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Morell
  3/28/2015 19:09 EST

You might want to read El Pais for the latest info. You asked for opinions. Sorry you don't like the answers.


Here are links to those stories.

http://www.elpais.com.uy/informacion/cerro-norte-fuera-control-delincuencia.html

http://www.elpais.com.uy/informacion/patrullero-baleado-recorrida-colon.html

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carlitos
  3/28/2015 19:10 EST

Dear, I grew up in Montevideo, and a little town in Brazil, since I was super young that I cannot even remember I was brought here to spend summers. My neighbourhood was la Union, 8 de octubre y Feliz laborde, about 2 kilometers from Av Italia, it was back in 72 when I was just 6 I started to become aware my mom and I were coming here, I loved here, when I was just 10 I could jump in a bus and go basically everywhere, by myself or with friends, which I had a lot. Back then everything was different. Now the mentioned place is close to a big slum, and bad guys rob everyone, including children and old folks. I believe the difference between the violence you mentioned from LA and the one in here is pretty much the access people have to jobs, housing, money and goods. Most of the robberies here are to get something, and the bad guys don't measure and consequences is not only gang war is a total lack or respect to the other.
this happened few blocks from the above mentioned place:
http://www.elpais.com.uy/informacion/asesinan-anciana-anos-robar.html
if you follow the papers you will see that there is a lot of violence, I sent a link to you in a PM, the content of the video happened today. I am really sorry if you don't like what I am saying, but it is reality and we love Montevideo and the Uruguay, but it needs to change.

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crazyfarmer
  3/28/2015 23:13 EST

I'm just chiming in to say that the violence here in Montevideo ain't nothing compared to a typical US city. I think the Uruguayans are upset about it because it's definitely getting worse and not like they remember it being. But you're still way behind the US in terms of violent crime.

We're witnessing the collapse of the greatest empire the world has ever seen. And it's causing problems all over the world... economic problems, cultural problems, morality problems. Uruguay is no different. Expect it to get worse, not better. And when the people here clamor for more police protection and tougher laws, they'll likely get more police state instead.

Unless people understand the direction the *entire world* is heading in, then stand up in unison to stop it, this trend will continue.

Nowhere is safe. But some places are safer than others. And for now at least, Uruguay is safer than a lot of places.

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carlitos
  3/29/2015 07:17 EST

this was on the paper today and happened close to colon norte,

http://www.elpais.com.uy/informacion/dueno-comercio-dio-muerte-carli.html#article-comments

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kimbo47
  3/30/2015 00:21 EST

Plume520
I guess the expats on this forum are too proper AND too nice to give you the answer you deserve. I guess I will have to do it.

I want you to know you are WAY OUT OF LINE by your response to the members of the expat community in UY in a negative and unresponsive manner to put it lightly. You don't know these good people that graciously and in an uninterested manner, take the time to post on this forum providing us with their experiences and asnwer to our questions. How can you dare to say they are negative and don't like UY? If there is any negativity, is in your uncalled attack to the expats community just because you didn't like their honest answers to your questions or you SIMPLY CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!


I'm also researching UY to see if its a fit for me and thanks to the large amount of information provided by the expats in this forum as well as the answer to my questions I can cut my visit to UY to just a week or two. It would have taken me over 2 months to accumulate the knowledge I have acquired on this forum. Not only did I get the answers to my questions but also their personal experience which is invaluable. I can't thank them enough.

I have not always gotten the answers I would have liked to hear but I did get the HONEST answers which is what I wanted no matter how ugly or good. Every big city in this world not only usually has all the services and entertainment you may desire but with all that also comes the increased crime. The first thing I do when I travel anywhere in this world is to find out what areas not to visit. That is a NECESSITY, that is if you value your life. You should be thankful you have gotten solid REAL information. Sorry you didn't like it but that is the world we live in today.
I don't understand you. You are asking questions about areas you have already visited and stayed in???? Since your husband is fluent in Spanish and you have experience staying in the country why don't you hop on a plane and go visit these places in MVD and find out for yourself, since the expats answers seem to irritate you????

Anyway I wish you a lot of luck in your search but I strongly believe you owe all the good expats folks in this educated and respectful forum and APOLOGY for your UNFOUNDED accusations and rabid response.

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Morell
  3/30/2015 08:03 EST

You might be interested in the Crime Index on Numbeo which shows NO DIFFERENCE between LA and Montevideo!

http://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Uruguay&country2=United+States&city1=Montevideo&city2=Los+Angeles%2C+CA

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MHargraves
  3/30/2015 18:51 EST

I lived in Montevideo 5 years ago. At that time you were more likely to be killed in a car accident (ie walking across the street and being hit by a car) than being mugged, shot, raped, or harmed in any way.

All of my friends told me to avoid Buenos Aires because it was so dangerous. Could some of this crime you talking about be coming from there?.

Truth is, you need to learn where to go and not go no matter where you live. There is no safe country. The days of kids walking to school, playing alone in parks, leaving your house and car unlocked are gone.

The less people have, the less they have to lose,

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crazyfarmer
  3/30/2015 20:28 EST

Morrell, I grew up in the Los Angeles area. I don't believe these numbers for a minute.

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Morell
  3/30/2015 21:03 EST

Official homicide rate in Uruguay in 2012 was 9.19 per 100,000. LA 's rate in 2013 was 6.3 per 100,000.

Does not really matter what you might want to believe.

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crazyfarmer
  3/30/2015 21:33 EST

Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

Your obnoxious trite remark works both ways by the way.

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Quyn
  3/31/2015 05:49 EST

Whereas the crime index difference on Numbeo between Montevideo and Cape Town is very enlightening indeed - Montevideo here we come!

Cannot wait. But advice on where not to go has been useful too.

Thank you.

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edykizaki
  3/31/2015 06:12 EST

where to go and not to go...

yes, it is useful! thanks everyone. It makes me want to chat with some of my friends here in Montevideo to get more details and I'll share any insights I get.

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EdNewYorkCity
  3/31/2015 12:53 EST

Pros and Cons. I did a little research and surprisingly to me most of the crime statistics for the “whole country” of Uruguay match almost exactly the statistics for Montevideo. Obviously the first conclusion is: if Montevideo has almost 100% of the crime in the country that means the rest of it has close to 0% crime rate. Most expats live in the safest part of Montevideo (by the cost) or all along the cost all the way to Rocha. Another significant statistic is that in the past few years the number of dead due to crime is around 260 per year. Most of the dead were also criminals meaning that violent crime against regular civilians is still very low in Montevideo and almost non existent in the rest of the country.

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EdNewYorkCity
  3/31/2015 12:54 EST

Pros and Cons. I did a little research and surprisingly to me most of the crime statistics for the “whole country” of Uruguay match almost exactly the statistics for Montevideo. Obviously the first conclusion is: if Montevideo has almost 100% of the crime in the country that means the rest of it has close to 0% crime rate. Most expats live in the safest part of Montevideo (by the cost) or all along the cost all the way to Rocha. Another significant statistic is that in the past few years the number of dead due to crime is around 260 per year. Most of the dead were also criminals meaning that violent crime against regular civilians is still very low in Montevideo and almost non existent in the rest of the country.

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crazyfarmer
  3/31/2015 16:36 EST

Good point Ed. It's not uniform across the entire country in any country.

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edykizaki
  3/31/2015 16:47 EST

I can add that all I have heard from expats living outside the capitol indicate that there is petty theft in the countryside too. I have heard several times "we kept being robbed till we got dogs and then it stopped" "the alarm companies didn't work but you are ok if you have some big dogs". Needless to say although I'm allergic to dogs I would certainly have some if I lived in the country here.

As for violent crime, one rarely seems to hear of it.

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wengin
  4/1/2015 20:20 EST

Hi Plume520,
I would like to make a strong input to this forum. I feel real entitle to give my opinion because I was born and raised in Uruguay, Montevideo. I have travel a little all over and lived 14 years in the States which I love dearly.
I happened to live in different States and most of my time New Mexico, working in Albuquerque (southeast). I worked for Courts and Sheriffs and can absolutely tell that the crimes and gangs that I happen to be closed to, are really not imaginable. Now, Uruguay has been always a fairly peaceful place, people in general don't like fights or confrontations. Not long ago you could walk completely safe anytime, any day, anywhere., but this situation has changed, everything changes and unfortunate lot of them for worse. There are millions of factors affecting our society in a negative way and we are just victims of the fact of globalization, internet, poverty, fake models, drugs, money, you name it. Uruguay has lately became more violent than it used to be, for sure. There have been always conflicted areas like "Cerro" specially the North side and so many others. The problem is that population has increased and no supportive factors. We came out of a long dictatorship that left the country in misery and since then Uruguay has been trying to recover, not at the fast pace as it should. We are still paying the price of those times. Extended disadvantaged groups make their homes in "barrios" neighborhoods where they can just settle and take a piece of land. In these way we have barrios that didn't even exist some time ago and unfortunate there are many of those.All these new "barrios" receive mostly people living on the edge although there is always hard workers all over.
With these being said, I have to agree with my Expat friends that Uruguay is still a wonderful place to live and also have the borders and doors open for those that want to leave. Nobody is forced to be here, thankfully! The Expats group is a wonderful group that share their honest opinions and experiences hoping to be helpful. Sometimes we don't hear what we want to hear but anybody is up to attack anybody. These can go on and on... have to... Thanks!

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wengin
  4/1/2015 20:21 EST

Hi Plume520,
I would like to make a strong input to this forum. I feel real entitle to give my opinion because I was born and raised in Uruguay, Montevideo. I have travel a little all over and lived 14 years in the States which I love dearly.
I happened to live in different States and most of my time New Mexico, working in Albuquerque (southeast). I worked for Courts and Sheriffs and can absolutely tell that the crimes and gangs that I happen to be closed to, are really not imaginable. Now, Uruguay has been always a fairly peaceful place, people in general don't like fights or confrontations. Not long ago you could walk completely safe anytime, any day, anywhere., but this situation has changed, everything changes and unfortunate lot of them for worse. There are millions of factors affecting our society in a negative way and we are just victims of the fact of globalization, internet, poverty, fake models, drugs, money, you name it. Uruguay has lately became more violent than it used to be, for sure. There have been always conflicted areas like "Cerro" specially the North side and so many others. The problem is that population has increased and no supportive factors. We came out of a long dictatorship that left the country in misery and since then Uruguay has been trying to recover, not at the fast pace as it should. We are still paying the price of those times. Extended disadvantaged groups make their homes in "barrios" neighborhoods where they can just settle and take a piece of land. In these way we have barrios that didn't even exist some time ago and unfortunate there are many of those.All these new "barrios" receive mostly people living on the edge although there is always hard workers all over.
With these being said, I have to agree with my Expat friends that Uruguay is still a wonderful place to live and also have the borders and doors open for those that want to leave. Nobody is forced to be here, thankfully! The Expats group is a wonderful group that share their honest opinions and experiences hoping to be helpful. Sometimes we don't hear what we want to hear but anybody is up to attack anybody. These can go on and on... have to go... Thanks!

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Morell
  4/2/2015 17:58 EST

Sorry to report that police are investigating what seems to be a murder of Alex/ Las Garzas at his home near Pan de Azucar.

He was an expat who had a B&B and blueberry farm.

http://www.maldonadonoticias.com/beta/policiales/2068-investigan-homicidio-de-un-reconocido-productor-de-ar%C3%A1ndanos-de-zona-oeste.html

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focus
  4/2/2015 20:06 EST

Word on the street is he grew more than blueberries.

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