Allwewantispeace
8/27/2015 09:58 EST
Hello expats,
I bought a house in uruguay. I shipped my container. I am in the u.s. Right now, but my flight to Montevideo leaves September 8th. This post is a request for suggestions of all the things I need to do between now and then.
My goals are to open an account at either the brou or itau bank so money can be transferred monthly, and to gain residency status.... Uruguayan passport. I would also like to buy a van and have my internet turned on. My Spanish is still terrible.
I will have my birth certificate and container packing list apostilled at the consulate in NYC.
I am concerned about mandatory vaccinations. I have been fully vaccinated, but how do I create a document which will prove that to the authorities?
Can I buy heirloom seeds there, or should I try to bring them with me? I know, I know that is frowned upon, so I'm hoping that they can be purchased there.
What documents to I need to have notarized here? Tax returns? How/where do my documents get translated? Which ones?
Interpol?
Tetanus?
What am I overlooking?
Thanks to everyone. I am bringing my mother Diann, my brother Alex and an amazing German carpenter/remodeler whose name is Matt. We cannot wait to be there and settle in. Looking forward to eventually meeting everyone.
Peace to all.
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Morell
8/27/2015 11:26 EST
You only need a tetanus certificate. Your doctor there should be able to give you that. If not, they will give you the shot here.
Do you have Proof of Income? Ours was pension income and it needed to be legalized by the Government in Canada.
Then your income source needs to be verified by an escribano here. They will write a letter for Immigration. You will need to have an escribano tell you what they need to see and the monthly amount.
Documents are translated by official Government translators.
You might want to look at this.
http://totaluruguay.com/18ce4/GETTING_YOUR_URUGUAYAN_IDENTITY_CARD_CEDULA
It is probably a little different now but will give you an idea of the process.
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edykizaki
8/27/2015 18:02 EST
As for vaccinations, only the tetnus is required and they'll just give it to you free if you don't have your records.
There is a mammogram and pap required for women up to 60, and then they change a little...and don't need at all over 65... bring records if you have them, don't think they need to be translated but they can be here if necessary.
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carlitos
8/27/2015 18:09 EST
I read that some doctors say people can develop tetanus after receiving the vaccine.
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Morell
8/27/2015 18:14 EST
I read that you cannot get tetanus from the vaccine.
http://www.adultvaccination.org/vpd/tetanus/facts.html
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carlitos
8/27/2015 19:22 EST
Dear Morell,
While I appreciate your response I went to mr. google and research a bit and found this one:
http://www.mommypotamus.com/when-to-get-a-tetanust-shot/
what do you think?
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Morell
8/27/2015 20:03 EST
She describes herself as just a Mom with no formal qualifications so I do not put much stock in her opinions.
She does include the link to the CDC
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/tetanus.html
which states
It can be inferred from protective antitoxin levels that a complete tetanus toxoid series has a clinical efficacy of virtually 100%; cases of tetanus occurring in fully immunized persons whose last dose was within the last 10 years are extremely rare.
Regardless of ones views about vaccinations, if you want residency in Uruguay, you need a tetanus shot.
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Allwewantispeace
8/28/2015 15:28 EST
Hello Morell,
Thanks for that link - Good information there. I like that they give addresses and even descriptions of which doors to enter. Remember that TV show: The Greatest Race? Getting residency is exactly like that TV show: Rushing around, language barrier, no street signs, parking challenges and so on...
I'm a giant fan of vaccinations, so I'm looking forward to getting fully re-vaccinated in Uruguay - just after drinking a huge kool-aid.
How hard will it be to find heirloom seeds?
Will it be difficult to purchase typical vitamins?
How long will it take to complete the purchase of a vehicle (typically)? Is registration straight forward, or a very difficult process?
I regret not disclosing my name in my original post.
Thanks to all,
Max.
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Morell
8/28/2015 16:11 EST
I have purchased seeds from Germany which arrived here fine in a plain white envelope..
I am sure you could bring commercial seed packets that are sealed with you with no problem. But you may find many northern crops do not do well here due to the high humidity, moulds and insects.
You can find basic vitamins I believe, I have not ever looked for them.
If you buy a new vehicle, which I recommend, everything is pretty easy.
We bought a VW sight unseen as the cars are kept in a bonded warehouse and the Dealers don't want to pay the taxes until they are sold.
The dealer ( Punta Motors) drove the car to our house from Punta del Este and then took us to get all the paperwork done including plates. He had given us the insurance options prior to this and we had already paid that.
No charge for this, he seemed surprised we thought this was great service.
From what I have heard buying a used car is much more complicated and slow plus many of the used vehicles are in rough shape and overpriced.
If you are able to register as a farmer, there are certain vehicles you can buy much more cheaply. I am sure someone can fill you in on this.
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kimbo47
8/28/2015 20:19 EST
Check the medical insurance requirements for your mom. Depending on her age there may be additional requirements or no insurance at all.
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Wanderlustspirit
8/31/2015 08:13 EST
We had to get 4 years of tax returns apostilled for BROU. Our notary connected us with a lady that translated these for us. You will want to get your drivers license in Montevideo as I understand that other locations may require some Spanish skills.
Hope is a smooth transition for all of you. Where have you chosen to settle?
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myvoodoo
9/20/2015 22:45 EST
Why would they require a tetanus vaccine when tetanus is not a communicable disease?
Vaccines are not inert or safe medical procedures.
Reported tetanus vaccine adverse events include redness, swelling and pain at the injection site; headache; fatigue, sore and swollen joints; muscle weakness; fever; chills; nausea; shock; neuropathy; convulsions; encephalopathy; paralysis; Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS); death;
A review of the medical literature by the Institute of Medicine concluded that there is a causal relationship between tetanus toxoid and both brachial neuritis and Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS).
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Morell
9/21/2015 06:51 EST
I read somewhere that tetanus shots were required by troops going overseas in times of war because of the risk of infection during surgery in unsanitary conditions. Whether this has anything to do with the state of the hospitals I cannot say
Here you usually have to show you have received the shot prior to surgery as well as to get your Health card for residency and for employment.
If you question the reason for the many odd requirements here, you will go crazy!
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letsmove
9/21/2015 12:35 EST
If it ends up you having to get the tetanus vaccination, get it here. It is a single antigen. In the states it is combined with 1 or 2 other vaccinations like D&P. They don't tell you that in the states. Tetanus is serious stuff but read about it. It's easily avoided as it cannot live in oxygen.
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nickspm
9/21/2015 13:55 EST
Good point!
There are also several places that offer ozone therapy and hyberbaric oxygen therapy in Montevideo where one can go to get oxygenated quickly.
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kimbo47
9/21/2015 14:10 EST
Great question about WHY tetanus vaccine is required? I have the same question and are not very inclined to put anything in my body unless I have no other choice. Maybe some one from UY can answer the question. How about it Carlitos, Brian?
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kimbo47
9/21/2015 15:09 EST
Be careful Hyperbaric therapy is a medical treatment for the Decompression sickness and not to just get oxygenated. Its oxygen under high pressure and specified time both defined by the DR. supervising the treatment. It can have adverse side effects on some people. Normally you get gases and affects vision where you can't see well but usually goes away in a few weeks. I just had a member of the family go through this for a wound that wouldn't heal.
Be careful where you go and make sure they have the latest chamber with the top totally transparent to help claustrophobics. I would recommend a hospital. Since this deals with pure oxygen you have to be very very careful how its applied and MUST follow all the rigors of the application rules to avoid an accident. A few years ago a private business providing this treatment exploded and killed a few people for not following all the rules of application carefully.
You can't use perfume or any make up and need to shed your clothes and wear a robe made with cotton only as well as wear a grounding bracelet.
So don't believe you can just go and get oxygenated!
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crazyfarmer
9/21/2015 15:15 EST
From what I understand, tetanus doesn't exist in Uruguay. Yet the vaccine is required. Also, tetanus is one of those diseases where once they know you have it, they can give you the vaccine and treat it. So again, why all the hype about getting it right now right now right now.
Just questions.
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Morell
9/21/2015 16:38 EST
Seems cases have dropped since the 70's and 80's.
Could it be due to mandatory vaccinations?
https://www.quandl.com/data/WHO/56_URY-Total-tetanus-number-of-reported-cases-Uruguay
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letsmove
9/21/2015 17:33 EST
I understand it is in Uruguay but is very rare. Usually from mud or manure on a farm where you have a cut or puncture. You can just wash the wound and boil it out with hydrogen peroxide. Air kills the bacteria. It only exists where no air can get to it.
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nickspm
9/21/2015 20:15 EST
You're completely right. An accident like that would certainly defeat the purpose of the treatment. A hospital would be the way to go.
It is supposed to be great at healing wounds---and even reviving brain cells left idle for years after terrible accidents.
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kimbo47
9/21/2015 21:00 EST
The question is Why is it MANDATORY? Shouldn't everyone have the liberty to decide if they want it or not as well as other vaccines?
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carlitos
9/22/2015 06:48 EST
it is mandatory, as some many things are mandatory because not so many people stand and say I am not doing this anymore.
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kimbo47
9/22/2015 14:29 EST
You are totally right. We live in a world where there are too many sheep lining up to have their heads cut off w/o question..
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ismael
10/7/2015 18:44 EST
@kimbo47 and there's even more who have no idea of the issue at hand yet oppose.
First of all, for those commenting about oxygen treatment, it is ineffective. The concentrations of free oxygen (that is, not within red cells) required to kill the bacteria are too toxic to be a viable treatment.
Tetanus is mainly treated with tetanus immune globulin (unless you're allergic).
The vaccine has undergone extensive research, is deemed safe, and you definitely don't develop tetanus from it (which doesn't mean you can't develop tetanus after the shot from a cut or whatever, but is extremely unlikely if you are healthy).
If you're a pregnant woman, not getting the shot means the fetus is unprotected at birth, and if develops it (could easily happen if the birth doesn't happen at a hospital), not only it will suffer a very traumatic experience, but might as well die, fatality rates are around 30% for babies.
It is an extremely painful experience, it causes major damage to the body (specifically: muscle, skeleton and nervous system), and mortality rates are over 10% for otherwise healthy middle aged person. So it would seem as if the benefits greatly outweigh the risks in this case.
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nickspm
10/7/2015 21:54 EST
ismael,
Ozone therapy has been used to treat tetanus for well over a hundred years.
See page 5 of the following pdf. link
http://isco3.org/antigua_web/files/Ozone%20Therapy%20and%20Its%20Scientific%20Foundations%20ISCO3%20November%2018%202012.pdf
Also ozone therapy successfully saved many wounded soldiers from bacterial infections during WWI.
Even today, gangrene and bacterial infections that require almost immediate amputations to save the the patient from infection---can still be completely avoided by bagging the limb in a plastic filled with Ozone.
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kimbo47
10/7/2015 22:24 EST
Ismael,
I believe you are a bit confused. HYPERBARIC THERAPY DOES WORK. A member of my family just finished 30 dives last month and her wound which would not heal is TOTALLY healed. Also is the only EFFECTIVE TREATMENT for the bends and many other problems. It is just too expensive.
So please educate yourself with the issue at hand before sounding off.
My comment did not have anything to do with treating Tetanus with Hyperbaric oxygen. As a matter of fact it had nothing to do with treating Tetanus period. I 'm not a doctor so I can't comment. Are you one?
My comment was: why is it mandatory? I like to have the FREEDOM to decide what goes into my body not some bureaucrat. And I'm not a fan of vaccines unless I deem the rewards higher than the risks. But I determine that for my body NOT anyone else, you can determine what makes you happy for yours.
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ismael
10/9/2015 09:52 EST
@kimbo47 not a MD, but I do have some knowledge on pathogens like that one, although I consulted with a friend who is MD before making the comment. But you're right, it works for wounds, I just thought you were talking about Tetanus.
As for why things like this are mandatory, well... different cultures have different perceptions about freedom and the intervention of the state in day-to-day life.
Also, priorities are different than in the north. Social security and health systems work very differently, and many things that might seem irrelevant could in fact be costly for the state, so it must do something.
Other vaccinations are going to be mandatory because of epidemic risks, and in those cases since effectiveness depends on the coverage level, your rights are "overridden", so to speak.
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ismael
10/9/2015 10:17 EST
@nickspm: I could also produce a nice PDF saying whatever I want, and that one doesn't even references any research, let alone any reference regarding tetanus.
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Morell
10/9/2015 10:24 EST
Yes, and several studies have found that medical info online is inaccurate about 5o% of the time. The rate is up to 75% on personal websites and blogs.
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kimbo47
10/9/2015 13:41 EST
Ismael,
I see you seem to be comfortable with the State intervening in your private life I'm not!
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nickspm
10/9/2015 18:49 EST
ismael,
As long as I have a choice, I will avoid vaccines.
Vaccines are commercial bio-weapons intended to lock-in future profits..
Tetanus, whether activated or deactivated, can not survive in the presence of oxygen. That means tetanus definitely can't survive in the presence. of (O3) Ozone.
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Allwewantispeace
10/9/2015 22:09 EST
Hello all,
We've been in Uruguay for over a month now. Things we forgot:
Cork screw to enjoy the local wine, vice grips for tightening just about everything, maps to plan your day with - gps is nice, but it's not a mapa, winter clothing because it's cold here, binoculars to see the amazing tropical birds, peanut butter because there isn't any, teflon tape to stop leaky fittings, baking soda to alkalize with and most importantly: don't wear white shoes here or you will be the only person wearing white shoes.
This post turned into an interesting discussion about tetanus shots. Because Uruguay provides healthcare at no cost to its "citizens", they want to keep their people healthy, but how many expats want to be citizens? What are the advantages of citizenship?
In order to have free healthcare we have to give up our personal sovereignty? We must give up our freedom to choose what is best for us? So socialism is tyranny? Count me out. I don't want your healthcare, all I want is my freedom, even if it hurts me in the long run. It's my choice. Keep your crazy drugs away from me and my family.
Morel, 50-75% of statistics are proven to be untrue? According to who? Surely you can see the irony in your statement. I personally think that the cdc and fda have lost their moral authority and I no longer give them the benefit of the doubt.
On to recent events: We've been having a great time fixing up our campo, learning Spanish, shopping in Maldonado, day tripping on the beaches of punta del este and exploring the backwoods of the el Eden area. Today we built a bookcase with local eucalyptus wood.
We need a contractor who can do spray expansion foam insulation on our ceiling. Any suggestions?
Thank you all,
Max
(All we want is peace)
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10/9/2015 22:25 EST
One site
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/accuracy-of-medical-information-on-the-internet/
Peanut butter and baking soda are available here in many supermarkets, health food stores and for baking soda pharmacies.
Most people belong to a Mutualista for healthcare, the free service is mainly for the poor and unemployed.
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kimbo47
10/9/2015 22:44 EST
Max,
great info for us Newbies considering UY. Agree with you I want my freedom not state healthcare.
I can see you are in the honeymoon phase of expatriation, would certainly appreciate your input in the next 6 to 12 months when you have had more time to settle in.
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ismael
10/10/2015 00:27 EST
@kimbo47: I'm just stating facts, that's the way it works...
Compulsory vaccination exists because people is negligent regarding health.
Let's suppose you have some _reason_ against some vaccine, you can always get an exemption (e.g. if you're allergic to the vaccine), for whatever it is required, and that's it.
If it is a major health issue for the population as a whole, then it can be fought at higher levels.
In the end, nobody is going to force you to take the vaccine, you always have to go on your own accord. It can be annoying at times, but the system is otherwise harmless, and you can actually avoid the vaccine, it is just designed to be inconvenient to do so.
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ismael
10/10/2015 01:15 EST
@Allwewantispeace: First, healthcare may be cheap, but is not free (unless you have a very low income), and second, you either accept the whole package or none of it (which doesn't mean to be forced to anything, it's just choices).
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kimbo47
10/10/2015 15:36 EST
Ismael, I have no idea of what is your point and specifically concentration on tetanus? Its not like is a world epidemic. Its just a disease like rabies which has existed for many years and people use when they esteem its required in their personal case.
That is all I'm going to say about tetanus but I will re-enforce that I do not want any state to tell me when I must have any vaccine whether I'm allergic or not.
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ismael
10/15/2015 01:19 EST
@kimbo47: Well, that was the vaccine initially mentioned.
In a rational world people would get all the vaccinations that make sense and there would be no need for control, but practical reality makes this unviable. There's plenty of reasons for countries to implement such vaccination policies, be it to prevent outbreaks, eradication, or simply to prevent high-mortality diseases.
Most (if not all) countries require vaccinations for immigration purposes, and rarely make exceptions for that purpose (besides allergies or, depending on the vaccine, compromised immune system). Do you know any country that doesn't have such requirements?
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kimbo47
10/15/2015 13:27 EST
Ismael, why are you not defending the rabies, shingles, tuberculosis, flu, pneumonia, polio, hepatitis etc vaccines?
Is Tetanus a personal thing with you? Some of these are more common and just as dangerous but are easily caught than Tetanus.
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kimbo47
10/15/2015 14:17 EST
Good post. I wonder which one UY would pick if they decided to make it mandatory to get residency?
Maybe we should make this a new thread since it has deviated from original post into health and medical issues.
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kimbo47
10/15/2015 14:51 EST
Ismael-
I think you don't understand Tetanus. Its not an infectious outbreak but something you acquire by a wound from something rusty, a wound while dealing with earth dirt etc.
In any case what makes you think the state knows what is best for me? I don't need the state to control or dictate what I should do or not do in any part of my life. If you feel this need maybe you should consider Cuba, they have very good medical service and the state directs every aspect of your life.
From what I have read in this forum I see that avoiding to be told what to do by the state is the reason many expats are there.
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crazyfarmer
10/15/2015 16:07 EST
Why do German government officials get different vaccines? Wouldn't it be easier just to order one batch of vaccines for everyone? Why are they different? Is it because they know something?
I posted that link to show that there are doctors and other qualified professionals (since that's the attack angle usually used) who are saying that people are right to question the safety of vaccines. And apparently, by their actions if not their words, the German elite are questioning the safety of those vaccines also.
Also, you're right. Other countries do have mandatory vaccination programs. Does that make it right? Is it ok to have a mandatory vaccination program for the people, but then provide different vaccines for the elite of that country?
The ingredients that are likely causing problems, the ones we want to avoid, are the same ingredients that aren't in the vaccines that the German elite get. How convenient.
I'm a big fan of freedom and informed consent. Apparently so are the German elite.
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Euni21
10/15/2015 16:45 EST
I hear you Max....because when we live in Peace....we project Peace...how Peace is so missing all over this world. Wishing you all the best in settling into the life ..Uruguay! I am presently living part time in Ecuador...but thinking about seeing Uruguay....for a longer time...I did spend a litte time inMontevideo... I am Canadian...but tried to re-live it..very difficult..so, back in Ecuador..but open to moving!
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Euni21
10/15/2015 17:51 EST
So, so true.......Many of us fleeing the tyranny that has been forced upon us....We are all...Free....no one owns us...no one! Plus, we are the only species, that pays to live on this planet!
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kimbo47
10/15/2015 19:28 EST
Euni21,
from info you can read in this forum you will be paying much more to live in the UY planet than in the Ecuador planet. Just my 2 cents from what I have learned in this forum. I also lived for a time in Ecuador.
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Euni
10/15/2015 20:57 EST
I think that if a person lives more North...less expensive....not looking for a huge many gringos to be around...like my space and enjoy life with the locals...I am a photographer...so looking for a base...not looking for totally modern environment...I am happy with something small..clean...in a safe area...thanks for the info.
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ismael
10/15/2015 22:01 EST
@crazyfarmer: Suspicious indeed, but a different issue...
I am pro questioning everything, not just vaccines, but as far as it goes, mere opinion or dogmas do not serve as justification for opposition, and will be invariably disregarded.
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kimbo47
10/16/2015 02:13 EST
No matter what you do is still much more expensive than Ecuador in the basics like rent, food and properties.
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crazyfarmer
10/17/2015 20:57 EST
Ismael, why do you question anything at all? Is it because you don't blindly trust what everyone tells you?
But not vaccines. You blindly trust the system not to lie to you about vaccines? There's a massive profit motive to lie to you about vaccine safety. But you just ignore that and assume they're safe?
I would love to have a world where we could hand out safe and effective vaccines to everyone to eradicate disease. What we're saying is that vaccines are frequently neither safe nor effective in spite of what the vaccine producers and their purchased politicians say. And many aren't even necessary. I've reached this conclusion based on fact, research from qualified professionals, and personal experience.
Now if you want to talk about what the rumors (many likely true) say about vaccines, that's many times scarier.
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letsmove
10/18/2015 05:23 EST
Why are the pharmaceutics protected from lawsuits? Where is the incentive to make sure their vaccines are safe?
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crazyfarmer
10/18/2015 22:18 EST
What's scarier is that they're starting to call things vaccines that aren't vaccines at all. Why? Protection from litigation.
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kimbo47
10/18/2015 23:28 EST
Scarier yet is that as you get older you are prone to suffer from immunosenescence (the age related reduction in immune system vigilance).
A major consequence of age related immunosenescence is decreased VACCINE EFFECTIVENESS. Vaccinations require a robust and well organized immune response in order to establish immunity but the aging immune system often fall short leaving older individuals vulnerable to infections. This is such an important issue that new vaccines specifically for the elderly are being developed in hope of overcoming the barrier of immunosenescence.
So if you are elderly be careful with vaccines.
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Euni
10/19/2015 09:04 EST
You are so right....in this day and age..the Agenda in place..is to cull the population by various ways.. We are being subjected to daily poisoning..in food, in the air, in medications and in vaccines..I own by body...not government...and I will continue to exercise my right, to put into my body, what I deem is right for me. People have to stand, in conscience and defend their rights and the rights of others.
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futureexpat1
10/24/2015 09:36 EST
It is my understanding that without proof of a tetanus shot, no Uruguayan doctor will perform surgery on you.
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Morell
10/24/2015 12:29 EST
This was the case with two people I know who had surgery recently.
You are also expected to give blood or if you are over 65 find someone else to donate on your behalf before the date of surgery.
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kimbo47
10/25/2015 14:57 EST
I guess that settles the issue. You will need the Vaccine whether you want it or not if you reside in UY because in case of an emergency no Dr would touch you if you needed surgery. What would they do if you had an accident and didn't have a vaccine? Would you be sent to Argentina? I guess there is more than one way to force the vaccination on people...Incredible standard.
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ismael
10/25/2015 18:52 EST
@crazyfarmer: First, I feel confident whenever a vaccine has been tested a few decades without incident, the Uruguayan Ministry of Public Health did their homework, and the vaccines don't change everyday... In any case, what's needed is more peer review and supervision.
Second, the government and it's entities are composed by Uruguayan citizens, and most Uruguayans are eager to participate in politics, so in most cases decisions are fairly representative of the population interests and thoughts. Does something make you think otherwise?
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kimbo47
10/25/2015 23:04 EST
@ismael. I get confused with your postings.
> First, I feel confident whenever a vaccine has been tested a few decades without incident, the Uruguayan Ministry of Public Health did their homework <
I don't think anyone can say for sure if the UY ministry did their homework or if so how thorough it was. In any case for those of us that don't believe on vaccines we don't care!
THE POINT IS that we have the God given right to decide what goes into our body no matter what anybody says or how much homework they do. You have the right to have it administered same as we have the right to say NO! Isn't that beautiful.? Its called FREEDOM!
> Uruguayans are eager to participate in politics, so in most cases decisions are fairly representative of the population interests and thoughts.<
Yeah right just like the politicians in the US..
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crazyfarmer
10/26/2015 00:12 EST
Ismael, I think that Uruguay is just as susceptible (if not moreso) to the same problems we have in the US. Here's a quick list of those problems:
Politicians accepting bribes to pass legislation that corporations want.
Politicians being influenced by international treaties, globalists, and crazy "secret" ideologies.
Politicians being blackmailed into passing legislation.
Politicians being inducted into the "blackmail club", in order to increase their power or wealth.
Politicians not knowing anything about science or medicine leading to naive decision making.
Politicians having their families threatened if they don't play along.
Politicians making decisions based on what sounds good to voters rather than what actually is good.
Large corporations ignoring laws and doing whatever they want.
Big pharma lying... for example, "No, we haven't changed the recipe for this vaccine since the uruguayan government tested and approved it."
It's not that I don't trust uruguayans with this kind of thing. It's that I don't trust big pharma. And if they can lie, cheat, steal, and kill in the US, where laws are rigorously enforced, then they can do it here also.
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ismael
10/26/2015 02:19 EST
@crazyfarmer: All medications are regularly sampled and tested post-commercialization, reports are made public regularly, and you can ask further information about the observations they made. It could be more transparent perhaps, but there is a system in place at least.
The problems you point out shouldn't be real problems, being vigilant is enough.
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letsmove
10/26/2015 06:37 EST
Ismael, it depends upon who does the testing and reporting. The manufacturer of these 'vaccines' do their own testing. Of course, they will find their products safe and good. Besides if they are not, they cannot be sued for damages.
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Morell
10/26/2015 09:50 EST
I think the point is that as a guest in another country you get to accept the rules they impose regardless of whether you agree with them or not.
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crazyfarmer
10/26/2015 14:33 EST
Ismael,
>All medications are regularly
>sampled and tested post-
>commercialization, reports are made
>public regularly, and you can ask
>further information about the
>observations they made
If Searle could compromise the testing that was done on aspartame and get it approved by the FDA in the US, then it could happen anywhere. Oh, and aspartame is totally fine and ok in Uruguay, even thought it's responsible for all kinds of health problems. It causes an insulin response in many humans actually leading to obesity in spite of being a "diet" alternative. It's made up of three molecules stuck together: methyl alcohol, formic acid, and formaldehyde. Interestingly, the symptoms from exposure to aspartame are the same as the symptoms of exposure to the constituent chemicals. Uruguay either didn't do an independent study and rubber-stamped the "study" from the US, or the people involved here faked the studies in the same way.
>The problems you point out
>shouldn't be real problems, being
>vigilant is enough.
But they are problems. Politicians in Uruguay are humans also, and are just as susceptible to the same failings as politicians in the US.
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kimbo47
10/26/2015 16:07 EST
@Ismael.
Ismael you are too nice and trust everyone. Listen to Crazy he really knows what he's talking about.
You have no idea of who big Pharma is and what they are capable of doing to make an extra buck. They have the money and control basically all of the medical field in the US.That is a topic for a book and with actual facts.
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futureexpat1
10/27/2015 04:38 EST
Maybe someone should change the name of this thread to rants about Big Pharma.
Has nothing to do now with the O.P. which dealt with necessary items to do before moving to Uruguay.
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