axelnoah
2/28/2017 07:48 EST
Just read about the heavy coal production in Bataan has resulted in the severe pollution of the area and the destruction of the coastline and of the sea bed. And the killing of human rights defender Gloria Capitan in Mariveles. Do you guys know about Coal Power Plants in the Philippines. Are they frequent, do you know how many, where are they situated? I need to find a place to move where those Coal Power Plants are non existant.
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draks
2/28/2017 08:30 EST
Your asking a lot they are talking about nuclear plants there are some hydro plants but not many, and power cuts are regular. I do know that in Calapan mindoro island it's a big diesel generation plant, but power cuts are regular.
Bit different here than home huh?
You could generate your own power with a lot of good solar panels but that's gonna be expensive. Wind generator is a choice but not always windy.
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GaryD
2/28/2017 08:51 EST
First I'd heard of coal mining in Bataan. 75% of the coal used in the Philippines is imported. The bulk of the local coal in mined on the island of Semirara down near Cebu. There is an abandoned nuclear plant in Bataan that they are talking about resurrecting, now that would be a greater concern.
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axelnoah
2/28/2017 09:44 EST
Thanks. I'm worried about the Coal Power Plants. I read about some very negative results in Mariveles, Bataan. Do you know anything about the "area of danger" from a Coal Power Plant? How far away from the center?
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LarryKar
3/1/2017 00:55 EST
Not coal mines in Bataan but a coal fired power plant. Our new President seems bent on keeping them even in the face of environmental objections. But he is prone to change overnight so who knows?
http://www.rappler.com/move-ph/162158-families-near-bataan-coal-plant-face-displacement
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axelnoah
3/1/2017 01:15 EST
This must be a serious problem in the Philippines. Seems like 25 more Coal Power Plants are on their way too. And if you protest, you might get shot dead. Does anyone know how far reaching the effects of coal power get? (How far away from a Coal Power Plant could one live without getting health problems, including skin and respiratory diseases? Would appreciate an answer - really!
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TeeJay4103
3/1/2017 05:13 EST
A good read with regard to your question.
http://www.edf.org/sites/default/files/9553_coal-plants-health-impacts.pdf
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axelnoah
3/1/2017 05:48 EST
So many foreigners moving to and living in the Philippines. Would it be possible for me to overstate this reading? But negative effects of Coal Power Plants in 1000 km from the plant seems serious enough to me for sure. Would be great to hear your opinions, what is your rections to this issue all of you foreigners living in the Phils?
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draks
3/1/2017 07:20 EST
Never had a problem at all, wherever I have lived. Not really sure what your worried about maybe I didn't read thoroughly
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TeeJay4103
3/1/2017 07:55 EST
The studies listed were conducted as far out as a 1000km radius though I doubt it means anyone within that radius is going to die any sooner than elsewhere.
I worked in a coal fired power plant for three years when I was younger and then lived within a few miles of power plants throughout my life. At this point I have little in the way of health issues at 67 years of age.
I had more issues with breathing when I worked in the desert environment of Phoenix Az than I did in the power plant due to the dust that constantly swirls in the air.
Other studies I read stated that depending on where you live you may find little in the way of negative health effects within 5 miles of a plant.
I would venture to say that the geographical location of the plant and the ability of the winds to carry away the emissions is also a consideration as well as whether the plant is equipped with electrostatic filters or scrubbers which significantly reduce the particulates and contaminants emitted by the plants. Any plant not equipped with scrubbers or filters will spew dust visible to the naked eye and surrounding structures will be covered with the dust.
We are about an hour plus or minus from a power plant in Batangas and we SEE no particulates in the form of dust or black soot around or on our home.
I wouldn't be to concerned at least to the extent that it takes the fun out of living or living in an area you like.
Just my two cents.
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ACEPoolPlayer
3/1/2017 08:41 EST
I think if I was the worrying type I'd be more concerned with the air pollution levels in Urban areas in the Philippines due to the lack of environmental regulations. A matter-of-fact water pollution is just as bad. Once again there are a lot of great things about the Philippines but pollution is a real serious problem. To change the laws it would effect businesses owned by the rich, so changes never happen.
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TeeJay4103
3/1/2017 08:57 EST
Agreed. The pollutants cannot be entirely avoided, though you can distance yourself from the worst of it by simply be a short distance off the beaten path without being so isolated that you cannot get to the city, an airport, shopping, etc. as needed.
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GaryD
3/1/2017 09:48 EST
I have a friend who's wife is from Limoa and due to the complaints about air polution the plant was told to get its act together, didn't realise it was a power plant. So what happens now is the levels of polution during the daytime is much lower and they lert it all go overnight thinking nobody will notice.
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GaryD
3/1/2017 09:55 EST
I started reading that article and I must admit I lost interest quite quickly. I think in the case of the Philippines the diesel polution is going to get you long before any polution from power plants.
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ACEPoolPlayer
3/1/2017 09:57 EST
Gary,
As you probably know this stuff happens all the time. Check out the buses that are used only in the evening hours.
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seernai
3/1/2017 18:20 EST
Regarding pollution from Diesel fumes that depends where you live , if you live Manila yes I would agree with you but where I live where it's open countryside no you won't suffer from diesel fumes
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meandmine
3/1/2017 22:26 EST
The Rappler article states that most affected suffer from coughs, colds and tuberculosis. TB is not caused by power plants. Polluted areas make it worse, not cause it.
As with the other article, don't just read it, research the authors. You will find they are doom and gloom global warmongers. These people have an agenda and it is not your health. Follow the money that supports these people and you will see other priorities.
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TeeJay4103
3/2/2017 09:21 EST
The tree hugging environmentalists seem to want everyone to sacrifice but themselves when it comes to the use of fossil fuels and blowing facts out of proportion is one of their favorite tactics but there is also some truth in the reports with regard to pollutants from power plants, cars, bikes, trains or plane and other industries and like all emissions they are carried by the wind. Just look at the soot covered building in the cities and along the major highways.
While TB is not caused by pollution, it is a contagious bacterial infection. Respiratory problems are aggravated by pollution and in severe cases they can be the cause. just like smoking cigarettes. Simply staying out of large cities and away from heavy traffic or industrial areas is pretty easy to do in the Philippines. Unless work requires it, why live in those areas in you can afford not to.
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draks
3/2/2017 20:55 EST
I think if you are very sensitive to any pollution then maybe Philippines is not for you. Cars bikes buses spew out fumes, farmers burning crops , people burning their garbage including plastics all pollutes to some degree. I have sat in the back of several jeepneys and the diesel fumes just come up into the vehicle same with buses with no windows sometimes if riding behind a smokey diesel I have had to get past the fumes were awful. Peaceful, quiet the Philippines is not haha
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seernai
3/2/2017 21:02 EST
I come from South Wales and regarding pollution it was far worse than the Philippines as years ago everyone had coal fires also if you lived near Port Talbots Steel works any washing you put out would be covered in red dust from the Steel works so no As yet unless you live near or In a major city you won't have the same level of Polution as not only Wales but Certain parts of the uk
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trappedinhell
3/2/2017 21:03 EST
@draks I just wonder what's the purpose of these Smog Check at LTO everytime we register or vehicles, when you we see jeepneys, buses, trucks, & tricycles belching black smoke on their mufflers. It defeats the whole purpose of smog test.
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TeeJay4103
3/2/2017 21:11 EST
Living in large cities in the U.S. or any other country also pumps pollution into your face, though the jeepneys and old buses are some real smoke belchers.
I remember living in farm country and burn offs of fields were common as was burning trash and leaves.
Where we live is peaceful and quiet and it can be found, though your budget and lifestyle wants and needs will somewhat dictate the environment in which you live and subsequently your exposure to pollutants.
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Spruik
3/3/2017 19:46 EST
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There is an abandoned nuclear plant in Bataan that they are talking about resurrecting, now that would be a greater concern.
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Fear of nuclear power generation is heavily overstated. Sure, we had a few accidents but the latest accidents in Japan did not cause any deaths, or even ill health.
In contrast, burning coal kills millions of people in slow ways.
Wind and solar power are intermittant. Nuclear power is clean, reliable and much safer.
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GaryD
3/4/2017 04:52 EST
I'm quite happy with nuclear power. My concern is Philippines construction methods compared to their poor maintenance record.
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seernai
3/4/2017 05:23 EST
I suspect overseas experts would be used to sort the Nuclear plant out as I don't think the Philippines has any Nuclear experts unless they have any who have been trained overseas
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