" Hello expats. I''m about to leave for the Netherlands on May 23rd. I will be certified to teach English as a second language by the end of June, and I teach college level biology and English here in the states.My question is.....I keep hearing how the Netherlands needs teachers, but when I try to do a job search, I''m told over and over that I need a work permit first. Then I find out that I need an employer to apply for the work permit for me, if I am the only suitable applicant that they can find, and that no native can fill the position. Is this all true? I need an employer to get a permit but a permit to get an employer? Help! Even the English speaking job employment agencies have said, work permit first. Thanks for any help you might be able to give. H. Howell "

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" Hi - My experience says this is true. My experience consists of having come here understanding the paradox (over six months ago), having a major expat company working my issues, and waiting still for my permit. I love it here, have been registered with the foreign police (complete with passport insert), etc. My advice is to enlist the services of an expat assistance company, and be prepared for an adventure. Good luck! Cheers...Gary "

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" Gary, I''m in a similar situation as the bio teacher. Could you name some of the expat companies (do they apply for teachers?). Thanks, Peter "

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" Hello. I work for a company that specializes in the work permit/visa process worldwide. It is true that most countries (including The Netherlands) require you to have the job, providing you with a employer/sponsor before you can apply for the work permit/visa. In the work permit/visa process, the government is checking to insure that the sponsor is compliant with all laws and regulations, that there isn''t a local that is qualified and able to fill the position and that the foreign candidate is qualified. If the schools/companies are telling you to secure the work permit first, they probably aren''t familiar with the processes or are not willing to go through the effort on a foreigner''s behalf. If you do find employment and need assistance with your permits, please feel free to contact me. Good luck! Hilary CIBT Global Immigration Services, Inc. www.cibtimmigration.com "

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" Peter - I suppose that these people will handle anyone willing to pay. KPMG did my papers, but I see Price Waterhouse Coopers and others of the big five (is that still the number?) here as well. Upon receiving the work permit after about eight months, it was just yesterday that I picked up my residence permit. I was on holidays for two weeks, so it could have been a few days earlier, I guess. Only the 30% ruling left to go! Cheers...Gary "

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