I let my ukrainian wife from nikolaev read this and she is very interested in what you say. My wife is well known in nikolaev as she is an.important business woman here. Being that nikolaev is very small, my wife probably knows thus woman. If you want you can PM me her name and we can check her out. But it seems you are very confident in her so you may not want this. My wife asks why you wait 2.5 years. This is very disturbing to my wife that you wait this long for a woman you say you want to spend the rest of your life with. She says that the single.most thing you should do is come for this woman because your woman may not say now but she will always remember this. My wife says she can better answer your question if she knew more about this woman. She says it is important what clothes you wear and how you will come across to her family and friends. If you have good manners and good hygiene. If you are confident and can present yourself well to.her family ans friends and children if she has. Nikolaev woman very much care about what others think about them because of the small nature of this city. So bare that in mind when you come for her.

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I let my ukrainian wife from nikolaev read this and she is very interested in what you say. My wife is well known in nikolaev as she is an.important business woman here. Being that nikolaev is very small, my wife probably knows thus woman. If you want you can PM me her name and we can check her out. But it seems you are very confident in her so you may not want this. My wife asks why you wait 2.5 years. This is very disturbing to my wife that you wait this long for a woman you say you want to spend the rest of your life with. She says that the single.most thing you should do is come for this woman because your woman may not say now but she will always remember this. My wife says she can better answer your question if she knew more about this woman. She says it is important what clothes you wear and how you will come across to her family and friends. If you have good manners and good hygiene. If you are confident and can present yourself well to.her family ans friends and children if she has. Nikolaev woman very much care about what others think about them because of the small nature of this city. So bare that in mind when you come for her.

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OK 007, I will give you my experieces in this issue, take it for what its worth!!! I meet my wife on a web dating agency also...Anastasiadate.com. Many hate this site, and for good reason I will add. There are nice ladies on this sight for sure. Scammers for sure. Translators that work for the agency that are scammers. This is true!! I have a friend that has traveled to Ukraine 5 times, struck out each time, I will pass on what we have learned.

First positive you have done right is you have Skyped with her, her face I assume matches the pictures you have been looking at, and adore!! Glad to know you have not been writing letters to a man that weights 300 lbs. )))

2) There is one big issue you must realize, your friendship so far has only been a web friendship.....no more no less. When you step off the plane it all starts all over again. You showing up in person moves you up the ladder 1 step. Many men on these dating sights are sad, miserable, married men. They will never go to Ukraine, or go for 1-2 weeks to just party....never be serious.

3)I hope the lady you are speaking with is no more than 10-15 years younger than you......much beyond this age gap is a waste of time. If she is 20+ years younger than you, most likely she is more interested in your American money or a Green card. And if she is 20+ years younger than you, shame on you....you deserve what you get!!

4) If every day you are there you are droping $200-$300 each day for expensive restraunts, wine, cloths, shoes, I phones, I pads, run like hell you are being played. If she really is interested in you going to a park is fun. Going to Mc Donalds is ok. Just walking around town to see the city is fun for you both. Think with your big head, not your little head !! Have wise judgement !!!

5) If she is serious, she will want you to meet her family. Maybe not her girl friends.....because in Ukraine their is stiff compition for men. She will not show you to her beautiful friends being afraid of loosing you to them)))

Be mentally prepared for seeing Ukraine for real the first time, their are many beautiful places in Ukraine. BUT, their are many poor run down places in Ukraine also. Dont put down Ukraine, show interest. Dont act like a rich stuck up American ass, like you are better than them. Your American money does not make you a better person.

You will learn over time Ukraine people are more different than most likely any you have ever meet. They are so down to earth, so pure, many dont care about money....because they have been poor for so long.

It would be good to take her shoping a few times, buy her nice cloths and shoes to show you are not selfish, and you really have interest in her. Ukraine ladies like to dress very nice !! Just use good judgement is what is enough, and what is to much shoping.

6) Family is very important to them, family is a high priority to them because many others they could not count on in life when the chips were down. There religion is important to them also, Russian Orthodox, or Cathloic makes no difference. You will see and observe this for your self.

7) You must learn to accept many ladies in Ukraine want to meet an International man so they can better their life. There is nothing wrong with this. Why do all American women want to meet a man that makes $200k a year, drives a Porche, has a home worth 500K. American ladies are gold diggers !!!

But, Ukraine ladies are different in many ways. more serious about family, more loyal to you...be good to them, they are good to you. Ukraine ladies keep a very clean home unlike american ladies. Ukraine ladies like to cook, American ladies want McDonalds, and Pizza Hut because they suck at cooking.

Ukraine ladies are very special and unique, remember this. GOOD LUCK!!!

And they are even more beautiful in person than their pictures )))

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Very good na67, couldn't have said it any better. 100% true.

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Good advise NATE: (Think with your big head) etc.
It seems you've been wiretapping my house the last 20 yrs. Albina does not like me overpaying 50 cents for things, "why to help THEM out!" And Drs. can go "bark @ the moon for thier bills, (to agree with you)! I got 2 today,into the trash, "they seldom help the patient, and want to live the rich life!" That is what's killing the ins. companies, gov, taxpayers. "YES , we do eat garbage in the U.S.." Albina says she had caviar, in Moscow when Breshnev was in office.She prefers salmon on whole wheat or rye. Our daughter ordered a Pizza Hut today, and I got free burrito @ Moe's, a free birthday grand slam this morning @ Denny's., and yes I DID get GRITS! My daughter wants a Michael Kors handbag, and a black Dodge Charger. It is my fault we don't have servants like Trump.,and Albina would definately prefer to live in Yalta or Krasnodar, with plenty of non-GMO fruit and veggies,blame it on Monsanto. Albina is conservative, and does not care if I do not make 100 grand a yr. but I still must make another 30K in the mkt tho., my pension is too small. I remember working 50 hour weeks like you.

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Skyping with her is a good indicator. There is no way to pretend to be someone else as with chat where you cannot see the other person on the other side.

Good luck, I hope it works out.

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Good post NA67, I have to say ditto to all of it. Especially the part about meeting family and friends, that is a huge step for your woman. You are doing well when that happens.

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Also 007, take a gift with you for her like some perfume, this will get your first day off on the right foot !!

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And when you do meet her mother, you need to bring a gift, preferably flowers.

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My opinion only...I have found two things that women are very particular about: clothing and perfume. I would never buy perfume for a woman unless she specified the brand and type.

For a first date, flowers, chocolates are great. Sounds corny for Americans, but Ukrainian women love a man that is romantic. Help her with her coat and her chair when you sit down. Open doors for her...etc. etc.

After a couple of dates, you could take her shopping and tell her you would like to buy her some perfume. That way she can pick out what she likes.

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Or a bottle of wine.

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Hi DRD,, First of all great !! Getting here asap to see this woman shows a lot to her. Extreme's wife is right, she will not forget it took you 2.5 years. One other thing nobody posted..Be yourself..If you cannot do that you are in for a short relationship..Yes, use your manners, yes dress nice and everything else you read, but if your going to have to be another person so this lady likes you, forget anything long term, it just wouldn't work for YOU after a couple years..Good luck Cali man !! I'm from Cali too, Ojai....I'm in Odesa about 100 miles away from Nickolaiv..Nice town it is, been there a few times...

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Also, what american women think is stylish on a man is not what a ukrainian woman thinks is stylish. Maybe because my wife owns a clothing store and is sensitive to style and fashion, maybe it's just her. Maybe an older woman doesn't care as much. My wife is 36, so still young. I thought I looked good when I first arrived. We were in kiev and my wife took me to ocean mall and made me by some skinny jeans and new shirt and shoes so I look like a ukraine man. You all would laugh to see these jeans. In America, only faggs and metrosexual wear that stuff. Oh, and today I finally broke down and let her talk me into one of those man purses all the ukraine men wear. Lol

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Uggh!! Dude...not the man-purse....

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Come on scott, how can you deny such a beautiful woman? Lol. She wants you to know that if we were in america she would never do this to me because she would respect the style and culture of america. That she would never make me into a fool in front of my peers. But it is handy to carry tablet, phone, passport and other documents you need in this country. She as she did this to make it more comfortable for me so all my pockets wouldnt be so full.

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It still looks stupid...sorry...of course, if I had a woman to please like your, maybe I might allow myself to look stupid too...LOL!

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Olya says, "thank you " and she forgive you. Lmao.

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It's good she has a sense of humor :)

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Skinny Jeans, Man Purse Extreme !! Pretty cute......Shootka shootka !! Reminds me of myself 5 years ago. And Extreme man, I bet I'm about 10 years older than you...I say that because I had the purse and the jeans and now all that stuff is in the trash !! Being from Cali, and the age I am, i'm into comfort. Ya designer stuff but comfort is my way...Your following my footsteps to a T.. My wife has a shop also, and she's probably about the same as your's.. Is your wife's shop at the bizzare ? And you two shop a lot at 7km to fill the inventory right ? Anyway, I finally convinced her to rent it...And we own a park station and I bet you do also..Hey, it's all good man, maybe George and I will come up to visit ya when I return. Gotta go for the month of June, boooooooooo !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Kk, you don't know how good that makes me feel. I thought I was the only one that had to do this. My wife's shop is on Lenina ave. On the western side of nikolaev. It's on the ground floor of the Foxtrot building. Her shop is called Roxi. About every two weeks we go to 7km and fill the whole car with clothes.
Did you say you persuaded your wife to rent a container there? Also, what is a park station? Yes it sounds like your about 10 yrs older. I'm 46 and my wife 37 as of may 6th. Hopefully in a few years I can throw this stuff in the trash. I told olya this and she told me I will have big problems if I do. Lol

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Ordinarily I'd vote on the side of comfort rather than fashion. I am 54 and never was one for name brands and what's "in" this year. But we guys must always remember: Happy Wife, Happy Life. If it makes her happy that you blend in then why not.

One other side to that is she may be concerned about your safety if you stand out in a crowd and your clothes scream "Hey come and rob this rich foreigner" -- and maybe we should all try to blend in more if that's the case.

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DRDJMPHD007, from reading your moniker, I suspect you earned the title of 'Doctor', as did I. I read all these comments by the denizens of the Ukraine forum and I just had to add my 2 kopeks about the clothing issue. I have been traveling to Odessa 2-3 times a year for 6 years and I have lived there as a 'permanent' resident for the last year. I dress there the same way I dress in America: Ball cap with various logos, western shirts with button down pockets, denim or dress jeans (not tight), an insulated vest (when the weather is cold) and my Crocs (I wear Crocs every day, winter or summer, when it isn't raining or snowing). Never have any of my friends, dates, or girlfriends suggested that I dress any differently. I walk the dark streets of the 'shady' parts of Odessa at night with no fear. People walk up to me on the street nearly every day and ask directions because they think I am a 'native'. The point is, if you have a girlfriend that has a clothing fetish, then that is one of the things you have to accept...do what you have to do to keep her happy. (A man purse??? LMAO!) But in reality, wear what is comfortable for you. If your woman or her family base their 'go-no go' decision on your clothes, you need to keep looking.

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Thank You to all whom responded to my First Posting on this Web Site!
Especially extremevx and Russophile!
Although… I have been corresponding with this Nikolaev Woman for a while… I am as yet still gleaning info on and about her!
The real challenge is to go over there and Meet Her Face-To-Face!
If she checks out to be legit…I shall be the happiest man I know!
I have compiled all the pertinent info and pursuant to the “Do’s and Don’ts’… I think I may have a pretty good idea of what to do when I meet this Woman!
Better Yet… What NOT To Do when I meet her!!!
My Project that I have been working on for a couple of years is coming to fruition by August and then I plan on going over to meet her in September!
I shall continue to gather more info from all my contacts on this Web Site and hopefully Not make the same mistakes that many have made going before me to Ukraine!
Thank You again for all your help!!!!

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Dr. D, you are going to make mistakes. That's half the fun. The most important thing is to take yourself off the "Just Another Foreigner Who To Chat With" list that your lady has, perhaps only in her head. Be here in person so she can meet you for the first time. You two obviously have chemistry or she wouldn't have stuck with you for 2+ years of Skyping so the odds are that your relationship will deepen and take that step to the next level.

Totally agree with the "be yourself" comments, but do remember that you are not in Kansas anymore when you come here and it is true that the women prefer different things in their man than an American woman would. Read my comments above about happy wife = happy life.

Best wishes for a successful visit this fall.

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