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the houses here - curiousity

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deangolden
1/12/2017 20:43 EST

Not trying to sound mean or anything, but as I am looking through all the the for sale sites for all the properties throughout Portugal, I noticed that a great deal of them have been left to ruin. And they were pretty nice houses and its like they were just walked away from. I am just curious why noone from the government has not tried to refurbish these places, If they did, they would have alot of rental places for tourist all over the country.

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jmaria
1/13/2017 05:38 EST

if they start that (they have done and still do with the most historic relevance) they would be overwhelmed.

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LovetheBeach
1/13/2017 09:04 EST

I could hazard a guess or two: (1) the government of Portugal doesn't have the money to go around re-habbing old properties, so as the previous poster mentioned, they may only be concerned with buildings of historical significance. And, (2) most cultures outside of North America and a few in western Europe just are not as "entrepreneurial" as we are when it comes to real estate. Tthe general populace is not wealthy enough to go buy up derelict properties in order to build up a rental business. Also, very few countries in the world have as affordable mortgages as North America, or the tax advantages built into the tax system for property ownership. North American culture in particular was built on the idea that everyone should be able to be "the king of their own castle". That is a foreign notion to most countries in the world. Just a few thoughts...

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deangolden
1/13/2017 10:42 EST

thanks, that information was very helpful. So, how does one go about buying a house? I know that they can't just save up that amount of money just to buy. Is their buying process anything like America's? If i wanted to buy a house here, could I go through my bank here (US) and with a mortgage? or does anyone know anything about that? Any information is great information. thanks in advance

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Njleblan
1/18/2017 06:37 EST

I was speaking with a Portuguese citizen on Indian decent and he had just returned from Edmonton, Canada where he is buying a restaurant. He was astounded that "nearly everybody owns their own home there". What has been said by another poster is true. Home ownership is not expected here and is often out of reach for them.
Renovating is horrendous and I have been told by a contractor here that throughout Portugal, the existing structure must be kept in tact regardless of the fact it is just a pile of rubble.

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deangolden
1/18/2017 08:08 EST

wow, thanks for that.

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brascanada
4/5/2017 11:24 EST

Very true about home ownership in Canada. As a canadian citizen (originally from Brazil) I can confirm that pretty much everyone here desires to own a property, even if they are struggling to keep up the mortgage payments. The RE market has been a source of wealth to a lot of people in major cities such as Toronto and Vancouver, and the mindset is that one must own property.

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LovetheBeach
4/5/2017 14:09 EST

deangolden, in most parts of the world, people do indeed "just save up the money". In Latin America and some parts of Europe I'm familiar with, young couples either live with one set of parents until they can afford to rent and furnish a house or apartment, and then if they have jobs that pay well enough, they save until they can buy a lot or piece of land, then wait and save until they can afford to put in the foundation. They continue to save until they have enough to put in the rough plumbing and electrical. Then save some more until they can build some walls, and so on. Houses are built in stages as the money is accumulated. Sometimes family members help out with gifts of money and labor. It is very common in many parts of Central and South America for it to take 10-15 years for a complete build-out of a small home. The homeowners will often move in when the first floor is complete and then continue to build as money is available. In some parts of South America, the home may not be "finished" for many years because the full amount of property tax is not due until the home is "finished". You will often see homes that are only painted on the front or sides, rebar sticking up out of the roof, etc. Also, as the homeowners' parents become elderly, they frequently move in with the grown children and grandchildren, so there's always the possibility of adding another story to the house. In some South American countries the only way any citizen can get a mortgage is to have a personal relationship with an officer in the bank, then the loan may not be for more than 50% LTV, with very high interest rates, and all due and payable in 5 or 10 years. So, short answer, yes, the only way to buy a home in many countries of the world is to pay cash in full. That's one reason many of my friends in South America think Americans and Canadians are all really wealthy -- we "own" a home. They just assume we have the cash to hand over to buy and move in. They don't know that most of our homes are actually owned by the banks and mortgage companies.... And to the last part of your question, most U.S. lenders will not lend anything on a foreign property as there is no way for them to foreclose if you quit paying the loan. You may find a U.S. lender who will lend, requiring collateral on another piece of real estate you own in the U.S. In some cases, you can use a 401K or a Self-Directed IRA to purchase real estate in a foreign country, but you may not be able to use it as your own residence, i.e., it must be an investment/rental property. Consult with a tax professional who is familiar with foreign property ownership and Self-Directed IRAs and 401Ks.

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