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thanatogenos
3/25/2017 04:27 EST

My wife & I have reached our 7th decade of life as humans on planet Earth. It's time to think about where we want to spend our remaining years. We are remotely considering retiring abroad & Portugal is first choice, mainly for the weather. Of course, we would cruise over from USA to visit Europe & then spend some months renting a home at wherever suits us, before deciding to stay.

I've been reading for a couple years & somehow still feel uninformed. Actually, I did learn some things. But some other things I would like to know are still wanting. Undoubtedly this is because I'm somewhat unique. Please allow me to describe a little about what kind of person I am & what attracts me to Portugal, at least from a distance.

I have traveled to Europe but it was the early-1980s & not extensively. I was touring in a band, so rushed through major cities in England & Germany mostly. I do have Euro heritage: grandfather was Romanian, grandmother from Moscow. I am a classically trained Jazz pianist by profession (recording session musician on film soundtracks for many years) & also have extensive experience as an orchestral percussionist at university & in community orchestras.

Although I am thoroughly American, I am considered, for example by friends here in Hollywood, to be distinctively European in personality. (not verbal accent, in sensibility, particularly musically)

Obviously there was a time not so long ago when most American Caucasians were European immigrants. In this way, I am a kind of conservative, without trying. Probably what these people at Hollywood are referring to, is an eastern European thing, as compared to Anglo-American heritage. As everyone knows, many eastern Europeans were/are musical & it's this distinctive personality anyway which apparently stands out about me even though I've never been to my ancestors' nations.

My father, for example, was a classical piano child prodigy who was destined to become a concert pianist but became estranged & then died of cancer before I ever had a chance to know him. My uncle was a violinist with NY Phil & Pablo Casals Fest Orch etc

I was born/raised in LA & have spent most of my life here. Of course, this makes me a weather brat. Reason/priority one for a retirement destination: similar weather to LA.

Why not stay in California? Because, frankly, LA is a hell hole of traffic & overpriced real estate.

Why Portugal? Again, the weather more than anything else. This can't be overstated, in terms of my aesthetic.

During the past two decades, I spent more & more time at home, in the home recording studio, and then in the past few years, even less time in there because I've been working on commercial projects less. This is a good thing, because it has allowed me to focus on my art, my original childhood interests: composing for orchestra & chamber music (Modern classical) which I do in a lovely window room looking out on nature, without any electronic equipment, using acoustic piano & a long table to spread out the scores. It's a healthier environment than spending so much time inside a recording studio & I also take walks or spend time in the garden, which allows me to get plenty of sun (very important for health)

This is kind of a way in which musicians "retire," at least from gigging so much. It keeps you busy & is similar in many ways to the typical writer's life, particularly writers who are inclined toward poetry & nature. As we live now in Woodland Hills, which gives us at least a partial retreat away from the city hustle-bustle, which I despise. I am NOT a city person. Although, I must admit that living near the city has also spoiled me in terms of the culture & other conveniences. It's a love-hate thing.

As a California boomer, I have hippie sensibility, left politically, liberal etc. This is also a factor for my interest in Portugal. It appears, at least from a distance (press, films) that Portugal is the hippest nation on the planet. Is it true? One news report stated that Portugal recently went for a week or so entirely powered by sustainable energy. I have seen photos of the giant wind mills at Lisbon.

I am drawn, to some extent, toward the inland areas where I noticed people have built solar powered homes with gardens or small farms & I also noticed the environmentalist summer festivals in at least one area.

The hippie fests are interesting, but the youth & music is probably not so much suited for me. I am interested, however in the possibility of connecting musically. Probably through Jazz, which I also noticed exists to some extent there.

So far, the best dwellings I could discern which might fit my liking/budget were found in Argave region. Which brings us to the subject of community.

Basically, socializing is not so important to me. Nor is it important to my wife, who is also artistic (sculptress, chef, designer) and a quiet, generally not highly sociable person. We are very content to spend almost all of our time at home involved with our personal creative endeavors and our loving relationship.

Really, the only social needs are for my music relationships. As music is a universal language, I rely on that ability to make connections with other humans. You may or may not be surprised at how much communication is possible between musicians without having the same verbal language. So any language barrier is not so much of a worry for me, other than the basic necessities, for which I understand it's important to find a translator. I imagine someone could be hired?

But there are things, needs we have that are similar to other folks. One is that we love fine cuisine. My wife is such a talented chef, that we don't need restaurants, but it is of course appreciated when we find a good one. Remembering that her cooking spoils us, so we are very picky & usually end up preferring her dishes over most every restaurant we've gone to. She's that good. (she used to be a pro caterer)

However, you can't cook good food unless you have access to good food markets. We are not fish lovers so much as we are beef/chicken lovers, and that is my first hesitation about retiring at primitive islands (Caribbean, Mallorca, Tahiti etc) and possibly Portugal(?) So if someone can assure me that there is quality local cattle, where we are not paying too much for imported beef & poultry because everyone eats mostly fish, that would be reassuring.

Another worry is corruption (business fraud). This is one of the things which has deterred me from considering Mallorca, the corruption I heard about there. As we are not adventurers, we would be easy marks abroad for thieves. Safety is a priority.

Similarly, infrastructure is a concern. Health care, which I understand is actually better, in some respects, than here in USA. Good. But what about water & power? Roads aren't so important to us, as we're not big on auto travel, other than what is necessary. I've had more than my fill of cars after living my life in LA. Frankly, I would not mind if I never saw another car again.

But living in a remote area is really not an option for us, either. We are spoiled. Basically, what we want is the best of both worlds: no traffic but not to be so cut off from civilization that we wont have access at least to affordably well stocked food markets & basic resources like water, electricity & the luxury of a good natural gas stove.

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ESprotte59
3/25/2017 11:41 EST

Greetings from San Clemente CA.

My wife and I just returned from 2 weeks in Portugal and although we didn't plan on this happening on our first trip, we put a reservation to purchase a new condo in Lisbon!

I believe we share many interests and values and would be happy to share our process and the wonderful people we met who helped us make this decision.
Erik
949.689.6035
sprotteerik@gmail.com

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mondayschild
3/27/2017 04:50 EST

With all due respect, it's surprising that you've done research but are questioning the water quality, electricity, roads, and whether the Portuguese eat any quality protein besides fish. And surely you've found out that jazz is very popular in Lisbon. I'd recommend you visit and see for yourself what areas, if any, appeal to you I'd also recommend you try the restaurants. Aside from serving excellent dishes at very reasonable prices, restaurants are a way to learn about the culture. Even the best chefs in the world dine out. Finally, once you start traveling and meeting people, I think you will find that you're not any more unique and distinctive than anyone else. I am constantly blown away by the interesting and talented people I meet here from all corners of the globe. And I think I'm pretty unique and distinctive myself. Good luck to you.

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craigandmicki
3/27/2017 08:26 EST

Every day, another post (here or on Facebook) from someone who has 'done the research' but still asks us "what will the weather be like next week when I arrive" or "can you drink the water". Please, we ALL WANT to help, but it's a lot more interesting, less tedious, more fulfilling when when we know we're helping the help-able.

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dr8k
3/27/2017 09:07 EST

You should visit. I used to live in LA and have been visiting Portugal for the past couple of years. Lisbon and the surrounding arias gave me the feeling of California in the 60's.
What a wonderful and welcoming country.

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Edomshep
3/29/2017 14:04 EST

Hello,
I am too American born and raised in California. I currently live in Dana Point (Orange County).
We are planning to move to Portugal with our young daughters this year and cannot wait! I won't exactly be an expat in the true sense of the word since I am a Portuguese citizen as are my daughters. My husband is not. My parent are Portuguese so I am a citizen by birth right. It will be a different culture for me as well but I do speak the language and have many family members there . I encourage you to consider Portugal. It is a beautiful country with great food, clean eating is possible and organic food is there as well. The country has amazing festivals. In fact, I believe there is a jazz festival
in Lisbon every year. There is quite a music scene in Lisbon. If you haven't heard of fado (our blues) in Lisbon, it is a must! You don't even have to speak the language to understand the beauty of the fado. As far as corruption, I believe it to be much less corrupt than the U.S...let's not pretend American politics isn't corrupt because it is . There was a corrupt politician in Portugal some years back but unlike the U.S., he was removed from his position and I believe imprisoned. We are a newer democracy and have had economic struggles but with this new leftist prime minster and administration, ware bouncing back quicker than expected! Portugal has had the highest GDP growth of any country in Europe for the last two quarters! As far as safety, I look at research often and follow annual reports. On the Global Peace Index which is research based on over 20 variables, the U.S. is ranked 103 and had been declining. Portugal is at number 5! The UN has also
identified Lisbon as the safest capital city in Europe. We will be living in Lisbon. Most people in Lisbon speak English, like 80% but there are also lots of expats in Cascais area, Algarve and Oporto. Also, I don't think retirement income is taxed in Portugal...not certain but believe this to be true. You can see how proud I am to be Portuguese...people are kind, it is a gem of a country with beautifully protected areas and even the capital is relatively safe. Let me know if you have any questions!

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Almamia
3/30/2017 13:37 EST

Hello Erik,
Reading your post about so many things in common where you wrote yur phone number, Can I contact you also?
My name is Alma and of course planing to visit this year Portugal.
My email: maramed1 @yahoo.com.
Regards

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