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guest user
3/17/2001 23:20 EST

" My husband & I are moving to Riyadh for the upcoming school year. Questions I haven''t been able to get answers to so far: 1. What is the process for bringing cats to Saudi? Can anyone share personal experience? 2. I love swing dancing & am just getting started on latin dancing. The chances for me to be able to continue doing this in Riyadh are a. good if not public or b. nonexistent. Which one?? Also, will my instructional videos on dancing be in danger of customs removal? 3. Lastly, we both have laptop computers & wonder how long, if any length of time, they will remain in customs for them to be ""checked out."" Or do they mostly just check on CDs, DVDs, & videos? We want to be able to keep up with our families here by email/internet ASAP & will need to get internet service basically right away. Any suggestions? Thanks! "

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guest user
3/17/2001 23:21 EST

" Cats etc. I urge you seriously to reconsider your plans to move to SaudiArabia. If you are asking if you can bring your pets and laptops into the country I fear you have no idea of what you are going to. (Have you asked your sponsors these questions?) I speak from experience. I was employed with my husband by a well respected, westernised family. When we arrived our passports were taken from us and kept by your sponsor. Bear this in mind. It will feel as if your rights have been stripped from you, before you even start! You will not simply be able to board the next flight home if you feel you have made a mistake. Do you have provision for an exit visa?.... Quality of life is all important (and God knows, our lives are too short) so do not be tempted by huge salaries. This is the tip of the iceberg. It simply isn''t worth it. "

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3/17/2001 23:24 EST

" I''ve lived in the Eastern Province of Saudi Arabia for the last six years. This Province is considered to be more liberal. Riyadh tends to be more conservative. I know many people that have brought dogs and cats over as pets. I don''t know your situation. Will you be living in a western compound or in an apartment? If you are on a compound it shouldn''t be a problem. Many people have brought pets with them. The only problem would be if you are living in a Saudi families home. There are vets here, at least in the Eastern Province. Also I would bring my laptops with me on the plane. They shouldn''t keep them as you go through customs at the airport. We have several different companies that we can use to sign up for internet access. Also about your dance videos. If you have a resonable number to carry in your luggage with you on your flight, do that. I usually hand-carry (in checked in luggage) at least 10 videos every year. Then if there is a problem you can explain what the videos are for :your own personal use at home, that you are studying dance. Unless they are real suggestive and scantily dressed individuals on the tapes, it shouldn''t be a problem. I hope this helps you some. Also I would check with the company in Riyadh that you will be working with. Maybe they can put you in touch with someone there that can give you advice on what to bring and what your living accomodations will be like. "

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guest user
3/17/2001 23:25 EST

" 1. The cats present two problems. The first is that, because there are thousands and thousands of cats in Riyadh (hardly any dogs, because they are Haram to Muslims), the Customs officers will wonder why anyone would bring more of them here. Hopefully, someone with actual experience of bringing cats to Riyadh (if anyone has) will see your question and advise - I do not know anyone who has done so. The second, and more serious, problem is that the next country you travel to will insist on quarantine for the cats before admission. This I do know about, as two of my friends recently moved to Australia from Riyadh, taking cats with them. Before they could be admitted into Australia, the wife had to reside in Bahrain for 6 months while the cats were quarantined there. During this period, the husband continued to reside and work in Riyadh. After the 6 months, they went on to Australia. I understand that there are vets in Riyadh, but not many. 2. The laptops, as Ms. Diede says, should present no problem if in carry-on. However, you will find that there are different rules for first-time arrivals than for ""experienced"" expats. All luggage of first-time arrivals is usually examined more rigorously than repeaters. Remove, hide, or otherwise conceal any files of sexual, pornographic, Christian, Jewish, Hindu, or other ""possibly"" inflammatory material (including ""Western"" dancing). 3. The dance videos present another problem. They still have one of ours, and all it had on it was a dance lesson from an old Oprah Winfrey show. We do have ballroom dance classes and dances in Riyadh (lots of them in fact, including black-tie affairs), but we don''t dance where they can observe, and we don''t allow locals in our dances. I occasionally do a gig as a DJ. This spring they are tightening the screws a little, and the Muttawa (representatives of the Office of Call and (moral) Guidance) have disrupted our ""bazaars"" in Riyadh, although ""Faure''s Requiem"" was presented last night (it was excellent). Muttawa pressure ebbs and flows like the tides. If you can, postpone importing the tapes until a later trip, when you will be a repeater. 4. There are, I believe, 38 licensed ISP''s in Saudi, and most operate everywhere in the Kingdom. I pay SR (Saudi Riyals) 190 per month for unlimited usage (about Cdn $73, or US$ 50). Lower charges are available for users who require less time. Unfortunately, bandwidth is not as available as in North America, so slow transmission is a problem. 5. I am a Canadian Chartered Accountant and Management Consultant, working for an agency of the Saudi government, and I love it here (after 10 years of being here). You can''t count the activities you can participate in and enjoy here, and most expats suffer because they build walls in their mind that would not otherwise exist. Ms. Westwood (whoever she is) and my wife have not enjoyed it here. If your attitude is wrong, you''ll suffer. If you want to learn about other cultures, societies, religions, and temperaments, this is the greatest place in the world. If you have an open mind, you will find Saudi logic much different from ours, but there is an underlying logic that can be found if you try. Personally, I find the logic of the Brits and Americans here just as difficult to live with as that of the Saudis. Life is what you make it. Name any place in the world where that rule doesn''t apply. 6. Rule #1 for ""getting by"" in Saudi is ""It''s easier to obtain forgiveness than permission"". "

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guest user
3/17/2001 23:26 EST

" Kathryn & Bill, Thanks for your very helpful information! We don''t have children; our cats are our babies (I''m sure we''re not the only ones who treat our pets this way.) It''s true that Australia & UK have strict quarantines; I doubt that we''ll be going to either of those countries to work though. It''s hard to predict where we''ll work next, actually. We''ll take that one country at a time. Thanks for the tip about first time arrivals. Does it help that we''ve both lived extensively overseas? (Germany, India, Pakistan, Jordan, UAE among others). We''ll be sure to carry on the laptops (we do in the US anyway). Did you (& others) buy laptops outside Saudi & bring in, with or without the proper adaptors for local electricity, or did you buy them there, or did you buy other power adaptors there? If you have dances & classes already in Riyadh, we won''t bother with our own videos. We''re up for dancing whatever is going around; it increases our abilities! How do we get tapped into the circuit there? We''ll want unlimited usage of internet. It''s possible we''ll get it through our jobs... Any way to get T1 access? (that''s what I have here :) I''m probably just dreaming, right? We are both really looking forward to moving to Riyadh - thanks for helping make our transition smoother! Becky & Joel "

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guest user
3/17/2001 23:28 EST

" I know a few people that do swing lessons in Riyadh...I can try to find the phone numbers for you. Also, make sure to get in touch with American Community Services,ACS, a great place for contacts, meeting friends, weekly movies, trips in and out of KSA, library, flea market, etc.... BE patient....it''s a different world. Let me know if you want contact names. Regards, Nevine nevine@mindspring.com "

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guest user
3/17/2001 23:29 EST

" ACS (American Community Services) 482.9604 US Embassy (assuming you are American) 488.3800 Kathryn...her son is the Swing Dance Contact 482.2506 Helen Henry- Director at ACS, great contact 488.7611 ext109 Lasting Smile Dental Clinic 464.0216 Hope this helps.... "

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