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This Whole Monthly Income Requirement Thingy

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BradleyLA
  11/27/2016 03:13 EST

So I've done enough homework to know that regarding residency, that UY is not interested in how much a person has in the bank. They are only interested in monthly income. This creates a dilemma for me because I am a writer. I make enough in a year to live well, but my money does not come in monthly, It comes in when it comes in. Is there a way to work around this rule?

Morell
  11/27/2016 06:50 EST

Immigration here is not very flexible. I was told several times by different people that you don't actually have to satisfy them but an escribano/a who verifies your income and writes a letter that he/she is satisfied that your income is sufficient to support you and any dependents.
Immigration then accepts it or not.
I knew a Canadian who could not get his income accepted as it was rental income on an investment property in Canada which still had a mortgage. Immigration said he did not own the building, the Bank did. Eventually he was able to find a contact in the system and after almost five years got his permanent cedula.

I would find an escribano who is very familiar with Immigration requirements and show them several years of tax returns, bank statements etc. and see what they say.

Do not forget that the person you hand things to in Immigration is not the person who vets the information and makes a decision. Keep checking how things are going or your file can sit gathering dust due to some query or error that you probably won't be told about until you ask.

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focus
  11/27/2016 11:37 EST

Bring it in $1,500/mo at a time.

sylk
  11/27/2016 11:47 EST

the right escribana made all the difference for us. we did everything else on our own, but kept being questioned about the source of our income even though it was well over the amount required, in the bank in Uruguay and we had paid in full for a home here. We couldn't figure it out until we found the right escribana. She is in the Maldonado / Punta del Este area and highly recommended (if you end up here).

proger1989
  11/27/2016 18:37 EST

sorry for the off topic, but im curious to know what the immigration will do in my case: i have chacra but i will not have the income thing going(no more than 500$ per month).
right now my cedula is valid till 2019, what will happen? will they kick me out or fined me because im not able to get the "income thingy"? what the resident is giving me that the cedula wont?

BradleyLA
  11/27/2016 23:40 EST

So it sounds possible. Just some extra hoops that need to be jumped through. Thank you all!

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EdNewYorkCity
  11/28/2016 03:01 EST

proger1989
I've never heard of anybody getting kicked out of Uruguay for an immigration issue.
You can even be illegal forever and nobody will bother you.
You'll pay a penalty every time you go out of the country but that's as far as it goes.
Not an ideal situation if you want to work and get benefits from it, other than that I don't know what else you miss by not being legal.

focus
  11/28/2016 08:21 EST

That's a good point you make Ed. I've often felt that residency is overrated unless someone is bringing personal belongings from another country (in which case as a resident, they don't pay duty). To remain 'legal' without permanent residency you have to leave the country every 6 months. Most newcomers do that anyway. So to me it seems an ideal opportunity to try out the country without potentially wasting a couple of thousand on consultants to obtain something that may never be utilized. Just my $.02.

sylk
  11/28/2016 09:59 EST

if you have a temporary cedula (really quite easy to get without paying any consultants - we did it on our own anyway) you don't have to leave every 6 months.
with a tourist stamp you can only stay? long - but if you're considering staying... there aren't a lot of costs to the temp cedula and if you DO stay, you're on your way to the application for a permanent one....unless things have changed since 2014....right?

proger1989
  11/28/2016 10:00 EST

Will I be able to renew my cedula time and time again?

And about going out from the country with temporary cédula it's possible but you you need coordinate the travel before with immigration

sylk
  11/28/2016 10:07 EST

i don't know HOW many times and under what conditions they'll renew a temporary cedula ours were renewed but only for a year under "extenuating" circumstances...we'll soon see. And our friends will soon see as well - but i know many peeps who waited many years for permanent status (>5) so they must renew temps.

Yes - you have to go to the Immigracion office and pay about $30 (USD) for a Reingresso each time you leave the country. They note how much you are here / gone.

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Morell
  11/28/2016 10:48 EST

When we applied, the temporary cedula was only for a year and we were told they would only renew it twice and then we would have to start from scratch with all new documents.

We were getting close to the deadline when our lawyer interceded and got the permanent ones speeded up.

Now they issue them for two years so presumably you can renew it at least once.

We were told that Uruguay expects you to provide the documentation necessary for residency and if you fail to this given the amount of time they allow you, then you obviously are not that serious about getting a permanent cedula.
I imagine there are other benefits for having a permanent cedula , the two I know of are
1) you can legally buy marijuana
2) you can buy Government investments in pesos which have a much higher interest rate than in US dollars.

I do know two people who were refused permanent cedulas for reasons that they did not disclose to me and both have left Uruguay.

proger1989
  11/28/2016 10:56 EST

Well that's is not so good for me as I already have a Chacra here.
It's kind of stupid for Uruguay to kick me out because they do make money on me.
Also, I already own a property here...

jaym
  11/29/2016 16:55 EST

From what I've read, the whole immigration "thingy" there is a big ripoff designed to keep people on a string for years while they spend all their money.

sylk
  11/29/2016 17:23 EST

interesting point of view, jaym.
life is sort of "a big ripoff designed to keep people alive for years while they spend all their money."
Guess it's just where, how, and who with you want to do that with.
and what you want to eat, breathe and drink while doing it...

well, and if said money is safe, your rights are secure, and you can do whatever the hell you want...i've more than made my wee point i suppose.

jaym
  11/30/2016 14:42 EST

good point about life :) don't pay attention to the peanut gallery. If you want to accomplish something, just do it.

EdNewYorkCity
  11/30/2016 23:13 EST

Jaym read somewhere " there is a big ripoff designed to keep people on a string for years while they spend all their money."

Makes you think, should I frame those words or should I trash'em ?

If you're gonna spend ALL YOUR MONEY while on the immigration STRING, then you should never attempt to move out of your home country. You probably don't even qualify to move out of your neighborhood.

I think it's the latter.

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