dajo
9/1/2016 13:47 EST
Hello all,
I am hoping someone from Canada or the USA can send me a photo of a residence visa.
As I mentioned in a previous post, we are have a ton of grief in Canada trying to get the correct visa.
In the last post I stated we were told there is no residence visa by the Vancouver consulate and told to apply for and were given a Schengen visa. $90 each
I know these are issued on arrival for free but that is what happened. We are visiting friends in Arizona now and were notified by Email or visas were in.
The last few days have been even more confusing.
I spoke to the consulate in Toronto and that person said that the Schengen visa is wrong (I already knew that) and that I need a residence visa. ( I already knew that too). I told him about the Vancouver consulate and that no one there answers the phone or Emails so he said the best he could do is Email.
Then I called the Ottawa Embassy again and the woman there told me the residence visa has Schengen on the top of it so it might be the right one. I have never seen one so I don't know if I have the correct visa.
I am scheduled to fly Vancouver again and pick up the visas in two weeks. If the visas are wrong, all booked flights are going to need to be changed. That won't be cheap!!
Is there someone on this forum who can scan or take a photo of a North American residence visa and put it up somehow for me to see?
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OldPro
9/1/2016 18:51 EST
TYPE D VISA
TYPE D VISA
TYPE D VISA
It doesn't matter what you call it, what you need is a Type D visa. Did you ask if it is a Schengen Type D visa? Yes or no.
You can call it a 'National Visa' or a Schengen Visa or a Residence Visa or a Long Stay Visa. All that matters is it a TYPE D VISA.
Scroll down and read 3. here:
http://www.schengenvisainfo.com/schengen-visa-types/
A National or Schengen (call it what you will) long stay visa which allows you to stay for 4 months instead of 3, is what you get from ANY Schengen country if you want to move to that country and become resident.
First the visa, then residency permit after arrival.
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dajo
9/1/2016 22:52 EST
Hello oldpro,
Please read carefully. This was in my original post;
"The Vancouver consulate is not answering telephone calls or Emails"
So did I ask....... obviously not. I am looking at spending another $1000 to fly back to Vancouver so I can walk into the consulate in person to see the visa.
If I saw the visa, I wouldn't have asked to see one.
I left my Chrystal ball at home.
I checked the link the last time you sent it, thank you. It may be difficult to believe but some of us are not children.
By the way, please read the post I wrote in "Why I joined"
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Countga
9/3/2016 08:34 EST
Dajo,
Did you ever get a copy of a visa yet? If not, send me your personal email address & I'll send you a copy of mine. At the top of mine it just says "VISTO". The third line down it shows Type of Visa as "D". On the same line it shows Number of Entries as "2". Still on the same line it shows Duration of Stay as "120"
Then on the last line under REMARKS it says "RESIDENCIA- ART 58 N 3 LEI 23/07"
That appears to coincide with what others have said. With that in hand I went to SEF and got my one year residence visa.
Let me know if you want a copy via personal email.
Hope that helps.
countga
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craigandmicki
9/3/2016 09:11 EST
Countga and Dajo: Countga describes the Type 1 Temporary Visa perfectly...exactly as others' visas have appeared under the Type 1 regulations for entry into Portugal.
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dajo
9/3/2016 13:21 EST
Thank you Countga for the precise description. That is all I was hoping for and when I go back to the consulate, I will be better prepared / informed. I really appreciate the generous offer of the copy but now I think I'll be good. You have lowered my stress level and again, thank you!
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dajo
9/3/2016 13:23 EST
Craigandmicki,
Thank you very much for confirming what Countga has written. I know it took effort on both your parts and it is appreciated!
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dajo
9/30/2016 12:08 EST
For those interested in the events of a Canadian residence Visa journey I have more to add.
If you live in Western Canada you must deal with the Vancouver Consulate as both the Toronto Consulate and the Ottawa Embassy will not deal with anyone West of Winnipeg. They will tell you it is because they cannot verify your provincial documents. If you are East of Winnipeg you will have an easier time, maybe.
The Vancouver Consulate is a project of blind confusion. The people there do not know what they are doing but insist they do. I left the Vancouver consulate with a 90 day Schengen visa and nothing else but verbal assurances that it is the correct procedure to obtain the residence Permit from the SEF offices in Portugal. I KNOW THIS IS INCORRECT SO THE REDUNDANT COMMENTS ARE NOT REQUIRED.
I walked into the Ottawa Embassy and was turned away even though they told me the person in Vancouver was incorrect. They refused to help. Same thing happened at the Toronto Consulate because of my address in Canada. The fella there actually laughed out loud about or Schengen visas! In Ottawa, Maria told me that the SEF agent would give us the residence permit because all of the documents were scanned in (and thereby verified) by the Vancouver consulate which we highly doubt. The result? We are going to Portugal in October and will attempt to get a residence permit or at the very least, an extension for as long as possible. All we wanted to do in the first place was to try living in Portugal to see if it was right for us. After 4-6 months, we will have a good idea if we want to live there for a while and if we must return to Canada for a visa again, it will be to Ottawa.
For you Canadians who may read this I leave this advice. Go to Ottawa and make up an Ottawa address. On the other hand, just go to the Spanish or French Embassy and get a Residence visa. The language is easier to learn. :)
To Terri; Thank you for the information. You have been a pleasure to communicate with.
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OldPro
10/1/2016 14:18 EST
Dajo, what TYPE of visa is it?
Not what name do you give it, what TYPE of visa does it show it to be?
Here is a photo I found online as an example.
http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=86926&d=1408664867
Look at the third line where it shows 'Type of Visa.
There are 4 visa TYPES, A, B, C and D. What you want to have is a TYPE D visa.
http://www.schengenvisainfo.com/schengen-visa-types/
All you have said is you got a Schengen Visa and that tells us nothing about what TYPE they gave you. If it shows C it is not what you want but if it shows D or CD it is in fact what you want.
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dajo
10/13/2016 08:35 EST
Oldpro it is a type C and yes I've known all along it was wrong. I've made best efforts with the Vancouver consulate and in the end, was denied as previously written.
There is some logic in what the woman in Vancouver said about the reason the visa must be applied for in your home country being document verification.
All required documents for a residence Permit were scanned and forwarded to the SEF so we'll see when we show up in October.
As I mentioned, if it doesn't pan out, so be it. We are not going to loose any sleep about it but it also will show some who try in the future that even when you do everything right, sometimes it just doesn't work out.
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terrig123
10/19/2016 11:21 EST
Hi dajo,
Gosh it sounds like the process has been quite challenging for you. Perhaps things are very different in Canada than here in the US, like the process here varies from consulate to consulate. When I wrote to the San Fran office (saying that we plan to retire to Portugal), I was told the following:
"We do ask that you use the Schengen form as indicated. Not all fields are appropriate for long term applicants and it is ok to mark NA as necessary. We will make the necessary corrections on our end so the appropriate visa for retirement is processed, not Schengen."
There is no type listed on the application form but a spot marked "other" where you'd list retirement as the purpose of the journey.
Good luck in your travels and do keep me posted on your progress! Terri
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craigandmicki
10/19/2016 12:05 EST
To Terry's comment to dajo about SF consul: Oh, gosh, I sure wish that the SF office would just close! There is no such thing as a 'retirement visa', albeit a lot of people use that wording. A consul, however, should know better! I do like that SF said they'd fix your application if there were any errors, as that's a great help, but you clearly must first get a Schengen Visa Type 1, and then a Portuguese Visa Type D, and finally your Portuguese Resident Permit. Well, if it all works out, that's what counts. Anyone working with another Consul needs to be aware, tho, that SF doesn't follow the regular protocols.
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OldPro
10/20/2016 17:58 EST
It is unfortunate and confusing for people that so many different WORDS are used to describe the same thing.
Someone coming to this sub-forum looking for advice on a visa will read, 'long term visa'; residency visa'; 'retirement visa'; 'type 1 Visa'; 'type D visa'; Schengen Visa'; Portuguese National Visa' and on top of that, they then get 'Residence Permit' thrown in as well.
They will also read posts where someone will insist that some of the above actually exist such as 'retirement visa' when in fact no such thing exists as you say craigandmicki.
That is one of the problem with forums. Anyone can state anything as a fact whether they get it right or not.
By the way, the Vancouver, Canada consulate seems to be just as bad as the San Francisco consulate in confusing people.
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Whisperer
10/21/2016 10:21 EST
So, the retirement visa is actually a long term visa????? Yes, No????
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Whisperer
10/21/2016 10:29 EST
Okay, now I have read all of the e-mails, This is excellent information, thank you. I will make sure this information is saved.
whisperer
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OldPro
10/21/2016 12:34 EST
Yes and no Whisperer.
If you look at the following photo you will see a Schengen visa. You will also see it is a TYPE D visa and it is only under 'Remarks' that if refers to the PURPOSE of the visa as being 'long stay.' Another Counsulate could just as easily have typed 'retirement' under the Remarks heading. What they type under Remarks is not what matters. What they show under TYPE of visa is what matters.
So when someone says, 'what kind of visa do I need?', the answer is a Type D visa. What 'KIND' means what 'TYPE', not for what purpose do I want it.
http://www.twobadtourists.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Screen-Shot-2013-04-15-at-12.59.04-PM-611x280.png
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RobertEaston
4/6/2017 13:20 EST
Hope this helps: http://www.liveandinvestoverseas.com/country-hub/portugal/portugal-visa-and-residency-information.html
My wife is Canadian and I'm Brit/Can. We are also looking to move/retire to Portugal so and info you come across would be appreciated.
Good luck
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