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jleo1
  9/21/2016 02:58 EST

OK folks,

I've looked around and haven't seen anything on this subject. Here's what's going on...

My girlfriend is currently going through the annulment process and we hope it will be completed by about the end of the year.
Once it's completed we will immediately apply for a fiancee visa.

I've been informed the Visa could easily take 5 months to obtain.
If we apply for the Visa in say February and it does take 5 months, then we would not have the Visa in hand until July.

My girlfriend has a 20 year old daughter. The daughter will turn 21 years old on May 29, 2017 and, based on the above scenario, while we are waiting for the Visa to be issued.

The question is... does anyone know if the daughter will be allowed to accompany her mother if she turns 21 while we're still waiting for the Visa to be issued?

Can anyone tell me where I might find the answer in writing?

Thanks folks

LarryKar
  9/21/2016 04:15 EST

jleo1: Not trying to rain on your parade but when you say the Annulement will be done do you mean 100%? Going through this myself so up to speed. After two years the RTC judge finally ruled Approved three weeks ago. Now her Attorney sends it to Manila for “final” approval. That should come in November best guess. Her guy has a 99% success rate over 10 years so looks good. Then it must go to NRO for filing. Not sure if that is a two month wait as well. I do not know about your daughter but i cannot imagine a 20 year old let alone a 21 being able to piggy back on her Mom. In the USA the age of majority for most things is 18. Unlike Phil where you are a child till your Mom falls over dead. ;)

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sa39561
  9/21/2016 08:28 EST

By law a child under 21 can accompany on a K-2 visa but you real problem is going to be to timing. I have been through this process and getting an annulment takes time. Like it was stated getting the RTC to finalize the annulment can take time. Then it has to be sent to Manila for a review and stamping by the NSO office. This can take a few months. There is also a review by another judiciary (Solictor General I think) which will take a month. The bottom line is this takes time. You better have a great lawyer and be prepared to add some juice where needed or you will just run out of out time and your soon to be step-daughter will be out of luck for a K-2. I don't know what to tell you about applying for her AFTER 21. I think this puts it in a while in category. I had to do this with my step son but he was under 21, it was pretty straight forward and only took about 9 months (and this was because of shanagins his biological father pulled that slowed is down). Hope this helps!!

Goodlooking
  9/21/2016 10:43 EST

To: jeleo1.......only.
Your's is the most tear jerking post I ever seen. I cry with you.
#1. Philippines don't have divorce; under any conditions on earth.
#2. Philippines has an annulment process under very limited conditions; only within one year of the date married.
#3. Anything else is entirely illegal.
#4. Bribes are a way of Philippine life.
#5. Her cousin's best friend is sister of a Philippine judge............maybe you will not be devastated as I suspect.
#6. A under aged minor.........if there is one...........shall have to be represented by a separate attorney with her father's rights being administered to in court.
Can I ask ? Did you sent lots and lots of money to the precious Philippine lady in question ?
Did you also send lots of your hard earned money that will supposedly go to some nice Philippine attorney ?
I take note you did not mention very expensive medical checkup prior to VISA issuance. Please don't hate me yet. Did you send the extremely expensive money for her interview At Manila ? And money for her travel and lodging for both trips ? Just courous. I went through all that until I snapped and realized the entire ordeal was all about America and Philippines stealing tons of money from an America that thought he wants to have Philippine mate for life. Back in our beer joints we call that prostitution. Get a woman. Pay some money. (and pay through the nose to Philippines and America)
Luck to you; buddy. You gonna sure need it. (and.........that's just the tip of the ice burg about how much money America and Philippines demand you spend to get the woman.)
Sorry.........we call that prostitution. Nations selling a woman.
Now, set back and look at how many comments contradict everything me and my wife suffered through for 12 long years of denying Philippines and America the price of a woman.

Goodlooking
  9/21/2016 10:57 EST

Good luck to you; Larry Kar,
We both know you gonna need a ton of it. We both know the deal about the "annulment".
Hope you luck out, again, with the Manila workers. Get your money stacked up again and be ready. It's a crap shoot even when you put all the chips on the right side of the table. I didn't go that route. Not me. My wife was old maid. But I would not have fought that fight. One to thirteen odds scars me away every time. Here's hoping; your lawyer is in your family and he has a brother in the Manila office. Hope you put one over on them.

LarryKar
  9/21/2016 19:05 EST

Goodlooking: Thanks for your daily dose of negativity. You must suffer greatly in that world you live in. 98.5% of everything you say is utter nonsense. I did not live to be this old by being stupid. Lots of documented cases of annulements after one year. And researched independant of my gals Lawyer. Please go rain on other peoples parade.

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Spruik
  9/21/2016 19:39 EST

I am one western (one of many) who has been taken to the cleaners by Pinays - more than once.

Competition among Pinays is rife... why not just bypass those who seek annullment? Plus... your relationship will be consumed with those issues before you can even start a life together.

Spruik
  9/21/2016 19:48 EST

The Ex (or should I say 'current husband' might always be lurking in the background.... so to speak.

Then there is a child... teenager. They don't always have the same respect for their new 'Dad'.

More often than not, it's all about leaving Pinay Land for the USA.

Propose a life with her in Philippines... chances are she will look elsewhere.

Rescuer
  9/21/2016 19:59 EST

Spruik ~ Good idea for him to keep an eye out for guys on motorcycles sent by the husband, if you know what I mean.

Rescuer
  9/21/2016 20:31 EST

Yep, and avoiding women with boyfriends and/or husbands eliminates that whole guys on motorcycles thing. Kinda hard to see them when love is blind.

ACEPoolPlayer
  9/22/2016 07:39 EST

LarryKar,
I agree with you, this person has posted several inaccurate posts.
1) You don't get thrown in jail for overstaying in the Philippines (unless maybe you have broken the law in some other manner) but you will definitely have to pay penalties for over staying once you try to exit the Philippines.
2) I myself know people who have gone through the annulment process several years after a marriage, The statement that an annulment must be within one year is pure baloney. You are right. So people purposely over exaggerate bad information to promote negativity.

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seernai
  9/22/2016 09:37 EST

I know you mean me Ace and I do not post inaccurate posts tell me to my face not by spurious means

seernai
  9/22/2016 09:45 EST

I think I have had enough of this forum as everything I post certain people say I'm inaccurate even though it's from first hand experience so enjoy yourselves all you negative people

jleo1
  9/22/2016 14:11 EST

I don't even know if I'm posting this right or in the correct place but...

Anyway...

OK, so I myself am just about fed up with all the crap that people post on the forum that doesn't, in any way, shape or form, answer the question that has been asked.

Where is Admin to throw the idiots off of here who only want to tell the world about their nightmares or post some useless garbage that is totally irrelevant to the topic? Hello... Admin?

I already stated the facts in my original post. Maybe something will happen to change the dates. Who the hell knows? You don't know and I don't know. None of us knows for sure. I/we can only hope. Please just keep any replies directly on topic. Read the original post and reply if and only if you have useful info.

I'm not totally ignorant to the ways of the Phils. I have been there 5 times in the past year. I don't need any of you to tell me the negative crap! I've seen and experienced plenty of it already. The money I've spent and sent is of no concern to any of you. I didn't ask you to tell me your opinion or your horror stories. I simply asked if anyone on here had any KNOWLEDGE, ACTUAL FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE,not stupid, useless manure, that they cared to share with me. KNOWLEDGE which would apply to the situation in my original post. All of the garbage opinions, I think this, I'm guessing that, I don't know buts and all that crap are a useless waste of time. Save your breath for some other time, like maybe when you're out drowning yourself at the bars or wherever you go besides here to find people who will to listen to your crap.

So... now, if I may ask again, PLEASE read my original post and if you have any USEFUL info, I thank you for sharing it.

Rescuer
  9/22/2016 17:11 EST

Visiting here is not at all like living here. It can take years to learn the ways of the culture, and that is a fact. You should ask your question to the BI people, and watch your back for a jealous husband.

LarryKar
  9/23/2016 06:49 EST

Rescuer: Thank you for sending Jleo off in the right direction . You are indeed a diplomat. I would have come across much closure to DU30 addressing the EU. ;)

ACEPoolPlayer
  9/23/2016 07:36 EST

Seernai,
I was not referring to you!!!

Peacekeeper007
  9/23/2016 08:11 EST

Jleo1,
I apologize, sometimes our members can get a little too outspoken regarding their personal ideas and we often get off the original topic.
"Over time, we hope that community members feel comfortable enough to interact openly and honestly with other members. We believe that freedom of speech on the Internet is important, but also recognize that personal attacks, insulting behavior and the like hinder community development."
My best advice to you would be to lookup the USCIS.gov website, or there is also a very good website that I myself found helpful called Visajourney.com. Your question is a good one but apparently no one has the answer for you at the moment. Please let us know when you get the answer because I'm sure someday that question will come up again.
-The Moderator-

Rescuer
  9/23/2016 16:14 EST

LarryKar ~ Just seems like a question for the BI people to me ;-) More importantly is what a jealous husband might do. Needless to say there is very little respect for human life here.

Rescuer
  9/23/2016 17:02 EST

LarryKar ~ I would be banned if I used the language DU30 uses ;-)

jleo1
  9/23/2016 23:44 EST

Thanks so much Peacekeeper!

I am fairly new to the whole forum thing. I mean... I've been on here for almost a year but up to this point I have just been reading a lot. I've read some posts that were very good with a lot of shared firsthand knowledge on the OPs topic and I have read plenty of way off, personal opinion, nightmarish posts as well.
I know firsthand that a lot of the info included in some of the negative posts is true as I have been to the Phils enough times to know. (it can take as few as one trip)
I just really appreciate it when a replying poster provides a comment that is helpful to the OP i.e.- if a yes or no question is asked and the answer is yes, then just answer "yes" instead of "yes, but I have to ask why the heck would someone in their right mind want to do something that in my opinion is so stupid as this and in my opinion you should just do that and go here and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
I for instance, gave a scenario which never even mentioned money and I get comments about how much money have I sent to supposedly be spent for things. The response not only does not answer my question at all... it simply invites more off topic comments and for days or weeks or months, more and more of the same... to the point where it becomes obnoxious and the OP is left feeling that the whole place is a waste of time.
I would just like to ask that if people want to comment on a topic, then please, please, please be sure you've read the original post and your reply is relevant and helpful to the OP.

Thanks for your time folks. I really do appreciate the helpful info. Carry on!!!

jleo

ACEPoolPlayer
  9/24/2016 08:20 EST

jleo1,
Welcome to our forum. Unfortunately just like this message many times we get off the original topic. There is no way to really control it, it just happens. It's almost like the old telephone game. The story continually changes. It does make for interesting reading.
You have mentioned that you have been reading the posts for a long time. You must understand majority of the people on this forum are retired. To many it's like reading the daily newspaper or maybe the National Inquirer. You can get a lot of good information and sometimes many good stories. Sometimes you find the same person commenting on every topic... Some people seem to know everything about everything. It makes you wonder why they just don't write a book. Apparently as long as the contributors follow the member agreement, anything is game. It does make things interesting for many of us. Don't believe everything you read but many times it's great correct information.
As far as your original post, the bottom line is your are in a difficult situation. You are relying on the time it takes to get an annulment to determine your families future. So much depends on where in the country you have submitted the annulment documents, how cooperative the former spouse is and who the Attorney is who is working on and following up on the paperwork. As far as the offspring turning 21 before the finalization of the annulment, I think you will have problems. As mentioned earlier go to Visajouney and the government website to try to find your correct answer. If you don't mind be on hold for a long time or fighting through a busy line you can call USCIS. Good luck.

jleo1
  9/24/2016 21:41 EST

Thanks again ACE

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