Altalunastudio
8/2/2016 21:15 EST
Does anyone know if off grid living is prohibited or popular in Uruguay? Composting, etc.?
Also, are their areas of the country to avoid?
Also internet access: we have remote jobs online that we can do from home, so are thinking that we'd like to keep them; however, we would need constant access to the web...
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proger1989
8/2/2016 21:45 EST
hey, most of the time close to cities, or small towns you will have the 3g internet, going further into the rural areas with no towns around you will have the H+ internet which is almost nothing, and in some places no internet at all. saying that its only refer to my mobile smartphone internet connectivity, i dont know what will be the difference from that to an normal cable router internet.
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EdNewYorkCity
8/3/2016 01:30 EST
"is off grid living prohibited or popular"
To a certain degree is allowed. You don't have to be connected to the state electricity or water supply. You can build any kind of house but you need approval, which is always granted. You can grow your own vegetables and fruits and raise animals. You have to pay property taxes, school taxes, etc. If you have kids you have to send them to school or you can school them yourself but you need approval. I don't know if you can call that "Off the grid" but is the closest you can get here.
According to this article Uruguay has the fastest Internet in the Americas.
http://www.elpais.com.uy/vida-actual/uruguay-pais-mejor-velocidad-internet-america.html
These are the providers (of course you'll have to use Google translator)
http://www.uruguay.enlineados.com/resultados.php?estado=1&pais=uruguay&c1=internet&c2=proveedores_de_internet
One way or another you'll get Internet. In Montevideo and many cities around it you can get fiber optic (the best), on rural places you can get a dongle that connects wirelessly to a tower nearby. Every school in the country has free wifi and most city squares and parks also have free wifi.
You'll have to find out how far are you from an internet tower before choosing a place since Internet access is so important to you.
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carlitos
8/3/2016 06:57 EST
if internet is crucial you need to avoid el campo for the time being, may be in the future they extend their fiber optic to the campo. Other than that you can do whatever pleases you in your property including digging wells and composting
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Morell
8/3/2016 08:11 EST
There are limits on home schooling according to an escribano I met. Usually for immigration your child has to attend a regular school - Immigration feel it is necessary for integration into Uruguayan society. She told me they will allow home schooling for specific cases such as a disability but the schooling MUST be in Spanish. She had been working with a family who wanted to home school but it was denied as the parents were English speakers only.
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gbowwii
8/3/2016 08:13 EST
If you are* 10 kilometers from a town then your internet is probably not going to be wired and instead via modem. Download can be relatively "slow" (like a range of 1-5Mbs) but may be workable depending on what you're doing. Upload is much slower ranging from .2-1Mbs.
In a beach town in summer the data flow from a cell modem can slow to nothing frequently. Because of all the visitors and their smart phones. But that did not happened to us in the campo last summer.
*I don't know the cell coverage even further away, perhaps its even worse or non-existent.
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Freddikins
8/3/2016 09:20 EST
In answer to needing online access reliably, I had looked into that at one time, and it was suggested that I run an underground cable as it would provide the greatest reliability. When I asked the service company here, I would have had to pay to have the line put in. The downside is if the pipe that the cable runs through breaks, and your cable breaks or deteriorates, there is no way to determine where the break is, and the entire cable has to be dug up, again at your cost. Having said that, it might still be the way to go. I spoke with a potential employer in the US, they have had connection issues in the past, and require that everyone that works remotely, runs their computer service through an underground cable. In my case, there would have been no option. Unground cable, or nothing.
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EdNewYorkCity
8/3/2016 14:08 EST
I never heard of running a cable underground on your own to get better internet. I'd imagine that you would use a service that consist of running the cable underground (cable or fiber optic). Wouldn't be much easier to live in a place where "cable or fiber optic" internet is available? As far as I know most of Montevideo is already fiber optic and most of the east coast and many cities in the interior too.
Here is a map of Fiber Optic Internet availability in Uruguay. Green means Fiber Optic available
http://www.antel.com.uy/antel/personas-y-hogares/internet/fibra-optica/zonas-de-instalacion/zonas-de-instalacion-de-fibra-optica-uruguay
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proger1989
8/3/2016 20:43 EST
here in ciu9dad de la costa we have the fiber optic, but it does not mean you will get a fast internet. yes, the fiber optic is a good infrastructure but if the internet providers (antel) cant provide a fast internet connection (25 mgps and more...) so that fiber optic infrastructure is useless, which mean that there will be no difference from the old ADSL connection which give around 5 mbps here in Uruguay if you lucky...
here, although we have the fiber optic the internet is ridiculously slow(no more than 2 mbps) and unstable, this because the providers use old technology to pass data and suffers from overloads most of the time...
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EdNewYorkCity
8/4/2016 07:24 EST
Different standards and expectations. I have DSL on a fiber optic network in New York City, and my download speed is 1.2 mbps. Verizon Fios offers speeds of up to 100 mbps, so I guess I could say that my internet is very slow. Now the truth is that in reality my internet is as fast as I need it to be, I can stream movies, live sports, live news from anywhere in the world, etc. There's absolutely nothing that I'm unable to do due to my actual speed. My point is that I'm totally surprise when I hear that 2 mbps is very slow internet.
According to this little article Uruguay has the fastest Internet speed in Latin America with 21.06 mbps (the US has 20.57)
http://www.montevideo.com.uy/auc.aspx?223004
Go figure.
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Wanderlustspirit
8/4/2016 08:07 EST
We have fiber optic here outside of Pubta del Este. At any given time, my daughter is streaming a movie, while my son is playing video games with friends in the U.S. While both my husband & I are on our IPads, with most likely one of us streaming a video as well. No problem, with a few exceptions, with our internet's capacity to handle all these demands simultaneously. We upgraded the service a level above the basic fiber optic speed but truly amazed to have such good Internet here. We have fewer Internet issues here than when we lived in the suburbs of Charlotte, NC.
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carlitos
8/4/2016 08:09 EST
I work from home as a web developer, I make conferences, screen share and all this stuff, We usually have 3 computers connected + phones and it is good in terms of speed and reliability. I guess it could be better but it is not bad. In my previous job I had to use 3g and it really sucks, It is good only for contingencies.
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crazyfarmer
8/10/2016 00:21 EST
Off-grid is ok.
Do you really have to ask about composting? Is it not allowed somewhere in the US now or something? Yes you can make your own compost here. Although I would look into the Mittleider method and do that.
I work remotely for companies in the US and need reliable internet. I live in the campo, but relatively close to Montevideo, about 45 minutes away. I can get 4G wireless internet over a USB modem. I get about 12 to 15 megabit this way with 3 bars if I put the modem in just the right spot. I live in a terrible location, too far from the two nearest antel towers. Just unlucky. If I were a mile in either direction, I would get about 30 megabit.
With this same modem, and with my antel smart phone, I was able to get 60 megabit from a friend's house in Rivera. We had line of site to the tower though, about a mile away. In the valleys in Rivera, internet reception becomes unacceptable.
I get 3G at my house great. But it's too slow.
I get 4G over movistar from my house. 5 bars, but the tower is 1/2 a kilometer away. I only get about 2 megabit from that one though. And it's oversold so it's crap on friday and saturday night. There's also a download cap on that one. I use movistar only as a backup in case antel is down.
I can't get fiber where I am even though four or five different people at antel told me it was *real soon now*. This was about three years ago.
I'd say that the 4G coverage in the Canelones departemento is pretty good. But don't believe anything any of the companies tell you about performance or coverage. When you get to the point where you're considering specific properties, bring a friend who has an antel smartphone and have them run the speed test app. Or have them use their usb modem on a laptop running speedtest.net. It's the only way to be sure.
Do not, for any reason, sign up with Dedicado. They have a business service that's I think 2 megabit for US$400 a month. It's line of site microwave. I was able to see a tower 10km away. It's reliable and not oversold. But Dedicado are crooks.
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