scary, which is why he charges more than what the piano techs charge in the USA; he does good work.

So is that import/export guy the one who handles the onions I see in the palenques that come from Amsterdam?

Filipino onions are the golfball sized ones. The can't get the size here because onions require long days of the non-tropics to make good bulbs.

LarryKar
  6/18/2016 04:41 EST

Charles: interesting about the onions. Is that also why you can't find a tomato bigger than a golf ball?

charkee
  6/18/2016 04:45 EST

The reason for the small tomatoes is the larger tomatoes require cooler nights to set fruit and grow, whereas the cherry types are able to take the heat better.

The reason why they pick them so green is that if you let them ripen on the vine, disease become a problem.

LarryKar
  6/18/2016 05:04 EST

Charkee: thanks that explains it. Sure do miss my Iowa tomatoes. Funny what you really really miss.

poochewer
  6/18/2016 14:10 EST

Hey bill I find it amazing how you seem to know many things about many subjects.do you read alot of paperbacks by some chance?

JPH
  6/19/2016 19:15 EST

charkee: Basically summed it all up there ! I think Sales Tax was one area of increase Duterte had mentioned... One just goes in ever-decreasing circles in this place for sure until you disappear up a pigs whistle !

JPH
  6/19/2016 19:41 EST

LarryKar; Unfortunately that's the history of Agricultural Revolutions in any country where even a minor upgrade in mechanical technology puts people out of work - that applies to all modernization of course. Commercial farming has been creeping-in for years in the USA/EU etc. with few families continuing farming once the husband / leaseholder died... Children who wished to continue in farming go to Ag School and become Farm Managers if they are lucky in a more competitive system. Simply very hard work for little return and the Estates which held the land decided to farm the land again in large blocks with more modern machinery with more efficiency. When my cousin 'retired' from farming in the UK many years ago he simply began being a Broker for straw/hay/ animals etc. for people he knew which then just increased in demand. He made a damned-site more money doing that (along with the usual fringe-benefits ) than being a Farmer which he was also good at. Agricultural production is a World-wide business nowadays - NB: Illegal Importation of rice to PH because PH agriculture cannot produce enough & is more expensive than imports. Modernisation of rice harvesting may close the gap...and/ or increase the profits of the Wholesalers & Retail outlets (eg: Walmart, ASDA, Tesco, etc.). But, lets not get into the EU Common Agricultural Policy (CAP), subsidies & intervention prices as it increases blood pressure - LOL!

CAteacher
  6/19/2016 19:46 EST

"A pig's whistle", eh? I love the expression. Can't wait to use it myself! Thanks.

JPH
  6/19/2016 19:52 EST

charkee: Yes - colder temps - I would function a lot better if I could get a lot cooler as well !!! I find that with the tomatoes being picked green they have a tendency to go rotten before turning more red. I suppose I should be doing 'Fried Green Tomatoes' instead...

charkee
  6/19/2016 20:11 EST

Having lost my farm in the mid 80's, I believe I'm somewhat qualified to comment. It is the food cartel that has and is systematically bankrupting farmers world wide. I'ts been going on since the 1950's. The food cartel knows the exact production cost to the penny.. They lie to the farmer regarding "overproduction". Often when a farmer goes bankrupt, one of the food giants moves in and takes over, even the original farmer is sometimes hired to "manage" the same farm he lost. Yet somehow the food giant doesn't lose money. As far as mechanization causing unemployment, that is so, but do we want to return to an agrarian society where 80% of the people are confined to walking the rows with their hoes? The very reason we have the massive advances in science and technology is because untold millions have been freed of the drudgery of walking the rows. Technology has grown to the ability of one worker performing the work a 1000, Technology can actually produce more than the needs of humanity. (if it were not for corruption) So do we hang onto the old paradigm that all people must work till they are too old to enjoy life anymore? How about using technology to free mankind of the dept merry-go-round? No more debt slavery?

JPH
  6/19/2016 20:34 EST

CAteacher; You're welcome !! A rather old fashioned joke-term now & probably limited to the rural community.. probably many others around from different places which can raise a smile :)

Billsmith999
  6/19/2016 21:11 EST

JPH ~ What is the term and what does it mean?

danielbaxter
  6/20/2016 05:25 EST

Rice seems to grow pretty well here.
;-)

seernai
  6/20/2016 05:36 EST

Well it would do wouldn't it were in Asia

poochewer
  6/20/2016 18:04 EST

The USA Has consistently been the world's largest producer of rice. They are not in Asia.

JPH
  6/20/2016 19:12 EST

Billsmith999: The Pigs 'squeak' is it's curly tail-backside....

Billsmith999
  6/20/2016 19:40 EST

Thanks JPH. Don't know why they kill the pigs at 4 am here but it is a lot louder than a squeak. The must be a more humane way to do it. A cheap silent injection would be nice.

CAteacher
  6/20/2016 21:35 EST

Bill, I wonder if the "squeak" is what comes out of the other end of the animal on happier days. (Just a thought. I'm getting to the age where I squeak pretty often myself.)

Billsmith999
  6/20/2016 22:35 EST

Yeah, me too CAteacher ;-)

seernai
  6/21/2016 00:41 EST

Actually the worlds largest rice producer is China

seernai
  6/21/2016 00:58 EST

Second largest Producer of Rice is India the US does not come in the top 10 Sorry but I thought that it have been obvious

poochewer
  6/21/2016 01:02 EST

You are wrong it's now India then Thailand then America

poochewer
  6/21/2016 01:05 EST

Why do i have to keep proving things to you? I think i know the answer to that. Here's the link.
http://www.worldstopexports.com/rice-exports-country/

charkee
  6/21/2016 04:09 EST

Sadly, the USA was the world's agricultural giant, it now imports more food than it exports according to USDA stats. It's not because it can no longer do so in physical term, but when catfish can be raised in Vietnam and shipped to the USA cheaper than what American farmers can produce it shut down the American catfish industry.. Asparagus can be grown much cheaper in Peru and shipped to the USA than American farmers can produce it.

That was the real reason behind the so called Irish potato famine, Irish farmers could grow grain and produce much cheaper than the English to the point it was more profitable to sell to England and let the Irish starve.

Free trade was never fair trade.

LarryKar
  6/21/2016 04:16 EST

Charkee: Not disputing, as inspite of persistent rumors I was not there, but always thought the cause of the Irish Famine was a disease that caused the potatoes to rot in the ground.

charkee
  6/21/2016 06:09 EST

@LarryKar, I was taught that also in Agriculture school, but an in depth study will bring out the truth of this history. During the Irish potato famine records show record food imports from Ireland into England.

The event was premeditated genocide of the Irish people, something that has been blacked out of the history of the English speaking world.

trappedinhell
  6/21/2016 06:26 EST

@Charkee Not to intend to go off topic & political but what you said is true about history taught in schools - it's "tailor made" by the govt. interest for the students. Mold them while they're young. Irish Famine is not unique. Same thing in Africa were Free Trade force those farmers to plant agro products that didn't benefit the country's inhabitants.

LarryKar
  6/21/2016 06:27 EST

Thank you charkee. Now I have a subject to pursue. I was remembering what was taught in school. Nothing really new under the sun when it comes to the 1% vs the rest of us is there?

seernai
  6/21/2016 08:12 EST

Sorry I'm not I checked this morning on Google

seernai
  6/21/2016 08:17 EST

Check out www. world ranker. com

seernai
  6/21/2016 08:19 EST

www.worldranking top ten producers of rice

seernai
  6/21/2016 08:22 EST

Nothing personal ok that is what he site said its like most of these surveys check out 10 different sites you will get 10 different answers

JPH
  6/21/2016 18:34 EST

charkee: Interesting. We were also taught it was the Potato Famine - aligned with the politics / taxation & large landowners which triggered the great exodus of Irish to the US. So, multiple hits...

JPH
  6/23/2016 20:43 EST

Billsmith999: Actually a big sledgehammer and some rice to get the pig to stick its head out of the transportation cage seems to work quite well... followed by 'sticking'. I had suggested that the rice be laced with brandy so the pig would 'die happy' which caused some amusement. No electric tongs or sympathy around here. PH is a cruel place...

BertelBertelsen
  6/23/2016 21:34 EST

at least a pig has mors space an d more fun here during live.

Kenai557
  6/25/2016 07:57 EST

The reason for. The Irish potato famine was the seed potatoes used. If the seed potatoes used are from the same field year after year it will cause a blithe. One bad seed potato can wipe out a whole crop
That is why seed potatoes from a completely different area are used each year.

Dutchmen2003
  7/17/2016 20:58 EST

Dutch expat in the Philippines. @JPH, @ charkee. @ all readers about Agriculture in the Philippines. In 2004 we bought 5 hectares farm land. The property is divided in two portions. Part one (A-lot) is about three hectares. Part two (B-lot) is about 2 hectares. Living in Labo – Camarines Norte the fertile soil and suitable climate are the main reasons why agro-farming is very profitable. The farm includes Banana, Guyabano, Kalamansi, Magic fruit and other fruit trees. What will grow? kangkong, pechay, bananas, corn, string beans, patola, eggplant, tomatoes, okra, pineapple, bell peppers, hot peppers. grapes, squashes, papayas, cucumbers, sayote, broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, coriander. The B-lot contains Housing with 2 bedrooms, kitchen and toilet. Multipurpose Hall with toilet/shower, kitchen, storage room and bunk house. We do pig farming. There is a Conventional swine house with 10 pens and storage room and an organic swine house. (Pig farming is profitable.) Greetings, Peter – Dutch expat. Please read the following links: http://real-estate-guide.philsite.net/taxes.htm http://www.doingbusiness.org/data/exploreeconomies/philippines/registering-property/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labo,_Camarines_Norte http://howomg.com/wiki/bagasbas-beach/

Dutchmen2003
  7/17/2016 22:18 EST

Dutch expat in the Philippines. @ all readers “Agriculture in the Philippines”
Perhaps I can give you some photo information about living in the Philippines. Please browse my website at https://www.flickr.com/photos/bagasbas/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bagasbas/albums/72057594131583649/page1 Greetings, Peter – Dutch expat

charkee
  7/17/2016 22:43 EST

Dutchmen, how much was the 5 hectare? Are those photos of Kinderdijk? Really nice photos and a lot of them. You really capture the exoticness of the Philippines really well.
Leuk. It must be cooler there if you can grow cabbage and broccoli.

Dutchmen2003
  7/18/2016 00:02 EST

Dutchman in Philippines. @ charkee. Today the price per hectare of bare farmland (no housing or improvements) is about one million pesos. We bought the farm in 2004. At that time the Euro was very strong. Photos were taken near Amsterdam in 2000 or so. Yes with taking pictures of real life in the Philippines I like to express how it is living over here. Cabbage and broccoli will grow under black shading net. Plastic greenhouse is too hot. Irrigation is with plastic flexible hose and dripper system. Temperature is still about 30Celsius. Humidity is very high. Greetings Peter- Dutchman in Philippines.

Dutchmen2003
  7/18/2016 22:31 EST

Dutch expat in the Philippines. @ JPH @ all readers Agriculture in the Philippines. Magandang umaga. (good morning) MILK. Yes there is cattle farming in the Ph. However around Labo C.N. this is mostly for meat production. For Cattle farming and milk production pls. Google “Masbate cattle milk” or go: http://www.ivanhenares.com/2014/11/ranch-tourism-in-masbate-be-ranchero.html More cattle farming is in Davao. Pls. Google: Davao dairy. Or visit: http://whatisindavaocity.blogspot.com/2013/06/dairy-best.html When you are in Laguna Los Banos please visit the University of the Philippines compound. UPLB veterinary has cattle farming, milk and cheese production. Visit the carabao dairy farm and drink fresh carabao milk. Next to the UPLB compound visit IRRI (International Rice Research Institute) Google: IRRI or go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Rice_Research_Institute STRAW & HAY. These products are unknown in the Ph. There is plenty of rice straw. After palay (rice) harvest farmers burn rice straw in the fields. A real waste of money. Please read more http://ecop.pbworks.com/w/page/18520738/Paper%20Making%20from%20Rice%20Straw Rice straw is very useful in your manok garden (chicken coop) You can get rice straw for free from the field during harvest. Keep in mind that rice straw is wet during the rainy season. Visit the local palengke (market) to buy vegetables. If you want to grow your own crop buy seeds from East West http://www.eastwestseed.com/philippines/en/products/list.php?SHOWALL_1=1 Harbest Agribusiness Corporation sells Eco-farming seeds. http://www.harbest.com.ph/ You will find Potatoes at the palengke. (market) For more info go: http://www.pcaarrd.dost.gov.ph/home/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=576&Itemid=450 Greetings from Peter a Dutch Expat in the Philippines. Maraming salamat.

ACEPoolPlayer
  7/24/2016 08:52 EST

LarryKar,
I grew up on a large poultry farm in the Catskills in the 60's and 70's. We had 50,000 layers. My parents were very successful until the mid 70's. Same old story.... Thank god they got out of the business in time.

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