Really? RT is a state sponsored tabloid.

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RT is a far more reliable source than the media here (which are all owned by only 6 companies). You will only get the approved narrative in Unmerica. In contrast, I have heard RT openly question just about everything. Nobody got fired or demoted or whatever.

In Unmerica, however, several hosts of "news" shows have been fired for doing much less. Keith Olbermann got canned from M.S.N.B.C. and CurrentTV for not towing the party line and not following the allowed narrative. He is only one example (I can think of about 6 others right off the top of my head, including Dan Rather, Ted Koppel and Tom Brokaw).

So which one is the mouthpiece? Which one fires people for going against the approved narrative?

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How did you come to this conclusion? Do you have any understanding of Russia and its media De-Evolution? All major media outlets in Russia are controlled by the Russian Government vs all being independent 10 years ago. RT is an english language mouth piece for the Russia government.

Not to mention the avalanche of new laws restricting content ownership and broad laws created to crackdown on opposition viewpoints
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55izx6rbCqg

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/03/04/russia-today-abby-martin-video_n_4894981.html

You are very naive if your position is that people dont get fired for toeing the line.

You have admitted that you have no background or understanding of Russia. How can you get up on your soapbox. I lived there for 12 years and think I might have a slightly better idea about these things than you.

Actually journalists get killed in russia for going off message. 56 journalist confirmed murdered since 1992. The US with more than twice the population had 5 in the same period. lets not talk about the constant beatings and intimidation.

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Really? Who controls the Russian media? All of its controlled by the government. Who do you think funds RT? Its the Russian governments foreign language propaganda machine.

Really? Russian journalist's dont get fired? They get fired, beaten, murdered you name it.

Where do you get your facts?

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The HuffPo article you linked to does not support your claim. Quite the contrary. Quote:
Pacing the Washington studio, Martin continued: "Just because I work here, for RT, doesn't mean I don't have editorial independence and I can't stress enough how strongly I am against any military intervention in sovereign nations' affairs.
"What Russia did is wrong."

And she uttered those words 10 months before she left RT. Unlike Dan Rather who was ousted in 2 weeks, give or take.

Then, in May of 2014 she refused a direct order from the RT bosses to do a report on the ground in Crimea... and she did not get fired or demoted. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/03/05/abby-martin-rt-video_n_4901967.html?1394014155

I'd say that RT has treated her pretty well despite her outspoken views and her refusing to go to Crimea as her bosses wanted.

She has not released any statement on why she left RT so your post is pure speculation at this point. Time will tell as they say. My guess is that she became an instant celebrity by criticizing Russia's actions in Eastern Ukraine and now she wants to land a big salary job at one of the top networks, either in the US or EU.

She may have left RT to get out of the crosshairs of the lunatic fringe here. She has been the target of death threats and threats of rape in connection with her criticism of 'American Sniper' Chris Kyle: http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/put-on-your-raping-shoes-and-find-this-btch-abby-martin-is-the-latest-target-of-crazed-chris-kyle-sycophants/

Your youtube link leaves me even more confused as to how you believe it corroborates your view. She spoke her opinion and quit on air. It happens. Here's one for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYedmQK_mWM

Guess what. TV hosts sometimes quit and sometimes we don't know the reason and sometimes we do. Speculation and innuendo prove nothing. I say let's wait for the truth to reveal itself. If she lands a well paid gig at another network then I'm a better guesser than you. And, instead, if she never works in the media again then I may see more validity to your point of view. Time will tell.

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On the question of who funds RT I can only ask, "who funds NPR?" Who funds Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty. The first of which is wholly funded by the US government but rarely falls in lock step with the allowed narrative of the day.

Radio Free Europe (also called Radio Liberty) was paid for 100% out of CIA funds, is pure propaganda, was designed to be so from the start, and continues to do so in other parts of Europe to this day as far as I have been able to find. https://notevenpast.org/persuasion-propaganda-and-radio-free-europe-the-new-archive-no-9/

I ask you, who are the "good" people? Which is the "bad" nation?

And the question of who controls the media is really moot. We get one message here. The Daily Show's Jon Stewart has made sport of this on numerous occasions by playing video clips from different news shows on all the major channels using the exact same phrase, shown in rapid succession. It tells the true story of the media here: that there is one "hot" phrase of the day and all the networks fall in line and repeat it over and over. So, do we have a "free" media? Or is it controlled by forces inside or outside the government? I don't know and frankly I don't care. It's all the same.

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Really? Have you ever lived in Russia? I was there for 12 years. I think most people that have would support my view. The fact your screen name is a bunch of random numbers makes me think you might be one of the army of paid Russia trolls posting on message boards around the world.

Was I claiming NPR, Radio Free Europe or Radio Liberty were independent media outlets? No. but that was how I read your premise. Am I wrong?

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Really? Have you ever lived in Russia? I was there for 12 years. I think most people that have would support my view. The fact your screen name is a bunch of random numbers makes me think you might be one of the army of paid Russia trolls posting on message boards around the world.

Was I claiming NPR, Radio Free Europe or Radio Liberty were independent media outlets? No. but that was how I read your premise. Am I wrong?

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Mr. Bob Rey (if that is your real name).

Your ad hominem attack against me is based on my screen name?!? What if I told you those numbers are the ones I use to play the lottery. Or that they hold some other special significance in my life somehow. How would my screen name in any way impact the validity or veracity of my posts? Attacking the person and thereby skirting the issue is an old trick that rarely works to make people believe you. Quite the opposite in fact. It shows everyone in the world that your character is flawed.

Discuss the facts and stop slinging mud (or don't bother posting).

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I like the fact you ignore my facts, dont answer direct questions and misdirect with an attack. It is common knowledge that the kremlin uses internet trolls. you appear to be an obscure island and hiding your identity.

What is your background with Russia if you are such an expert and know better than I?

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Mr. Bo Brey (not your real name but who cares),

You claim to have been in Russia for 12 years, as if that lends any credence to your posts. This is a logical fallacy called Appeal to Authority. "I've been in Russia 12 years so I know which media outlets there are real and which are fake." The two have nothing to do with one another.

What were you doing in Russia? Perhaps that would give us an idea why you feel that makes you an expert on the media there.

As for NPR, mea culpa, I forgot that NPR also has corporate sponsors and accepts donations from the public. So it is not 100% government funded. But they still do not tow the line for either the government or the corporate donors.

But Radio Free Europe and Radio Liberty are and were exactly as I described them: tools of propaganda and misinformation. American media used to proudly claim them as one more weapon in the fight against "Godless Commies" and in world war two but since 1991 I haven't heard any mention of them in the press. They are still in operation but simply have moved on to different parts of the world, their propaganda job being completed in the Slavic region.

So you rant against RT, which I have shown is very tolerant of government criticism, but in the same breath you dismiss Radio Liberty and Radio Free Europe.

In other media outlets in Russia, as seen on youtube, Vladimir Putin sits for over 2 hours answering questions from the audience. Many of the questions openly criticize their government. Where in America can you find the President or members of congress in front of TV cameras for 2 hours answering any and all questions from citizens? I'll tell you where: NOWHERE, at no time, never.

I can recall numerous times when public officials (Republicans especially) ran out of a meeting to avoid answering an audience member's question. Yes, they actually left in a hurry rather than answer a question from a citizen of their country. You have the internet and you can do a search just as we all can so I don't need to give you the facts: they are there for you to find.

Do some research before you form opinions. It will help you in the long run.

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I didn't ignore your "facts" because, frankly, you posted no facts at all. Unless you call "I think most people would agree with me" a fact. I, good sir, do not.

I await your reply that actually contains facts or proof of your claims.

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Call it what you want. I think it’s a bit funny that someone that has never been to the country is lecturing me on how things work there. I have firsthand on the ground experience in Russia. You have none.

I worked mostly in commercial real estate but my profession and the fact I did not work in media does not exclude me from observing the move from independent media to direct media control of the government. This is now extending into print. They continue to draft legislation to choke independent media sources.

Its wiki but it gets the idea across https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_the_press_in_Russia. Do media companies in the US have agendas and tow specific lines? Yes. Are the obligated to tow the government’s line? Nope. In Russia flip that to government controlled and obliged to tow the government’s line.

Where have I used to Radio Free Europe or Radio Liberty in any of my arguments? You keep pulling them in. You put forward RT as an independent media source and more reliable than western media and called you on it. You comparing the gal on RT and Dan Rather is a joke. Yes they are both media outlets that must answer to their bosses. One is independently owned and one is government owned. How are they comparable?

Well if you ever get to Russia you realize how silly your statement regarding Putins call in show. What you call off the cuff and unscripted is carefully managed and executed. It’s a show for people like you that think its real. Yes there are some zingers in there. But he has carefully prepared answers ready to give the illusion of what you describe.
You last line takes the case. Show my statements to anyone that’s spent any amount of time in Russia and they’re likely to support everything I’ve said.
You are the one that comes off as ignorant as you’ve obviously done no research on press freedom in Russia. I only saw after my last post that you are looking for advice with regards to a move to Russia which further dilutes any credibility you might have had. You opinions are based on loose theory and belief while mine are based on experience.

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Obviously you have your opinion and no amount of actual facts, backed up with links that actually support those facts, is going to change it. I see that now. What a waste of my time.

I had to laugh when you wrote that US media don't have to tow the government line. Example: in the drum up to invade Iraq in 2003. Where were the corporate media whores standing firm on their journalistic principles and actually investigating the false documents that Colon Powell trotted out. Where were the journalists standing at the window screaming that we should NOT attack Iraq.

Phil Donahue, for decades a beloved TV personality, got fired for going against the approved script by saying we should not be going to war with Iraq.

You think government ownership of the media is worse than its ownership by a cabal of 6 mega corporations? My friend, you don't know what you are talking about.

Research "Self Censorship" to find out the truth about the media in the west. All it takes is to fire a few key people and everybody else gets the idea and falls in line. It's rule by fear.

And you say that governments owning media is the worst. That is your opinion and, of course, you are entitled to it. But I do not share your opinion. Journalism today is dead in all but a few spots in the world... and they're going to "fix" that problem soon.

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You're a moron and I really do hope you make it over to Russia. You're going to deserve every second of it.

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I only said I was considering a move to Russia and that was in another post so I'm not sure why you're bringing it up here.

To be perfectly honest, it doesn't matter to me where I move to. All governments are corrupt, in every country, every part of the world including the US.

What the public wants / what is in the best interest of the public doesn't ever get done. The only thing that happens is that the rich keep getting richer (economic downturn, they get richer / economic boom, they get richer). The system is rigged everywhere. I know there is nothing I can do about it so why bother / why lose sleep over it. I have enough stress already :))

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if you think its better in Russia you're in for a very rude awakening.

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I keep extending an olive branch and you keep smacking me in the face with it. I'm done with it.

Peace be with you. Be good to those you love and who love you.

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Why don't you come back home soon? It is much better here. We are going to get a new president soon to make things better.

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My guess is that they were a Russian troll spewing propaganda but if in fact they were a what they said they were I doubt they had the sack to move to russia.

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Who lives in Russia in this forum? I wonder how it feels to live so close to the American nukes aimed and ready to go. It will take just seconds for them to reach their target.

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Conflict profits and empowers those who use the government for their own gratifications. So, while the people, the nation of the US and RU have more in common than in conflict, media, etc. generate lies to prevent union, and peace.

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And how does it feel for those who live in US?) I was born and raised in a town near military base with Satan intercontinental missiles))

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No fear among the general public in the US. Also, the disabling shields give some comfort.

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In Russia it`s the same

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Don't buy Russian propaganda, either.

News programs broadcast on Russian-language Planeta/RTR television often contain segments that indicate a not so subtle paranoia with respect to the US.

If a viewer had little access to other news sources and were prone to giving full faith and credit to what Planeta/RTR broadcast, s/he'd think the US was preparing for war against the Russian Federation.

Such programs must be aimed at an ill-informed, not very well educated, and gullible audience. Individuals who do not realize that the average American has many other and far more urgent concerns than armed conflict with Russia.

If anything, the average American is frustrated, if not disgusted with Russia's support of the Assad regime in Syria and Russia's failure to address the plight of Syrian refugees.

The recent broadcast of a concert at Palmyra by Saint Petersburg's Mariinsky Theatre Orchestra to mark the reconquest of Palmyra and the removal of many of the ISIS/ISIL laid mines is an example of the cynical use of high culture to mask the cold, calculating politics underlying Russia's support of the Assad regime.

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The average US citizen is concerned about the economy and effect of the illegal immigrant issue on the economy. Islamic terror is also a concern. Russia is not in the top five.

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Did you hear that Ed Schultz newscaster was fired from NBC because he was vocal about the TPP? Now he joined RT and is their American news anchorman. He is free to talk about the TPP and other trade deals he does not like.

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The left trying to protect hillary prior to the election. Sadly hes also going to find himself talking about a lot of other stuff he likely wont like. The RT is pretty bat sh#t crazy for the most part.

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It's a sad amusement to track the attitudes of politicians and others toward TTP. Mr Obama, as you know, is urging its passage. But since the presumptive heiress to the throne and her former rival were opposed -- most of the Democratic and Progressive persuasion have fallen into line.

Since Mr Trump, the presumptive GOP candidate, has also spoken out against it, most Republicans who wish to be seen in a proper light oppose it as well.

I, for one, think most politicians and few outsiders do not understand the TTP. I wonder how many have read enough of it and understand what they've read well enough to be able to explain it faithfully to someone like you or me.

It's so easy to blame the US' economic woes on NAFTA and its sisters w/o reflecting on other laws that have brought things to this pretty pass. So easy for the Congress ignore the truth in Pogo's remark: "We have met the enemy and he is us!"

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You sound like a troll for the globalist agenda.......If you really look into the TTP, you find out that it just further erodes the little sovereignty we have left......Trump is saying the right things mostly, but it remains to be seen if he follows thru......Hes already waffling on at least two of the principal campaign issues on which he based his candicacy.........Btw, the BBC is British govt funded as far as I know, and spans the spectrum of excellent documentaries to globalist slanted news, not to mention endless repetition...........RT looks mostly pretty damn good to me.......and Putin has done a remarkable job at avoiding provacations intended to make him do something stupid. Mostly its the West who has been making the stupid moves, and Russia doing the right thing coming to the aid of the popularly supported (mostly) Assad regime. I commend him for it, and for outstepping the diabolical mendacious moves of the Zionist cabal who rules the west........Putin is a breath of fresh air compared to what we now have here in the West......Its pathetic and so is your attempt to defend it...........

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Well put. It is the globalist propaganda, which is not in the best interest of the US ... people, so, while it is voiced by US sources, it is not anything the American citizenry promotes.

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Sorry you see me as a troll. As to various trade agreements, if properly negotiated they're what we need. Most of the US jobs lost since NAFTA wouldn't be here anyway and won't come back. What needs to be done is to provide training for those who've lost jobs and who want to and are able to work. No matter what Mr Trump does about about bringing back coal, we'll never be mining it as we were in the 1st half of the XX. Nor will heavy manufacturing ever play as great a role in the US economy as it once did. Perhaps if and when the space program takes off more manufacturing jobs will be available. Otherwise until the US retools, offensive war is alas one of the few things that will bring about full employment....Not everyone will want to or is capable of mastering skills needed in the information and biotechnical age. Gov't, business, those responsible for secondary and higher education need to cooperate in the preparation of coming generations for interesting, important, and productive work....There is no media outlet without a point of view. In the States MSNBC and FOX are prime examples of biased reporting. Even the New York Times succumed to bias reporting in the runup to the election and is now trying to recover its credibility. For many the Times' credibility is like virginity: once lost, it can't be regained.... Putin's misadventures in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine are too much like Hitler's in the Sudetenland and Austria to need comment....He was remarkably naive if he thought the West wouldn't impose sanctions. If he makes no moves to threaten the Baltic states or Poland, the West will make no more moves to counter him. One must hope that Trump is a better chess player than Obama....From all evidence the Assad regime and the Russians appear to be committing war crimes, crimes against humanity by bombing the eastern half of Alleppo. Would that all parties could resolve it lest it continue as long as the conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians.... There's no need to buy government or business propaganda. A healthy scepticism is a first-order requirement of making it through life w/o developing various noxious complexes. A person needs to get the best education (s)he can, find a job (s)he enjoys, develop hobbies, contribute to the betterment of society, perhaps raise a family, among other things....Remember what Mae West said: You only live once, but if you do it right, once around is enough.

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H.L. Mencken said that no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people. Unfortunately, many Americans are uninformed or misinformed about the value of free trade agreements.

Many Americans have taken some of Mr Trump's statements literally, whereas they were exaggerations, attention getters that will have to be modified when he has to deal with Congress, those inside the Beltway, and his peers in the EU and elsewhere. Besides, only two types never change their minds: fools and the dead. Mr Trump may learn facts or become aware of opinions that will persuade him that positions taken during the presidential campaign should be modified or abandoned.

It's also said: Give light, and the people will find their way. Let's hope Mr Trump provides more light and less smoke and mirrors. At any rate we won't know what he's doing until he's serving as president -- after 20 January 2017. Now there's still much talk and little or no action, except nominations to various cabinet and other positions.

Isolationism isn't the answer to America's economic problems. Surrendering national sovereignty isn't either. Let's hope Mr Trump finds a balance than will produce prosperity and satisfaction for the American people and will enable America to do more good and less harm in the rest of the world.

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Have you seen or read the latest interview with Assad? He is sooo right about Erdogan: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article45853.htm

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We have seen in the recent election "how corrupt the U.S. media was always BASHING TRUMP , and posting little on corrupt Clinton! I have nothing against women, but she has taken so many bribes for influence from Goldman Sacks etc. to the Saudis .

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Much of what Secy Clinton has done is quite suspicious. Unfortunately, we have only our suspicions and Mr Trump will not call for a special prosecutor. Too devisive and politically unwise.

Mrs Clinton lost the election herself. She represented the continuation of Mr Obama's widely unpopular presidency and was not a charismatic candidate. It will be interesting to see what she finds to do now that for all practical purposes she's finished as a mover and shaker in the Democratic party.

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