kimkensok
8/2/2014 11:54 EST
The US, Canada and even Panama have alot of Chemtrails. When we were in Uruguay for a week I never saw one. Does anyone know more about this terrible action...if they do it down there? We want to head to the southern hemisphere, but were shocked to find out Monsanto is there with their GMO crops....thanks
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Morell
8/2/2014 16:27 EST
This is from the Chile forum.
We see them all the time. They cross the sky in different directions making chemtrails & eventually the trails spread out to form an unnatural looking hazy cloud barrier across the entire sky. What is regularly a beautiful blue sky morning turns into a hazy, white sky. I am surprised others do not notice it and seem not to remember how beautiful & clear blue the skies used to look with big fluffy white clouds EVERYDAY---vs. nowadays, you mostly see white haze covered skies or skies with giant white lines. People must just not spend that much time outside or looking at the sky, I guess. I asked a local guy who recently completed his agricultural studies about the chemtrails in Chile & he said that he has seen them creating clouds all of his life. He does not remember a time when they did not do it. I told him that lots of people in the US don't like it & even protest that they are making artificial clouds in the US. He thought that was funny & said that the farmers here like it when they create the artificial cloud cover because otherwise their corn would die. His attitude was that they were a good thing and he saw nothing unusual about the practice....so, just my experience.
As for large multi-national corporations operating in Chile, Nestle, PepsiCo, CocaCola,DelMonte, & Dole all have a large presence here. Lider Grocery Stores=Walmart. I have been told that Walmart supercenters are on the way as well. If one looks, however, it is relatively easy to find local fruits & vegetables from local vendors. I am not certain where the vendors get their produce from though. I do know that not much is organic or labelled as organic & the use of chemicals/sprays & roundup is popular at least on the local farms (small & large) that I have observed. Unfortunately, the chemicals have made farming so much easier & increased the productivity & reduced the labor intensity so much, that I believe the chemicals are everywhere & are here to stay.
(Most of the produce in Uruguay is produced the standard way and organic products are very limited and few places carry much that is labelled organic. )
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CharLyons
8/2/2014 16:45 EST
Greetings,
GMO's Chemtrail etc is exactly why I moved here. That and the radiation doesn't come down this far either..Uraguay is one of the safest places to be on the planet right now. UY does import some food from US. I just stay away from those brand names, Coke, Miller, Hellman's, catsup etc....Hurry get out of the States before Oct. this years....Good luck, if there is anything I can do to help. Shoot me a private email. Or look for me on FB (look for lions)...Peace and Blessings
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kimkensok
8/4/2014 16:59 EST
In this case, its confusing. 2 replies to my forum subject. Are you in Uruguay then? Please reply back personally, oK. Not sure if you are Char or not. Would love to connect with you...like-minded souls. We will be near Piriapolis in Jan. or sooner.....confused, but I think you said come before Oct. Why is that? We were aiming for January...hoping my husband will fall in love with our little house near Piriapolis.....let's stay in touch. Please reply personally. thanks!!! Kim and Steve
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crazyfarmer
9/4/2014 19:40 EST
We came from Chicago, where there was a tic tac toe sky every day. Down here, I occasionally see a line that looks suspicious, but for the most part, there are no chemtrails. This might only be because there's practically no air traffic. And I wouldn't be surprised if they started up at some point.
I had a conversation with two people working in a tile store. A 20-something man who was the manager, and an 18 year old girl. The man asked me if I was growing anything, like tomatoes. I said that I didn't want to grow tomatoes like they do here because of GMOs. The girls asked me why GMOs were bad. So I talked about how the tomatoes make insecticide inside the tomato making it impossible to wash off and what is this doing to your body, etc. She claimed that they do make insecticide inside the tomatoes, but that you're not eating it. ????? I asked where the insecticide went. The phrase she used was "se fue". Which I translates to something like "it goes away". So, um, yeah. Not a lot of common sense going on here with regard to these things. The locals also are totally in love with fungicides and glyphosate. So consider who is spraying what next to you when you buy property.
It's fairly easy to avoid GMO food here though. One trend I've noticed over the last couple years is that more and more US food is making it here.
I picked up a can of Del Monte spaghetti sauce and read the ingredient list. Usually, they put a spanish sticker over the english ingredient list. But this time, I could read them both. The spanish list read like "water, tomatoes, salt, garlic powder, onion powder". The english list included all kinds of chemicals we like to avoid including high fructose corn syrup. So I wouldn't trust the labels here at all.
Another thing we've noticed is that just within the last two years, the people are obviously fatter. My wife and I looked huge compared to the locals when we arrived. Now, we look normal. I think in the US, they had 30 years to perfect all the chemicals, but here they dropped them all on them at once practically over night. When you mix that with their terrible diet, it's a recipe for obesity. It seems like many of them practically live on hot dogs and coca cola.
Aspartame, HFCS, MSG, yeast extract, modified corn starch, partially hydrogenated vegetable oil. GMOs, bleached flour, refined sugar, breakfast cereal, preservatives, nitrates, it's all here, and with weak or non-existent labeling laws. And the locals appear to be mostly uninformed about the dangers. You can even see it in the cooking oil. When we first arrived, we started buying olive oil and sunflower oil. Now, most sunflower oil is cut with 10% corn oil. Gotta get your corn. :-/
The chicken feeds also appear to contain antibiotics and god knows what else, but at least no arsenic like in the US. At least the beef is mostly still grass fed. But feed lots are starting to pop up, and they think it's a good thing. I also hear they're getting ready to import US chickens into Uruguay for some crazy reason. You must not eat these.
And one last thing. Many people are on well water here. So they fluoridate the table salt instead. You can be certain that this is the salt you'll get in restaurants. I'm not sure if OSE puts it in the water also or not. It's easy to get a version of salt at the store without fluoride. It's Urusal. You want the one that says yododada (iodine), but not fluorodada. And on the back of that bag, there's a nice little message in Spanish that says, "This product does not contain fluoride, a nutrient necessary for health." :-/
brian
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Morell
9/5/2014 08:35 EST
Depends where you locate.
Here is Atlantida there is a small selection of items in the supermarket such as some herbs or lettuce. At the weekly feria, there is occasionally a small stand of a few products and there is a farmer about two miles out of town who sells a selection of products in season once a week.
There is also a small Health Food store with dry goods in town.
If you move to MVD, your choice would be much bigger but if you go somewhere smaller, you may find none.
I am not sure how stringent the requirements are to labelling so someone saying their product is organic may not meet the standard you would expect.
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Morell
9/5/2014 08:45 EST
My opinion of people here getting fatter is the increase in cars as people here get richer. Friends of ours who have been here about seven or eight years said they saw few cars back then and most people walked or used bicycles or buses around their area. Now cars have really increased and fewer folk are walking. There are also more motorbikes.
Unfortunately the driving skills have not kept pace resulting in a death every 15 hours on the roads.
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crazyfarmer
9/5/2014 13:14 EST
Hi Morell. I've heard this explanation before about what's causing weight gain here. And I completely disagree. We've seen this happen already over the last 40 years in the US. 40 years ago, obesity wasn't a problem in the US. People ate just as much then as they do now, including big American breakfasts with eggs and bacon and a gallon of butter. We also had mostly big cars. There have never been a large number of motos in the US like here. And things in the US are so spread out that you have to drive everywhere. It's impractical to walk to the store or anywhere else because it's just too far. And outside of the downtown areas, the US has practically no public transportation system.
As they added chemicals to the food in the US, people got bigger and bigger, while their health declined with all kinds of diet related diseases.
What causes obesity is unnatural chemicals in food and food without nutrients because of depleted soils. Now Uruguay has both.
brian
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Morell
9/5/2014 17:53 EST
I think people have to take a little more responsibility for their own obesity than blaming it on others. If you eat more than you need you gain weight. Either do more or eat less, it is not that hard.
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eyebright
1/14/2016 13:06 EST
Are you still living there?
I am in Colorado and everyday, chemtrails up the wazoo.
I am really depressed over what is happening to this country. Been researching places and Uruguay is one of the choices.
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cms2
4/27/2016 13:21 EST
What other areas are you considering to be safe? I'm currently looking to escape the chemtrails (and gmos) that surround me in Maryland. Thanks!
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musclearms
4/27/2016 15:23 EST
What you eat also can have an impact on your fat ratio. I never ate fried foods or ketchup with modified corn syrup but after I started eating them I got the big belly.
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letsmove
4/27/2016 19:19 EST
Raw milk is available out in the campo. In Montevideo? I never saw it there. Ask around who has milk cows and they will probably sell you some. I live near a tambo (dairy) who sells their milk to Conaprole but I can bring my jar and get fresh raw milk.
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musclearms
4/28/2016 20:01 EST
With the trade treaties that the US is promoting GMO will be the food of the future unless the country resist signing the agreements. I am amazed that Uruguay did walked out of the opportunity to sign for the free trade deal because the citizen protested.
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musclearms
4/28/2016 20:04 EST
I agree with you. Uruguay is the safest country so far. It will be far from the nuclear radiation.
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