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seernai
8/3/2016 19:01 EST

Yesterday I witnessed a grown man Crying because He has lost everything I'm not going to mention His name or His Nationality, Basically He met Filipina on line and after 5 years he decided to come to the Philippines to live with Her He thought he was safe as she is in her 40s and is a professional she is a licenced Pharmacist ,He sold his house in his own country before coming Here and he had planned with her to open up their own pharmacy well he gave her all his money around one million pesos to set up the business but guess what she never did instead she has kept his money and will not give him anything he has already overstayed by a few days he has no money at all, he is still too young to claim his pension so he is in a bad situation Moral of the story if you have no pension when you come to the Philippines or anywhere out of your own country do not give all your money to anyone always keep an emergency fund to get you back home if things go wrong , This is so wrong guys but it happens so please be aware don't get scammed ,

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charkee
8/3/2016 19:15 EST

This is so sad. I have a good friend that brought his Filipina wife to the USA, went through all the immigration hassles and after 3 weeks together she tried to murder him in his sleep. She ran and is in the USA somewhere under a new name. He later told me about her behavior once she was living with him. It sounds like she was mentally ill. He never noticed it while they were cyber dating and he went to Cebu and married her and didn't notice anything amiss.

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CAteacher
8/3/2016 19:20 EST

Thanks Seernai. There are many who need to read this story and take it quite seriously. The head must rule the other parts of our bodies, even our hearts. ;-)

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seernai
8/3/2016 19:24 EST

Yes normally you hear about stories like this about guys who hook up with younger women in their 20s so it just goes to show it does not matter how old the woman is, also even if he tried to file a complaint to the police or immigration as he did not get a receipt from her he has no proof that he gave her the money in the first place so who are the police going to believe ? The Filipina every time so once again Guys cover your backs and think with your head

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CAteacher
8/3/2016 19:33 EST

Just to keep some perspective on the subject of Filipina wives. I have a 'happily ever after' marriage. At least happy for the last ten years, and my Filipina has plopped $40K that she has earned here in the US into our house, and she wants to rent it out for the first two years we are in the Philippines just to give us something to come back to in case I "weenie out" of the cultural experience of living in the Philippines. "Good Happens". (I need that on a bumper-sticker)

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seernai
8/3/2016 19:33 EST

Thanks CA Teacher I thought I had to warn he guys out there who think that everything is so wonderful , thankfully most Ladies are genuine but there has to be a reality check here that there are women here who are ruthless and will take the shirt off your back if they could

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Spruik
8/3/2016 20:04 EST

Even if the lady is sincere, and has all the good intentions, if you go in business with your wife and/or buy a house together you are totally at the mercy of your wife.

Relationships can and do go south, and then you have no recourse.

Then you can only walk out. If you're lucky you can go back 'home', leaving your working life's saving behind.

And... it can happen without forewarning.

I've been scammed big-time. Twice. That's not counting some thieving girlfriends before that.

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Spruik
8/3/2016 20:09 EST

To add... I also had nice girlfriends in Philippines, and one actually repaid her loan.

My friends were very surprised... lol.

Later I met the same girl again in Australia (living on her own), she told me she paid money to some guy for a marriage arrangement to obtain PR visa.

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draks
8/3/2016 20:20 EST

I have been criticised in the past for being negative about the philippines and it's people . But this story is not uncommon unfortunately. The poor guy trusted a thief basically. A very good friend of mine has lost everything he owns in uk. Houses, boat money to a 45 year old filipino woman who along with her 'other' American bf have hacked his email and bank accounts to the point that he has had to sell everything to pay back the massive debt he has now. She has plundered several other guys accounts as well from what I hear. Police? Don't do anything.
A lot of us are with really good women that support us are loyal faithful. But there are just too many scammers here. That's why I keep saying to new comers 'have an escape plan ready' never burn all your bridges at home rent your house out it could be your only hope if you have to return. NEVER EVER TELL 'ANYONE YOUR FINNIS WORTH' not anyone. Think I am too cynical? I have been around filipinas since 1989 I have seen some of the horror stories first hand. One filipina I knew had numerous foreign b f's one paid for a big house to be built the other remaining b f's paid her to have that very same house built she owned other properties she rented out and also a very busy gas station . That poor guy is going to have to plead with his family to pay for his flight home and to keep him until he finds a job.
It's just a way of life here we are rich foreigners with an unending money supply.
Those of us who are with a good filipina sought thank god for our luck and good fortune. Because it was luck believe me.

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draks
8/3/2016 20:28 EST

Actually as just said before one of the big pitfalls is buying a house and a business with your wife/gf. She might not be a scanner but marriages/relationships do break down unfortunately, and as said you have no recourse to that property or business. Again always have an escape plan. And enough money somewhere to either go home or move on and settle somewhere else. Money is god here.

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mjajr09890
8/3/2016 20:47 EST

Attn: draks Good advice but I'm curious about FINNIS in your comment NEVER EVER TELL 'ANYONE YOUR FINNIS WORTH'. Please clarify the word FINNIS. I've never heard of it. Thanks.

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mjajr09890
8/3/2016 20:47 EST

Attn: draks Good advice but I'm curious about FINNIS in your comment NEVER EVER TELL 'ANYONE YOUR FINNIS WORTH'. Please clarify the word FINNIS. I've never heard of it. Thanks.

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mootpoint20
8/3/2016 20:54 EST

With what little knowledge I have, remember there are a host of indicators one can spot. i.e. Immediate requests for telephone, email, skype, information, separate from normal communication or visitation should put up antennas. Those gals are not 'lone-rangers, either.

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Spruik
8/3/2016 21:07 EST

Draks would mean EVERYBODY, including wife & child. Yet in a sincere relationship there should be no basis for withholding that.

If you live in rented property, you may not get something according to your standards. Plus possible landlord hassles.

A man wants to be creative and not all men want to spend time in the bar/pub. Nobody is going to renovate a rented place.

Many men hate condominiums.

In this respect the Philippines is very oppressive, not everybody's cup of tea.

Love should be complimentary to a man's needs, but he should not be totally reliant on love alone..

Mootpoint, you are soooo right, but most of us have to learn that the hard way. We need to get to know a person by his/her attributes and not just rely and what we're told. And trust must be earned, not demanded.

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draks
8/3/2016 21:25 EST

Spruick I understand 100% what you are saying. And my reference to not telling anyone is for a new relationship. But I still would not tell anyone else of my financial status not at any time. And yes I would always have an escape plan and enough money somewhere to finance it. I have always said rent first for at least a year two preferably, first you may hate living here, second you may hate the area you have chosen and thirdly it gives you a bit of time to see if you are completely compatible or not. Trust has to be earned both ways, more so in the Philippines .

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draks
8/3/2016 21:27 EST

Finnis should have read financial so sorry did proof read it oooops

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draks
8/3/2016 21:38 EST

A clever girl never asks for money she will steer you into offering it to her then if you complain about the amount of money you are sending she will say I never asked you for money you offered it. And you know what? She is right. Haha

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EdGuerero
8/3/2016 22:56 EST

I don't know if the philippine government can help you or maybe you can go to your embassy.

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mjajr09890
8/4/2016 03:33 EST

Attn: draks Thanks, now I get it....Salamat!

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mjajr09890
8/4/2016 03:33 EST

Attn: draks Thanks, now I get it....Salamat!

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trappedinhell
8/4/2016 06:15 EST

@seernai I hope you're not referring to Bob Kotan (in YouTube). That guy did it to himself. He was still not in the pension age when he came here. Had a kid with his live-in filipina gf who was working while he bum around. Beat her up constantly, that's why the girl left him. Commenters on that video say he was a scammer too.

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seernai
8/4/2016 06:19 EST

No this guy has only been here since May so nothing to do with the guy you mentioned who until you mentioned him I have never heard of ok

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seernai
8/4/2016 06:19 EST

No this guy has only been here since May so nothing to do with the guy you mentioned who until you mentioned him I have never heard of ok

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seernai
8/4/2016 06:19 EST

No this guy has only been here since May so nothing to do with the guy you mentioned who until you mentioned him I have never heard of ok

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seernai
8/4/2016 06:33 EST

There seems to be an increase in expats becoming victims of attempted scams one common scam is some women have reported guys of assault and tried to get them deported just because they have not given in to demands for money , fortunately in this area at least the police and immigration are starting to take notice of what is going on and investigate instead of taking the woman's word for any alleged allegation ,

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draks
8/4/2016 07:07 EST

I have been around filipinas for about 25 years now it's not new, its been going on for years all sorts of scams one english guy was married to a filipina his wife's daughter reported him for rape which St that time was the death sentence, and he was on death row. the ex husband demanded a lot of money from the

guy and said he would have the charges dropped but he didn't have any money. he was not a rich man. after a while the daughter

admitted to the police her father put her up to it and the English guy was eventually released. Can't remember what happened with the wife and daughter tho. Another nasty scam is, a very young girl will ask if she can use your shower cos they don't water. You let her shower then the police burst in accuse you of child abuse or pay a massive amount of money how do you get out of that one? Been going on for years.

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lblampman
8/4/2016 07:17 EST

Ye Gads! It's starting to sound as bad as the US!

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draks
8/4/2016 09:14 EST

I feel really sorry for that guy he put all his trust into a woman who totally abused that trust and has now ruined the poor man's life. It would be easy to call him a stupid idiot, but it seems he was blinded by love. Maybe if he had joined expat exchange he might have been a little bit more careful who knows. Unfortunately he is not the only one to fall foul of a ruthless uncaring filipina woman. Luckily many of us found a good one. But as I said before its pure luck. It's extremely difficult to know if a woman is sincere or not especially online. I hope he gets home hopefully he has a supportive family

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lovinlife
8/4/2016 12:53 EST

Hi all, longtime reader here.
I am, happily married to a Filipina for almost 7 years now. We are always on the same page regarding all of our financials. I thoroughly trust her with our financials with little oversight by myself. When we relocate there permanently, we will leave our fully paid for house as a rental should either of us not be able to settle in there. I will also have a stash of cash, known and accessible only by me. As the Philippines is not always friendly to it's foreigners, (for many reasons) and as a older man who has worked all my life, I feel I deserve this bit of insurance against being broke, destitute, or even worse. I also realize that a Filipina's family's may be able to affect ones happy retirement there.

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bagacayboy
8/4/2016 13:36 EST

@ loveinlife, i agree with you , we have properties in pinas and in europe . My house is rented and also our properties are rented in pinas . I already made it clear to the "family", that they have nothing to expect from " US ". My wife , i met her 17 years ago, a widow with 2 childeren,, she knew how hard i worked for that . She is 100 % one with me and will never harm me, becoz she understood her life before..
were going to settle next year for retirement( at 55 ) . I told her my assets will go to her childeren after we passed away and not to my family. I have a wonderfull wife and can tell that we never argue or fight and enjoy life . In the beginning of our relationship ( 9 years ago) , she was mabilis with the pera, but now no more. What counts for her is us, I know i'm lucky becoz i found a good wife who understood longlasting happy life and not temporay like the scammers and other " fancy" girls.

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charkee
8/4/2016 19:55 EST

@Lovinlife. I have a fully paid home back in the USA that I'm renting out. I'm not making nearly the money I thought. I'm paying more than one half of my income to taxes, insurance, management and repairs than I get to keep for my own.

I've been married to a Filipina for 3 years and I trust her completely. We are on the same page as you say. She makes sure that I pay the bills and she is careful to stay out of debt. When this current set of renters move out, I plan to sell my home and find a place in the probinsya where we can enjoy clean air and food.

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seernai
8/4/2016 20:09 EST

Hi good morning everyone As I said most Ladies here are genuine but like anywhere else in Asia you have to be extra vigilant it is easy to get carried away with the moment until disaster strikes I do know that the genuine ladies get angry with these other women because it makes all Filipina women look bad , yesterday that guy could not even get into the house he paid for because of that woman I mean what the hell is wrong with some of these women

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draks
8/4/2016 21:55 EST

Seenai I suspect this woman had this all planned from the very beginning. Most men i have met here go and live In their wife's province not always a good idea. Of course there might be a lot more to this story than he has told you. But taking his story at face value he has been well and truly taken. He will never see that money again it's gone. Inexperience on his part has cost him dearly. As with my friend who chose to totally disregarded my warnings. It's terrible to watch a man lose everything that he has worked all his life for.

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seernai
8/4/2016 21:58 EST

Your most likely correct but I think something is going to be done as the guy has a paper trail from here back to his country

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TeeJay4103
8/4/2016 22:07 EST

The gentleman who lost everything obviously was a trusting soul and trusted the wrong person. His kindness was repaid with treachery and the outcome is indeed sad.

Research into a part of the world you wish to visit with regard to lifestyles, cultural etiquette and legal do's and don't would seem to be common sense as well as the possibility of being scammed by some very smooth talker.

I have an old acquaintance who wished to make a life in the Philippines at the age of 59. He had been laid off from his job and was not able to access his 401K until the age of 62 without paying high penalties for doing so, though he insisted that his cash on hand would be sufficient if spent according to his planned budget until he could access his retirement funds without penalty.

He had been talking with a woman in her early forties in the Cagayan area of Luzon. She had never been married and had no children. He told us the family had a large successful plantation style farm and that two of the 3 siblings were lawyers and the other worked as a policeman in the area and per him the family was financially secure with the siblings sharing a new 3 story home away from the farm and owning their own vehicles and managing the farm. She was an educated administrator at a local college and had held the position for nearly 20 years.

After he arrived we began to show him around town including the small piece of land he had purchased near us through my wife for his retirement home.

We noticed quickly that he seemed to want to show off his cash to locals. When paying for food, groceries, coffee, etc. he would pull out his wallet withdraw the money inside and flash the wad for all to see. We once again told him that this was a very very bad idea and in doing so he had now made himself a mark for a thief or pickpocket that may have been watching. He laughed it off and continued flashing cash and even laying hundred dollar bills on the table in a coffee shop for all to see? My wife told him point blank that he was acting stupid and with his behavior she expected he would be broke or dead in about six months if that. I laughed and he was taken back a bit, but he put the money away.

We then took him to the Wilcon home center so he could look at what was available to finish out his new home. We stopped to look at generators and a few sales people came to assist. He had discussed with us having a shared generator backup for simple things like lights, fans and the refrigerator not to include AC usage. A 4000 watt generator would have been more than sufficient for this and less costly to purchase and operate. We were surprised when he went to the largest permanent mount gen they had and he started telling the salespeople how he only wanted the biggest and the best and price was no object. Wow. At that point it seemed he was more interested in bragging about his unlimited funds than in actually costing items for his budget. I told him point blank that I was not interested in sharing the cost and to the employees he replied, no problem I'll pay for it all!! Ok. This behavior continued throughout the store and while I was a little surprised my wife said he was nothing more than a braggart and a fool and was no longer interested in helping him. Now we have tension between my wife and I.

We then took him to the LTO only to find that new rules would not allow him to obtain a driver's license while here on a tourist visa, at least at the local LTO office. So on to a trip to the SM mall where he could continue shopping for his new home. We went to the appliance store where once again sales people followed us while he went to the largest stainless steel side by side commercial frig in the store and spent much time telling the sales people that he only wanted the best and the biggest and money was NO object. He did the same with the kitchen oven / cook-top, range hood, stereo system and quite literally the largest flat screen TV in the store. Like most newbies he seemed to bask in the attentions of the young ladies working at the stores and the sly smiles from those in the mall, many time telling the salesladies about the huge home he was going to build while he traveled SE Asia. At this point my wife was thoroughly disgusted with him and told me he was a fool and wanted nothing more to do with him and I could show him around myself, she would not be going.

This all occurred within about a week of his arrival. Next was a pre planned trip to northern Luzon. My wife had chatted with his new girl friend on the phone and social media and he and she both insisted we go with him to meet her parents and family and show solidarity and support for her potential husband. She said that her parents were informed and hoped we would come to speak with them. He said that he would pay the airfare, transportation and hotel costs, we agreed with my wife saying she was doing it for the girlfriend and not for him.

So off we go to meet the successful family of lawyers in their new 3 story home and visit the successful family plantation and meet the family.

We arrived and checked into a fairly nice hotel with an in house restaurant that provided some good food and and comfortable room with no window. His girlfriend and her very talkative brother arrived in their nearly new Toyota Fortuner. We sat down for a bite to eat at the hotel restaurant and listened to her brother talk, non stop. While she was what we expected and my wife and she seemed to take a liking to one another, it turns out that the family as a whole was not as described.

The two brothers were not lawyers. The talkative one at the age of 27 had been supposedly going to school for about 8 years and had a minor degree in business and had not used it to provide any income and he continued on his new quest to become a lawyer. He had literally borrowed his sisters life savings to further his quest for non used degrees. The other brother was driving a tricycle and with a wife and two children was barely staying afloat. Apparently his career as a policeman had either never happened or was over for some reason.
The 3 story family home was an old converted building in town with the top floor housing all the siblings and their children in three small bedrooms. The lower two floors were converted into four small apartments with two being occupied by other family members. Another apparent misunderstanding though we can say that the girlfriend and the family members aside from the scamming talking brother were nice and friendly and we enjoyed visiting with them.

The scamming brother story deepened as we talked and visited. We found out that this black sheep had not only "borrowed" his sisters entire life savings for his many losing ventures, but he had also talked his family into mortgaging the family farm to purchase a water filter plant and the Toyota Fortuner. The income for the bills at the home were paid for by his girlfriends job as an administrator and the family was essentially broke and in debt up to their ears with the family farm in jeopardy because of the poorly planned building of the water plant with a water source that could not supply the needs of the plant. Wow

We then piled into the Fortuner to meet the family, The trip was about 40 minutes out of town to the family farm. We were greeted by the wonderful and kind elderly parents and a few more relatives. The new water plant was attached to the parents house!! The son's idea. There were a few people in the rear of the plant discussing the cost of digging a deep well to provide needed water, but the money well was nearly dry. The business being so far out of the way was also in need of funds to purchase a delivery vehicle and water containers. The facility was being run by a less than happy family member who was not being paid. What a mess.

We then went in to meet the parents. Their home was very old, simple, small and strongly built of local hardwood. My wife and I sat next to the mother and across from the father and conversation seemed strained as to why we were there. My wife began discussing with the mother our trip and why we had come at the request of her daughter who had told us they were expecting us and wished to meet us to lend support to our friend the suitor. The mother spoke to the father and both of their eyes grew wide as the father asked my wife if the purpose of the trip was to ask for their daughters hand in marriage as they knew NOTHING of the purpose of the trip or of the potential marriage. Another uncomfortable WOW!

Now my wife was fuming. The father asked his daughter and our acquaintance if this was true and they sat there just grinning like Cheshire cat's and my wife told them to show some respect and answer the question. The daughter in her early forties began to answer her father and mother and make excuses for not having told them or for deceiving us and wasting our time on a trip we were not enjoying.

The father then asked the suitor is he would stay at the family home for a couple of days instead of returning to the hotel in order for the parents and he to get to know one another. The suitor sitting across from us with the daughter would not answer the father and kept trying to change the subject by discussing the hand cut lumber used to build the house. The father seemed confused and the mother was watching him closely while my wife was annoyed at the disrespect at his not answering the fathers question and spoke up and told him exactly that. She told the suitor and the daughter that they were both behaving disrespectfully and to answer the question. They both sat back surprised and the suitor began to stumble and mumble about why he did not want to spend the night but would come back tomorrow early and spend the day.

This soap opera was played out in full view of a few children and a room full of relatives as we then moved to the kitchen where a long table filled with fresh cooked food was waiting for us. The food was delicious and had obviously taken most of the day to cook as there were many mouths to feed. Her parents and her family with the exception of her scheming brother were a pleasure to spend time with as we said our goodbyes and left with me driving the Fortuner back to town with apologies from the suitor and the daughter for being less that truthful with us.

There was more drama but by now the picture should be clear as my wife and I gladly went to the airport the following day and bid our farewells to the chaos.

About a week later the suitor returned and we had a transport service pick him up at the airport and return him to his condo. We began sorting out the half truths through conversations with him and his girlfriend and discovered that he had been bragging to the girlfriend and the family about his money, even telling them exactly how much he had, what he had in the states and on and on. The family then began asking to "borrow" money to pay off the water treatment plant, dig a new well and purchase water containers and a delivery vehicle.
The family farm was in danger of being taken by the bank and he was also asked to loan money to pay off the loan for the Toyota fortuner and to pay for a kidney transplant for a sick relative. He stated that they would pick him up every morning and after and short visit with the dismayed parents they then began using him and his wallet to travel to other towns, shop and eat out, all of which he paid for including the gas money. He said he was disappointed with his girlfriend but continued talking to her in spite of the chaos surrounding the relationship. The trip and the family had cost him about $3000.00 U.S. and his budget was shot in the butt.

He continued to send money in smaller amounts to his girlfriend as she told him that the money she had spent on our visit was out of the money for family expenses and she hoped he would reimburse her! Uh oh.

In the weeks to follow amounting to about a 3 month trip to the Philippines he had spent about $6,000.00 U.S. and was still pursuing a marriage to the girlfriend after her scamming brother, she and a couple of family members drove down from northern Luzon to iron out misunderstandings. He said they just showed up and yes he paid for the trip.

Shortly thereafter he already having diabetes, developed an issue with his back and a hernia which he had left untreated and the back issue was severe enough that it forced a return to the states. My wife and I believe in his case that it was a blessing in disguise as the family would have no doubt sucked him dry in no time. We told him to pursue bringing his girlfriend to the states as a fiancee and marry her there, no answer.

We believe his behavior in the Phil was not only naive, arrogantly stupid and immature but would have ultimately bankrupt him. His land is up for sale and in returning to the states he is by no means without support. His father has two very nice homes, both of which were offered to him NO CHARGE and a large family who support him while he seeks medical attention for the 7 different issues he chose to ignore.

Some people should just stay home.

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draks
8/4/2016 22:20 EST

I know i am a cynical bar steward but I would never send money to a woman here they survived all their lives without you why can't they now all of a sudden? I know we all want to 'help' which is fine but sometimes 'helping' starts to cost you money every week. How far should you help? It's never ending sometimes. I met a filipino family in uk they had lived and worked there for 30 years she started helping her sisters 30 years ago and is still 'helping' her nieces and nephews 30 years of 'help' she is not helping them she had taught them to be reliant on her and her husband they both worked very hard in uk and her family in philippines were doing quite well thank you. Seen this sort of thing time and time again. One woman lived in a tiny tiny room in London worked long hours was sending money and clothes home to her family who wanted branded and designer clothes was costing her more than she was earning got into massive debt with credit card companies. Until finally she went bankrupt. The family still expected her to finance their lavish lifestyle. Another girl rented a room in central London and worked as a cleaner earned good money cash she supported her family bought land and had a house built her father who stopped working was drinking and gambling heavily all on her money he gambled the house and lot and lost it. She then started to try and borrow enough money to buy it back. She lost the house. You just have to be extra extra careful and strict from day one here. For all of us that have fallen on our feet with our wives/gf we are the lucky ones.

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ACEPoolPlayer
8/6/2016 07:07 EST

Draks,
You seem to have all the worst stories of life in the Philippines. Why, I don't know... I've said this many times before an I'll say it again, the Philippines is not for the naïve foreigner who wants a cheap life an a young wife. If it sounds too good to be true.... You must be street smart to survive in any 3rd world type foreign country. "Buyer beware" Learn, read, listen to everyone else's experiences before you jump in. Generally speaking sharp, smart people experience less problems, gullible people experience more problems. Be cautious all the time. It's not only in the Philippines. It happens all the time in every major city in the world. The country bumpkin moves to the big city and what happens, he learns valuable lesson in life.

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treemancliff
8/8/2016 10:43 EST

I found FANCY GIRLS in Manila but was blessed to marry a province gal from Mindanao. Married six years now & am blessed.indeed ! GOD bless us always ... By the way in my opinion MONEY is a poor GOD especially lots of it !

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draks
8/8/2016 16:35 EST

Ace yes I have a lot of stories good and bad been around Filipinos for 30 years nearly I have seen the best and the worst of them. The reason I think I tell a lot of the bad things is just a warning to any newcomers. I have seen some really nice generous guys get suckered in by very unscrupulous filipina girls to the point where they lose everything, and i ran everything. Its not nice to watch a really good friend lose everything he has worked all his life for. Of course not all are like that thank god. And I know many of us on this site are very happy and that's great, I am one of the lucky ones now but have been through the mill with one filipina, and lost a house car possessions through greed. It has toughened me up and changed my attitudes.
Anyway I always wish anyone the best of luck here. If you find a good filipina life if just the best.

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draks
8/9/2016 04:21 EST

My advice to anyone thinking of coming here without an outside Income is DONT COME. it's too easy To lose money here one way or another. That's why I always say have an escape plan and the money somewhere to finance it.

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draks
8/9/2016 09:06 EST

So many people seem to think if you have a much younger wife its not going to work we have a 37 year gap. In 5 years we have only had about 3 or 4 big arguments we are as good together now as we were when we first met. Mind you she is very special. Very mature head on her shoulders and smart as hell. And for some ukmown reason she loves me. So we shouldn't generalise too much.

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poochewer
8/9/2016 17:14 EST

It never ceases to amaze me how many foreigners believe that their filipina wife is different and that she is a good one.
Just simple mathamatics and the laws of odds say that they cant all be right.

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draks
8/9/2016 20:23 EST

Ooooh poo I think that's not quite right. There are many many good girls here. But alternately there is a large amount of bad ones. That's why I said those of us who are with a good one we are lucky. I garauntee that none of us knew 100% that our prospective wives would turn out to be good or bad. In my case I don't have any money saved anywhere I don't own property anywhere. So why would a scammer stay with me? I have nothing material to offer, just me. I know several others who are the same as me getting a small pension or benefits still with their partner. Good and bad everywhere. So if we assume that the majority just want money,
those who stay with us without lots of money are 'special' but its just luck of the draw.

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Spruik
8/9/2016 20:45 EST

Draks wrote:
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So why would a scammer stay with me? I have nothing material to offer, just me. I know several others who are the same as me getting a small pension or benefits still with their partner.
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Why? Many don't believe whatever we say. Let me tell you about a discussion I had with an older lady in Camiguin in the presence of my then girlfriend.

I explained at length to the old lady that we (foreigners) have to work for a living and we have to save up for everything we want.

The old lady insisted that I was not telling the truth and that all foreigners just tell lies about not being rich. We are all rich in her eyes.

And that's true in the eyes of nearly everybody. Because we come from the land of plenty...

the difference between the 'good' and the 'bad' ones is that the good ones understand we have to work for whatever we have.

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Spruik
8/9/2016 20:58 EST

Of course there are other reasons why a Pinay would stay. In their eyes we value and respect our wives more than an average Pinoy.

As an aside, our pension provides a secure income and she does not have to rely on kids or relatives for survival.

Of course that's not gold-digging on her part, it just makes sense.

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draks
8/9/2016 21:08 EST

I think if a woman is with a man only for money she would not waste years with nothing coming just hoping that just maybe her partner was lying. Filipina are not stupid. If there is no money forthcoming they would move on that's for sure. Having said that even a small pension is more than the average earnings. And a farm girl living in very basic house will live a better life with a foreigner. But it won't always be luxury that's for sure. Its a fine line we tread. My wife comes from a poor family they live in a very basic small house we live in a nice apartment tiled throughout flushing toilet etc. But she does not have a lavish lifestyle with me. But she is still here with me after many years. Not just a few months

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mcquaid
8/9/2016 22:20 EST

Reading some of these articles about guys getting burned reminds me of a number of stories and proverbs that I have heard. Repeating Robin Williams descriptions of Gods creations,
"there were so many absolutely brilliant creations, but when it came to the creation of the male there ended up being a defect, there wasn't enough blood pumping capacity provided to operate the brain and penis at the same time",

"Love is Blind." (infatuation)

"There is no fool like an old fool"

I have been working construction all over the world for 40 years and have seen older men get involved with younger girls, and get cleaned out more often than not. they hang around to get a ticket out of dodge, once in the new world it isn't long before they meet up with their own kind and that is where it usually begins and ends.
Of course there are exceptions. But you have to be realistic, why would a young lady attach herself to someone that is 20, 30 0r 40 years older than her if there wasn't something in it for them?If you are there, be realistic, heed the warnings and sleep with one eye open. Good Luck!

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Traco
8/10/2016 00:31 EST

Both myself and my younger brother have been married to Filipinas for a long time. I'm celebrating 25 years of being married to her this September. My wife is 22 years younger than me. She has a good job here in Australia with a good salary. And many expat Filipino friends.. She was studying to be a lawyer at Ateneo University in Davao when I met her.

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seernai
8/10/2016 01:42 EST

This is exactly my point you cannot always use age to judge people but you really have to do your homework before you commit to anyone also don't be stupid enough to give all your life savings to anyone keep your money in your own bank

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Singlelooking
8/10/2016 05:19 EST

Men that don't understand women are sure to be skeptical.

Women are NOT men, nor do they think like us, nor do they have the same needs.

The first thing that attracts a woman to a man is confidence and prestige.

That's why some people can't understand why a woman can be head over heals IN LOVE with a man 30-40 years older.

In the EAST women don't have the peer pressure of women's liberation and the lesbian hate culture and are accustomed to be attracted and live with men even of their OWN RACE that are much older. Manly man are loved by women.

In the west women have been abberated/distorted by the libs to be attracted to the METROSESEXUAL MALE.
A complete distortion of manlines,
Which is what is normal and natural.

Being the provider,protectector,teacher, leader (great hunter) leader of the pack has been sadly destroyed in the west.
But here its still very much alive.
And its NORMAL; thank God!

And is the way men and women relations have been through the centuries.

What is abnormal,unusual,new is that many women in the west, have been trained by the media/peer pressure to hate or look down at men, both older and younger!

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draks
8/10/2016 05:42 EST

Singlelooking: at first I thought I was going to disagree with you but as I read on I agree with all you said. I am in and have been for more than 5 years, a relationship with a 37 year age gap, I have seen remarks made on some posts about why would a younger be attracted to an older man. I keep quiet, because I can only talk about my experience. Even back in the UK I had gf's 20 25 years younger than me. But the way you explained makes a lot of sense, to me anyway.

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freetheirminds2
10/30/2016 15:13 EST

Don'r trust anybody here including your lafy friends. Your only true friend is your money.

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seernai
10/30/2016 17:30 EST

Hi that is a debatable point why come here apart from a Holiday in the first place if you have no income ? The trust part well not entirely true there are people you can trust who are not after your money as one very desperate man and is lucky to find out this particular guy had fallen on very hard times having given all his life savings , which was over 2 million pesos to someone he could trust until recently he was stuck in a Philippine hotel with nothing , he owed the hotel a lot of money his visa extension had long expired and like I said had nothing., no money at all no income but a friend of his knew a Lady who has taken him in and now she is his Girlfriend and she has money so although rare it does happen

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standupguy
10/30/2016 18:53 EST

freetheirminds2 - what you said is generally true for newcomers. I have lived her for almost 5 years. I know my neighbors very well. It' a very tight community. There are those you can trust and there are those you can't. Even my Pinoy neighbors know who to trust and they agree with me completely.

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trappedinhell
10/30/2016 20:41 EST

Too much generalization there. In any country, there are people you could trust & there are some people you can't. It's just a matter of instinct & judgement call. "Your only true friend is your money." WOW. Must be a very cynical life.

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bang4dabuck
10/31/2016 02:48 EST

I agree and isn't pretty much any foreigner forewarned before getting involved. Sure a great con artist like out of a movie could probably take any of us but still if you don't let the possibilties of a hack out there and you don't willingly give them a reason to knock you off like making them a beneficiary one should be fine. IMO

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Metalpipe
4/1/2017 11:56 EST

Fantastic read. A classic case of US (non)culture attempting to make a splash in what they perceive to be a 'Land of Unfortunate Innocents'. Love your closing statement.

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David170
4/2/2017 03:43 EST

Yep, my wife lies to me all the time and steals money. My son is 12, I have 6 more years left on this prison sentence then back to "Mongering".

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stocksniffer
4/6/2017 07:10 EST

I know a retired billionaire banker from Alabama! His Filipino wife does not have a clue to how rich he is because he does not flaunt it even though he was flying all over the world constantly. She always thought he was just an employee which he was but owned several banks. He refused to have joint accounts and he never told her anything about his finances. He never gave her any money! She had to earn what she had! Another example: When my father divorced my mother she walked out on him taking all the furniture and money they had saved all his life. She then demanded alimony which he refused the judges order got arrested for contempt of court but kept the little money he had saved the last year of work. She spent all the money she took buying a home and was starving to death but after all this my father still wanted her back and because of her meager finances she returned to him on the last day the divorce would have been finalized.

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stocksniffer
4/6/2017 07:17 EST

When if comes right down to it marriage is just another form of prostitution!

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